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Tips for reaching the floor!!
« on: June 10, 2007, 06:23:33 PM »
For the last 20 odd years I've been very good at bending my knees not my back, having a chronic disc problem at l4.

Now my left knee is not functioning to well, I'm  currntly waiting for an MRI to see if I have a meniscal tear thats causing both the bakers cyst and the pain and swelling I have, I'm struggling to find the best way to reach into low cupboards, or to pick up things on the floor.

I'm guessing that this is a common enough problem, so can any one share hints and tips to overcome the problems?
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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2007, 06:46:17 PM »
Hello rm185western,

Have you tried one of those grabber things ? My freind got 2 of them when she had her hip replaced. Personally I make my kids get stuff out of the lower cabinets, or they have to help me off the floor.

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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2007, 11:58:34 PM »
maybe I'll have a look at the grabber, it's just frustrating that I have my kitchen so poorly organised.
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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2007, 12:25:41 AM »
Hi;
  Listen I got one of those grabbers at Walmart and it works like a charm. I'm only 5 feet tall, so anything in the high cabinets or anything on the floor is outta reach for me. I'm trying to get over a PKR on 3/22/07 and the revision on 3/17/07. I had to have something, because if I get on the floor, I'm there until I get some help getting up or until I can scoot to a chair to pull up. Try one of the grabbers, I really like the one I have.


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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2007, 10:38:33 AM »
the grabbers are great, also if it helps get a little stool and keep it in the kitchen (only works if you can get up from it easily), then you can sit down to reach lower. hope you feel better soon!
1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2007, 05:17:27 PM »
I hadn't thought of the stool, stroke of genius. I think that there is a low stool down in the basement, left by the previous owner of the house. I'll have to send the husband down to the far reaches to have a look, when he is down there fetching up the laundry for me, there are a couple of benefits to not being able to do stairs so well! I'm sure that will be a great help. I have now got the Doberman trained as a support if I have to get right down to the floor, he is a big lad so is quite good at giving a helping paw if needed, but now the weather is good he is out most of the time.
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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2007, 09:08:04 AM »
hope that idea works out for you - I discovered the joys of small stools after Id had my surgery (18 years ago) - they work great in the kitchen because you can use the handles on drawers/cupboards to help haul youself up if you get stuck also.
I also find there are benefits to not being able to do certain household jobs - I have convinced my partner that I cannot clean the oven because I cant knee for that long :)
Thats cool about your dog - animals are great at helping out!!
1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
1988 - Modified Hauser Procedure
1991 - dislocations started again
2005 to 2007 - 150 dislocations in 2 years - OUCH!!!
June 2007 - new OS, new physio
Oct 2007 - VMO woke up
Mar 2008 - big quads, still dislocating
Apr 2008 - next OS app

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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2007, 06:39:04 PM »
Like I said, a genius!!!!!!!! I actually managed to convince him on Christmas eve, when my old oven died for good, that a self cleaning oven would be good, and as that was all they had in stock in the store (top of the range job) and if we didn't buy it there would be no Christmas dinner, the oven cleaning thing is sorted.  ;D
My biggest problem so far is finding a way to clean the bath, haven't cracked not kneeling for that one, may have to invest on one of these 'cleaner on a stick' things, I don't think that my main folk are trainable for that, and it narks me as well, cos I can only shower, the whole back/knee combination is ruling out the bath :-[
6th Dec 2007 arthoscropy, major debridement and meniscus trimmed
Jan 08 2008 Arthritis grade 2/3 told to wait until TKR needed.
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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2007, 08:45:57 PM »
best bath cleaning tip: get someone else to do it :)
next best bath cleaning tip - very hot water and lemon juice and small amount of bleach, fill bath, leave 20 mins, come back, cloth on a stick, wipe down walls and bottom of bath (with water still in it). The lemon juice will work on the grease and bath 'scum' - should save on scrubbing, and cloth on a stick will stop you having to bend into it!
hope that works!

im the opposite to you - Im too unstable to balance on the slippy shower floor so I only use the bath!
1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
1988 - Modified Hauser Procedure
1991 - dislocations started again
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June 2007 - new OS, new physio
Oct 2007 - VMO woke up
Mar 2008 - big quads, still dislocating
Apr 2008 - next OS app

