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Anyone have similar symptoms? (acl? meniscus? fat pad?)
« on: July 08, 2006, 07:51:58 PM »
Hi everyone,

I started having pain in my right knee about three weeks ago after an ice hockey practice.  While on the ice, I remember falling while trying to turn and later when I went to stop, I felt a little, awkward twinge. Neither incident elicited any sort of pain that would have made me panic and stop playing. Overall the practice was pretty light compared to what I am used to, but when I got to the locker room and took my pads off, my knee was swollen. A few moments later, when I went to get up, I could not put any weight on it.  After about 20 minutes or so, I was able to hobble back to the car and get home. I iced and elevated my knee, took some prescription strength motrin and went to sleep.  That weekend I completely stayed off the knee, sat in bed and kept it iced and elevated...

Over the course of the next week, I felt like my knee wanted to hyperextend/jerk backwards when I walked and it hurt to put weight on the leg while it was straight.  Roughly one week after my hockey practice, I had an appointment with my OS for a follow-up on another injury (had shoulder surgery in Feb.) and asked if he could take a quick look at my knee. He did a few quick tests and said he thinks it could just be inflamed. He also noted my Q-angle was a little off and my quad was weaker (which I thought was a little strange because my right side is my dominant side) He told me to just keep RICEing, do some quad/hamstring exercises and he'd see me in a month. If the knee was still a problem, he'd take x-rays, maybe get an MRI or give me a cortisone shot.

It's been a week since I saw the doctor and it doesn't feel as if it's really improving. On some days, it feels worse.  I feel the pain in the anterior/lateral side of the knee, below the knee cap. If I put weight on the leg, it feels as if my upper limb is putting way too much stress on the lower limb. Occasionally, the stress is so much that it radiates down to my ankle. On the outside, sometimes it looks a little swollen (nothing compared to the first time, but noticable when compared to the other knee). Forget twisting when there's weight on it. It actually feels like it has more mobility (twisting-wise) than the left knee, but it's also more painful -- I feel pain in the joint and the lateral side feels strained. Sometimes if I am just sitting and resting my leg, I feel pressure (not painful) in the area. Occasionally I hear clicking, but it's never consistent. Yesterday was at the point where I was really considering going to a hospital because one wrong turn would make me feel like I was seeing stars. (But I didn't go because I thought maybe I was overreacting.)

Anyway, I'm throwing out all these symptoms because I can't really get an idea of what this could be. About 99 percent the writeups regarding ligament or meniscus tears suggest when it happens, you know exactly at that moment something is wrong and that you always feel debilitated, 24/7. Also, most of the writeups say you lose motion.  At the same time, I've had injuries before that don't include a symptom or two (when compared with some of these online "pamphlets") and on some days seem close to normal. But then the docs get an MRI or go in arthroscopicly to examine the joint and it turns out to be as or more serious than what someone might find in the consensus of different sources.

Any insight is greatly appreciated...
6/06 - Injured right knee playing ice hockey
9/06 - MRI ("internal derangement")
12/06 - Arthroscopic surgery
Previous injuries: TFCC avulsion (wrist), torn labrum (shoulder)

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Re: Anyone have similar symptoms? (acl? meniscus? fat pad?)
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2006, 08:37:29 PM »
The best thing you can do is call your doctor and make an appointment as soon as possible. You saw your doctor very quickly a while ago and now time has passed and it's not better... perhaps, even worse. So, it really is time to call back and tell him you can't wait a month and you need to be seen now.

There's really nothing we internet folks can do for you -- except maybe commiserate and tell you our own stories. We could all guess at the diagnosis (my guess is a meniscus tear), but that doesn't do anything for you, either. You're doing all the home-care things you can, so it doesn't sound like you need any advice in that department.

I play hockey, too, so we could talk hockey.... but I think you're really better off just getting in to the see the doctor. Then you can come back and compare notes with everyone on your treatment plan.  :)

Here's to getting back on the ice as soon as we can!

Meg

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Re: Anyone have similar symptoms? (acl? meniscus? fat pad?)
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2006, 10:24:44 PM »
I have the same symptoms and im going in to see an OS on the 11th (tuesday) to have it checked out. Mine was from a couple of months ago at a soccer match. I sorta turns wrong and at the same time my knee bent backwards :P. I did some research and to me it looks like i have a meniscus tear. Im willing to bet thats what you have as well. Make sure to keep me updated.
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR KNEE!!!
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Chelsea - 17 years old - soccer + band = LIFE
4/29/06  left knee popped followed by intense pain while playing soccer
5/30/06  Bone spur removal
4/20/07  LR right knee
11/19/07 LR left knee
1/16/08  MUA left knee
11/03/08 LR recon, MPFL recon right knee
4/20/09 LR recon, MPFL recon left knee

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Re: Anyone have similar symptoms? (acl? meniscus? fat pad?)
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2006, 01:26:28 AM »
Hey, I agree with Meg there is much we can do for you, but I also agree it sounds like it could be a meniscus injury. I think i'd go back and see the DOC sooner than later too,  get some diagnostic imaging and see what's going on in there.

