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Euflexxa injection series; will this really help?
« on: August 31, 2007, 12:57:20 AM »
I just finished a series of three weekly bilateral Euflexxa injections.  I have extensive damage in my knees, and am doing what I can to maintain my quality of life.  Has anyone with grade 3 and 4 chondromalacia and a large chondral defect had much lasting benefit from viscosupplementation injections? 

My Sports Med doc says that result vary (I kind of guessed that one), but it would help to hear from some that it helped, or didn't, for that matter.  I would really appreciate some input.

Thanks,

Kathy
1991 lft menisectomy
1994 lft ACL
1998 rt menisectomy
1999 rt ACL.
Large chondral defect, medial femoral condyle, grade 4 chondromalacia femoral trochlea, patellofemoral compartment lft knee Both shoulder acromioplasty, '01, '05 
'86 compression fracture of T-7
SI joint hypermobile & arthritis

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Re: Euflexxa injection series; will this really help?
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2007, 03:14:54 AM »
I believe you may already know deep down that these shots may or may not work.  I say go for it and than you would never regret not trying something to prevent a very major surgery. I look at knee replacements as you are backed into a corner with no other options.  The viscosupplementation is an option. While getting needles into your knee hurts.. It is far easier to try the supplements than being in pain and than trying to avoid things you like to do .. 


 I had another brand of viscosupplements in late April.  It was five shots on the fourth shot I had lost hope and was not being positive on the fifth shot. The weather got warmer. The rain stopped and I forced myself to walk each night.  By July I was in a bit of pain again and I got  cortizone shot and it took me over the hump..  and at the end of sept I am scheduled for another round.
Which is pretty good..  compared to what happened to my right knee.   I had it replaced last year and.. before I had it replaced my quality of life was finding enough courage to shove my butt out the door each day.  I had three orthovisc shots and while it took down some of the pain..  that knee was toast.. and it was just merely the time.. so if you are at the point where you want to rent a chain to drag yourself out of bed. down stairs out the door to a car..  I believe you are better off going for a knee replacement...than messing around with injections

The change of seasons impacts my knee pain during the year.   Whatever you choose I hope you pamper yourself and do what you feel is best for you.. at the end of the day that is what counts.  Nobody feels your pain but you.

Good luck with your two knees. I wish you good health

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Re: Euflexxa injection series; will this really help?
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2007, 03:54:55 AM »

Thanks, Plumb, just wanted to feel less alone, and you helped.  This series of Euflexxa does seem to be helping some.  I had hyalgen in 2003, Synvisc in 2005 (that one only helped about 6 weeks), and now this Euflexxa comes after an ACL revision reconstruction where the OS uncovered a lot of damage and missing articular cartilage. 

I am doing my PT and Aqua Moves water aerobics, buying and cooking fresh produce, and all the good stuff.  I put 13,000 steps on my pedometer today, which was probably a bit much, but it was such a nice day.  In the back of my mind I'm preparing myself for the inevitable TKR, but am in no hurry.  Until, of course, I start thinking about getting a handicapped parking pass or admiring canes of people at the grocery store, or calling for the Jaws of Life to get me out of bed.  I'm hoping your replacement went well and the rehab wasn't too bad.  I can work through a lot to get to the other side.  I'm encouraged by the advances being made in replacements techniques.

I get to spend three days in Las Vegas next week with a friend going to a convention, so I can treat myself to swimming, walking through plushly carpeted casinos, and all that good stuff.  I may take the bus out to 24 Hour Fitness; I have an all club membership, and that is where I go to Aqua Moves classes.  It's fun to visit one away from home.

See, I sound more positive already.

Thanks again,

Kathy

1991 lft menisectomy
1994 lft ACL
1998 rt menisectomy
1999 rt ACL.
Large chondral defect, medial femoral condyle, grade 4 chondromalacia femoral trochlea, patellofemoral compartment lft knee Both shoulder acromioplasty, '01, '05 
'86 compression fracture of T-7
SI joint hypermobile & arthritis

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Re: Euflexxa injection series; will this really help?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2007, 06:48:25 AM »
Hi - You sound a lot like me.  Both knees are all messed up, big roaring pain days from time to time, then unaccountably I have a good day.  Pills, injections (2nd series this time of Synvisc didn't do much), lots of supplements, going to the gym and doing everything possible to get the strongest legs in the world as a hedge against TKR, which I'm thinking it's maybe time for after the holidays.  Hard to get up from the chair some days because the change in position hurts so much - bone on bone rubbing and sometimes I can't bear weight on my left knee for a few minutes when I go to stand up, until whatever's rubbing in there arranges itself.  I get all pissed off when I can't/don't want to do something normal, like shopping...I have a cane in the car but don't ever use it (can't bring myself to do it), but I gave in to the handicapped placard and it's one of my prized possessions at this point!  All this and I work out at the gym more than most people half my age (I'm 54).  So I dunno - I just keep doing everything/anything anyone suggests.
Went to the OS last week to see if maybe he could do something with the glitchy stuff floating around in both knees, but he looked at my xrays and said he thought it would probably not be good to do another arthroscopy on either side since he thought I had so much damage it was time for a TKR, and started talking to me about getting them both done at once (he doesn't do them himself but has referrals).  YIKES.  So, I'm working up to thinking about it.
I'm leaving Mon. for an Alaskan cruise.  Had the Synvisc as an effort to get the ability to walk without as much pain, but didn't get much relief so am getting on the ship with a folding cane a bottle of my pain pills!  I may be a little loaded but by golly I'll be on that glacier in Juneau.
- Denise
1/2005 first meniscectomy
6/2005 second one
severe osteoarthritis both knees
10/06 Hyalgen injection series
8/07 Synvisc injections
Pain meds, exercise, massage!
2/27/08 bilateral TKR's plus a bonus emergency arterial graft
5/14/08 doing better, ROM R124 and L138!

