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Offline gryphon

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A little background information. I'm 19, 6'2, and I weight 190lbs. I don't have any prior medical history and I'm pretty active and healthy otherwise. My family doesn't really have a history of arthritis either although my dad is starting to develop it now in his mid-50's. Last Feburary my knee started to hurt. It wasn't a big deal at first and I couldn't even really pinpoint where I was feeling the pain. I kind of felt it resonate throughout my entire leg whenever I stepped on my heel. But it wasn't a terrible pain so I held off on going to the clinic because the doctor would probably send me away anyway.

The pain stayed with me and began to get progressively worse, and at around the beginning of October it really began to swell up and it seriously killed to walk. I went to the emergency room in St. Joseph's Hospital in downtown Toronto and after a few hours of waiting the doctor took an x-ray and told me that he could not see anything immediately wrong with the leg. When I went back to Guelph (where I go to school), I went to see the campus sports doctor for a second opinion. At first he just perscribed Naprosyn and diagnosed me with having a torn meniscus. The pills did wonders and the swelling went down until I ran out of my perscription and didn't bother to get it renewed. I've been off the pills for a while now and the swelling is back, worse than ever. That same doctor arranged for me to get an MRI, and after we discussed the results he said that the meniscus looks fine and he essentially doesn't know what to tell me.

I'm hoping this forum sees a lot of similar cases and can maybe help me figure out what's wrong and what to do about it. Although honestly the most comforting thing I could hear is that it will eventually heal itself over time and I'll be able to run again.

Edit: The worst thing about it is that I can't straighten or bend my leg all the way. I assume it's because of the swelling, but it really sucks to have to deal with. I've tried forcing my leg to straighen but that just makes the swelling worse. I don't feel any pain when I walk on my toes though so that's good.

I also don't know if it is relevent but I've had quite a few problems with my sciatic nerve both a little before and during these problems. I think I pinched the nerve like 2 weeks after the pain started as wasn't able to walk very well.
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Re: Doctors have not been able to identify what is wrong with my knee
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2008, 02:45:41 PM »
Can you pinpoint now where the pain in your knee mostly is located and is the pain there always or only while weightbareing ?
The sciatic could be an issue that has with this to do. Did you ever mention that to the sports doctor ?
You should really have someone check the entire leg together with back and see how you walk, if you pronates with feet or something else that can make you get this pain.
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Re: Doctors have not been able to identify what is wrong with my knee
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2008, 08:09:34 PM »
At 19, your chances of having arthritis are slim and none.  MRIs don't always show all of your problems.  That said, you may want a second opinion.  Have you tried therapy?  Some simple stretching and leg exercises can do wonders.  A lot of us on here have had multiple knee surgeries.  Trust me, it's the last thing you want to happen to you. 

Best of luck.
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Re: Doctors have not been able to identify what is wrong with my knee
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2008, 09:05:59 PM »
Can you pinpoint now where the pain in your knee mostly is located and is the pain there always or only while weightbareing ?
The sciatic could be an issue that has with this to do. Did you ever mention that to the sports doctor ?
You should really have someone check the entire leg together with back and see how you walk, if you pronates with feet or something else that can make you get this pain.

The pain is still kind of hard to pinpoint but it feels like it's just above my knee somewhere. The pain isn't always there and yeah, I feel it only while weightbareing. I never mentioned it to the doctor but I guess I probably should next time I see him then. The sports doctor said that if it doesn't go away he could arrange for me to go see some kind of specialist about this.

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Re: Doctors have not been able to identify what is wrong with my knee
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2008, 09:07:26 PM »
At 19, your chances of having arthritis are slim and none.  MRIs don't always show all of your problems.  That said, you may want a second opinion.  Have you tried therapy?  Some simple stretching and leg exercises can do wonders.  A lot of us on here have had multiple knee surgeries.  Trust me, it's the last thing you want to happen to you. 

Best of luck.
That's good to know about the arthritis. I haven't tried therapy yet but my dad has been pressuring me to go for physio for a while now. Does it really help?

