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TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« on: March 23, 2006, 02:47:21 PM »
Hiya,
I am a 44 year old female with trauma induced osteoarthritis in both knees for which I have had major knee surgery....has anyone else got this condition?

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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2006, 03:58:35 PM »
I guess you could say I have trauma induced OA. I never had any problems until I twisted my knee last May and tore my meniscus. Ever since then its been a thorn in my side. I had a Fulkerson/LR and patella debridement on my right knee and the grinding is gone. Hopefully when I start WB the pain will be gone too! I notice a lot of grinding in my left knee now. No pain though (knock on wood).

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6/21/05 arthroscopy rt knee meniscus tear
10/5/05 2nd arthroscopy rt knee another meniscus tear
2/15/06 Fulkerson, LR, debridement and yet another menscal tear Rt knee
10/18/06 microfracture right knee
10/23/09 debridement right knee
6/16/10 PFJR right knee scheduled

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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2006, 04:11:35 PM »
. I had a Fulkerson/LR and patella debridement on my right knee and the grinding is gone.


hello jerman,

could you explain what your surgery was? I had a half knee replacement  on my left knee in feb 06 and am having a half knee replacement on my right knee on april 13h this year I know what you mean by the grinding.....I have detailed my conditon on my website if you would like to take a look?


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sept 05 roux goldwaith procedure on right knee

feb 06 unicompartmental joint replacement (half knee) on left knee

april 13h 06 having unicompartmental joint replacement on right knee



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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2006, 07:22:25 PM »
I had a Fulkerson Osteotomy (TTT, realignment of patella), Lateral Release and patella debridement(scraping the arthritis off the underside of the patella.

Jerry
43 yrs old
6/21/05 arthroscopy rt knee meniscus tear
10/5/05 2nd arthroscopy rt knee another meniscus tear
2/15/06 Fulkerson, LR, debridement and yet another menscal tear Rt knee
10/18/06 microfracture right knee
10/23/09 debridement right knee
6/16/10 PFJR right knee scheduled

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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2006, 08:27:34 PM »
I know this may sound an obvious question but is trauma induced osteoarthritis when you damage or loose cartlidge because of a trauma/accident and therefore have the symtoms of osteoarthritis. If this is the case then I must have this as there is not much cartlidge left in my left knee after a complete knee disclocation.

The consultants and physios often ask me how I cope with the pain but to be honest there is no pain in normal day to day life. Just when I push the physio and then its a a soft tissue/muscle sort of pain.

Am I lucky,
Will the pains come in later life,

I do get nasty clunks and grinding/crunching, perhaps when/if I loose the limp and start using the leg properly I will get the full osteoarthritis symptoms.
ACL Rupture
PCL rupture
MCL rupture
LCL rupture
Posterlateral corner damage (whatever that is)
tears in medial and lateral menisci and so on,
But ....... with nuts and bolts and allographs I can now walk again

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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2006, 11:10:25 AM »
yes thats what trauma induced osteoarthritis is basically....in my case its genetic and caused dislocations over the years....i am having a half knee joint replacement this thursday.....you may be lucky and not get pain BUT i would imagine that in years to come you will have some pain....

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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2006, 11:53:28 AM »
Thanks for the reply.

i would imagine that in years to come you will have some pain.... :(

Something to look forward to. (not)
I only had one disclocation but it was a biggie snapping all for ligaments but at least I can say I have had my left foot under my right armpit which is a bit unusual even for a gymnast. :o
ACL Rupture
PCL rupture
MCL rupture
LCL rupture
Posterlateral corner damage (whatever that is)
tears in medial and lateral menisci and so on,
But ....... with nuts and bolts and allographs I can now walk again

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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2006, 12:18:57 PM »
oh believe me I know what dislocations are like :'( both mine did it all time and went back into place afterwards, so you can imagine years of that happening can cause truama to the knees.....I had a half knee replacement in feb last year and am only just getting over that one and am having my other knee done on thursday...you may not get any pain at all or you may get a lot or you may only get a bit....its different for each person.....i have put a page about my condition on my personal website if you would like to take a look...
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2006, 02:43:43 PM »
Hi foxpot
just been back for another look at your website and love it!

will find time one day to do one
anj
1978 - ruptured acl and all cartalidge removed.
several debridements over years
TKR 10TH JULY 2006 http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/index.php?topic=28257.0  Aug 07 patellar maltracking - more physio! Still pain - but so much better !
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2006, 03:23:45 PM »
thank you for your kind words anj they are much apreciated :)



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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2006, 09:45:08 PM »
MIne is trauma induced. I was in a car accident and tore the cartilage off of the medial femoral chondyle. After many surgeries and complications, I am in pain management and 7 wks post op from open LOA and a new type of PKR.

