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Offline chrislowe3231

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need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« on: September 16, 2008, 06:57:45 PM »

I had some real bad problems with my right knee.

 Over 2 months ago whilst playing football, I landed on my right knee, and felt it give way, but heard no popping sound or felt like it teared. But it swelled up quite a lot and was in a lot of pain.

I went up the hospital and the doctor said it was just  badly bruised, but something just didnít feel right. I went to a Physio, who seemed pretty good but all he done was give me ultrasound treatment. It was getting better, then I was just out walking and my knee give way again, and the pain was really bad. I do not expiernce any locking, or nor does my knee make any cracking noise. I can fully extend it, but do get some mild pain. But something just does not feel right. If I hyper extend it does feel like it is going to give way sometimes. Please could somebody help me out, as I am really getting down over this!! Thank you.

August 2008: Ruptured ACL, lateral meniscus tear

August 2009: Hamstring graft to repair ACL, removed Laterel Meniscus.

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2008, 07:31:23 PM »
Hi chris,
I dont know where you are in the world but I think you need to go back to your GP (or equivalent) and explain that something feels 'wrong' and that you need to be referred to a specialist, an OS. Even if an OS only orders more physio at least you are making steps in the right direction if it turns out there is something they need to do for you. Chances are an OS will do all the standard ligament/tendon tests and if nothing is found they may order an MRI - ir your description of the problem may be enough for them.
Sometimes if a piece of cartilage gets torn off and is floating about it can produce that giving away sensation - the body senses something is in the way and automatically relaxes the quads, causing your knee to give out. The mild pain you describe could also be a symptom of something like that.
However - dont take a diagnosis off a stranger on the internet who is not a doctor!!! Go to see an OS - its the only way to get to the root of it.
Dont be getting down, its most likely just a simple mechanical problem - but you need to impress upon the medical people that something does not feel right to you and you know your own body!
Good luck with it.
tanya
1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
1988 - Modified Hauser Procedure
1991 - dislocations started again
2005 to 2007 - 150 dislocations in 2 years - OUCH!!!
June 2007 - new OS, new physio
Oct 2007 - VMO woke up
Mar 2008 - big quads, still dislocating
Apr 2008 - next OS app

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2008, 07:39:35 PM »
Definitely go to your GP and try and get a referral to an orthopaedic specialist. Also are you still seeing the physio? If so you can get them to test your knee ligaments to see if one of them might be damaged. Good luck with it, I hope you get some answers from your GP/physio! :)
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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2008, 08:05:20 PM »
thank you very much for your support.

I am not seeing the physio, and have booked an appointment with the GP for tommorow. I do not think i have ligament damage, after doing (a bloody lot!) of extensive reading on the internet. With what i have read and the pain i have, it looks like something to do with the meniscus. (a partial tear) Its just bloody frustrating as the footie season is about to start and looks like i am going to miss alot of it! :( can this heal on its on?

again thanks for the help guys, it is nice that people really are interested in other peoples injuries. :D
August 2008: Ruptured ACL, lateral meniscus tear

August 2009: Hamstring graft to repair ACL, removed Laterel Meniscus.

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2008, 09:41:28 PM »
thats good that you have got an appointment with your GP so soon, are you in the UK? I too did lots of research in the beginning!  i havent had meniscus problems myself, but i dont think that they generally heal themselves, you might want to post on the meniscus section if you havent already to see what other people with meniscus problems say. good luck with the appointment tomorrow, let us know how it goes if you want :)
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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2008, 09:59:14 PM »
yes am in the UK, and typically my private health insurance ran out in june as well!!! :(

I will let u all know ihow i get on. Fingers crossed they can refer me to someone!!

Thanks again. :)
August 2008: Ruptured ACL, lateral meniscus tear

August 2009: Hamstring graft to repair ACL, removed Laterel Meniscus.

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2008, 09:37:25 AM »
It depends, a very small percentage of the meniscus has a blood supply and can heal itself, but the rest of it cant. However sometimes meniscus tears dont cause any problems.
I just had a large one removed, I hadnt been able to walk or use my leg for 3 years, but the OS who finally helped me said that the tear looked MUCH older than that to him so I had possibly been going about for a long time with no terribly bothersome symptoms.
My advice is - get it fixed!!!! I ended up in a bad situation because I ignored warning signs and just accepted Id a 'trick knee'.

Good luck with the GP and absolutely insist on a referral - tell the GP it FEELS like a meniscus tear!!!

Come back and let us know how you get on.
1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
1988 - Modified Hauser Procedure
1991 - dislocations started again
2005 to 2007 - 150 dislocations in 2 years - OUCH!!!
June 2007 - new OS, new physio
Oct 2007 - VMO woke up
Mar 2008 - big quads, still dislocating
Apr 2008 - next OS app

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2008, 01:41:05 PM »
Hi again....

Well i went to my GP this morning, he examined me and shock horror.....all he said was i badly brusied it. I told him what pain i felt, and was adamant to him that it was a meniscus injury, but he told me just to rest it for a month or so, and see how it goes from there.

Now i have already done this!!! and my knee was getting better, then as i have told you all it just give way on me again.

