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Rowing: how much better than running for the knees
« on: January 24, 2008, 11:38:27 PM »
Hey, how much better is rowing than running for someone wanting to prolong arthgritis (ive already had a chnondroplasty)

Bear in mind that rowing brings your knee to full flexion and full extension (nearly) at each stroke. The patella is put under pressure but not as much because you have a seat sliding underneath you to support your weight

any thoughts?

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Re: Rowing: how much better than running for the knees
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2008, 01:20:06 AM »
http://www.fitness-facts.com/cardio/48/?sport=Rowing+Machine,+Ergometer
 
or

http://books.google.com/books?id=SPEWfSPseQUC&pg=PA211&lpg=PA211&dq=rowing+and+chondromalacia&source=web&ots=gLCS_id-Hi&sig=MT8ABo9m5BafBxHHXIJ0Z_NIT2o



Rowing Machine, Ergometer Warnings
People with chronic lower back, knee, hip/pelvic, shoulder, ankle, elbow or wrist pain or injury should seek medical clearance before using a rowing machine.

Rowing Machine, Ergometer Risks
Lower back strain
Knee problems, such as chondromalacia (wearing away of the knee's underside)
Blisters or chafing of buttocks due to friction of moveable seats
Bursitis/tendinitis of wrist, knee


Those are the first two things that came up when I did a web search of curiosity....b/c that sounded like a great option to me too....sigh
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Re: Rowing: how much better than running for the knees
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2008, 01:49:10 AM »
I would say try it. For a period of a few years, rowing was the only exercise I could do (heck, I could barely walk).  I think a lot of problems with rowing have to do with having poor form, so unless you can have someone train you I would agree that it's a bad idea.

Something you can do to further limit impact to the knees it to put the erg on slides (if you look on the concept2 site, they show images).  This lowers the amount of weight and therefore the amount of pressure that you actually have to push.

If you haven't already, check out http://www.concept2.com/us/default.asp, they have a lot of resources on rowing and a forum with lots of folks who could give advice (many of those people had to give up running because of knee problems).


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Re: Rowing: how much better than running for the knees
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2008, 05:07:42 AM »
Guys, my rowing form is fine, iverowed internationally for ireland, i then gave up in 2004 and started running and then after 2 years of heavy milage, i got all these knee problems...im considering going back now and wondering how much better rowing would be vis-a-vis keeping my knee healthy, if i were to go back rowing, it would be to a high level, i.e. 70-100km a week, Henley Regatta standard

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Re: Rowing: how much better than running for the knees
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2008, 11:35:53 AM »
peterwww - ask a physio or OS, realistically here you are getting peoples personal opinions - but you need a professional opinion.

Generally speaking you want to avoid impact activities that 'pound' on the knee joint, but that engage your quads under resistance. I think rowing sounds good and was recommended to me in the past by a physio - but I dont have much in the way of arthritis so maybe that should be taken into consideration?
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Re: Rowing: how much better than running for the knees
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2008, 01:58:18 PM »
Peter,

I'd give it a try and see. Use the rule that I mentioned in one of your other posts - if the ache continues for more than 2 hours after the activity, or you ache the next day (the bone deep gnawing ache, not muscular aches) then cut back on the amount of the activity you do until the knee copes, then build it up slowly, or don't do the activity. If the activity causes sharp pain in the knee then it's best to avoid it. But give it a few goes first. I found swimming painful (kicking) the first time I tried it, but have since done it successfully - it just took a few goes to find out how to do it in a way that didn't hurt. And check with your physio and specialist. It's certainly not a high impact sport, though I can see how it may load the patellofemoral joint. I'd love to hear how you go. I'd like to do some rowing too, but just for fun and probably more in canoes and kayaks (less stress on the knees - mine are real crap!!).

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Kathy

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Re: Rowing: how much better than running for the knees
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2008, 09:05:15 PM »
Hello,

I don't know about rowing versus running for knee impact, but my PT has me using an elliptical trainer and both stationary and recumbent bikes.  These are low impact and non-jarring to the knees like running is.  Ellipticals give you a similar movement to running with very little impact at all.  It is a great cardiovascular exercise.  The type that have an adjustable ramp that the pedals glide on are best, and easier to start if your quads are weak (like mine).  All of these are good for building the quads and I recommend them, in addition to a PT-approved weightlifting routine to strengthen quads and hammies as well.  I also work calves and hip adductors/abductors.  I would definitely get PT or OS clearance before trying a rowing machine.  It doesn't sound like it would be high-impact, but I am not an expert at all.

Best of luck!

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Re: Rowing: how much better than running for the knees
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2008, 02:17:45 AM »
thanks for all the help guys















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