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Offline chrislowe3231

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2008, 03:06:29 PM »
yes he did, and my knee did not move around at all, and i did not feel any pain whatsoever....

August 2008: Ruptured ACL, lateral meniscus tear

August 2009: Hamstring graft to repair ACL, removed Laterel Meniscus.

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2008, 03:15:31 PM »
Could be you have very good muscle tone still. I am really surprised that your knee just gave out like that though. No one I know ever did unless it was no ACL. Sure it will slip with a torn meniscus, but very rare to actually go down like that unless you have no ligament holding the bones in place. I'd bet you tore a ligamaent, either MCL or ACL, but just a guess, I'm no doctor, just a patient that had a lot of injuries to my knee. Be careful too, I know the hospitals will almost always say that to stall or buy time. If they referred everyone to a specialist the sytem would go broke. They make the patient get to the point of desperation and then they send those patients to specialists. It helps weed out the ones that are really not that hurt. But you sound like you are very much hurt.
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3/15/06 - Scope/Cleanout of to achieve full ROM
5/3/06 - Surgery-ACL Reconstruction-Allograft
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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2008, 03:17:57 PM »
Thats so good that you got an appointment so quickly to see an orthopaedic doctor! Hope they can work out what the problem is :)
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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2008, 03:24:14 PM »
Yeah, I know what you mean Celine, so fingers crossed!

I did do 5 years in army, with running nearly everyday for 3 years at a hard a steady pace, do you tyhink this could have caused a few problems.??
August 2008: Ruptured ACL, lateral meniscus tear

August 2009: Hamstring graft to repair ACL, removed Laterel Meniscus.

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2008, 03:37:28 PM »
noI don't think it's from running,  you sound otherwise very strong and healthy, you just injured your knee, but I don't feel it is anything permanent that can't be fixed. Once you know exactly what is wrong you'll feel so much better. We'll be here for you as you recover through it. Hang in there!
Terrible Triad - 1/16/06 - Basketball
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5/3/06 - Surgery-ACL Reconstruction-Allograft
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2008, 04:18:36 PM »
Great news!!! Im so glad you are seeing an OS.

I think it does sound like a meniscus tear - I had complete instability with mine, knee would lock, I would have to manually release it, it would give way, buckle, sublux - you name it, it did it. I completely lost any normal use of my leg over a 3 year period. I also had a crap OS who wouldnt listen to me. By the time I got a good OS the leg was in such a bad state you couldnt see the wood from the trees, he thought I definitely had some bad news coming like torn ACL but upon arthroscopic surgery it turned out to be badly torn meniscus - he told me that if the torn piece is large enough it can cause symptoms of complete instability because if the brain senses something foreign in the joint space it will block the quads contracting at all to avoid damaging the joint, if that happens suddenly you can easily go down.

Im surprised youre not locking more but meniscus injuries can present with all sorts of symptoms.

Fingers crossed its just something simple eh?

Thats story about doctors just pulling the 'badly bruised' story - it sucks and its so true - you really do have to be desperate to get seen. It causes people to make lots of noise just so they get listened to.
1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2008, 04:50:47 PM »
Blimey Tanya, sounds like you have been thought the wars!

I am glad it is getting sorted now, I can be such an impatient bugger! but i have just got to bite the bullet, and accept it could be a long time before i get back into my football/running.

Just a quick one though, would it be ok for me to swim? its just so frustrating not been able to do any sort of CV, putting on weight etc etc.

Yeah fingers crossed is an easy one....cant get injured doing that!! :P
August 2008: Ruptured ACL, lateral meniscus tear

August 2009: Hamstring graft to repair ACL, removed Laterel Meniscus.

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2008, 05:06:04 PM »
if you think about it, in the long run a torn acl is way better than any torn meniscus... but that's for another discussion.
Terrible Triad - 1/16/06 - Basketball
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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2008, 05:35:04 PM »
Chris if I were you Id do nothing til I see the OS, a few more days wont hurt you as far as cardio goes and with no real diagnosis except conjecture on here you really dont know what you should or shouldnt be doing - when the OS has a look at you ask him whats safe for you to be doing.
1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
1988 - Modified Hauser Procedure
1991 - dislocations started again
2005 to 2007 - 150 dislocations in 2 years - OUCH!!!
June 2007 - new OS, new physio
Oct 2007 - VMO woke up
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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2008, 06:10:05 PM »
Yeah it seems like people who get ACL tears fully and completely recover, but Meniscus tears seem to be so complicated and can lead to so many different injuries. I had two tears in my meniscus and now all sorts of little things are wrong with my knee. I had two big tears too, and I didnt even have that much instability, I actually jogged on it before I went to the doctor to see what was wrong with it. But I think if it was meniscus and that bad of a tear, than you wouldnt have been able to fully extend your knee, and you would have had A LOT more pain, and would not be able to put any weight on it for at least 2 days.

