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Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« on: May 28, 2007, 12:56:27 AM »
Hi All

Before telling you my situation, hear my past. 10 years ago I had back surgery (Spinal Fusion ) I have a plate and 2 screws in my back. My back surgery was successful...it's never been stronger...only side effect was my right thigh felt numb.


I have been to this forum several times hoping to see a case like mine to understand my problem. 4 months ago at work (Courier Driver) I deliver everything from small packages to car engines. After off loading and carrying 20- 50 lbs pails of paint up 3 flights of stairs for contractors I felt a slight burn in my right thigh (it went from feeling numb to feeling Tense). Later the night when I was watching TV I felt a "ripping" feeling in my knee and the pain has been severe like a toothache. Since that day I can no longer straighten my leg nor bend it fully. My family Doctor ordered an x-ray and it showed  early signs of arthritis.

 If I had arthritis would I experience relief with weather? My pain continues regardless of weather conditions. Rest over the weekend does help with the pain but my back suffers due to being inactive.  In the area I live it takes 2 weeks to get a Doctors appointment and the wait is at least 3 hours after the appointed time. I have an appointment this Tuesday...hopefully he can arrange for a specialist to view my case in a different town. I then expect the specialist to order an MRI. Meanwhile I'm still working full-time and I feel swelling in back of my other knee. If my left knee fails, I'll be out of a job.

Conclusion; Work irratates my my knee...but rest helps....Rest irratates my back and work (activities) help.

Any ideas what this may be? I limp constantly and the pain is felt on the inside/front of the knee.  I'm at the point where I'd like my leg amputated for relief so I can continue on with my work. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2007, 06:06:08 AM »
I would get the back looked at instead as you got sense back in your thigh after 10 years of less sense. A knee pain doesn't have to come from the knee, could be problems with the back. Has your family doctor looked at your back ?
Also try se a OS instead, will be able to give you right diagnosis.
And please don't say that you want the leg amputated after 4 months of pain, there are people here on this board who has suffered for years that even wouldn't consider amputation. And I doubt that any doc would do that on you.
Try get referal to a OS(orthopedic surgeon) and get both knee and back checked. Good luck to you.
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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2007, 01:16:36 PM »
I agree with Nettan. Just go to the doctor and get them both checked out. So it takes two weeks, big deal. If you do nothing in two weeks you'll still be sitting around in pain. And, no you won't find someone to amputate your leg. Geesh, I've lived 34 years in knee pain and that's just my knee...

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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2007, 12:49:30 AM »
Hi All

Thanks for the replies...since my last posting my back gave out. Still waiting for appointments to see a knee and now back specialists. MRI was refused because of the metal plate but I had an x-ray of the knee and cat-scan of my back. Verdict so far is knee shows signs of artheritis and cat-scan shows the plate and screws seem OK but the fusion might have failed. So now I'm just waiting to see the specialists for thier x-rays and cat-scans to find out exactly what is going on. I just hate not being able to do what I can. I'm bored out of my mind...I just want things the way they were...go to work and play with my hobbies. Sorry to rant...I'm just so fed up!! It's been 5 months now and no appointment with the knee .specialists..lord knows how long it will be to see the back specialists. My family Doctor thinks they both may be related. Thanks for your help

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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2007, 06:45:46 PM »
Hi RC,

I so sympathise with you here, I have the exact same catch 22, if I rest my knee the back complains, if I keep my back happy the knee complains, you feel like you just can't win. Also really feel for the whole waiting side of things, first saw the doc in Jan because of the knee, and finally have OS appointment for 26th Sept.

I can't offer any wonderful insights into your problem, but feel free to rant here, it does make you feel better, and I find folk round here are usually more sympathetic than the family, cos they can understand the battles you are having.
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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2007, 03:04:31 AM »
Thanks for the kind words rm185wester

It does feel good to vent and release the frustrations..I just get those moments. Today wasn't too bad...After taking the meds and relaxing a bit I was able to brush my teeth and shave while leaning forward. Before it was just a mess trying to do that. I got out for a short walk...weather was great..and visited the local farmers market to purchase a few things. My wife was off today and that made it all the better. I'm glad you have your appointment scheduled already....I hope everything goes well for you. Keep in touch please  :)