missy
2 ligament recons right ankle
2 arthroscopic,
5 open knee procedures
2 Plica removals
bone spur removal
2 microfractures
4 debridements
2 open LOAs all on left knee
Arthritis,both knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows, hands,spine
Fibromyalgia
Arthrofibrosis
LOA & PKR 2/15/06
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2006, 10:46:34 AM »
MIne is trauma induced. I was in a car accident and tore the cartilage off of the medial femoral chondyle. After many surgeries and complications, I am in pain management and 7 wks post op from open LOA and a new type of PKR.

missy


wow missy thats an awful lot of surgeries :o what is an open LOA and a PKR?
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2006, 12:22:57 PM »
An open LOA is a lysis of adhesions (they did an open incision and cut out scar tissue) and the PKR is a partial knee replacement. I know that I will have more surgeries down the road but I really hope that it is a long, long way down that road. lol

missy
2 ligament recons right ankle
2 arthroscopic,
5 open knee procedures
2 Plica removals
bone spur removal
2 microfractures
4 debridements
2 open LOAs all on left knee
Arthritis,both knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows, hands,spine
Fibromyalgia
Arthrofibrosis
LOA & PKR 2/15/06
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2006, 01:36:35 PM »
PKR is that the same as a half knee replacement?I am having my second half knee replacement on thursday and I too have been told i will need 2 total knee replacements in the next 15 years :o
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2006, 02:08:04 PM »
Yep, PKR is half of a total knee replacement. I am in a clinical trial for a new kind of PKR and it is less destructive and leaves more bone stock.

missy
2 ligament recons right ankle
2 arthroscopic,
5 open knee procedures
2 Plica removals
bone spur removal
2 microfractures
4 debridements
2 open LOAs all on left knee
Arthritis,both knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows, hands,spine
Fibromyalgia
Arthrofibrosis
LOA & PKR 2/15/06
RA
in pain mgmt
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2006, 02:12:58 PM »
Yep, PKR is half of a total knee replacement. I am in a clinical trial for a new kind of PKR and it is less destructive and leaves more bone stock.

missy

oh could you explain more to me please? is it a titanium one you have? I have a titanium one and the one I am getting on thursday is also titanium.......a lot of my bone is damage anyway and will have to be removed, can I ask what hospital you had it done at?
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2006, 02:20:26 PM »
I had an "arthrosurface hemicap" done at the Hughston Sports Medicine Hospital in Columbus GA. You can look at the hemicap at arthrosurface.com. It is made of titanium and is like a huge screw that is screwed into the femur and the head of the screw covers  some of the lesions on my medial femoral chondyle. My OS does traditional PKRs but he is in the clinical trial for this new one.

missy
2 ligament recons right ankle
2 arthroscopic,
5 open knee procedures
2 Plica removals
bone spur removal
2 microfractures
4 debridements
2 open LOAs all on left knee
Arthritis,both knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows, hands,spine
Fibromyalgia
Arthrofibrosis
LOA & PKR 2/15/06
RA
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2006, 02:43:51 PM »
ah that is in america right? I am in the uk and I have not heard of any trials like that here
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2006, 07:09:32 PM »
It is already approved in Europe so there are no clinical trials there anymore. We are waiting on FDA approval.
2 ligament recons right ankle
2 arthroscopic,
5 open knee procedures
2 Plica removals
bone spur removal
2 microfractures
4 debridements
2 open LOAs all on left knee
Arthritis,both knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows, hands,spine
Fibromyalgia
Arthrofibrosis
LOA & PKR 2/15/06
RA
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2006, 09:39:10 AM »
It is already approved in Europe so there are no clinical trials there anymore. We are waiting on FDA approval.


oh I see, my surgeon never mentioned it to me? mind you its not just my knees but i have a lot of muscle wastage due to my condition and I do need a lot of bone removing as I had a roux goldwaith procedure on my knee 2 years ago and a lot of extra bone grew.....how are you finding the new half knee?
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2006, 01:35:09 PM »
so far so good, I do still  have pain but the new knee seems to be helping. If you have lots of bone damage, this implant would not work for you. sorry
2 ligament recons right ankle
2 arthroscopic,
5 open knee procedures
2 Plica removals
bone spur removal
2 microfractures
4 debridements
2 open LOAs all on left knee
Arthritis,both knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows, hands,spine
Fibromyalgia
Arthrofibrosis
LOA & PKR 2/15/06
RA
in pain mgmt
TKR JAN 2012

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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2006, 03:45:55 PM »
so far so good, I do still  have pain but the new knee seems to be helping. If you have lots of bone damage, this implant would not work for you. sorry


am glad its working for you....I still get some pain in the new half knee I had done last year and hopefully the other titanium one I am having on thursday will be ok
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2006, 07:35:17 PM »
Good luck, let us know how you are doing post op.

