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What cold therapy unit do you like?
« on: September 28, 2009, 02:16:59 PM »
My OS uses cryo cuff. I've been checking it out and see there are a lot of other choices for cold therapy units, so I was wondering which unit you chose or used and whether you liked it and why. The cryo cuff with auto chill runs about $250, but there are others that are more and less expensive too. I definitely want one that circulates the water to keep it cold without one having to keep refilling it every hour.

The gameready machine looks to be killer, but it's too pricey for me to pay out of pocket for it.
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2009, 03:52:44 AM »
they are really pricey, but the GAMEREADY is absolutely positively fricken AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rented one after my first knee surgery and the polar care doesnt even begin to compare.

no way i would ever buy one because of the price, but renting it for the first part of the surgery was awesome!
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2009, 04:27:03 AM »
In my state a Gameready is a medical device that requires a script to rent and you can not really buy one($2500+).

Personally- I have been through 11 knee surgeries including 3 fulkersons and a PFJR with either good old gel packs or home made gel packs. The one time I use a Cryo unit it was more trouble then it was worth.

Not worth the money. Just my opinion.

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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 06:47:30 AM »
I'm with KW on this - I use gel packs and frozen peas - much more portable and flexible. From what I've read here none of them beat ice packs and frozen peas for getting the cold to the actual points it is needed.

We do not use these units much in Europe as far as I can see here - certainly they are never used for ortho work here in Germany - more trouble than they are worth and with an ice pack you can still do ankle pumps and heel slides so you are actively cooling and mobilising your knee at the same time.

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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2009, 01:49:08 PM »
I believe the gameready can also only be had by script in my state too.

I considered not using a cooling unit too, and just going the way of ice packs. The one advantage I see to the unit so far is with the autochill, I don't have to get up and keep changing the ice every hour (it recirculates automatically). I'm gonna be in a hotel the first week after the surgery and I really would hate to have my mom running back and forth to the ice machine all day. And once I'm home, I'll likely be home alone and have to deal with steps to get to the kitchen. My last surgery we just did the ice pack, but I could also move around fine, as I just had plica removal and was on my feet from day one.

Why can't one still do ankle pumps and heel slides with a cooling unit? My friend had I guess the polar car unit after his acl recon and he seemed to be able to move just fine, both passively in the cpm and actively on his own.
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2010, 03:32:13 AM »
If you have arthrofibrosis, buying a Game Ready is well worth the money, and can actually be cheaper than renting even if you pay list price, which is about $2300. You can also buy perfectly good used units on ebay or craigslist for $750-1500.

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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2011, 08:25:06 PM »
Cranker, which one did you end up getting? I'm shopping for mine today and trying to decide. I think the new unit from Ossur looks like a good one. I like that it is quiet and seals better for no leaks. But they only have the pads that go inside of a brace or dressing. They don't have an attachment that wraps around and provides compression like the cryocuff does. I had one back in '94 for that surgery that looked like the rectangle cooler and had the pump on the outside and a pad inside my brace. I loved the way it cooled my knee, but it was noisy and leaked sometimes. So I'm trying to do better this time.
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2011, 09:16:37 PM »
I like the breg polar care with the battery power pack.  You can use it anywhere.  It can also be left on overnight, as it self regulates the temperature.  It cost $380.
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2011, 09:24:33 PM »
W, does it have a cuff or a pad to circulate the cold?
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2011, 09:43:26 PM »
It has a pad, and a compression wrap.  I believe there are a couple of options available on that one.  The pad is big, and it is shaped to be able to fit around the bend in your knee.  I used to use it most when I went to bed, and I would leave it on all night, or until the cold was gone.  If I filled it up at 9 pm, the ice would last until 5 am.  That worked for me.  It pretty much takes an entire bag of ice like you would pick up at the gas station.  Another good thing about the pad, was that it was easy to fit over the bulky dressing I had on.  The cold went through the padded ace no sweat.  It just took a little bit of time!
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2011, 10:49:25 PM »
Smillie, I posted a pick of the unit I have.  It is the polar care kodiak..I forgot to say which one I had!
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2011, 11:19:05 PM »
I wondered which one. I looked at their site and there were 5 or 6 of them. :-)
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2011, 05:03:55 PM »
I used the CryoCuff with autochill. Dr. Sanders recommends that one but you can use whatever one you want. I actually ended up using the game ready as well and it's a nice unit, but costly and only available with prescription. The cryo-cuff worked well for me so that's what I would personally recommend, but I'm sure any of them all work similarly well. I let my friend use my cryocuff cooler (not the cuff) after her surgery when her PolarCare broke and she actually liked the cryocuff better.
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2011, 06:17:35 PM »
Good to know. Thanks! So did you have the external motor or the one in the lid? How noisy is it?
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2011, 08:00:04 PM »
Mine came with the motor in the lid. I'm actually on my second lid (long story). When I bought the replacement lid for the hardware removal, I was worried about compatibility because it looked slightly different on the website compared to the one I already had. I phoned the company and they told me they had done a modification to the design but the new lid was 100% compatible. The new lid is much quieter than the first one I had. The first one wasn't too loud to me, but maybe I was used to it. When I came home from my in-laws, my husband noted at once that sleeping with it going was kind of annoying to him. He wasn't looking forward to the hardware removal and hearing the "rrrrrrr----guuuuuurgle" at night. But the redesigned lid and motor was much quieter, even he thought so. Neither one ever bothered me. Maybe I'm programmed to noise while I sleep though, since I've had to learn to sleep through his snoring...
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2011, 10:50:02 PM »
Exactly what I needed to know. Thank you!  And LOL about the snoring.  Exactly!  ;D
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2011, 03:04:57 PM »
Smillie,