So lets hope that its nothing too serious and only a small tear, or small injury that can be fixed.

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2008, 06:14:21 PM »
According to my OS I was probably walking around on my tear for 14 years and only the last 3 of those years I had major problems. Meniscus tears are tricky buggers alright!!!
1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
1988 - Modified Hauser Procedure
1991 - dislocations started again
2005 to 2007 - 150 dislocations in 2 years - OUCH!!!
June 2007 - new OS, new physio
Oct 2007 - VMO woke up
Mar 2008 - big quads, still dislocating
Apr 2008 - next OS app

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2008, 07:46:32 PM »
Thanks for all your help and support, really does mean alot!!!

im going to go along with Tanya's advice....going to be a coach potato for another week! think my other half is going mad now.....she sees me more now than ever!!!

I will let you all know how i get on next week, and hopefully no mishaps before the appointment!!! ;D ;D
August 2008: Ruptured ACL, lateral meniscus tear

August 2009: Hamstring graft to repair ACL, removed Laterel Meniscus.

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2008, 12:00:38 PM »
Hi there,

I've been following your posts. I have to agree with pretty much all that everybody has said! You got a raw deal to begin with and should have had a referral to fracture clinic asap. They run in NHS hospitals on a weekly basis and anyone can get a GP referral for the week ahead. Worth asking for if problems persist in the future. You mentioned that you are currently resting and waiting for surgery. Again - possibly a good move to prevent further damage, but don't forget your quads fade away pretty quickly and you then have a period of rehab after an arthroscopy which means they don't get much stronger.

I'm waiting for scope no:4 on the NHS (all done in past 3 yrs). Everytime I've been to a different hospital, although under the same OS, and my care has been different with physios. General recommendations are: stay as active as you can and try not to depend on crutches when you've had surgery. I know you may need them for a couple of days, but the moment you develop a different style of walking it impacts on your whole body, and causes other injuries elsewhere! You also talked about swimming. I know people see this is a gentle form of exercise to keep fit but you have to make sure your stroke is OK, crawl works fine but anything that involves bending the knees outwards is asking for more trouble.

It was pointed out to me recently that most of us are walking around with small tears in our cartilage that cause different people to suffer varying pain and stuff, but surely if they can put it right then go ahead and get it sorted. In the longterm the gov will pay more for sick time than it does for the op!I wouldn't be opting for op no:4 if I felt they were a waste of time and each has given me greater pain relief and mobility than before. I'm sure you'll be back on the footie pitch - but just wait until next season and give yourself a chance to get over this.

best of luck - K

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2008, 09:24:56 PM »
Well.....i have my appointment tommorow!!! week has gone so bloody slow because of it(even the weekend!)

Still got swelling even after ice pack dyclafenic(cant spell!) etc.


Just a question.....what shall i do if the OS says there is nothing wrong with it? I can be quite niave, and believe what people say to me, but i really really want to get this sorted.

Wish me luck!!
August 2008: Ruptured ACL, lateral meniscus tear

August 2009: Hamstring graft to repair ACL, removed Laterel Meniscus.

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2008, 09:31:05 AM »
hi,
You must go into OS with the belief that there IS something wrong and any deviation from that opinion on his behalf you must refute and insist there IS a problem.
I think its unlikely he will say nothing is wrong, people dont get OS referrals for no reason.
Just explain the situation and how the original injury happened, how its been since then and ask him whats wrong with it.
The fact its swollen is an indicator something is not right.
Try not to worry, ultimately if this OS is no use you find another, and another, until you get someone who will listen.
tanya
1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
1988 - Modified Hauser Procedure
1991 - dislocations started again
2005 to 2007 - 150 dislocations in 2 years - OUCH!!!
June 2007 - new OS, new physio
Oct 2007 - VMO woke up
Mar 2008 - big quads, still dislocating
Apr 2008 - next OS app















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