I hope you get some answers and some help soon

Goodluck
Linds
1997 Scope RK
2002 LR RK
2002 Scope and hematoma evac RK
2004 LR LK
May 06 Fall from Horse, partial ACL tear and meniscus injury, Tibial plateau injury
2007 Scope, Plica Excision and Debride LK
2009/2010- Possibly Ankylosing Spondylitis?

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Re: Anyone have similar symptoms? (acl? meniscus? fat pad?)
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2006, 02:48:24 AM »
Perhaps calling your OS and see if he can give you pain meds while you are waiting for your appointment.  When I had a posterior horn tear that kept my knee in hell for a month.  I did PT 3 times a week  mostly leg raises and step ups and quad machine and biking for 10 minutes and Tens machine.  But I come home and ice it and take pain meds..  I said to myself .. I tried a conservative treatment but ended up going for surgery.  I had a partial meniscestomy .

However, You really will not know what is truelly wrong with your leg until you have an xray or mri.    and even those tests sometimes do not show up the whole horror story that resides inside your knee.  I say this because I had chrondroplasty with drilling when I had my partial meniscestomy.  Other people on this board had mensiscus problems and ACL problems as well.  So it can be a combination of all things going on with the knee. 

Ice that knee up.  Raise it up  on a few pillows and blankets.  Call that doctor to see if he will give you medication while you are waiting for the appointment or get you in quicker.   an mri may take awhile .. 

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Re: Anyone have similar symptoms? (acl? meniscus? fat pad?)
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2006, 03:57:48 AM »
HI there

I agree with the others, you really need to get a diagnosis from your Dr.  In my experience I'd suggest that you had torn some cartlidge, but Im not buy any streatch of the imagination a Dr.  I completely ruptured my ACL and when I first did the injury there was no doubt in my mind as to what I'd done.  I knew it was ligament damage from the "Pop" it made (I've torn ligaments in my Ankle before) and personally suspected the ACL, but was told by GP's that it wasnt because there was no swelling and virtually no pain.  4 months later when it was still buckling I saw a SPorts specialist and OS and they immediately diagnosed a torn ACL.  Go and see someone who knows what they are on about.....

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ACL Reco May 05
Cleared to return to sport May 06

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Re: Anyone have similar symptoms? (acl? meniscus? fat pad?)
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2006, 04:41:09 AM »
Hi guys,

First off, thanks for all your responses and support.  I really wish a board like this was around when I was going through my wrist and shoulder injuries.

If you don't mind me asking, when you guys had your respective knee injuries, did you feel them all the time or did you have good days and bad days? Also, for those who are pretty active and have experienced a few injuries... did you ever find that one injury triggered another because you had spent so much time recovering and your body was weaker in some regards?

I ask because I'm starting to think the body is like a car -- once some part goes and gets fixed, then something else breaks and so forth.  That's how it has felt for me over the past couple of years.  I severely injured my right wrist and as that was starting to get as close to normal as possible, I injured the opposite shoulder. And now just as my shoulder has recovered, it's my right knee that's having issues.

I guess it's also getting to the point where I'm just really tired of going through the whole procedure of getting things fixed, going to therapy, etc. that I'm battling with mind games at this point.  Half of me is telling to get this checked out because it's not normal; the other half is telling me to ignore it and go on with things normally because things haven't been "normal" in quite some time (because of the other injuries).

Anyway, as for pain meds, I'm still stocked up from when I had shoulder surgery.  I needed one the first night I had knee pain, but haven't taken any since. I'm trying to avoid taking them at all costs because I don't want rely on the idea that they solve the problem and then can't get more because they are a controlled substance. Even yesterday (which was a bad day), I had the ability to just stay off my leg, so I did that instead of taking pain killers and moving around.

As for getting back to the doc, I'm probably going to see how the knee holds up over the next few days. If I have a day like yesterday, I'll call the doc's assistant and ask her to see what he suggests.

