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Offline Mushroom

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Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« on: October 27, 2005, 03:19:16 PM »
Its difficult to impossible to define what it's to  be English.  However, soon after leaving school in 1970 I  defined myself in relation to the world in which I then lived as, British European with American overtones. This broad definition can now be modified to Asian Europen with American overtones. Twenty years ago a racial joke asked, "What is black and eats  bananas ?" The answer was, "Half of London." Today 30% of the population of London don't consider themselve
as white. The result of this influx of Asian and  Afro-Caribbean foreigners, is that now Singh an
Indian  surname is the commonest name in England. And that curry is now our favourite national dish.  Just recently there has been a huge influx of refugees and  political assylum seekers into Britain. These new-commers now account for one in twenty of the British population. For example,  Westcliff has just recently had a large influx of African people from Zimbabwee. These native women from Africa are big and  have huge bottoms.
   

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Re: Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2005, 09:57:31 PM »
These native women from Africa are big and  have huge bottoms.

Interesting generalization ....... not entirely sure what it has to do with the Knee Geek Web-site?

have you expressed this opinion in Westcliff?   How did it go down?   are you out of Hospital yet?

S
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Re: Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2005, 11:59:41 PM »
SarahJane,
That was bloody brilliant.  One wonders what in the name of all things holy (s)he was thinking...

The only thing is...now I am actually thinking about getting a curry for supper on the way home.  I'll eat it and think of Mushroom's bruised and battered body lying there unable to digest solid food.

Peace,
Jen
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Re: Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2005, 06:46:22 AM »
Thanks Jen,   have to admit that after I'd send the email, I did think I'd been a bit harsh and I was wondering if there was any way of unsending ....

then I re-read, and re- read, and re-read again ....  and kept thinking .... 'What on earth .............

So I decided  ....

Nah - leave it!    If I've offended anyone, they will let me know and then I will apologise!

S
Jan 05: Avulsed Patella Tendon (YUK)
Wired together Feb 05
Constant pain after Cast removed
2nd Op Nov05 to remove a 2cm piece of Bone from my Patella Tendon!!!
2 months later STOP physio due to Pain & Crepitus
Feb 06: Ultrasound shows NO Patella Tendon!
No plans for the future! :-/

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Re: Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2005, 01:53:34 PM »
Asian European with American overtones is quite a reasonable stab as what it is to be English.
So if you have a better idea as to what it is to be English, I for one would like to know who you think the English are.

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Re: Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2005, 05:12:09 PM »
Never mind the whole British Empire thing, which is...by the by...the reason that England is so diverse.  Perhaps part of the issue here is thus the difference between "English" and "British."  Nationality vs. Ethnicity.  By that reasoning, people of Anglo-Saxon-Jute descent can best be described as English, and those even of Norman descent are better defined as British.  In that case, I'm technically Norman French by way of Scotland...so am I French?  Scottish?  Mind you, the Sinclairs who migrated first to Canada and then to America (our branch of the fam)...well, they came from England.  So...maybe I'm English.  Or perhaps Canadian.  But then...since there are bits of Scandanavian intermingled all through there, maybe I'm actually a Viking?  Never mind about all the Eastern European blood coursing through my veins.  The number of times the borders changes as that side of my family was coming to the USA meant that nobody really knew what nationality they were at that point.

Let's do the math, shall we?  The Royal Family isn't really all that ENGLISH if we're sticking to that definition, what with all the Saxe-Coburg influence.

Meanwhile, we're all equally HUMAN...and probably all originated in Africa anyway, so...does that make me African-American? 

Making disparaging distinctions is the root of all the problems in the world.  If we would start behaving as if we are -- as we ARE -- members of one large human family it would be a much better world.  Celebrate diversity, take joy in both your nationality and your ethnic roots...but don't make distinctions of worth based on ethnicity.  I'm American by nationality, and horrified and embarrassed by the actions of my countrymen most of the time...but you can't paint us all with the same brush, just as you can't make rash generalisations about the English, Germans, etc.

Now...the French?  That's a different story... (teehee)

Humph.
Jen
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Re: Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2005, 06:00:10 PM »
I shall try to make this email short and easily understood.

