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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2016, 03:15:20 AM »
An osteochondral lesion and osteochondral defect are the same thing?

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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2016, 07:33:39 AM »
Yes, means damage to the articular cartilage. Osteo = bone, chondral = cartilage
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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #62 on: October 24, 2016, 08:32:12 AM »
Thanks Vickster.
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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #63 on: October 24, 2016, 09:42:12 AM »
I had some more questions, but I got them answered after reading further - thanks again.
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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #64 on: October 24, 2016, 11:40:24 AM »
I've read a lot of positive things about Jello - gelatin - and bone broths, with regards to knee and other joint injuries/cartilage damage and OA and also GI tract and sleep issues. Any thoughts on this?

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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2016, 11:52:31 AM »
Never heard of it

Fish oil, glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM can have some benefits, but not really proven

Supplements aren't really my thing. Hyaluronic acid injections help my arthritic knee, but wouldn't be needed in your case. Better off with physio exercise and strengthening, and generally taking it slowly and allowing to heal
Came off bike onto concrete 9/9/09 (lat meniscus, lat condyle defect)
LK scopes 8/2/10 & 16/12/10
RK scope 5/2/15 (menisectomy, Hoffa’s fat pad trim)
LK scope 10.1.19 medial meniscectomy, trochlea MFX
LK scope 19.4.21 MFX to both condyles & trochlea, patella cartilage shaved, viscoseal, depo-medrone

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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2016, 12:06:02 PM »
Yeah I'm not into supplements either - in terms of expensive concentrated fractions of some nutrient in pill form. I'd rather get it naturally in its full state - food  - and much cheaper too.

According to the articles, Gelatin is high in glycine and I guess other things which are supposed to be beneficial. Seems like part of the benefit/pain relief may be due to an anti-inflammatory effect and some say it helps rebuilds better quality cartilage etc. Don't know if that is true/proven - I imagine it is not proven. Jello is one source and that is like one of the cheapest things there is. Bone broths would probably be best but that takes a little work.

Here is one article from Prevention magazine:

http://www.prevention.com/food/gelatin-superfood

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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2016, 12:26:28 PM »
If you think it'll help, try it. Can't see it hurting.

I don't mind a bit of gelatine in Haribo but don't want to go out of my way to eat boiled bones

This weeks superfood is next weeks carcinogen
Came off bike onto concrete 9/9/09 (lat meniscus, lat condyle defect)
LK scopes 8/2/10 & 16/12/10
RK scope 5/2/15 (menisectomy, Hoffa’s fat pad trim)
LK scope 10.1.19 medial meniscectomy, trochlea MFX
LK scope 19.4.21 MFX to both condyles & trochlea, patella cartilage shaved, viscoseal, depo-medrone

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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2016, 12:29:37 PM »
Lol, true.

Maybe I'll give the jello a try - a good excuse for whipped cream anyway.


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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2016, 12:58:43 PM »
Eww sweet cream. Bear the calories in mind
Came off bike onto concrete 9/9/09 (lat meniscus, lat condyle defect)
LK scopes 8/2/10 & 16/12/10
RK scope 5/2/15 (menisectomy, Hoffa’s fat pad trim)
LK scope 10.1.19 medial meniscectomy, trochlea MFX
LK scope 19.4.21 MFX to both condyles & trochlea, patella cartilage shaved, viscoseal, depo-medrone

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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #70 on: October 24, 2016, 09:09:09 PM »
I hear you. I've lost about 20lbs since the injury through deliberately eating less to lose weight. I have another 20 to go to be at my right weight. I figure that should help the joint/s a little.

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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #71 on: October 24, 2016, 10:18:35 PM »
Depends how widespread the loss is and grade of the damage. Sounds more severe than a 4mm osteochondral defect. How old are they?

The order in the report generally does not follow seriousness I think if there are several things going on. More likely to follow the series of the images where the issues are seen? Or the order of the specific things the surgeon asked the radiologist to look at

I found my MRI report from 3 years ago, we shall see if things have progressed further or if the HA jab has slowed things
Came off bike onto concrete 9/9/09 (lat meniscus, lat condyle defect)
LK scopes 8/2/10 & 16/12/10
RK scope 5/2/15 (menisectomy, Hoffa’s fat pad trim)
LK scope 10.1.19 medial meniscectomy, trochlea MFX
LK scope 19.4.21 MFX to both condyles & trochlea, patella cartilage shaved, viscoseal, depo-medrone

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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #72 on: October 24, 2016, 10:36:00 PM »
Ok gotcha. Person is early 40's.
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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #73 on: October 25, 2016, 06:57:41 AM »
Previous ligament or meniscus injuries and surgery?
Came off bike onto concrete 9/9/09 (lat meniscus, lat condyle defect)
LK scopes 8/2/10 & 16/12/10
RK scope 5/2/15 (menisectomy, Hoffa’s fat pad trim)
LK scope 10.1.19 medial meniscectomy, trochlea MFX
LK scope 19.4.21 MFX to both condyles & trochlea, patella cartilage shaved, viscoseal, depo-medrone

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Re: Hurt my knee - Bone Bruise
« Reply #74 on: October 25, 2016, 07:32:17 AM »
As far as i know has no previous history of serious knee injury or surgery though currently has meniscus/acl tear after a recent injury event.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2016, 08:51:25 AM by tensters »