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THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« on: November 02, 2008, 06:10:35 PM »
I noticed this problem came up on one ot the threads and I would like to take this opportunity to comment on it.
I see a serious problem when a thread is allowed to get carried away that has been going on for a couple years. When a person has nothing new to add or nothing to contribue, then what is wrong with them starting a new topic and putting a new spin on things.
I see two particular threads here for instance where one person is in the hospital fighting for their life and needs our support and another who has had the same topic for a couple years and didn't post for a long time, and goes back many, many pages to dig up the old thread and continues on with it. The problem here is that they have made this thread a contest between the lady fighting for her life and the one with no new problem who is just still complaining about the same old things
I think the problem is serious also and KG loses it's purpose when more support is given to the person just complaining then the one who actually is seriously ill and fighting for their life, who has been so compasionate of others and puts everyone else first. I've read the two threads in question thoughly and you certainly can tell who the compationate one is compared to the one just fighting for attention.
And then what happens when everyone else complains of their problems on the same thread. Shouldn't they be starting their own thread instead of using someone elses. If you wonder why a person may use another name instead of the one they are registered with, it is becasue you can't speak the truth that way as you would get blasted. Isn't the moderator interested if their is a problem where they could do something to improve the site for everyone. Many of the new threads get burried and never get seen because of one person trying to hog the attention. Many people don't look past the first page. These people know that when there is a response to their thread that it goes to the top, and I've seen them answer themselves just to keep their posting on top. It's like they are running some kind of contest for the attention. Anyone contributing to this is just as bad.
There are many people here who would agree with me but don't dare express their opinion and that is sad.  So for those of you who need so much attention that you need to post daily when you have no news to tell or your status has been the same for two years, I feel sorry for you, but if you need this kind of attention by all means, keep it up unti those suppporting the thread get bored.

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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2008, 06:21:35 PM »
amen.....enough said ;)

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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2008, 06:37:10 PM »
Why would someone who is not a regular KG user (Tommy24) have so much to say about some of the threads on this board?  Tommy24 makes this comment and then deletes their account on the site....SEEMS ODD TO ME.

 A new user "Jimmy367” made this same comment in another thread recently.   Maybe the same person? 

A majority of the threads on the site are short…If you don’t like the long ones DON'T READ THEM….By the way…The long ones may be POST OP DIARY’S and they contain great info. 

I know the 2 threads Tommy24 is speaking about…I see no competition between the two. 
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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2008, 08:50:08 PM »
There ARE many boards that split threads as soon as they reach a certain length. I took the decision years ago not to do this as some threads are very popular.

How about this solution? That I create a board just for the VERY long threads, and mark it clearly as such. Then they will not block the top positions on the threads that tend to be used by new users.

Please give me your opinion on this. I would particularly like to hear on this open forum the opinion of long-standing members on this issue.

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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2008, 09:01:48 PM »
Sheila...
I am a KneeGeek of a little over a year, however I am on regularly and contribute fairly regularly to a number of threads.

I think your solution is a very good one and would reduce the obvious rancour that is being produced as a result of some of the long threads. Some of the post op diaries are very lengthy and as a result do tend to float to the top of the board...
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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2008, 09:20:18 PM »
I agree with what SUBAIL has said totally..........i think that would be very useful.
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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2008, 09:23:23 PM »
Sheila, This is a good idea. I for one have been a member of Kneeguru for a long time and when I am in a hurry I am guilty of not looking past the first page, and there are probably many new people who are pushed onto the second and third page by old threads that just keep surfacing. I myself have noticed that if I have posted a new thread and it isn't answered right away it ends up on the next page very quickly and so I surface it again and eventually get a response.
I also find that if I see a thread is too long I avoid it as I don't have time to read it. I tend more to answer the threads that have few pages so I can catch up and give a fair response.
What dfference does it make who tommy24 is if he makes valid points that could improve KG. That is the problem, some people are not responding to the thread but more to the person who wrote it.
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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2008, 10:14:57 PM »
Just out of curiosity I fished through page after page on this board and got up to the 10th page and stopped totally ashamed of myself. I didn't even realize the number of posting by new people that did not have one response to them. There are not enough new people being helped because some other threads are taking over the board and getting all the attention. I for one am going to take more time to go beyond the first page and try to help some of these people. If we all did that maybe we could help more people. Many people just keep responding to the same thread instead of spreading themselves out and helping more then just one or two people.
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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2008, 06:47:03 AM »
Hi Sheila

I too feel that some of the longer threads, particularly in the Post-Op section have moved beyond the function of that Board. I fail to see the significance, within the purpose of a specific Board, of threads that have gone on for sometimes more than a year and yet are still updated many times per day. This, as someone has said, pushes them to the top of a Board. For Newbies, searching for relevant information this is difficult, they are no longer sure if it is an important thread. I must also comment here that I find the concept of Pre-Op Diaries somewhat superfluous!