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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2007, 01:19:54 AM »
Yup, the get someone else to do it would be good, but I'm taking their training slowly, looks like it may be a long road back to normality, so don't want to frighten them yet. Have got them taking laundry up and down to the cellar, and they can actually work the machine as well,  ;D ;D ;D, they also jump out to open the gates around the farm, rather than watching me struggle. What battles are you fighting, you have a lot of good coping stratetegies there, so guess that it's an ongoing thing, I hope it's not related to the surgery way back?
6th Dec 2007 arthoscropy, major debridement and meniscus trimmed
Jan 08 2008 Arthritis grade 2/3 told to wait until TKR needed.
August 2010 Left knee arthroscopy

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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2007, 09:19:59 AM »
hi,
a lot of my coping strategies developed over the years since surgery - I had around 60/70 dislocations in 16 years since surgery and in the past 2 ive had 150 - so ive spent quite a lot of time not being able to use my leg properly - hence the strategic methods round the house!!!
Im currently trying to get strength back into my leg after years of compensation - the OS says he thinks surgery can be avoided if we get the leg strong - although I often find that I get the strength back with physio then I unconsciously compensate in everyday life and lose the gains Ive made...its frustrating. My OS says I need a lifestyle change, back to cycling as a mode of transport instead of driving or swimming every day or so. He says I have a lot of 'neural inhibition' from all the dislocations over the years - my brain just keeps saying 'dont use that leg'.
Ill be well happy to avoid another surgery but I dont know yet if thats a realistic goal...time will tell.......MRI this friday to look at internal damage - dont know if its too bad, lot of crunching, but its been like that years and no pain....only pain is dislocations!!
when is your MRI?
tanya

1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
1988 - Modified Hauser Procedure
1991 - dislocations started again
2005 to 2007 - 150 dislocations in 2 years - OUCH!!!
June 2007 - new OS, new physio
Oct 2007 - VMO woke up
Mar 2008 - big quads, still dislocating
Apr 2008 - next OS app

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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2007, 09:05:47 PM »
Now thats a horror story. I can understand that neural inhibition thing, the Chiropractor said much the same about my back, it was so well trained, that the least little thing would put it into a violent spasm as the muscles ganged up to prevent damage, trouble is every time they did it I was in so much pain I was unable to move. I suppose from the bodies point of view it makes sense, but I'm glad that we have, touch wood, got that one cracked.

Good luck on Friday, I hope that you can avoid another surgery with a few lifestyle changes, but that is sometimes easier said than done. I'm glad I don't have that whole crunching thing, mine is just painful and swollen. I stil have no idea when my MRI is, it's so frustrating. I wish they would let you know that they have your details anyway, and that they will send an appointment sometime. I've been chatting on a local forum and it seems to be a year or so before you get an MRI!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Not sure if I can wait that long. There is no option of having a private scan done here, and even if I go out of province it won't work, because the OS is not allowed to accept out of province diagnostics :o :o
6th Dec 2007 arthoscropy, major debridement and meniscus trimmed
Jan 08 2008 Arthritis grade 2/3 told to wait until TKR needed.
August 2010 Left knee arthroscopy

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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2007, 08:52:45 AM »
i think my knee history sounds worse than it actually was for me - of the 60/70 dislocations I had in the 16 years after surgery only around 10 of them actually hurt - the rest of the time Id just go 'ooops, knee out again, hang on there', Id relocate it and just carry on like nothing happened - sounds bizarre, but I was just so used to it that I didnt take much notice!!

The last 2 years have been hard though, a lot of secondary problems have come into play - weak and sore hips, no balance, constant instability. But with a bit of luck this ew physio will help. That neural inhibition thing is such a pain!!! I left physio on Monday and I quite literally felt like my leg was 'alive' - most of the time I feel like Im dragging it round after me - i assume it was because they gave me such a long work out and did ultra sound, tens etc... got the blood flowing to the relevant parts, woke the muscles up!! I just wish it felt alive every day!!!

Thats not nice about your back - has that been sorted out now - or do you still have back problems? Did you manage to break the neural inhibition? Im interested to know if it is something that can be corrected. I keep wondering if my brain will ALWAYS try not to use that leg...


