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Offline nkaufman

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Dr. Nathan Wei - For stem cell, Against all other treatments
« on: September 06, 2016, 02:52:20 PM »
Hello,

Any thoughts on Dr. Wei's youtube video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwKAs0v3zGI


Thanks,

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Re: Dr. Nathan Wei - For stem cell, Against all other treatments
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2016, 04:40:25 AM »
His YouTube video is not saying anything. He explains the meaning of a few acronyms used to describe current procedures. The website you are led to from his videos is a lead generation website that funnels the user into filling out a form to solicit them for a consultation.

I am a big supporter of cellular medicine, but am against selling it as a panacea. Orthopedic surgery still has its place. You will find that many of the best surgeons are already integrating cellular therapies as a treatment modality along with more traditional orthopedic surgery. The best such example is Dr. Khay Yong Saw.



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Re: Dr. Nathan Wei - For stem cell, Against all other treatments
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2016, 12:09:13 AM »
Based on what I understand, he is stating that current surgical methods have not been shown to be effective in Cartilage Generation - and like you also stated - he mentions a whole bunch of procedures.

He insists that Stem Cell is the way to go and has all the science behind it.


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Re: Dr. Nathan Wei - For stem cell, Against all other treatments
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2016, 06:58:10 PM »
As of today, there is little, if any real double blind placebo studies showing stem cell injections being effective for anything in terms of cartilage regeneration. There is anecdotal evidence supporting claims that injections of stem cells into arthritic joints reduce inflammations and discomfort. With that being said, while there may not be scientific proof yet that these treatments work, they seem to have very good outcome with patients seeking such treatments. I have had several myself for joint issues and tendon issues and feel they have been successful. There is no real standard yet for preparation, or for treating specific ailments.

There are doctors like Dr. Saw which are showing a lot of evidence in the way of photos, biopsies, and microscope staining proving type II collagen regeneration with his procedures. Additionally, there are several FDA approved devices such as Cartiform, Denovo, etc that utilize the cellular medicine to achieve desired results, although neither are perfect.

It is my opinion that the science will rapidly improve, however, we will likely not see anything that surpasses the method Dr. Saw is using. It seems to have the best outcome. It's major drawback is recovery time and cost. The upcoming treatments will revolve around the investing company developing a the product that they can patent in addition to a product that has quicker recovery times and patient costs.

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Re: Dr. Nathan Wei - For stem cell, Against all other treatments
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2017, 01:26:22 PM »
I reached out to them to learn about their offerings and here are some highlights:

he will use stem cells derived from your own bone marrow. He will also use platelet rich plasma (PRP) that we get from drawing blood from your arm. The platelet rich plasma helps to promote healing and stimulates the stem cells. Dr. Wei will also use a small amount of your own fat cells. The fat cells also contain stem cells, but they are also more viscous and sticky. It is the fat cells along with then a combination of a mixture of a substance called thrombin and calcium chloride that create the scaffold. The thrombin with calcium chloride is injected last into the knee and causes the stem cells and PRP to thicken, creating kind of a gel or paste.

  • BMAC and PRP combined with a small amount of fat cells
  • They referenced the fat cells containing stem cells but also being viscous and sticky
  • They said it is the fat cells along with a combination mixture of thrombin and calcium chloride to create a scaffold
  • The thrombin with calcium chloride is injected last into the knee and causes the stem cells and PRP to thicken, creating kind of a gel or paste
  • There is a period of recovery where there should be no weight bearing at all for at least one week, followed by a second week of a gradual increase in weight bearing and activity

Thoughts? Do you think this scaffold could work? Pretty interesting. Though it is priced at just under 10K for one knee!

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Re: Dr. Nathan Wei - For stem cell, Against all other treatments
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2017, 01:58:09 PM »
What's the evidence for it from proper controlled trials? That's very important even if if does sound interesting. What are the clinical indications studied in those trials? How many patients? What results? What benefits does this method offer over others?
Those are the questions you should also ask
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Re: Dr. Nathan Wei - For stem cell, Against all other treatments
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2017, 06:40:18 PM »
Cory W.... I contacted Dr. Wei office too. Heís performing microfracture surgery in office (using a needling technic).  So, you don't know if the stem cells or the microfracture are filling in the defect. Most likely itís the microfracture. He's only getting a stem cell count of around a million, which is low.















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