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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2003, 09:14:55 PM »
Hello!   My first time to this site.  Found it by way of a search of UniSpacer.   I've been reading through the arhives on unispacer and everyone's knee problems.  Oh, man....we're a bunch of torn up people!  *sigh :'(

I am sorry for all you're going though.  Can totally relate.  

Sept 6, 2001 I was sitting at a friend's house, slouched on her couch with a cup of coffee.  Finished it, stood up and took a step.  SEARING pain in my left knee.  Dr suspected torn meniscus but MRI's showed nothing.  (I knew something tore - unmistakable feeling!!!)  They injected cortisone and put me through PT (3 weeks till I was hurting so bad that I refused more)  Dr sent me to get knee scoped...but no..he said I needed Synvisc injections.   NO help there.  Finally they went in on Sept 26, 02 and found the torn meniscus I insisted I had for the last year.  Repaired it..(yah, right) and it's been bad ever since.   GREAT NEWS (being sarcastic - sorry) is that the dr now says my cartilage has worn away and I am a great candidate for the Unispacer.  Was trying to find testimonies of people who have had it and this is how I found this site.  My other option has been total knee replacement.  

Have you decided what you are going to do?


I was 50 yrs old on my last bd.   ;)

I hope I will be able to figure out how to use this website - it's awesome (but depressing...lol)  

Anyone who has had experience with Unispacer, please email or answer.

Thx

G

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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2003, 01:11:22 AM »
Hi Gayle

I think someone named Theresa had the Unispacer (not sure)...

I think there is some stuff about it in the Arthritis section... Sorry you have had trouble with that torn meniscus; sounds like you are aggressively getting it treated though which in the long run will be a huge benefit.

Check out the UC San Francisco website as well as the Stone Clinic website; I hear both places have some interesting stuff going on with cartilage grafting.

Best of luck to you and do please keep us posted on your chosen treatment and progress! Susan
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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2003, 03:18:55 AM »
Well everyone, PT today. I proceeded to the mini-trampoline to do sets of the one-legged squat as was done yesterday. I had the muscle stimulator attached to both knees and was to do a set when the stimulator was on. Didn't find these too difficult. Then was introduced to the Swiss Ball wall squat with a small medicine ball to be squeezed between calves. This was for 2-3 min., then followed by I think TENS & ice. I am to use lots & lotsa ice 4 - 6 x per day. I was also instructed to do only one session of the previous exercises I was doing yesterday to avoid overload. That is until I see him next week.

Chris
Arthrocsopic surgery on left knee for patella plica & partial synovectomy, Nov., 1982 No problems until June,97 stumble during relay, patella-femoral injury, PT. No problems with left knee 'til now.

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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2003, 08:03:24 AM »
Hi Chris

Was the trampoline for the one-legged squat just to make you work on balance too? (i.e. as opposed to solid ground). I assume they are not having you bouncing on it. I am doing mine on a half-circle foam roller but am nowhere near 30 reps yet.

I also have cut my PT down to one intensive session a day--two seemed too much. It's amazing the level of care you get in Canada--I have been to two different places here in California and I wish I had got something even close to that (a sad state of affairs, as I have excellent insurance).

Glad things are going well and thanks for posting--I am learning a lot and incorporating some of it into my own routine! Susan
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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2003, 09:26:08 AM »
Yes Susan it was for balance and for added resistance.

Nope I'm not bouncing on this.

I wouldn't know enough to make a comparison on the care level here in Canada. So you are working out on these every day? I am already finding I may be overdoing it a little bit as my right knee is a tad sensitive. So maybe cutting back to one session until the PT sees me again Tues. is a good idea. This is the principle of 48 hr. recovery between weight lifting sessions.

Pool run tomorrow for me.

Cheers

Chris
Arthrocsopic surgery on left knee for patella plica & partial synovectomy, Nov., 1982 No problems until June,97 stumble during relay, patella-femoral injury, PT. No problems with left knee 'til now.

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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2003, 06:50:30 PM »
Hi Chris

Yes I am working out every day, but using the 48 hour rule...I dumped my last PT when I had symptoms in my right knee (how scary is that when the left one is messed up?)...I went to my gym, which is one of the better ones in town, and hired a personal trainer who is also a licensed PT...we are working on whole body with an emphasis on rehabbing the knee and my results have been pretty good.

So what I do is see her MWF and I visit the gym on T-Th and do upper body, abs, and one or two light exercises for the quads (more balance type stuff like you mentioned).