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Re: Euflexxa injection series; will this really help?
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2007, 06:40:52 PM »
Hi, Denise,

So, you're on an Alaskan cruise now, right?  That sounds wonderful.  I've checked the weather for my trip to Vegas, and it looks like 101 every day.  I was just online checking the Aqua Moves schedule and then the bus schedules.  I may stick with the hotel pool if it isn't too crowded.

I used to climb mountains back in college, and stood on a few glaciers, but what's left of the ones I climbed on are nothing like the magic in Alaska.  It sounds heavenly.  I hope you're having an awesome trip and you're having lots of good days.  Oh, by the way, I wear Life is Good clothes alot; have a shirt on now; wore a hat to a soccer match yesterday.  Life is Good!

Kathy


1991 lft menisectomy
1994 lft ACL
1998 rt menisectomy
1999 rt ACL.
Large chondral defect, medial femoral condyle, grade 4 chondromalacia femoral trochlea, patellofemoral compartment lft knee Both shoulder acromioplasty, '01, '05 
'86 compression fracture of T-7
SI joint hypermobile & arthritis

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Re: Euflexxa injection series; will this really help?
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2007, 06:40:54 AM »
Hi - went to Alaska and it was just wonderful.  The most beautiful scenery anywhere in the world is my bet.  The mountains and trees just march right down to the coastline and seem to almost push the towns off into the water.  We had lovely weather, only rained one day.  The ship was great (Holland America) and the excursions were a lot of fun and interesting.  I used my pain meds and iced my knees a lot, but still had a fair amount of trouble and didn't feel like doing a huge amount of walking most of the time. But I was on the glacier.  It was pretty great.
I came home with the understanding that I really want the knee replacements.  Ridiculous to be my age and to want to do everything I can, want to travel, etc., and limit myself.  So off we go to the clinic my friend referred me to, xrays in hand, to get a consult and see if it really is time.  I have an appt on 10/26 with the surgeon.  In the meantime I'm having increasing difficulty bearing weight on my left knee, esp. upon change of position (like from sitting to standing), and still having a lot of aching, clicking, catching, bone on bone grinding in both knees.

We shall see.
Hope Vegas was good and that you had at least one experience that you want to leave there!
-Denise
1/2005 first meniscectomy
6/2005 second one
severe osteoarthritis both knees
10/06 Hyalgen injection series
8/07 Synvisc injections
Pain meds, exercise, massage!
2/27/08 bilateral TKR's plus a bonus emergency arterial graft
5/14/08 doing better, ROM R124 and L138!

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Re: Euflexxa injection series; will this really help?
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2007, 05:05:23 PM »
I am new to this site and was just reading your postings.   Have you had the TKR done?  Please do not have both done at the same time.  I am a paramedic and transport patients on the ambulance who have done this and the recovery is hard to deal with for them.  It does get both done at the same time but PT and just getting around is tough.  I hope you are better now. 

I had Supartz injections (5) in Jan. 2005 and after a few weeks started to feel relief.  That lasted almost 2 years.   ;D   In Dec. 06 I had Euflexxa injections (3) and have had some relief but not as good as the first time.   :(  I am now having a new problem with popping and pain on the lateral side of my left knee.  Do you have any advice about how to keep the knee from popping and hurting?  I am afraid I will fall when it happens because it almost knocks me down. 
Any advice would be greatly appreciated,
Carmen

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Re: Euflexxa injection series; will this really help?
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2007, 05:28:58 PM »
HI CARMEN
I had bilateral in Nov 06 and did have to have an MUA but I am REALLY glad I had it done that way. There is also a woman who had bilateral in 2 months ago ( costumer ) she has a post OP diary going now and she also is happy with how she had it done. Also there is a woman who is having bilateral tomorrow (DEEZ) and she also has a diary started. We bilaterals had it done that way for many personal reasons but to be sure mostly because we had to. If you have to rehab 1 you might as well rehab 2. You are right you who transport these people do see them in the worse condition. Yes with two there is a greater chance of comps. but if you do need a bilateral it is very doable.        BTW WELCOME to KNEEGEEKS!!!!!

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Re: Euflexxa injection series; will this really help?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2007, 02:22:40 AM »
Hi Carmen, and welcome!

I just wanted to add that for many of us with bilateral knee issues, bilateral TKR is the only way to go. It's either have pain in each leg from the TKR or have TKR pain in one leg and arthritic pain in the other, which gets worse due to relying on it as the "good leg". I am a long way off from mine (I hope) but I will be doing it bilaterally because I don't trust either of my knees to hold me up if one is out of action, so I may as well do them both.

What's your diagnosis? I get lots of grating, grinding and crunching sounds from my knees due to the cartilage damage, and there is nothing I can do apart from avoid doing anything that creates the noise (so 1/4 squats only for me). Is it just the one knee giving you trouble? I am glad you got some relief from the injections. It's something I haven't tried yet. Too uncertain for me.

Cheers,
Kathy

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Re: Euflexxa injection series; will this really help?
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2007, 05:11:42 PM »
I just had a spartz injection yesterday..  This is the second go round.  It is helping with the knee pain and the grinding and vibrating. Today is not that bad .. I can walk on the knee.  It all comes down too how messed up your knee is.. and how strong your muscles are..















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