I will add my thoughts on this as well.  If you are going to have a small dressing and TED's post op, I think the cryocuff would be a good choice.  I had a padded ace bandage, which is quite bulky.  I don't think the cryocuff would have worked so well for me because of that.  The cooling pad with the polar care was easier to apply for me, as you secure the bad with a compression wrap.  I also had a time with too much compression.  I remember the day I came home after the surgery.  I had this drive you out of your mind pain.  I was doing circles around my house on crutches.  My friend who is an ortho nurse, loosened up the ace bandage a little bit...pain gone.  So, that is probably why I was happy with my unit, as I could loosen the compression if it was too much for me. 
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2011, 07:40:05 PM »
Good point. I had one with a pad last time, but I was also in a brace, so it was good that the pad could be on inside my brace. No brace this time, so the cuff should be nice. I'm price shopping now. I want to be sure it gets here in plenty of time.
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2013, 04:31:24 PM »
I shattered my tibia almost 4 years ago, which led to 4 surgeries. The 4th was a TKA that had to be custom made due to allergies to Surgical Stainless and Bone cement. I've used Game Ready extensively, and I highly recommend it. The units are expensive, but you can always resell them when you are done with them. My first unit was a rental, but for subsequent surgeries I bought mine on eBay. The combination of compression and cold accelerates healing and really helps with pain management. Freedom from pain without meds is worth a lot of money to me. For purchase, I would recommend only the newer "Version 2" units. These are still supported by Game Ready (can be repaired if needed). The older units are now all pretty old and will inevitably now fail or start to develop leaks due to the reservoir design. There is no repair channel for these older units, and when they fail it's basically a total loss on the control unit. 

Another product that looks exciting is the Dynatron Quad 7, but I have no actual experience with it.
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2013, 04:51:21 AM »
I've had the manual version of the cryocuff, I've had a breg polarcare cub 350, and i've got the Ossur ColdRush now. So far, the Ossur one has been the quietest of them all.

I've save a LOT of money by getting secondhand units. My ColdRush is courtesy of a KneeGeek who no longer needed it and let me have it affordably. Much appreciated, given my knee is permanently screwed up and doing too much and ending up needing heavy icing is easy to do.

the ability to set up the system, have it stay on, and just disconnect the couplings on the hoses to the chill pad to make a bathroom trip (leaving the pad wrapped in place) makes both breg and ossur convenient - no need to even turn it off - just disconnect and go, and reconnect when you get back, although I do advise keeping a washrag handy to catch drips, because it is water lines, after all.

I hated the manual cryocuff, and I hated the air pump add on to their system, way too noisy, like being hooked up to an aquarium with a hissing problem. Don't know if they've improved since, but I'm not spending the cash to find out. If you don't have access to electricity, the manual version is livable... but not a first choice IMO.

so, this is the opinion of someone who's tried several different units over the years, for what it's worth.
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Re: What cold therapy unit do you like?
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2017, 11:56:49 PM »
Br careful some cold therapies can freeze your skin and cause serious problems!















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