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Back of knee pain. Please help...
« on: August 27, 2004, 02:22:41 PM »
I am new to this website so I greet all of you.
I am posting this here since I am not sure where to post it. I will try to give a description of my problem and I am grateful to any comments, advises, similar experiences or anything you think could help in some way.

I have started a martial art, Aikido, three years ago (I am almost 30 years old). In December I had to stop because both my knees felt painful. The pain had started long before, maybe even a year earlier but was tolerable. In December I could not sit on my knees (seiza) and generally could not sit at all with my knees bent at any angle (not even in bed).
The pain is felt in the back of both my knees. I have two kinds of pains both at the back of the knee.
The one is felt in the outside (meaning left for the left knee) of the knee, especially when I bent it.
I also fell sore in the inside of the knee (right side for the left knee) but mostly feel it when I relax my legs.

I cannot even sit in a chair with my knees bent. Sometimes I also feel a little annoyance even when I stand or lay in bed with my legs straight. Now, after 8 months I feel better (the pain is very small when I try sitting on my knees) but still the improvement is disappointingly slow.

For the first 2-3 months (after I stopped in December) I tried resting my knees, no walking a lot, no standing a lot. After that I tried swimming. During this period I have only seen very slow improvement.
I have been to many orthopaedics as well as physiotherapist but nobody has given me a diagnosis. I had an MRI on my left knee which indicated that I have a small Baker&acute;s cyst and a small degeneration in the meniscus. Doctors say that the pain cannot be generated by the findings of the MRI however they do not know what it is exactly. I had some PT sessions (ultrasound, deep massage, stretching) but did not see much of improvement.
I am getting kind of desperate because not only I cannot practice any more but I do not know what I should avoid in order not to deteriorate my problem.

I want to thank all of you that had the patience to read my large story.

Friendly regards,

Petsinis Kostas
Kostas Petsinis

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Re: Back of knee pain. Please help...
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2004, 02:37:13 PM »
Ummm , well if the Surgeons and Physio guys don't know what it is I am not sure that I can be of much help.  Though, I hate to see people struggle so I will try.

First I have a few questions, is the pain in the back like close to the skin or deep in the knee joint but at the back?  

I could be that you have Chondromalacia, a softening of the cartilage on the underside of the patella, this can cause pain which seems to be in the back of the knee.

The fact that it goes away with rest suggests it's some sort of movement related, maybe over use injury.  NOw that you have seen improvement have you tried slowly adding back some physical activity?  That might be your next step... and see if it causes it to flare up again.   I would suggest that you don't sit on your knees.. EVER! It's really not good for them, though I suppose if it's part of your Martial Arts it's hard to avoid.

You might try seeking out opinions of other specialists , like an osteopath or a chiropractor. I started going to a chiropractor last fall and though he did not solve all of my problems.. he did help with the pain treating adhesions I had in my quadricep muscles and fitting me for orthotics in my shoes, which helped bring things into alignment.  Might be worth a try.
I'm sorry I can't suggest more... I wish you luck in your search for answers, I know it was along time before they finally figured out what was wrong with me... but it was worth the struggle in the end.

Take care and goodluck

Linds
1997 Scope RK
2002 LR RK
2002 Scope and hematoma evac RK
2004 LR LK
May 06 Fall from Horse, partial ACL tear and meniscus injury, Tibial plateau injury
2007 Scope, Plica Excision and Debride LK
2009/2010- Possibly Ankylosing Spondylitis?

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Re: Back of knee pain. Please help...
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2004, 03:10:38 PM »
Linds thanks a lot for your reply. Really appreciate it.

I will try to give some answers to your questions.
The pain is not felt superficially but deep in the joint. The only pain I can really detect in my knee is when deeply massaged which should be the Baker&acute;s cyst.
I think I agree that the pain comes from overuse since I have never injured my knees and the pain came slowly (and goes even more slowly). Also the fact that I feel the pain in both my knees supports that it is not an injury, but overuse.
At the beggining I thought that the only cause of pain was sitting on my knees, and that is why I had not looked at my problem earlier (than after a year of feeling the pain). Now I do not know shat to say.
Maybe it is usefull to give a background of what we do in Aikido. Well there are no kicks, but there is a lot of moving and turning around one&acute;s axis. Also there are a lot of falls (somersaults forward and backward, break falls), and the posture must always be low (benting the knees) for better balance. Finally, there are some techniques that are performed by moving while sitting on one&acute;s knees. However, I am very light (approximately 60 kg), which should be positive and I never had a bad fall.

Well that&acute;s my story. Thanks again
Kostas Petsinis

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Re: Back of knee pain. Please help...
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2004, 03:25:44 PM »
WEll I think you should read up on Chondromalacia and see if the symptoms fit what you are experiencing.  Also look up Anterior Knee Pain Syndrome.
Are you going to have the Baker Cyst Removed? My Dad had one and he had it removed and recovered quite quikly. Did the Surgeons suggest why the cyst is there, because I know my Dads was caused by a tear in the meniscus.  Just a thought...
Hope this has helped...
Goodluck
Linds
OH yeah and welcome to Kneegeeks. ;D
1997 Scope RK
2002 LR RK
2002 Scope and hematoma evac RK
2004 LR LK
May 06 Fall from Horse, partial ACL tear and meniscus injury, Tibial plateau injury
2007 Scope, Plica Excision and Debride LK
2009/2010- Possibly Ankylosing Spondylitis?















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