missy
2 ligament recons right ankle
2 arthroscopic,
5 open knee procedures
2 Plica removals
bone spur removal
2 microfractures
4 debridements
2 open LOAs all on left knee
Arthritis,both knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows, hands,spine
Fibromyalgia
Arthrofibrosis
LOA & PKR 2/15/06
RA
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TKR JAN 2012

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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2006, 07:39:13 PM »
Good luck, let us know how you are doing post op.

missy


I will indeed missy, am very nervous as you can imagine.... :'(
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2006, 09:52:18 AM »
Hi Foxpot
I am also a victim of Trauma Induced Osteoarthritis, was hit head on by a car in 1985, lost the lower half of my calf from ankle to back of knee.  Femur was damaged and other knee problems that I cant remember the names of....one time in my life when I was grateful to have nice fat thighs, they cushioned and protected my femur from breaking.  My OS at the time told me I would be a prime candidate for OA later in life, and he was right.

I have been lucky in that I have been relatively pain free until about 2 years ago when I began having pain in my knee, after walking long distances, or dancing.  In February 06 I was finally diagnosed as having severe OA, saw my OS yesterday (the same OS whom I saw in 1985) and he says I need a new knee.  The waiting list in my area fortunately is 6 months, but I have deferred treatment for 6 months until I can resolve a stressful situation at work before going through another stressful situation.

Dont know about you but having OA in my knee has really dragged me down, I feel such a crockpot, had to stop going to my gym, and finding it really hard to lose weight.  I even envy fit elderly people who can run across the street or walk briskly.  My knee cracks all the time, even when swimming and gives way too.

My hubby bought me a Tens Machine which helps with the pain relief, I have paid privately for Acupuncture which was fine at the time, and take daily doses of Glucosomene, Chondroitin, MSM and Vit c.

I look forward to having a new knee but am also quite scared of the procedure and consequences if it goes wrong.

I think you are so brave, and wish you well.....look forward to hearing how you are doing post op.
ANGELEYES


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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2006, 12:43:12 PM »
Hi everyone,

My OA is a mixture of trauma induced, hypermobility and maltracking.  The constant dislocations are what did most of the damage but I am extremely clumsy with the hypermobility as well and have frequent accidents  >:(, after my last accident where I tore off a big chunk of cartilage from the lateral femoral condyle, my OS performed microfracture on that section and also on the underside of the patella, I'm only 5 weeks out from that and, since having a car crash in between and bashing both patellas off the dashboard  ::), I'm not sure yet if it has worked.  If the microfracture doesn't work I'm going to try mosaicplasty or anything else that can put off me getting TKRs (which I have been told I will need) as I'm only 38 and although there are great stories of success for these, my dad being one of them, he's done fantastically well in such a short time, I have to admit that, like Angeleyes, I am terrified of the chance of something going wrong and I end up being worse off than I am now.

This arthrosurface hemicap sounds very interesting, I'll have to look into that one too.

Natalie.
Dislocations since age 12
Trochlear Dysplasia
Maltracking
Hypermobile
LR/MR-failed
TTT, LR, MR L knee 95-Success
TTT, LR, MR R 02-Success
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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2006, 06:15:41 AM »
I do love my arthrosurface hemicap. The rehab is so much easier than microfracture rehab. My only worry now is that I have a LARGE section of fibrocartilage from one of my microfractures that will wear out and it is in the same knee as the hemicap. I dont know if they can do 2 hemicaps in one knee or not. IF not, I guess a TKR is next for me. Microfractures usually have a 2-4 yr life span from what I have read and mine is over 2 yrs old now. I dread the next step . I am hoping that the hemicap can be used in that defect too.

missy
2 ligament recons right ankle
2 arthroscopic,
5 open knee procedures
2 Plica removals
bone spur removal
2 microfractures
4 debridements
2 open LOAs all on left knee
Arthritis,both knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows, hands,spine
Fibromyalgia
Arthrofibrosis
LOA & PKR 2/15/06
RA
in pain mgmt
TKR JAN 2012

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Re: TRAUMA INDUCED OSTEOARTHRITIS
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2006, 05:21:06 PM »
Hi everyone,

It's amazing to see how much damage can be done in just a blink of time. 
For me it was just a horsebackriding accident, landing on my left elbow and both knees.  My elbow was totally dislocated and treated but no one bothered much with my knees.  My knees began hurting more and more each year until finally began limiting all activities.  Surgery has made an incredible difference in my pain levels and has definately been very worthwhile.
Imagine many other's like me before this did not even realize there were so many things that can go wrong with knees.  I'd never knew beforehand just how complicated knees could be....

Good luck to everyone, hope we all have better knee days ahead.....  ~shade
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