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Healed Completely of Arthritis Pain
« on: January 08, 2003, 03:33:36 AM »
Hello all, hope your arthritis is not causing too much trouble and that everyone is well.

I wanted to post the link to a web site where people there have posted that they have been cured of Arthritis pain.  I have never heard of cures yet so this site has my attention.

The site is:  www.msn.com and on this site you will read lots of posts of people who have used the product MSN to do a body cleansing or fast.  They work up to 8,000 mgs. of the stuff daily and after the cleansing is successful they take that much to maintain too.

Good luck!  Denise

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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2003, 03:49:09 AM »
I apologise for posting the wrong link in my earlier post.  The correct link is:

http://www.msm-msm.com/

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Re: Healed Completely of Arthritis Pain
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2003, 07:33:04 PM »
Personally, I would be wary of anything that claims to be a cure for arthritis.

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Re: Healed Completely of Arthritis Pain
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2003, 07:47:28 PM »
And, certainly I am too.  However, I know of many with Arthritis that have been completely healed of their Arthritis Pain.

That is the testimony I speak of -- the pain not the Arthritis itself.

Lots of people have thrown away their strong Opiod pain meds in favor of completely natural products where they receive complete pain management and with no more pain of ANY kind.

This type of testimony is documented as true time and time again.

This site I posted above about has posts of those having been successful with the MSN remedy and have NO further pain as a result.

I believe this type of remedy is worth a good look see myself!

Denise :)

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Re: Healed Completely of Arthritis Pain
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2003, 09:35:07 AM »
I guess I'm the village skeptic.

I am very close to several docs and although I know that someone might argue that it is in their best interests to keep me coming back for treatments, I believe enough in their integrity to believe that if such a product were available and the evidence was there for it to help me, I'd be using it.

I'm more skeptical of sales pitches that earn strangers money from me.  the "supplement" products are pretty much unregulated for qualtiy of their product and for evidence of their claims.  Many of these products are being found to be dangerous as well--look at the weight loss industry for many examples.

That said, if the buyer is safe and gets relief, more power to them.  sylvia
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Re: Healed Completely of Arthritis Pain
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2003, 02:50:57 PM »
Hi Sylvia,

I have been diagnosed by a good Rheumi as having 'significant' OA and at 46 am told I can look forward to knee replacements as early as age 50.  This just sickens me knowing of many failed such operations.

I have relied for 4 yrs. now on the strongest Opiods on the market just to move about enuf to work a part time job and homeschool my son.  I am a published, professional writer with a College education.

My drug at this time is Oxycontin, 40 mgs. 3 x a day and I take Percocets for break thru pain.  I am also a larger lady with immediate need to lose a good deal of weight which would help my situation tremendously as I am sure you can appreciate.

I am on a mission just now to seek out a natural remedy and as soon as I am convinced to begin one I am off to detox at a rehab.  I dont look forward to this prospect as I have a *distant past* history of serious drug and alcohol addiction and know well of the methods used at these types of facilities.  My doc promises me that when I am ready and the time comes she will find me a good bed at a better hospital where the stay is longer to include the best psychological help available.  I am in a very scarey place right now.

I posted about the MSM claims having found a few other good remedies posted here, one being the Syn-flex, where again, people are posting claiming to have no further pain using that product and, with no further need for the strong Opiod drugs.  I also visit web sites frequently and read the posts of those addicted to the drugs, not abusing them for the high, but addicted with the pain and with no other way for them they feel, because of their chronic pain.  I read there too of natural remedies.  That is not to say, tho, that there are also posts of those who have tried any number of the natural remedies and have not had the relief others claim to have.

My first thot, when reading these outrageous claims are that they are 'planted' folk, perhaps, purposed to sell me and to steal my peace of mind and my money, not unlike the way you feel, yourself.  And, I have very good reason to feel this way because as a marketing strategy with the work that I do, I do this very thing, 'plant' myself on message boards and forums to promote various products.  These include:  dating sites, hair restoration products, e-books and ezines.  I simply register on forums and go in and introduce myself and once I am established there I sing the praises of the client's product that I have either myself created or do the copywriting for.  Believe me, this is done all of the time and much less reputable tactics are used by some to produce a similar result.  That said, I have never and *would never* post in this way about a product that would replace a strong narcotic drug such as a pain killer.  I would never jeopardize another's health in any way in my claims or purpose, work or no work.  I was asked to do this marketing ploy in fact to promote a new male parts Enlargement product and was offered a rediculous sum of money to do so to which I declined and lost the account.   This, on my part, is not the result of any kind of great virtue, but rather, is the result of a bit of common sense and decency out of respect for my fellow man.

