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Offline chuck172

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synvisc one this morning
« on: September 22, 2010, 06:14:42 PM »
I'm a veteran of many 3-shot synvisc episodes. I just got my first synvisc one shot in both knees. I must say they were extremely painful. I told the Dr. never again. I'll go back to the three shot.
The Dr. had a hard time pushing all the synvisc into the joint. I thought I was going to hit the ceiling. It's now about 4 hours latter and I'm really suffering. I can't bend the right knee without a whole lotta of pain. I'm icing off and on, but I'm getting a bit worried. Is this reaction common? I've never had a problem with the 3 weekly shots.

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 07:15:41 PM »
oh no i am having the shot next week this does not sound good  ??? yikes
2006 right knee surgery, meniscus
2008 left knee lateral release,  meniscus
2009 microfracture left knee, lateral meniscus,  fragment
2009 cartilage transplant oats
2010 loose fragment removal, meniscus fraying,found another defect
2010 oats failed, synvesic injections ,2011 right knee meniscus

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 07:30:12 PM »
I had terrible pain, but didn't get better of them either.
So you aren't the only one. Relax and ice the knees.
If you get a temperature contact your doc, that could be a sign of infection.
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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 08:14:18 PM »
tenisfan, please beware- It hurts like hell. At least with me it did. I'd opt for the 3shots.

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 08:36:36 PM »
I got three.

Each were painful, but I do pain well.
 First time, knee got worse, second time, knee got worse. Doc says 3rd time a charm. Foolish me! Third time knee got worse.  It was several months before the knee got better--well as better as it gets.
Tossed that money down the drain.

Found a new Doc.

That's my story. Others have had better outcomes.

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2010, 10:19:23 PM »
I have not had Synvisc but I had Euflexxa - the 3 shots given in one dose as my OS prefers it so its like a big one off shot. No problem for me, although I had some local into the knee first as I am a girl.  :P No pain afterwards, no swelling, nothing. I decided against Synvisc as it has rooster derivatives in it and I don't react well to eggs sometimes. I think sometimes it depends on the amount of functional joint space you have left - if you have severe joint narrowing and a big one off shot then the knee might react. I had no problems with the whole dosage going in, so perhaps if there was trouble with it going in the knee is a bit more upset?

As said, if you get temperature, redness or heat in the joint check it isn't infected.

Hope things improve

Lottie
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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2010, 10:28:54 PM »
I believe you are 100% correct Lottie. It is the joint space or lack of that increases the pressure and the pain of the shot. I have no redness or temperature (yet) but still unable to walk without canes. Hopefully by tomorrow the synvisc will dissipate and I'll have some relief.

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2010, 11:12:23 PM »
Chuck

Has your knee swollen up? Just a thought to maybe help the extra fluid shift around would be to try warm-cold-warm-cold type therapy. If the joint IS swollen avoid any form of heat and stick with icing as heat simply makes the swelling worse and could aggravate things. But if it isn't swollen, but is stiff and painful, a moist warmth (shower, heated flannels) and then some ice and some gentle attempts at bending in between might help the fluid move about. Just a thought - I know sometimes when my knee is stiff and achy the mix of temperatures can help motion. BUT as I say, if swollen, avoid anything hot. Perhaps even a long soak in a warm bath. Sounds like your knee is a bit too full tonight!

take care

Lottie
Bilateral patella OA since 2009, no surgeries.
Euflexxa working well x3 to current
Right forefoot CRPS post fusion surgery 2011
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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2010, 11:12:59 PM »
oh no!!!!!!!!!! i have no joint space :o i will dope myself up before i go. Crap
2006 right knee surgery, meniscus
2008 left knee lateral release,  meniscus
2009 microfracture left knee, lateral meniscus,  fragment
2009 cartilage transplant oats
2010 loose fragment removal, meniscus fraying,found another defect
2010 oats failed, synvesic injections ,2011 right knee meniscus

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2010, 11:38:40 PM »
I can't tell if my knees are swollen anymore. They are perpetually swollen. I think I'll wait till tomorrow for warm moist applications.
tennisfan, my wife and I are getting a kick out of your posts. Hopefully everybody is different and your shot might not hurt at all. Regardless, you have to let us know how it goes. Remember, "Cowards die a thousand deaths, the brave die but once"

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2010, 04:55:42 AM »
Here's my two cents - I've had numerous one and three shots, all of which were fine.  I had the Synvisc One and will NEVER EVER NEVER in this life time do that again.  I'm a pretty tough old bird, but holy cow!!!!!  Its so much fluid that  I thought my toes would pop off, or something. After wards the surgeon says "it may be a little sore." Ya think!!!!  I literally could not bend my leg, had to walk peg legged style to the car.  It wasn't pretty, lets just leave it at that.  I spent the next three days peg legged and on ice - then the swelling, excessive fluid was gone.  Sadly after all of that it really didn't do me any good except cost a big amount of money. Wish you the best - ice afterwords.  eagle