It sounds like you are making great progress! In a way it's good you were running right up to the time of injury, so there was no quad atrophy. I had started swimming, then backed off that, then had surgery in Nov, so my quads have been on easy street for well over a year...but not any more!  ;D

Have fun at the pool and we'll talk to you soon! Susan (Michelle if you are reading this, are you still running? What are you doing for your rehab?)
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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2003, 07:07:31 PM »
Hi there

I'm doing gym work and swimming, but have pretty much managed to regain quad strength (yay!) but it was a lot of effort - I can;t belive how quickly muscle wastes!! and altough the stability of my knee is miles better than it was its not that great so now i'm currently having a delemma over reconstructing my PCL vs leaving it alone and using brace etc.

As far as rehab goes I cycled loads, I found this made my ROM come back quite well, and even now when I my knee is sore and stiff cycling loosens it all up.  I also used the little trampoline and gym ball for balance work, did lots on the adductor and abductor machines and loads of straight leg raises.  I have finished physio now but still continue all the quad stuff as this is part of my normal exercise routine.  

I went running on wed night and since then I have been a little sore, but I suppose its only to be expected after such a long break, although I did 'twang' my knee yesterday as well so that may also be the culprit.

I did find that once I had started really getting into the physio I was getting stronger quite quickly, but I did have really muscley legs prior to my injury so maybe that helped.

Happy working out to everyone!!  Its sounds like you are all very dedicated and starting to get somewhere, I hope that you start to feel strong again soon  :D

Michelle
Ruptured ACL, stretched PCL  tore meniscus and articular cartilage in feaky twisting accident in aug 02.  Arthroscopy sept 02. Had ACL recon 17/05/03, hamstring graft

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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2003, 05:28:34 AM »
Hello all

I'm wondering now if I'm doing the right thing trying to strengthen my knee while the problem (I really do think it's a torn cartilage) has not been fixed.

I think (I haven't mention this at all) I may have done further damage while doing that gait analysis as I did feel a twinge of pain when I brought the pace back down to a walk from an 8:00 per mile pace and later on while cycling home I could feel my knee stiffening.

Even though I can do most of the exercises and other stuff to stay in shape,  I may be tearing up the meniscus more. What appears to be the newest symptom >:( >:( >:( >:( is, when I get off my bike my knee seems to be stiffened up bigtime but it does loosen up if I walk gently on it and later is almost normal. Honest I never, since Oct. 8th., had my knee react this way to any cycling. I found out this pm in the Rec. Centre. So maybe cycling may be out for awhile. It will be a really long time to get any kind of surgery done, IF surgery is any kind of solution. You see if it's a torn cartilage I still don't know what type & really how bad it is :(

Anyone care to weigh in on this? Sorry to all of a sudden sound so pessimistic. Maybe a dosage of anti-inflammatories could help along with ice.

Chris

Well still will carry on with exercises, maybe today was a bad day for the knee.

Susan, down in the USA does it take some considerable amount of time, if you don't mind me asking here, to see any specialist after getting a referral and later on a date set for say an MRI?

Nope I can't see dealing with these continual setbacks the more problems I seem to be having and it's really been a long time now it has to be a cartilage problem.
Arthrocsopic surgery on left knee for patella plica & partial synovectomy, Nov., 1982 No problems until June,97 stumble during relay, patella-femoral injury, PT. No problems with left knee 'til now.

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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2003, 06:15:21 AM »
Chris, I don't know what to tell you, but I feel like the PT and all the 'treatments' they tried instead of going in to repair my meniscus caused the cartilage to wear out of my knee.   It was fine on my first MRI but 7 mos later it was completely gone when they went in to scope it.  (tear in the meniscus didn't show in MRI's so they wouldn't scope it)  The dr wouldn't LISTEN to me that I had felt something TEAR and, in the meanwhile put me though injections, synvisc, PT, etc. All the while I was trying to walk on this painful knee and wore the cartilage out.   It's frustrating and aggrevating.  

Not that anyone really WANTS surgery, but if they'd gone in to begin with I might not be in the mess with it now.   I can't help but wonder.   I wish I'd been more aggressive and demanded they do the scope in the beginning.  

Your situation may be totally different, though.

Gayle

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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2003, 06:48:01 AM »
Gayle, it felt like something 'caught' in behind my knee and was really sensitive for days, it gradually got better to the point I could walk with no noticeable limp. Tried a few times to run prior & during Xmas this yr. Seemed like there was further improvement until now with the new difficulty. It's like the injury site has moved or has a mind of its own, meaning that it's decided to bother me on doing a different activity.
Arthrocsopic surgery on left knee for patella plica & partial synovectomy, Nov., 1982 No problems until June,97 stumble during relay, patella-femoral injury, PT. No problems with left knee 'til now.