There is a section of the Board available for long threads, it is in the  Games Room and is called "Know Each Other? Just Want to Chat?" This is where I personally feel these threads belong, as they have little or no relevance any  more to the Post-Op information. The same goes for threads that started over 2 years ago which after a period of zero activity suddenly burst back on the scene. OK a new user may want to contact the original thread owner or a person who had something then to say, but the thread itself should be restarted under a new title. I can think of one thread where at the start there was no relevant Board for it, so it appears in the General section, in the interim a topic specific Board has been opened where this thread would be appropriate.

I feel it is perhaps a task that the owner of a resurrected thread should take on board, to say to a Newbie OK I have noted your interest, lets start a new thread where we can discuss your questions/problems. I know that there are individual moderators for each Board, but when I look to see when some of them were last active I see that they are often not that regular in their visits to their "children"! In reality practically ALL the moderation work appears to fall upon your shoulders. This is not really practical nor fair. It also means that the routine overseeing of the activity is preventing you from offering the invaluable help you have be able to give in the past. I mean here the posting of links to new articles and updating us on changes in accepted practice. Most of your activity these days seems to consist of acting as a referee where things get too hot or shuffling posts around to the relevant sections. What a waste of your valuable time!

I agree with LuckyGrandma6 here, it is a pity that Tommy24 is probably a pseudonym for a frustrated User, hence the rapid deletion of their ID. BUT they do raise a fairly important point. My question is why did they feel threatened enough to create a new Persona just to make a valid and constructive criticism? It says something about maybe the atmosphere vis à vis open and adult discussion.

It would be interesting to hear from some Newbies as to the problems they are having finding information from the Boards.

Sue  ;)
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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2008, 01:50:37 PM »
Along these same lines, is there anyone else interested in seeing a split of "The Games Room" threads from the more serious knee discussions?  It would make it easier to sift through the new threads as far as relevance and urgency goes.  Suzanne
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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2008, 06:30:07 PM »
Hi
I have read the responses, and also the responses that have come to me via PM. The main issue is that the busy threads keep coming up to the top of the pile and the new questions are thereby pushed down the list where they may not receive the attention they merit.

However, some longer threads maintain their clinical focus and it would be a shame to move them.

I don't want this to develop into a major issue, and it has the potential to do so, and therefore what I will do is to create a new section (or even two) to accommodate such threads and then assess each one on an individual basis, with discussion with the thread owner, and move them over time.

Let me have your comments. I would like to do this diplomatically and not heavy-handedly.

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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2008, 06:51:24 PM »
Shelia,

That sounds like a great compromise.

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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2008, 07:00:00 PM »
OK. I have made a few changes. I have moved the Games area down to the bottom of the list of boards. I have made a Post op diary for long threads. I have made a board for Popular discussions.

I have not put anything in them yet.

Please all click the HOME button at the top left of the menus and take a look. Let me have feedback.

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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2008, 07:04:37 PM »
Sheila,

I think the changes will work perfectly, and will solve the issue. That is a good idea to have a popular discussion page.

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Re: THE PROBLEM WITH LONG THREADS
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2008, 08:53:19 PM »
Thank you Shiela for your work so far!

I also see no problems with the changes. As a frequent user of the Games Room it does not really bother me where it is. I use the links at the top of the page in my profile box anyway to link to my posts (Show new replies to your posts) and then click on "Show unread posts since last visit" to read the new stuff. I then read thread titles as well as the board they are on to decide whether to look at them or not. I then make sure to mark all the new posts as read which means I do not have to wade through pages and pages of posts. Consequently I rarely have to look at more than two or three pages of new topics.

I think a lot of people have unreal expectations from their posts sometimes. A vague posting about a "sort of pain" somewhere is less likely to receive many constructive replies than something that actually explains in the title what the topic is about or posting in one of the specialist boards instead of the General thread. Lack of repsonses can also mean that no-one feels that they can constructively reply. Other times I have seen people getting annoyed at the lack of response for example at certain times of the year or within a couple of hours of posting. This is a global board which means a new post can be posted in the early morning in one time zone while it is in the middle of the night elsewhere - same goes for public holiday times when the boards go quiet in some parts of the world.

I do have one question though: what will be the criteria for posting in the "Popular Discussion" section? I am taking part in a couple of really interesting discussions, but they are adequately covered in their particular specialist sections. So are we talking politics, current affairs, religion or other such themes or do you mean actually discussions about knee related topics? The former could prove to be explosive, whilst the latter, in my opinion, are already more than adequately covered in the current boards.

Just my tuppence worth  ;)

Thanks for all your efforts and long may the boards continue to be a shining example of how such BBs should work.

Sue  ;)
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