That sounds like a long time to wait to get an MRI!!! Can the OS insist on you getting one earlier than that? When is your next OS appointment? Could you get him to refer you to someone out of province so that you could get a private scan done and interpeted elsewhere?
Im having mine done privately - it means Ive to pay quite a bit for it but my health insurance wont cover anything to do with my knee for another couple of years - 'pre-existing problem' :(
My physio said to bring the MRI results to her so she can have a look at them, I wont see OS again til 9th August - so Ill get a results preview off the physio. Ill post results on this site too for a translation. I think the OS only ordered it to cover himself, he really seemed definite all my problems were from muscle wastage.
1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
1988 - Modified Hauser Procedure
1991 - dislocations started again
2005 to 2007 - 150 dislocations in 2 years - OUCH!!!
June 2007 - new OS, new physio
Oct 2007 - VMO woke up
Mar 2008 - big quads, still dislocating
Apr 2008 - next OS app

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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2007, 10:32:15 PM »
Hi there, yes, stopping and having to pop your knee back does sound bizarre, but as you say you kind of get used to things. I bet that the whole instability thing as the worse, I hope that they can get that one sorted for you, that just makes you worry the whole time in case you are going to tumble, I bet.
The back thing, touch a whole forest, was eventually cleared up. After years of 'care' from the NHS, here are your painkillers, go and rest, here are your stronger painkillers go and rest more, I gave up and managed the back with the chiropractor and exersise. I then went to work for a company where I had private health care as part of the package. I had a bad episode with my back, was off for three weeks, went back to work and managed to put it out worse after being in the office for an hour! :o :o Had another month of, and suddenly the insurance company covered it for me. Saw a specialist, had an MRI, found potruding discs, had 2 lots of injections, and some physio, within 6 months was just about painfree. Now it tries to 'sieze' every now and then, but if I get to the relaxation exersises straight away, so far I can stop it actually locking the whole thing, so far score 6 to 0 in my favour ;D ;D ;D.

I'm still working out how the system works here in Canada, this is my first real involvement, I haven't seen an OS yet, only my family Doc, and the physio (who seems to be the most knowledgeable about knees) I have now been in contact with our local Quality of Care Coordinator who is currnely investigating whats happening for me, and she has access to all waiting lists, so may have to take the 4 hour journey to our next nearest city, or possibly go out of Province. I'll let you know how this one goes.
6th Dec 2007 arthoscropy, major debridement and meniscus trimmed
Jan 08 2008 Arthritis grade 2/3 told to wait until TKR needed.
August 2010 Left knee arthroscopy

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Re: Tips for reaching the floor!!
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2007, 10:21:39 AM »
hi,
Yes - I do feel like Im going to tumble a lot - i get nervous in crowds too.
It certainly sounds like youve gotten the back situation sorted - but you really went through the mill to get there!!! Thats terrible about the NHS - I used to find the same on the public health system here, they would send me to physio and Id be discharged without getting back to full function. The surgeon said to me that he thinks Ive never been brought back to full function since surgery 18 years ago - and up until 2 years ago I was always in the public system. They just dont have the resources and there is no continuity. I used to have to go for follow up appointments every 6 months or so about my knee and each time it was a different OS assistant, so itd be me telling the same story over and over......just a waste of time. I stopped going to the appointments back in the late 90s - because I felt it was a time wasting exercise.

Yes - Ill be interested to hear how that works out for you - there must be a way of getting an MRI without having to wait for a year - surely more damage could be done in a year while you wait??? The physios are very knowledgeable arent they? Ive found some of them to be as good as OS's - mind you they have much better people skills generally speaking. My OS has very bad people skills :) I try not to take it personally!!!
Has your family doc referred you to an OS or do they want an MRI done first? If you saw an OS he could probably push for a faster MRI?

MRI today for me - I dont know if Ill get the results or will the be sent straight to the OS. Ive to get skyline view x-rays also. I hope they do give me the MRI results directly - I want to post them here for an english translation!!

1986 - recurrent dislocations of right patella began
1988 - Modified Hauser Procedure
1991 - dislocations started again
2005 to 2007 - 150 dislocations in 2 years - OUCH!!!
June 2007 - new OS, new physio
Oct 2007 - VMO woke up
Mar 2008 - big quads, still dislocating
Apr 2008 - next OS app