I was not commenting on your dissertation on Race.

I was commenting on your incredible comment/generalisation

These native women from Africa are big and  have huge bottoms. [/i]

I think that I have a better idea of what I would hope it is to be English:   
Polite
reserved
well-mannered
courteous to others regardless of Race/Religion/Political Beliefs

and not prone to making public and inappropriate comments about the alleged physical features of other races

Sarah
p.s.   I'm English!  and I'm LARGE LADY WITH A HUGE BOTTOM and a broken knee and I HATE FISH so we probably won't agree on anything!!!    ;D   ;D   ;D ;D
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Re: Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2005, 06:26:03 PM »
Yup, SarahJane.  And, by the by, I teach at a 95% black school (the two sisters whose father is from Jamaica bristle when they're called "African-American").  I get SO angry when anyone makes idiotic generalisations about race, nationality, etc.  I teach the World Cultures course, and a significant portion of my classroom time is spent on cultural sensitivity issues.  The most sure-fire way to get yourself kicked out of my classroom is to say "the N word" or to call another culture stupid.

I did get off-track a bit...because I too was most angered by the whole "native women" comment.  Since we're ALL descended from Africa...and since I teach all shades, shapes, and sizes of kid...Grrrrrrr.  The thing that I loved the most about living in London was the diversity.  Perhaps it is the "American overtones" to which I so strongly object in Mushroom's posts.  It's that kind of attitude that gives Americans a bad name in the rest of the world, and SarahJane's description of what it means to be English that garners for that nationality such respect and a reputation for politeness.

Mushroom would have a Saturday detention and be writing a long essay for me right about now.  Or expelled from school entirely.

I'm going to pick up Mexican take-out now, and making a fru-fru French dinner.  So there.
Jen
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Re: Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2005, 10:37:40 PM »
Just thought I would jump in and say I agree with you all, it doesn't matter what colour or race you are, but who you are, we are indeed all human, we are people not colour, and should be treated as such, with human kindness and dignity.

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Re: Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2005, 06:24:52 PM »
Are they not people from England!
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Re: Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2005, 02:29:23 PM »
I'm not a racialist, that is, I hate being white and English. "I'm pro Europe and proud of it." Having a sense of humour can get you into trouble. I remember some time ago I wrote an e-mail with the title "Lucky Black Bums," it was not a racial remark, it was referring to a medical condition. But of course the word bum in America has a difffret meaning to that of the English word bum, which means bottom. When I told people that story they thought that it was very funny and it made them laugh. I woman wrote to me and said " I'm black, American and I do have a pilonidal sinus."
Which proved the American Army wrong. Black people do get Pilonidal sinuses, but they are most probably a rarity.

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Re: Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2005, 03:24:03 PM »
"Racialist" isn't even a WORD, for heaven's sake.  You might or might not be a racist, but regardless of your state of prejudice, you are also extraordinarily insensitive.  You'll find that it's not "having a sense of humour" that has you "in trouble" with many of us on this site, but it is, rather, the fact that you are evidently a complete git that poses difficulty.
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Re: Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2005, 09:17:39 PM »
Oh My ....   Mushroom is now a 'White British' person and hates it!

earlier he/she defined himself as 'Asian European with American ...'  -  I suspect that Mushroom has Identity issues along with the other rather obvious problems!



What on earth is that rubbish about Pilonidan Sinuses????? - get over yourself - it sounds offensive in any language and if you don't understand that you need to re-evaluate your communication skills!    I think you are are the wrong site Mushroom.   

I also think that you don't have a sense of Humour and that you deliberately post controversial messages on Public Forums just to try to inflame people and provoke responses, thus giving yourself an illusion of importance. 

I also think that this thread is a waste of space on an Important Forum and should be ignored!

Sarah
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No plans for the future! :-/

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Re: Who's who ? The English who are they ?
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2005, 03:45:24 AM »
Amen to letting this thread die . And bring back civility so that the moderator doesn't have to step in.  On to what's important , helping each other with knee issues. Ron
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