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2010, 06:14:52 AM »
oh my Lord :-\ well lets see does anyone have any good news? hmmmmmmmm well i get the shot next thursday so if everyone heres a scream it is coming from me
2006 right knee surgery, meniscus
2008 left knee lateral release,  meniscus
2009 microfracture left knee, lateral meniscus,  fragment
2009 cartilage transplant oats
2010 loose fragment removal, meniscus fraying,found another defect
2010 oats failed, synvesic injections ,2011 right knee meniscus

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2010, 08:04:55 AM »
Is Synvisc One a "thicker" type of fluid? I have to say I wimped out by having the local shot into the joint first, I felt nothing apart from some mild pressure! My OS said he can get into the joint space better having used a local and reduces his risk of being kicked in the face!!  :o 8)

Where do people have these? I was expecting it into the kind of meniscal bit under the kneecap but he went in at the side under the kneecap. The thought of that was worse than the event as thats my worse area for cartilage loss!

Hope the knee is easier today Chuck

tenisfan, Lottie prescribes some drugs beforehand and a large glass of something after  ;D

Lottie
Bilateral patella OA since 2009, no surgeries.
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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2010, 11:10:58 AM »
The knee is a bit better this morning. Still very stiff, I have to stay off it. Eaglemom, I share your sentiments. Never again. Tenisfan, maybe you still have the option of getting the three shots. If you do, and maybe you ought to consider it. Hopefully others that have had an easier episode will chime in. Like I said, everybody is different.
Lottiefox, I've had a local mixed in with cortisone. Painless. This 3in1 synvisc is just a tremendous amount of meds. going into a very limited joint space. End result is pressure/pain. Like Eaglemom says, "never again".
I'm wondering if this 3in1 deal is just the insurance companies way of cutting down costs.

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2010, 03:10:19 PM »
Has anyone ever heard of injections of homeopathic bee venom?  No, really, I'm serious! I just started going to a medical doctor who also specializes in some natural and homeopathic treatments. I would have thought this was totally nuts--except that I remembered  having met a beekeeper  several years ago, who told me he used to have severe arthritis in his hands.  After keeping bees and being stung so many times, his arthritis is gone and he is pain free (except for the bee stings I guess!)   At the time I thought I'd rather put up with arthritis than be stung by bees--but then I developed severe osteoarthritis in both knees.  I have a lot of pain when walking, and stiffness after sitting for more than a half hour--my MRI's show that I have very little cartilage left.   I'm basically bone on bone and I limp pretty badly.   I've had arthroscopic surgery twice in my right knee to remove loose junk. The last one was 3 yrs ago. It took me 4 months to recover from the last surgery--ridiculous, really. I had so much stiffness and swelling and pain after the surgery and I felt like it didn't really do anything to relieve the pain I was having--the only good thing was my knee no longer locked up.  So I was slowly coming around to the idea of a TKR--one knee at a time.  But since I'm only 55, I really wanted to wait about 5 yrs. Anyway, I went to see this new dr and decided to grit my teeth and try these injections. (I have never tried Synvisc).
I've had 4 bee venom injections so far. They hurt like crazy when the needle goes in and I feel like choking the doctor--but once the needle's out, it burns and itches a little for an hour or so, but no swelling or continuing pain.  Once the needle's out, and I have forgiven the doctor, I can get right up and put weight on the knees. I usually bring ice packs in the car with me and put them on as i drive home, just because of the burning/itching--I forgot last time, and found I didn't need them. A few days after the first shots, I noticed that I  could sit for an hour or more and I had no stiffness when getting up and walking. That was a great relief! After 4 shots, I can tell you that the knee I had surgery on feels pretty good. The other one is not responding as well. I was ready to give up on that one, and possibly have surgery again to remove loose pieces (it feels like I'm walking on gravel sometimes) but the dr.  encouraged me to try a couple more shots before I give up.
I'd be interested to know if anyone else has tried this--and also would like to know if anyone is interested in hearing my continuing saga.  I'm scheduled for another shot on  9/30/10.