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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2007, 08:17:34 AM »
It crazy isn't it, you brush your teeth for years without thinking about it, then wham the back goes, and it suddenly becomes a major issue.
My big problem is trying to manage, having spending years being very careful to bend my knees and not my back, then the knee goes and it all goes pear shape ;D ;D ;D
The back has been sending warning shots because if the resting, so I treated myself to a massage this week, it was great, came out and went to reverse the car out, and found out that I could look over my shoulder to see behind, what bliss!
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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2007, 11:59:11 PM »
Hi rm185wester

I'm glad to hear the massage helped. I might look into that myself one of these days. Have you ever tried physio?...my doctor has never mentioned it...but I can't imagine anyone trying to bend my knee...I would go out of my mind. Perhaps physio is after a scoping or surgery to fix a knee.

I know what you mean by warning shots, I have been trying short walks and my body tells me when its time to stop. So much for trying to push the limits. But I'm glad I'm managing it better to control the pain. When I'm relaxed I try to stay of the meds as much as I can. I just need to focus on a hobby or something to pass the time. Do you have any hobbies?

Thanks for writing

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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2007, 04:30:31 AM »
Hi there, I'm currently in physio trying to get some good movement in the knee, the flexion is pretty good, but extension isn't happening yet, but it does feel that I am doing something positive to help myself and I think that's important. I've also splashed out and treated myself to a recumbant exersise bike, I figure that it will help me get mobility in my knee, without straining the back. It should be here this week, I'll let you know how that goes, I'm not a natural exersiser, but as I say for me it's about fighting back in anyway I can

I'm seriously p*ssed off today, I was feeling pretty good, so instead of sending one of my menfolk down to do some laundry, which is in the basement, I went myself. Got so cocky that I thought I would walk up the stairs one at a time, not using the 'mummy walk' and guess what, it didn't work. Got a sudden horrible pain in my left knee, so now I'm back on the couch, popping pills and elevating.

My hobby which I would love to be doing is working with my horses. I have two youngsters born last year who I would like to work with, but that's not possible just now. Fortunatley I just love to read, so I'm currently reading my way through my book collection, including a whole box full that I hadn't unpacked from our last move 18 months ago. Hope today was a good day for you, let me know how you're doing

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Jan 08 2008 Arthritis grade 2/3 told to wait until TKR needed.
August 2010 Left knee arthroscopy

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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2007, 01:42:46 AM »
Hi rm185western
I hope the bike works out.for you Please let me know. I know I hate doing laundry but we get by as a team here. You should have not tackled the stairs alone. You went to work out of guilt for your family which is honorable. Bottom line is ...you can only do what you can.
And when somone feels ill...then help out. I'm glad to see you have the horses to help keep you busy. :) I hope the best for you  :)

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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2007, 08:39:51 PM »
The bike has arrived, well it's in town anyway, we don't get deliveries where we live, so have to go up and pick it up, I'll let you know how it works.

Yes I know that I shouldn't of been going down to the basement, although I can do it if I take my time and don't try and carry anything, but it's frustrating when it's a good drying day and I have to wait for someone to come in. The family have pointed out that I'm very like my mother, that was a wake up call, as I've been complaining for years that she will get up and rush around after people, even though she struggles a bit with mobility.

I find my physio helps, I've been doing my exersises, very gently at the moment, and i is helping my range of movement. The ultra sound therapy may or may not be helping, but it's a relaxing way to spend some time, so I keep going with it.

Because I can't see the OS until September I figure that I need to do as much as I can with PT and NWB exersise so I'm in the best shape that I can be before I go, that way hopefully if there is a surgical fix, he won't send me away to get fit.