My cousin practises general medicine at one of the best teaching hospitals here in Toronto, he is in his 13th year and has perscribed the horrid Opiods for his Cancer patients who have not much hope.  He will rarely perscribe them, tho, to his non-Cancer patients and will likely refer them on to a specialist first.  He feels people such as myself are literally doomed to a life of pure hell and torment with the likely prospect of failing liver and kidneys not to mention abominable dependance that is exacerbated by the constant need of stronger and stronger meds over time.  He lectures me of patients in Old Folk's Homes who are bed-ridden wearing diapers with horrendous health problems, including chronic pain with no further effective treatments because they have played out all of their options by this time.  One lady, 72, is resident of the famed Whitby Psyc Hopsital, with more ills than you could ever imagine, predominantly out of her mind from having messed up with dangerous mixes of various pain meds, used over the long term.   Dr. Greg feels she will die there and that her fate is more common than imagined by most.

I have taken up far too much of your time by now.  I will be visiting a Naturopathic Dr at the determined time to oversee my journey into the hopeful world of natural remedies for my chronic pain as well as my immediate need to reduce weight.  I am pretty much settled on first trying the MSM body cleanse and then the Syn-flex Glucosamine liquid 'gold' treatments, altho, I have yet to commit to this and seek out the detox.  I am a big baby about the prospects of doing all of this when the Opiods are still working well for me.

I hope that your chosen path is a good one and one that affords you the peace of mind that you are deserving of.  None of us deserves this genetic fate life has dealt us, I dare say.

Denise :)
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Re: Healed Completely of Arthritis Pain
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2003, 04:03:30 AM »
I'm also a skeptic but I'm glad that this has had a good effect on you, one question though if you don't mind, does this cure your forever or can yu expect a relapse of you condition as it reprogresses, as I am aware of it, once you have the chemical that causes OA in your blood, nothing cures that, not even conventional medicne, so surely after sometime your symtoms develop again?

Just curious
Iona

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Re: Healed Completely of Arthritis Pain
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2003, 05:27:21 AM »
Iona, nothing I have read points to this fact of progression with returned symptoms.  It is my understanding that the Syn-flex and similar products rebuild the damage that was done.  If you find the right natural remedy you will heal and not progress in damage.  

The person to talk with in all of this is a Naturopath and not just take the word of testimonies online here.  Some could easily be planted.  In fact, I leave room for a percentage for that altho how much I have no idea.

In any event, you should investigate this cure of arthritis more because it is a documented fact that despite the genetic chemicals involved, arthititis can be healed and then cured.

I am saving to see a Naturopath.  Have a few larger bills to pay then I can save exclusively for this reason and I expect by the Fall I will see one.  Whatever is recommended that is what I will do.

I will post here with my results, for sure.  I am very hopefull.  Not so if I stay with status quo of "arthritis cant be cured or healed entirely, and no other pain meds but Opiods that are effective."  I just dont believe that any longer.

Denise

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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2003, 09:08:01 AM »
Denise

I'd be really interested in the result of your visit to the naturopath,please let us know here what they say, I'm sure a lot of other members here would benefit from your experience too.

Congratulations on finding a cure for your symptoms.

Iona

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2003, 06:47:59 PM »
Hi!

I have a very good friend in Canada who believes in the products from Mannatech in the same way you are describing this.  He has made remarkable progress with knee and back arthritis issues and I'm so happy for him.

As a result, I tried some of these products and alas, they didn't do for me what they did for him--but I went ionto it open minded and gave it a fair chance.  Maybe this is all part of the mystery around arthritis and knees and the like--some things work for som and not for others--and some of us seem to be ill-fated enuff to have to climb the ladder of more invasive treatments.  Personally, I'm 47 with one tkr behind me and looking forward to the other in less than 2 weeks.  That seems to be the path to me gaining or regaining mobility.

Good luck with your pursuit of wellness!

Take care, Sylvia
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left knee same5/02
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Re: Healed Completely of Arthritis Pain
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2003, 09:47:52 PM »
Thanks for all the well wishes.  I return them all back too.  This is not baby stuff we are dealing with.  Likely we could become progressively worse to the point of being dependant and for so many at a very young age.