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Re: Doctors have not been able to identify what is wrong with my knee
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2008, 01:44:33 PM »
I just posted this on another thread. But I had a normal MRI twice when in fact, the first time I had a bucket handle tear of the lateral meniscus (sizeable) and the second time I had a chondral defect which is a divot in the articular cartilage and also had a piece of cartilage the size of 1/2 your pinky finger STUCK in the joint. All this never showed on MRI. If I didn't push, my OS would have never explored it surgically. I basically had to just about cry to him. Conservative is on thing, but sometimes it can be negligent if they don't address your concerns and your problems get worse.

I walked around for 6 months, maybe more with debris in the back of my knee which hindered my rehab and caused much discomfort. My OS kept saying work out harder, hire a trainer, get orthotics.... He based his decision on the MRI. When he looked at it, he said I would not operate on this knee, it looks fine, but it was NOT.

Can and DOES happen, sorry to tell you.
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Re: Doctors have not been able to identify what is wrong with my knee
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2008, 06:22:38 AM »
I just posted this on another thread. But I had a normal MRI twice when in fact, the first time I had a bucket handle tear of the lateral meniscus (sizeable) and the second time I had a chondral defect which is a divot in the articular cartilage and also had a piece of cartilage the size of 1/2 your pinky finger STUCK in the joint. All this never showed on MRI. If I didn't push, my OS would have never explored it surgically. I basically had to just about cry to him. Conservative is on thing, but sometimes it can be negligent if they don't address your concerns and your problems get worse.

I walked around for 6 months, maybe more with debris in the back of my knee which hindered my rehab and caused much discomfort. My OS kept saying work out harder, hire a trainer, get orthotics.... He based his decision on the MRI. When he looked at it, he said I would not operate on this knee, it looks fine, but it was NOT.

Can and DOES happen, sorry to tell you.

How does that story end? Is it back to normal or is it messed up for life?

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Re: Doctors have not been able to identify what is wrong with my knee
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2008, 03:19:40 PM »
Sadly, most people never get back to normal, at least preinjury normal even though they lie and say they are, they still have tweaks and sensations they NEVER had before the injury. They get a new normal which is good enough.

My story continues. It hasn't ended yet. I still have the nerve damage (well I think, not confirmed yet) and a grade 3 chondral defect to deal with (I believe this was due to original injury not result of surgeon or surgery). Though I'm a heck of a lot better than I was when I was first injured, I'm still on my journey to my new normal. I figure when i'm fairly happy with it, I'll let it go, but I know it can be better than it is now so I'm pursuing more. I feel like Michael Jackon sometimes. He was never satisfied with his face and kept getting "work done" and I'm not satisfied with my knee so I'm pursuing having more work done too. Okay, not funny....
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Re: Doctors have not been able to identify what is wrong with my knee
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2008, 05:17:25 AM »
Sorry to bump an old topic, but it looks like my leg has gotten better these last 3-4 months. I can now walk normally and I've even taken up running (about 4-5 miles a day). The knee still doesn't stretch as far as the other one, but I really can't complain. Two years of pain and now sudden relief. I can't say for sure whether this helped or not but my knee did seem to start getting better after I began wrapping it in cabbage overnight. Just thought I'd share in case there is more to it and maybe someone else could benefit from giving that a shot.

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Re: Doctors have not been able to identify what is wrong with my knee
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2008, 10:42:03 PM »
Hey, great to hear you are feeling better. Cabbage, egg rolls, a hamburger who cares what makes it feel better it does and that is great!

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Re: Doctors have not been able to identify what is wrong with my knee
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2008, 12:47:26 PM »
Thank you for sharing the good news and the tip. Cabbage is an excellent anti-inflammatory and was used as such for centuries in traditional European medicine, so I believe it helps.
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Re: Doctors have not been able to identify what is wrong with my knee
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2008, 05:42:15 PM »
I know I'm late responding, but Wolfman, that was plain hysterical.
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