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2010, 08:16:13 PM »
thanks lottie i will be following your advice ;D a lot of something before and a lot of something after
2006 right knee surgery, meniscus
2008 left knee lateral release,  meniscus
2009 microfracture left knee, lateral meniscus,  fragment
2009 cartilage transplant oats
2010 loose fragment removal, meniscus fraying,found another defect
2010 oats failed, synvesic injections ,2011 right knee meniscus

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2010, 08:24:04 PM »
i have never heard of bee venom that is very interesting would like to know if it works or not. Thanks Lottie i will take your advice a lot of something before the injection and a lot of something after ;D   Kim
2006 right knee surgery, meniscus
2008 left knee lateral release,  meniscus
2009 microfracture left knee, lateral meniscus,  fragment
2009 cartilage transplant oats
2010 loose fragment removal, meniscus fraying,found another defect
2010 oats failed, synvesic injections ,2011 right knee meniscus

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2010, 09:22:56 AM »
Not trying to hijack this thread but Kim, I hadn't realised you have problems again... :-\

Another defect? Has the OATS repair held up OK? Is this new one amenable to surgical mend or are they trying to deal with things conservatively?

Hoping the injection brings some relief.

Chuck how is the knee feeling today?

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2010, 10:01:02 AM »
Thank you Lottie for asking about my knee. Both knees are much better now. I've been icing regularly, I do have to say that I had to stay off the legs for 24-48hrs after the shots. Hopefully the syn-visc will give me some relief.

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2010, 06:55:43 PM »
Chuck

Glad to hear the knees have calmed down. My OS told me to stay pretty much off my feet for the first "few hours" (how vague is that?!) - not easy when you need to get a cab and train out of London! Then the next day I was at the gym...perhaps not the most sensible option either!

Hope the knees keep improving. I think I'm going to get my right knee done too, the jury is out on the improvement on the left as its only been 2 weeks but it certainly isn't worse and hopefully its helping the old creaky internal parts. Rightie knee is not so worn out, so maybe it will like it even more!

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Euflexxa working well x3 to current
Right forefoot CRPS post fusion surgery 2011
Refusing to let the ailing parts stop me....

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2010, 07:11:50 PM »
Hi Lottie,

Yes the oats has completely failed just found that out, and i have another defect. I am my doctors first failure case so that made me feel alot better >:( So there is not much left here to try. They are making me a brace, and want me to try the synvisc, so we shall see what happens :( It is pretty upsetting, but i have to try to stay positive, and now that everyone has scared the ba geebies out of me i am really looking forward to this injection. I dont think it can  be any more worse than having a nerve block wide awake :o take care everyone and i hope everyones knees feel better!!!!!!!    Kim
2006 right knee surgery, meniscus
2008 left knee lateral release,  meniscus
2009 microfracture left knee, lateral meniscus,  fragment
2009 cartilage transplant oats
2010 loose fragment removal, meniscus fraying,found another defect
2010 oats failed, synvesic injections ,2011 right knee meniscus

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2010, 06:58:06 PM »
chuck, How is your knee doing? Just wondered if it is any better, my doctor says it can take up to 6 weeks until you will notice anything, so i was just wondering,  thanks  Kim
2006 right knee surgery, meniscus
2008 left knee lateral release,  meniscus
2009 microfracture left knee, lateral meniscus,  fragment
2009 cartilage transplant oats
2010 loose fragment removal, meniscus fraying,found another defect
2010 oats failed, synvesic injections ,2011 right knee meniscus

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2010, 02:29:25 PM »
Kim, I'm back to walking around. I was stuck in the chair for 48 hours. My right knee (worst of the two) has a strange clunk and some additional pain. I never had much success with syn-visc.  I'm looking into tkr. Thanks for asking.

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2010, 02:52:15 AM »
okay guys, i went the synvisc three route, i opted out of the one, and guess what did not hurt at all. I had him put in some novacaine  ;D yeah!!!!!!, so lets hope for the best, because no more options for me. ::)     Kim
2006 right knee surgery, meniscus
2008 left knee lateral release,  meniscus
2009 microfracture left knee, lateral meniscus,  fragment
2009 cartilage transplant oats
2010 loose fragment removal, meniscus fraying,found another defect
2010 oats failed, synvesic injections ,2011 right knee meniscus

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2010, 06:31:09 PM »
Kim, I think you made a good move. I've heard that the one shot doesn't last as long as the 3 shot. I know it hurts more too!

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2010, 09:40:36 PM »
Kim - good choice! Novocaine - how awesome would it be to have on tap into the knee when needed?! I hope this brings some relief.

Chuck - glad the knees have settled down after their stabbing. Not so good that you're having to look into other options, but if TKR is the right thing and the right time, then sometimes it just has to be done I guess......no regrets, chance of a pain free life. Good luck.