(Meg -- I'll have to PM you and we'll talk hockey :) )

Thanks again for all your comments!
6/06 - Injured right knee playing ice hockey
9/06 - MRI ("internal derangement")
12/06 - Arthroscopic surgery
Previous injuries: TFCC avulsion (wrist), torn labrum (shoulder)

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Re: Anyone have similar symptoms? (acl? meniscus? fat pad?)
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2006, 04:55:36 AM »
I have good days and bad days for both my knees...what really sux is when theyre both having bad days :P. What youre feeling isnt normal (normal for us is not normal for other people :D)...have it checked out if its bothering you. If theres nothing wrong..at least youll have peace of mind :-X!!!
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Chelsea - 17 years old - soccer + band = LIFE
4/29/06  left knee popped followed by intense pain while playing soccer
5/30/06  Bone spur removal
4/20/07  LR right knee
11/19/07 LR left knee
1/16/08  MUA left knee
11/03/08 LR recon, MPFL recon right knee
4/20/09 LR recon, MPFL recon left knee

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Re: Anyone have similar symptoms? (acl? meniscus? fat pad?)
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2006, 05:58:51 AM »
Hey!

Cool another hockey player is on the board!!  :D  I've played competitive ice hockey for nine years now, but have been skating forever!  Trying to get back with my team this past year through four knee surgeries was one of the hardest points in my life so far, but it was oh so worth it.  Granted I hated I had to have another surgery after the season...

My injuries were mainly patello femoral issues, including constant subluxations and a pair of dislocations.  I had good days and bad days through all of this.  Some days I felt that I could move well on the ice and the next day would be totally different.  I found it just easier to take things day to day and listen to my body.  In reguards to having other injuries because of not being active:  I've always had some issues with always pulling my groin on the ice.  After my knee injuries started and such they went away.  However, I had to sit out my junior season of hockey for knee surgery and when I was back on the ice my senior year I remember pulling the groin again.  Otherwise, no other injuries resulted in me coming back to skating.  This isn't including getting beamed by the coach's slapshot in the calf!!  ::) :P

Being on the injured list can really make you go thru the mental game most definitly!!  I was told before my first surgery on my knee that i'd be back on the ice within a month.  With everyone getting my hopes so high, nothing real good came of it.  I was just putting myself thru more pain just to get back on the ice.  Then actually finding an OS who told me he needed to do TTTs on both knees really made me realize that I wasn't returning to the ice that season.  And right now, while I"m done with high school hockey, I feel as though my OS is just tossing me into the cycle of "stretching, meds, and physical activity and things will just go away on their own."  just keep your head up.  i found setting even the smallest of goals can make things easier to deal with.

I'd give anything right now to just get on the ice without pain and shoot.  Feels like forever since I've done that pain free.  I'd also love to just go out and run for as far as I can without pain....but have to remain realistic and at the moment, those activites just aren't in the cards!!

Best of luck!
~Mandy
21 yrs old
12/04: plica removal (RK)
2/05: debridement, LR/TTT (RK)
6/05: debridement, LR/TTT (LK)
10/05: scar tissue removal/debridement (LK)
3/06: screw removal (both knees), debridement on TTT site (LK)
5/08: debridement, HTO, Maquet procedure (LK)

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Re: Anyone have similar symptoms? (acl? meniscus? fat pad?)
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2006, 11:41:33 AM »
Hey...
well, i've injured my ACL, still not sure to what extent.  I have good days and bad days at this point, but i'm also 8 weeks out since I injured it.  However, I always kind of know. there is a constant limp and a fuzzy feeling in my leg. :P However, it just depends on what you've injured. A Meniscus (cartilage) injury can definately come and go.  If it's a tear, it can get caught up in the knees motion or remain laying down where it should be...

Like Clarinet, I have two not so good knees... so somedays it is one more than the other, and somedays it'sb oth.. which totally sucks. My right knee issues however, are Patello Femoral like Mandy, the left one has these issues too but I don't notice so much now with my ACL injury. :P

I hope you get some answers, and I understand how frustrated you must be going through injury, treatment, surgery... time and time again.  Sometimes when you are an athlete though.. these things happen.

I tore my ACL falling off my horse jumping a fence like i'd jumped 1000 times before.

Hang in there... we're all pulling for you

Linds
1997 Scope RK
2002 LR RK
2002 Scope and hematoma evac RK
2004 LR LK
May 06 Fall from Horse, partial ACL tear and meniscus injury, Tibial plateau injury
2007 Scope, Plica Excision and Debride LK
2009/2010- Possibly Ankylosing Spondylitis?















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