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Offline richardp

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Weak Knees
« on: February 22, 2008, 09:36:58 PM »
Here’s a brief scenario of my weak knees condition ???.
 
Around November of 2006, I developed weak knees.   I have seen to 2 physical therapists, 2 chiropractors, rheumatoid arthritic doctor, neurosurgeon, 4 orthopedic surgeons, an acupuncturist, …had a bone scan, x-rays, muscle tests, extensive blood work for various diseases, and  MRI of my lower back.  The knees never feel like they are going to collapse…just a weakness…no pain.  I have exercised, continue to stretch my leg muscles…but can never see any improvements.   I can ride my bike/exercise (with weights) without any problems.  So… as you can see.. it is a mystery to me.  The only advise I had gotten was from an orthopedic surgeon that said my knee caps aren’t centered with my legs when knees are bent and this is what is causing my problem. He suggested that I have my tendons cut and it would center the knee caps.  I saw 3 other doctors and they disagreed with his findings.  I can wear knee supports and it does help sometimes, but not much luck today…the weak feeling was with me all day today, even when I sit at my desk.  If I was overweight and/or was heavily into sports growing up, I could see why a knee condition may exist…but…that’s not the case.

My latest doctor was a Chinese chiropractor that did various tests.  One method was holding  my arm extended with supplement bottle in hand and was advised to prevent doctor from pushing down my arm while he pressed on various internal organ locations.  It was concluded that my kidneys were weak and that was causing weak knees.  So… I was put on Jin Gui Shen Qi Wan for 2 months and unfortunately there was no improvement.  Next visit, he brought my case up with several doctors at a convention and went through the same test again and was put on:B6 Phosphate, ADB5-Plus, Zn-Zyme Forte, and Mg-Zyme from Biotics Research.  Months have gone bye…and still nothing!  I am getting very tired and am hoping you can direct me.   

Last but not least. I saw a supposed healer – used acupuncture as a main treatment method. Had high hopes of this working…was told I should notice something by the time I left his office (which was not the case) and later told to wait 2-3 days, also…that it may take several more sessions. 

So…as you can see…I don’t know who else to see or what else to do.  At times this condition is quite burdensome and hard to deal with emotionally.  If I could take some type of medication or over-the-counter relief to reduce my symptom life would be better, but…nothing has worked. 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
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Offline plantgeek58

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Re: Weak Knees
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2008, 04:48:33 AM »
Hi Richard,
I was a little confused when I read the last paragraph of your post. I'm getting the impression you think there are paid professionals here and unfortunately that's not the case. This is just an open forum for people with knee issues to share their experiences and offer advice and support to each other. No one gets paid for it, so you don't have to worry about that.
I wish I could offer some suggestions, but your problem doesn't fall within my realm of experience. That doesn't mean that someone else here might not be able to help, though. We are a diverse group, so hopefully someone will be able to relate to what you're going through. I was wondering, though, if you've ever had the knees MRI'd. You mentioned having your back done but not your knees. Also, what opinions did the other 3 OS give you? That might be helpful for other folks to know. Also, if you haven't poked around this site already, you may want to go to the Kneeguru's homepage and check out some of the tutorials on knee problems. The more you know in general about your knees, the better prepared you'll be to make decisions about your treatment options.
Terre
« Last Edit: February 26, 2008, 12:32:19 AM by plantgeek58 »
RK 7/04 part. m. menisc., plica resect., MF
    3/05 part. m. menisc., open OATS
    1/07 part l. menisc., MF, patellar chondroplasty
    9/08 MF
LK 11/04 & 8/06 part m. menisc.
     7/07 LR, patellar tendon debrid., part m. menisc.

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Re: Weak Knees
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2008, 08:40:38 PM »
Sorry for the confusion...I edited my story a bit.   The other orthopedic surgeons said that my knee alignment was OK and sent me on my way.  The last one had mentioned that my hamstring muscles were tight and to stretch them twince a day for 6 months.  Have been doing this for over a  month now and haven't noticed much change.

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Re: Weak Knees
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2008, 10:57:50 PM »
Hi RichardP,

I was in a simialar situation to yourself. I have had a bad knee since I was 14 (11 years!) I saw many PTs, surgeons and pain specialists. Had many xrays and MRI scans, Like you my knee was very weak , I would find it was worse when my knees were bent but I was able to do karate (carefully) and cycling etc. I used to find that when sitting my knee would swell up and eventually I couldn't walk on it - does this happen to you?

Accupuncture worked for me to keep the swelling under control but it did take about 4 sessions before they got it right, as there are many places they can put the needles, its a case of finding the right combination.