The Euflexxa in my leftie seems to be doing something, its 3 weeks post jab and the knee feels quite fluid. Not quite as catchy on the femoral lesion. Not as sore after a session in the gym I shall see what it feels like but I certainly think it was worth a try. Can they do it into worn out big toe joints as I have one of those giving me way more problems....thats a fusion or live with it.....ouchie.... :-X

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2010, 06:12:18 PM »
 :D Injection number two yesterday, same as the first one, love the numbing shot first. Have had no pain after these injections at all.  Actually for the first time went up the stairs and the knee did not hurt, I am noticing alot of improvement so far, I wonder if they have this stuff for the hip, ??? with all the compensating i have been doing, my hip is killing >:(
2006 right knee surgery, meniscus
2008 left knee lateral release,  meniscus
2009 microfracture left knee, lateral meniscus,  fragment
2009 cartilage transplant oats
2010 loose fragment removal, meniscus fraying,found another defect
2010 oats failed, synvesic injections ,2011 right knee meniscus

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2010, 02:19:58 AM »
I just stumbled across this thread and while I haven't had Synvisc, I have had the series of 5 Supartz which is similar. I have to say that if they hurt, you may need to find a new ortho to administer them. Mine didn't use any cold spray or numbing agents and they were fine. Another doc in the practice did one of the 5 and that was a completely different experience than the ortho that gave me the others. This doc used cold numbing spray, an injection of some numbing agent first and then took a different approach to inject the knee...it was a whole production where I was used to just getting the Supartz and being done. That shot with all the sprays and numbing was the only one that slightly uncomfortable....although even that was more so after the fact.  My take...the skill of the surgeon in administering the injection plays a huge part in the comfort of the injection.

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2010, 07:36:07 PM »
Round three today.  I could not be happier, this has been the best my knee has felt in years. I know it wont give it a 100% healing, but for the first time in a long time, i am walking without limping, and am having no pain at all.   Kim
2006 right knee surgery, meniscus
2008 left knee lateral release,  meniscus
2009 microfracture left knee, lateral meniscus,  fragment
2009 cartilage transplant oats
2010 loose fragment removal, meniscus fraying,found another defect
2010 oats failed, synvesic injections ,2011 right knee meniscus

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2010, 07:39:37 PM »
Kim,

Excellent news!! I'm happy with my Euflexxa - biking 30k at a time in the gym, MUCH better walking, I even dragged the recycling and garden bins down our bumpy driveway last night in the pitch dark, and today I squatted down to look at car wheels without thinking about it.......I think these things can really help lubricate the knee if you're lucky enough to get relief. Long may it continue!!!

Keep us posted. Chuck - how are your knees going?

Lottie x
Bilateral patella OA since 2009, no surgeries.
Euflexxa working well x3 to current
Right forefoot CRPS post fusion surgery 2011
Refusing to let the ailing parts stop me....

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2010, 07:18:57 AM »
Well crap :-\ looks like the synvesic has worn off already, catching and popping again. Is not looking good for this poor knee of mine >:(
2006 right knee surgery, meniscus
2008 left knee lateral release,  meniscus
2009 microfracture left knee, lateral meniscus,  fragment
2009 cartilage transplant oats
2010 loose fragment removal, meniscus fraying,found another defect
2010 oats failed, synvesic injections ,2011 right knee meniscus

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2010, 04:27:08 PM »
Dammit.  :-\  I'd hoped it might bring you some longer relief. I'm still finding the Euflexxa is helping, I'm at about 10 weeks post shot now and starrting to feel a few more twinges but the weather has got mighty cold so that isn't helping. Generally though I certainly still feel a benefit. Just spent two weeks in the Canaries with 25 degrees warmth everyday and I forgot I had a bum knee - felt normal!

What is the next step for your poor knee? Is it worth another shot to top things up?

Hope things improve again for you.

Darned knees.

Lottie x :(
Bilateral patella OA since 2009, no surgeries.
Euflexxa working well x3 to current
Right forefoot CRPS post fusion surgery 2011
Refusing to let the ailing parts stop me....

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Re: synvisc one this morning
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2010, 10:07:24 PM »
yes dammit!!!! I just dont know what i am suppose to do i have a dead piece of bone in my knee >:( I am going to get a few more opinions and see what exactly i should be doing here. I am glad lottie your knee is feeling better. I hope it continues for you. At least i can walk without pain, it is just that pop that happens, and i never know when it is going to do it. It is not pleasant >:(    Kim
2006 right knee surgery, meniscus
2008 left knee lateral release,  meniscus
2009 microfracture left knee, lateral meniscus,  fragment
2009 cartilage transplant oats
2010 loose fragment removal, meniscus fraying,found another defect
2010 oats failed, synvesic injections ,2011 right knee meniscus















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