Any help on this matter would be great, im just stuck at the moment and dont know what to do!  :(
August 2008: Ruptured ACL, lateral meniscus tear

August 2009: Hamstring graft to repair ACL, removed Laterel Meniscus.

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2008, 02:51:47 PM »
Can you not insist on a referral?

If not - then go to a different GP. Or can a physio refer you?
1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
1988 - Modified Hauser Procedure
1991 - dislocations started again
2005 to 2007 - 150 dislocations in 2 years - OUCH!!!
June 2007 - new OS, new physio
Oct 2007 - VMO woke up
Mar 2008 - big quads, still dislocating
Apr 2008 - next OS app

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2008, 06:45:26 PM »
Hi,
Sorry the GP didnt refer you to someone, i think that it would good, like i said before, if someone who is an expert in knee injuries could do the tests for the different types of knee injuries then it would be really good. As you have already had over 2 months of waiting for it to get better i think they should have referred you to someone, at least a physio. if you cant manage to get a referral to an orthopaedic doctor then i would ask for a physio referral as i have found that they give that fairly easily and then the physio could take a good look at your knee.

just out of interest, what stuff about your knee makes you think its meniscus? and when you say it has given way, how/when does that happen?
definitely try and see another GP at your practice and see if they can give you some kind of referral to someone to help!!
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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2008, 08:06:39 PM »
Hi,

Well, i was just over the field watching the lads play football(as i cant play!) and ball came over and i tried avoiding it, but as i done so, went down badly on my right foot. it felt like the top of my knee give way, to the bottom part, with the knee going inwards. i was not twisting or anything. was quite embarrsing because i was on the floor in agnoy, whilst everyone was playing football! its just the pain that is inside my knee which makes me think this.

Well, i dont want to seem like a hypocrondriate(i cant spell!) and go to the doctor every other day, so i think i am going to leave it a few weeks, do the usual ibuprofen,levitate RICE etc etc. And see how i get on. Do you think this is wise, i do you recommened anything else?

Many thanks again for your help and support.  ;D
August 2008: Ruptured ACL, lateral meniscus tear

August 2009: Hamstring graft to repair ACL, removed Laterel Meniscus.

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2008, 09:43:51 AM »
Hi Chris,
Youre not a hypochondriac!!!
If I were in your position I would be inclined to either find another GP, go back to the same one next week and explain its getting worse, exaggerate if you have to!
Or you could find a sports physician who could do the ligament/tendon tests and he would at least determine if anything was wrong there.
I think its been going on long enough to warrant more investigation. I am in Ireland, and here if you want your health taken care of you have to go and fight your case yourself, they are quite happy to tell you to wait a few weeks etc also, but if you make enough noise someone will listen.

If you are near London there is a Sports Medicine place (called Pure Sports Medicine I think) - if you saw someone there they would at least be familiar with knees and knee injuries (as opposed to a GP who knows nothing about much about knees).

It is wise to do RICE etc...but if you believe something is wrong then its also wise to insist on having it checked out.
tanya
1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
1988 - Modified Hauser Procedure
1991 - dislocations started again
2005 to 2007 - 150 dislocations in 2 years - OUCH!!!
June 2007 - new OS, new physio
Oct 2007 - VMO woke up
Mar 2008 - big quads, still dislocating
Apr 2008 - next OS app

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2008, 05:59:29 PM »
hey,
i agree exaggerate if it would help ;D you dont really want to leave it, and you have already tried letting it heal on its own so they should refer you. try and speak to someone different at the GP. im not saying that you have the same injury as i had, but your giving way sounds so similar to mine and the injury kind of too, have you thought about it being ligaments at all? im definitely not trying to worry you about it in any way, i just think it would definitely be worth getting a physio to have a look at it as they know what they are talking about. when my GP referred me he didnt really do anything to my knee as he didnt know much about knees so couldnt judge, he just referred me on as he knew that an expert would know what to do about it. hope that you can get someone who knows about knees to look at it somehow. good luck
megan
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2008, 01:29:02 PM »
Well i have had some good news....hurahh!!

Went down hospital again, just to say something just dont feel right, and put on a bit of a limp(which i dont now!) and managed to see one of the main directors(hows my luck!)

He was so good, said he was not a orthopedic doctor, but said he knew what i was going though, and reckons that hosptials waste so much of there own time and the patients by saying something is just " badly bruised" or "just need a rest" and that things are trying to change and take into place that this does not happen(which is good for all us of eh!)

He has now refered me to fracture clinic, and now have an appointment next tues with the orthopedic surgen....which i thought was really quick!!

And he seems to think i have a torn Meniscus, because of the clicking he was playing around with it. said the wait is not that long for this operation, and is keyhold surgery.

So at the moment i feel like on top of the moon, and im actually getting somewhere!!
August 2008: Ruptured ACL, lateral meniscus tear

August 2009: Hamstring graft to repair ACL, removed Laterel Meniscus.

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Re: need help with diagnostic...! feel really down!
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2008, 02:52:10 PM »
I never heard of that much instability with a torn meniscus. I hope he is right and hope it is not you ACL. Did he do a Lachman's test on you? Where he pulls the tibia forward and pushing down on the femur to see how much play is in there?
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