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Newbie - Stabbing Pain in Knee
« on: May 08, 2007, 01:27:20 PM »
I'm new here so hi to everyone and apologies if I've posted in the wrong section.

I injured my knee 18 days ago. I was doing martial arts at the time (tae kwon do) and was standing on my left leg, kicking with my right. As I brought my right leg up to kick I went to pivot on my left foot but my foot stayed put on the ground as my upper body went to turn. Consequently me knee went backwards and inwards (I think).

I instantly got blinding pain in my knee and had to stop. I sat down for a minute or so but then I had to get back up and carry on as I was in the middle of grading for my black belt. Instead of continuing to spar using my legs I decided I'd just use my hands until the whole thing was over. My knee was really painful but adrenaline kept me going until I stumbled backwards and my knee buckled again and only by grabbing at the wall did I avoid falling over.

Luckily that was the end of the practical stuff and I was able to sit for about an hour with my leg resting on a chair. There was no ice available so I just took some ibuprofen and rubbed some ibuprofen gel into my knee. After that hour I got up and my knee buckled again but this time I was being very cautious and was anticipating it. I kept it bent and limped out of the venue....onto a bus....into a car....drove for 4 hours....climbed 3 flights of stairs......and then collapsed on the sofa.

I rested it completely the next day and the following day limped into work, back home again and then more rest. At no point did it swell up.

After about 1 week the pain in my knee had subsided to just a dull ache and at 10 days I was moving around normally without pain most of the time.

Now I only get mild pain when I go down stairs (going up is OK) and intense pain when I bend my knee more that just a little. For example, I was in a shop yesterday and went to crouch down to look at something on a low shelf and the pain was so bad I actually yelped! Other times, I go to tuck my legs under my chair and I get the pain or when I go to step over the edge of the bath.  I still occassionally get instability but perhaps just twice per day when I fully straighten it.

I went to a physio 7 days ago and got some ultrasound massage and electric shock therapy (don't know what the technical term is!). They were rubbish to be honest and a total waste of money as they never told me what was wrong, never told me if there were any exercises I could do and weren't interested in seeing me again. It really hasn't made any difference - no pain 90% of the time then intense pain when I bend it!

I didn't go to see my GP as I knew they'd just tell me to rest it and give it time. However, I did go to see my GP this morning for the first time and he examined my knee. He commented that I have unusually flexible ligaments (my knees, thumbs, little fingers and elbows all hyperextend) but he was unable to tell me what I have done to my knee other than it's something to do with the ligaments. I specifically asked him if the stabbing pain in my knee when I bend it could be attributable to ligament damage and he said yes but wasn't able to tell me anything more.

My questions are:
  • has anyone else experienced something similar?
  • any ideas what I might have done?
    how can I help my knee improve?
    how long will I experience this stabbing pain when bending?

Any info would be very much appreciated.

PS - I was successful in obtaining my black belt so to some extent a knee injury was worth it.....
« Last Edit: May 08, 2007, 01:41:26 PM by tkdally »

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Re: Newbie - Stabbing Pain in Knee
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2007, 01:37:54 PM »
Hi

Read your posting this morning -   however most Doctor`s dont understand problems withy the knee.

It is now very important for you to take steps to see an Orthopaedic Consultant in order to have a MRI scan done on your know.

Sounds like from your description that you have torn something, but only a MRI can highlight your problem.

DONT DELAY


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Re: Newbie - Stabbing Pain in Knee
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2007, 01:45:34 PM »
I definitely agree with John. Make an appointment with an orthopedic doc. Its been almost 3 weeks, and this is still bothering you. Sounds like something definitely needs to be addressed, before it causes any more damage. In the meantime, rest, elevate, and ice might help.

And, by the way, CONGRATS on getting your black belt!! ;D

Let me know what you find out....

DONNA
LEFT KNEE INJURY-1-05
SCOPE 4-05, LR 1-07, TKR 6-07, MUA 7-07, REVISION 10-07, INFECTION CLEANOUT 11-07, REVISION 4-08, EXPLANT 2-09 ANTIBIOTIC SPACER PUT IN, AND PICC LINE FOR 6 WEEKS
REPLACEMENT 5-09

BACK IN PT NOW....HIP AND FOOT PAIN, POSSIBLY SCIATIC

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Re: Newbie - Stabbing Pain in Knee
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2007, 01:49:40 PM »
Hi

Read your posting this morning - however most Doctor`s dont understand problems withy the knee.