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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2003, 01:01:18 AM »
Who uses Vioxx or Celebrex?

I was visiting a website and the warning on these are a low risk of heart attacks. I actually got a sample of Vioxx from my GP to try but think I will go back to Naproxin. A pharmacist I spoke over the phone said all anti-inflammatories are pretty well the same.

I think my latest knee woes are from the MCL (medial collateral ligament) rather than a frayed meniscus medial side...because I get a reaction when I stretch my left calf by standing on a curb or raised block with heel on ground. This used to be a good limbering up stretch.

Chris



Arthrocsopic surgery on left knee for patella plica & partial synovectomy, Nov., 1982 No problems until June,97 stumble during relay, patella-femoral injury, PT. No problems with left knee 'til now.

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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2003, 03:53:58 AM »
Hi Chris

I agree that there may also be something going on with the MCL; I am convinced that being overzealous in PT strained mine and now that I have backed off (and gotten orthotics) the pain is much better.

At this point I think you absolutely would need the icing and NSAIDS, particularly after working out. I know I do. My trainer said that it's important to keep the swelling down, and you are asking a knee that's already injured to perform, so it's bound to complain a little.

Have you ruled out chondromalacia as a possible source of your problems? I know I had the medial meniscal tear in conjunction with the chondro, and to this day it's the chondro that continues to cause issues for me.

I think our health care systems are a little different here...I belong to a PPO, which means that I don't need a referral to see any specialist. I can just call them.

In addition, because my job takes me all over, I can see any doctor, any where, at any time, and it is covered to at least some degree. So I have seen an ER doctor in New Hampshire and an ear specialist in San Diego...Thank you Southwest Airlines! (my employer, who I LOVE!)

Please don't get discouraged...I know that's hard when the pain recurs and you feel you are doing everything "right." Your body will set the schedule, not you, and that is a hard lesson for any athlete to learn. This is one time where patience is the ONLY thing required of you...please keep us posted on what's going on...Susan
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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2003, 04:39:13 AM »
Susan

Hey I am very happy for you when you say you love the Co. you are employed with. Hang on to that job! Me, well 28 yr. with a public service employment (Prov. Govt.) and a layoff last year due to political fiscal restraints under a misguided ideology. At least I was able to accept early retirement. Aaaanyways (enough of that) I now have ample time to deal with this present knee problem.

Yes this new difficulty is probably due to what I think happened on the gait analysis, to these exercises and most likely to my going hard lately every day on the elliptical trainer & sometimes the stairmaster. Cycling is the chief way I get around and to have to now maybe back off that is getting hard to deal with :(. Well, pool running, easy walking, swimming (crawl stroke) easy stationary cycle as well as these exercises (which I can do) and lotsa lotsa frozen H2O as well as Naproxin (got scared off Vioxx from reading up on these) will have to be the norm.

I wonder if working on upper body strength would help, maybe generally, can do quite a bit with the Swiss Ball


Thanks Susan

Appreciate your input

Chris
Arthrocsopic surgery on left knee for patella plica & partial synovectomy, Nov., 1982 No problems until June,97 stumble during relay, patella-femoral injury, PT. No problems with left knee 'til now.

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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2003, 06:32:38 AM »
Susan, you mentioned chondromalacia? Well I recall an injury June 1997, stumbled during a relay, had intense pain under kneecap for over a month. P.T. etc. finally resolved this. Recently a chiro was looking at my X-ray and asked if I had at some time broken my kneecap. Maybe a small piece of bone could be floating around in knee? Sometimes after runs my kneecap is quite tight and needs to be manipulated. Lately this isn't the case though the area under kneecap is a bit sensitive.
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Re: Bad Left Knee
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2003, 07:44:28 AM »
Chris,

I just started taking Vioxx last week. On DAY TWO I could tell a HUGE difference!!  :o  Less pain than in a year!!!   I was afraid to even hope that it could be the Vioxx, because it happened so quickly.  Vioxx works better on me than ANYTHING else I have done so far to eliminate the pain.

It's amazing.   Of course it won't heal up anything but just having these relatively pain free days has been incredible for me.  I was worn out from the pain.

If you do a search and read the side affects of other similar drugs they are pretty much the same.  

The relief I've had has been like a breath of spring air to me!!!  

You might try a couple of days and see if it helps you dramaticly, like it did me.  I can actually get up out of a chair and WALK!  

gayle