Hope that your having a better time now, and that at least the back has calmed down a bit, any news on any more appointments to look further into the problem?
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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2007, 09:05:31 PM »
I have no appointments as of yet. Hopefully I'll hear something soon. I am interested in hearing how the bike works...it will probably be a week or so before you know of any difference. Can you fill me in on what "NWB exercises are? I'll have to get myself in shape too, I'm noticing now that I'm eating less each day now. Before I ate out of boredom, but watching what I eat has helped. Yes I'm still happy that I'm in control of my back pain....just don't push things to far. But my knee is a nagging constant reminder something is wrong LOL. I just dread having a fall...or worse fall on my knee. To help with my boredom my wife told all our neighbors I'm good with computers. So the last few days I have been busy fixing and tutoring people. It's actually a lot of fun....gets me out of the apartment too. Good luck getting your bike today...I sure hope it helps :) 

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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2007, 05:05:22 AM »
I'll keep my fingers crossed that you get to see domeone soon, I think the waiting is worse, for me I would be happier if someone could put a label on my problem, of course it would be better still to get it fixed, but I so want to know what it is.

Sorry for the initials, to lazy to type, non weight bearing exersise! My physio has me doing a range of stretches and bends with my leg, and also some resistance work, using a big elastic band thing, sometimes it feels better than others but it's certainly helping my range of movement, even if the pain is still there.

I've had 4 sessions on the bike now and it feels really great, the back is really feeling the benefit already, there seems to be less tension in the lower back. It really feels good to get the leg muscles working on both legs, and it doesn't appear to stress the knee at all. The only worry I have is that this evening I could feel the knee clicking as I went, and it's never done that before. Glad I've got physio on Monday, so I can check things out.

Good luck with the computer fixing and tutoring, sounds like a great way to pass the time, so many people need help in that dept, I'm lucky that my sonis handy there, he's built several systems from scratch, and can usually sort out any program issues for me.
6th Dec 2007 arthoscropy, major debridement and meniscus trimmed
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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2007, 09:46:00 AM »
Thats great news about the bike, I'm glad it's working out for you. Did you find out any info on the clicking in your knee? I get the clicks too. Still waiting on appointments here. My family doctor already started to title my knee problem. After viewing the x-ray he said arthritis...or it could be related to your back.......I'm like you...I know it's not arthritis....because I never have good and bad days...and weather has no effect. I have talked to people suffering from arthritis and they can kneel down & bend the knee all the way. My knee hurts whenever it bares weight...so I'm constantly limping when I walk. The computers are still keeping me busy :)  How long do you bike each day....does it hurt the knee pushing down on the peddle? I hope all is going well for you  :)

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Re: Problem with my right knee, month 4 and no relief
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2007, 05:20:42 PM »
well it seems like I over did the bike a bit, both in time spent and the amount of extension I was trying to get. When I went to PT on Monday, my leg was more swollen amd I had lost some of the movement that I had gained. So now I'm down to one ten minute session a day, and have had to adjust it so my leg is not quite so straight at full extension. The beautiful thing about a recumbent bike is that you dont push down so much on the pedals, because the seat is low, you'r legs are out in front of you, so it feels more like a stretch than a push down. The worst problem is that my son keeps using it, there are 2 clues that he has been on, first the left pedal is in the wrong place, I always leave it at the right angle for easily getting my foot on and off, secondly he winds the resistance way up to 8 or 9, I always have it set on 2 ;D

Do you use a cane when you are walking, I do now and I find that it does help to take some of the stress off of the bad knee, but joy of joys it hurts the rumbling tennis elbow that I have, but if I wear the strap around my fore arm, it's OK. It's just hard to adjust to having the outward trappings of an injury.

I'm glad the computers are keeping you busy, my *"^$%^*( system is keeping me busy. I did the farm accounts nearky up to date the other day, but suddenly noticed that there was way to much money showing in the bank account, and nice as it was I knew it wasn't right. I could see that one large outgoing wasn't showing. Rather than sorting it out then, as I should, I was fed up so decided I would leave it and go back to it when I felt like a battle. Well tried to go back to it and it tells me that the data base is corrupted and it wont load >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(. Now I do back it up reguarly, but didn't at the end of the last session, so can restore it to the version before the last lot of entries BUT, because it had already lost an entry from way back, I'm going to have to double check all reciepts and bank entries, way back to Jan, not a happy bunny :'(

Keep pushing for a full diagnoses, it's possible that the xray does show arthritic changes, but that doesn't mean that is what is going on now, I would be suspicous of the back as you've had so many problems with it.

Good luck
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Jan 08 2008 Arthritis grade 2/3 told to wait until TKR needed.
August 2010 Left knee arthroscopy















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