Eventually I found a surgeon that said that my pattella was maltraking (he actually xrayed my knee when it was bent at different angles so he could see what it was doing when it was bent) and 13 weeks ago I had an operation called a lateral release (the operation you described) unfortunatley I'm not sure if it has worked for me as I'm having severe difficulties with rehab, However I have known it to be a sucsses with others, I think its important to try everything else first and then make sure your surgeon really thinks it nessercary.

Other things I have tried that you may want to look into are taping (physio can show you this), a knee brace (holds your patella in place) also for a few years I had some special insoles that I wore in my shoes as they discovered that my feet had gone flat and they were causing my knees to maltrack.

I hope some of this may be of help, hang in there, you are not alone keep fighting and there will be someone out there that can help you.

Goodluck.

Trace :)
23/07/08 - MPFL Reconstruction
28/11/07 - LR (Failed)
4 years of physio and acupuncture
23/12/03 - Arthroscopy
7 years of physio, insoles, brace, MRI scans and Xrays
1996 - knee problems started

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Re: Weak Knees
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2008, 06:08:36 PM »
Thanks for the input.  You had mentioned swelling...that never happens...no redness..nothing.  Along with the weakness, sometimes the bottoms of my feet are sore? I have tried shoe inserts, but haven't noticed any real difference.  Wearing Ace knee supports helps a bit, but..is not a fix.  I still have the weak feeling with both knees.  It's hard to describe the feeling though...am getting tired of the entire routine.  Throughout all of my doctor visits...no orthopedic surgeons thought an MRI of the knee was necessary?  I am a bit uneasy about seeing the original surgeon that had stated that my knee caps are not properly aligned when bent...when the other 3 saiid they looked OK??  So...I am at a dilemma...do I have orthoscopic surgery or not? ??? ???

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Re: Weak Knees
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2008, 03:43:36 PM »
Hello,

I can see why you would be reluctant to return to return to your origional surgeon. THe operation that you describe sounds very much like a lateral release, which is what I had. This operation can be a success but if done for the wrong reasons can make your knees worse.

What did the other surgeons suggest?
23/07/08 - MPFL Reconstruction
28/11/07 - LR (Failed)
4 years of physio and acupuncture
23/12/03 - Arthroscopy
7 years of physio, insoles, brace, MRI scans and Xrays
1996 - knee problems started

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Re: Weak Knees
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2008, 09:35:41 PM »
The last orthopedic surgeon said my hamstrings were very tight and to stretch them for 6 months.  It's been over 3 now...still have symptoms.

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Re: Weak Knees
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2010, 08:28:20 PM »
OK...it's been awhile since my last post.  I have continued to try ways to relieve my weak knees.  Lately, I have gone to a foot doctor and had some foot orthotics made.  Have had some tingling in my feet from irritating my plantar muscle from overuse on my bicycle.  What is weird is that after telling my doctor my weak knees and such...he suggested I buy shoes like the Skecher shape-ups from kmart that are much more affordable.  After wearing them for about 2 months, my weak knees went away.  The soft cushion that was present when first bought has gone away, and have increased tingling with my feet.  Tried breaking in my orthotics and was suggested that I have some foot therapy.  I bought the higher priced skecher shoes and within several weeks, my weak knees have returned. I am baffled over this!  Is the angle of the shoes correctly align my knees and such?  Will be sharing this news with my podiatrist, but...wonder what others think?  Am getting tired of the knee weakness and may just consider surgery.  Any thoughts?

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Re: Weak Knees
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2010, 12:29:38 AM »
It sounds like orthotics might be the right answer to help your problem.  You just need to find the right ones.  I definitely would not have surgery - I don't think it will help your problem at all.

Can you get a new pair of shoes identical to the ones that helped your problem?  Shoes can wear out quickly, and you may indeed need a new pair every two months.  Have you seen a good podiatrist for a consult?

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Re: Weak Knees
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2010, 07:30:22 PM »
OK...it's December 2010 and would like to share an update with my weak knees.  I have been wearing the Kmart Thera Shoes for a while and have had no knee weakness. but...the tingling in my feet have started to get worse.  After seeing a shoe expert, it turns out I should be wearing 11 B (narrow size) vs. my 9 1/2 D.  The tingling is almost gone now...but by wearing normal shoes, the weakness is coming back.  Has anyone gone through this scenario?  Am hoping that I will get proper knee alignment now with the correct shoe size.  Any thoughts?  I can't believe that after seeing 4 Podiatrists that none of them ever checked my correct shoe size?  Am thinking about MBT shoes...but was really hoping that I could wear normal shoes instead. 

Not sure if a.k.a.: Thekaratekid will read this, but...how has your recovery been since your knee surgery?
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