It is now very important for you to take steps to see an Orthopaedic Consultant in order to have a MRI scan done on your know.

Sounds like from your description that you have torn something, but only a MRI can highlight your problem.

DONT DELAY


Best wishes

JohnK/ Manchester UK

Dumb question - how do I go about referring myself?   My GP said this morning he didn't think I needed an arthoroscopy or to see an ortho surgeon

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Re: Newbie - Stabbing Pain in Knee
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2007, 01:54:22 PM »
I would call your insurance company, and tell them you need to see and orthopedic doctor. I know alot of insurance companies, now do not require referrals. If yours does, however, tell them, when you call, that you feel it is necessary for you to be seen by an ortho specialist, due to the problems you are having with your knee. If they DO, however, want a referral, I would simply call your primary doctors office, and tell the receptionist that you were seen in that office, but would like to be referred to an orthopedic specialist. I dont think they can deny you.

Hope all goes well for you.

Donna
LEFT KNEE INJURY-1-05
SCOPE 4-05, LR 1-07, TKR 6-07, MUA 7-07, REVISION 10-07, INFECTION CLEANOUT 11-07, REVISION 4-08, EXPLANT 2-09 ANTIBIOTIC SPACER PUT IN, AND PICC LINE FOR 6 WEEKS
REPLACEMENT 5-09

BACK IN PT NOW....HIP AND FOOT PAIN, POSSIBLY SCIATIC

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Re: Newbie - Stabbing Pain in Knee
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2007, 01:56:46 PM »
I would call your insurance company, and tell them you need to see and orthopedic doctor. I know alot of insurance companies, now do not require referrals. If yours does, however, tell them, when you call, that you feel it is necessary for you to be seen by an ortho specialist, due to the problems you are having with your knee. If they DO, however, want a referral, I would simply call your primary doctors office, and tell the receptionist that you were seen in that office, but would like to be referred to an orthopedic specialist. I dont think they can deny you.

Hope all goes well for you.

Donna

Problem is that I'm in the UK and we don't have the insurance system here......

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Re: Newbie - Stabbing Pain in Knee
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2007, 02:01:00 PM »
Oh my goodness....hmmmmm. Not sure how you have to proceed there then? Can you go to an emergency room, and have them refer you, maybe?  Now I am stumped...lol.

Donna
LEFT KNEE INJURY-1-05
SCOPE 4-05, LR 1-07, TKR 6-07, MUA 7-07, REVISION 10-07, INFECTION CLEANOUT 11-07, REVISION 4-08, EXPLANT 2-09 ANTIBIOTIC SPACER PUT IN, AND PICC LINE FOR 6 WEEKS
REPLACEMENT 5-09

BACK IN PT NOW....HIP AND FOOT PAIN, POSSIBLY SCIATIC

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Re: Newbie - Stabbing Pain in Knee
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2007, 03:44:30 PM »
Hi

Which part of the UK do you live in?????

Put Orthopaedic Consultant into Google and choose one in your area..... It`s going to cost you about 150 plus x-rays, but worthwhile unless you can get an immediate appointment under the NHS through your GP.

DONT NEGLECT THE KNEE

Best wishes

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Re: Newbie - Stabbing Pain in Knee
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2007, 03:11:20 PM »
Hi,

Being in the UK, you still need to be referred to an OS by your GP. If your GP refuses to refer you, see another doctor. Once you have the referral you can reduce the waiting time if you wish by paying to see your OS privately. Otherwise, you are looking at the best part of a 3month wait.

Alternatively, you could wait until you feel the intense pan again and go to A&E. They may be able to tell you what may be wrong but more importantly, they can refer you to an OS and you'd see him in a couple of weeks or so. The only bad point here is that you could end up waiting a few hours in A&E in the first place.

Let us know how you get on.

Take care,

Laura x
Left knee surgery
08/06/02 - L/Release
13/08/03 - Fulkerson TTT
05/06/05 - Stabilisation & Medialisation/Tendon Transfer
13/01/06 - Proximal Hamstring Superior Stabilisation
06/03/06 - RSD/CRPS diagnosed
20/07/06 + 03/04/07- Excision of scar tissue
30/07/07 - PKR suggested by OS (no date yet)















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