That pic of those elderly folk, lonely without much family, stuck away in those unthinkable abuse tanks, old folks homes, not able to look after themselves.  That is where I could see myself one day.  And not at the old end of it either.  

I took Nursing training so I know what I am talking about.  I had to train in those horrible places.  Had it not been for my being diagnosed I would be Nursing today.  Not in those places tho!  They need to be all burned down to the ground.

People I am no bit different from any of you.  I am scared.  I have not found a cure.  I have read of folk who have no more pain, and of those who have had some success with natural remedies that heal and it makes me at least hopefull.

I still have a slew of bills to pay off yet then I am off to the Naturopath.  It just cant hurt when what modern medicine has to offer is rarely enough.  Especially if you are young.  What are we supposed to do?  Hobble around on crutches and in and out of a chair before they might consider us?

No dont consider me to have found a cure of any kind.  Quite the contrary.  At 46 I am feeble in every way.  Mind, body and spirit.  What a sad truth.  Why say it any other way?  My life is beginning to look to me as if some mistake.  Ah well, not in my top form.

Take Care

Denise ;)

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2003, 10:23:44 PM »
{{{{{{Denise}}}}}}

Please remember that you are not your knees or your arthritis, but you are Denise, a special person with a lot ot offer the people in your life and world.

It gets hard to keep them separate because these knees have the potential to make our decisions for us--should I go here, wear that, try this, laugh, whatever.  And as much as we know that is not right, it is overwhelming.

That is when it is time to slow down, take a deep breath and think of 10 or 20 or 100 great things about ourselves.  We are more than knees--and sometimes we have to struggle to keep that focus.

Take care, Sylvia
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scope w/ LR and debridement rt knee 2/02
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R TKR revisio

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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2003, 06:23:37 AM »
Quote

 It just cant hurt when what modern medicine has to offer is rarely enough.  Especially if you are young.  


Denise, you've hit the nail right on the head, modern medcine is wonderfu, there's no doubting that at all, but it gets all too much when we can do the most remarkable medical & surgical techniques yet we can find a cure for something that causes massive debilation to millions.

I think there is a lot to be said about natural remedies, we manage for centuries without advanced medicine and we evolved and the tradtional methods of accupuncture and herbal medcine has stood the test of time.

You are a remarkable woman Denise, you have true grit and determination and thats admirable.

Thank you for sharing you experience with us, I'm sure it will help so many people from around the world. Keep us posted on whats going on.

(((hugs)))
Iona

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Re: Healed Completely of Arthritis Pain
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2003, 06:39:51 AM »
 Iona and Sylvia,

You are both very thoughtful!

I have my good days when I am very hopefull -- then I have those others where I picture myself say 10 years from now fragile, dependant and with no where to go but an institution because I am so disabled.

Unfortunately, that is a very big possibility and reality for so many.  I have to wonder what will be so different of it for me?

I feel that the difference must lie in those who have naturopathic success or not.  At this stage in the game those are my thots.

I will investigate this and I will post here my results.

Thanks for thinking of me and for the kind words!

Denise ;)

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Re: Healed Completely of Arthritis Pain
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2003, 02:46:58 PM »
MSM, is a joint supplement much like Glucosamine and Chondroiton. We use it with our older horses on the farm to help maintain their joints.  I can't say as it has cured any of them, of their stiffness and aches.... but you can notice a difference in the way they move, after we put them on it. ;)  It's another supplement to help your body, do what it isn't doing well alone.
Hope you find somehting that helps you all.
Lots' of luck and hugs
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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2004, 05:58:03 PM »
MSM or methylsulfonylmethane is an anti-inflammatory.  It isn't really addressing the issues involved in arthritis such as poor quality synovial fluid and damaged cartilage and supporting tissue.  It may help ease the pain, but I think it's an indirect treatment at best.  Try a good Oral Hyaluronic Acid supplement.  Two that I know work well are HA-30 and Conquer III made by a company called Kinetic Technologies.

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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2004, 06:08:35 PM »
I forgot to mention, the MSM molecule has "carrier" properties, ie anything you take WITH MSM will penetrate the tissues of the body more effectively, due to its sulfur.  For our horse owner friends, this is exactly like using a DMSO, dimethylsulfoxide.  

Anyway, the important thing is that if you take MSM in conjunction with an opiate, it may lower the toxic threshold, making less of the drug more powerful and therefore potentially more dangerous.

BE CAREFUL!