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Offline amyrs

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Only 24 yrs old and terrible knee pain!
« on: January 27, 2003, 04:05:44 AM »
I can't tell you how happy I am to have found this board!!

I'm hoping someone can suggest what may be wrong with my knees and who I should see about them.

About a year ago I started jogging and noticed my right knee a little sore.  I was never able to increase my running time past 15 - 20 minutes without having to miss several days because of soreness.

I joined the local YMCA a few months after and decided to start biking, thinking that my knees were just not built for jogging. I was able to bike for 40 minutes, but still wasn't able to do more than 3 days in a row before
having to miss again. While biking I had to put the seat up really high, because it felt like I couldn't stretch my leg out all the way. A few weeks later, I noticed my right knee clicking while biking, which never happened before.

The climax of the story is the day I had to stand on my feet (rushing around) at work for 6 hours straight with no break to sit down. I assumed I would have leg aches that night, since I wasn't used to standing for that long. By the time I went to bed, my left knee was so sore I could barely walk.  The next day I had to miss work because I couldn't even make it up/down the stairs. My right knee was fine, but my left knee hurt into my thigh when I put any pressure on it. It hurt to touch it, like a bruise.

If I turn suddenly I will get that same sharp pain, but never to the degree of that day last year.  It's mostly when I've been sitting or standing for a while that they're so stiff I can't put weight on them.  If I try to sit with my legs tucked under me I'll feel a sharp pain into my thigh.  Nothing seems to relieve the aching - straightening them or pulling them up doesn't seem to make a difference.

As I said, that was over a year ago and I STILL haven't been able to work out.  All I can do is walk, and not much at that.  If I sit on the floor I won't be able to put weight on my legs when I get up and hobble around like
an old lady most of the time.  

I'm only 24 and I'm getting married in 5 months!  I want to be able to work out and lose the bit of weight on my hips and butt I've gained while resting.  I don't know of any exercise to do that  encourages weight loss that you don't use your legs for.  I've been doing a little Pilates, but even that I end up hurting my back because I can't straighten my legs out flat to support my back.

The pain and stiffness I feel is in both knees, not just the left - both are constantly dull/achy.  My doctor thinks I need some sort of shoe supports, but the referral will take at least a few months, and I'm afraid that won't be enough time to get feeling better before the wedding.  I would like to be able to do more than hobble around on my honeymoon.  I feel like I'm cheating my fiance out of a fun vacation because I'm not able to do any sort of activities.  My doctor seems to think that my knees just weren't built for running, but I need a better answer than that!  At this rate I'm never going to be able to exercise again and I'll be limping down the aisle to my husband!

I noticed today in the phone book that there are some physiotherapy clinics that accept patients without a referral - should I give that a shot already instead of waiting for my doctor's referral?

Does this sound like a specific injury to anyone?  ANY advice is greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance for any advice.  
Amy
« Last Edit: January 27, 2003, 04:06:31 AM by amyrs »
Knee pain since 2001, braces, physio, taping didn't work, surgeon says its related to my other neurological problems!!

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Re: Only 24 yrs old and terrible knee pain!
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2003, 02:27:05 PM »
Firstly Welcome to the board Amy, Nice to meet you, although meeting under better circumstances than knee injury would likely make all of us much more happy  ;D
My only suggestion Amy would be to get a referral to either a sports medicine doctor or an Orthopaedic (one who specialises in Knees is best, same with the Sports Med).
The injury could be just about anything and you will probably need tests (such as physical examination, x-rays, MRI and maybe even blood tests etc to rule out fracture, including stress fracture, Ligament injuries, Chrondomalacia, Arthritis and much much more, such as Cysts, strain, tracking problems and OH so much more that can wrong with these poorly designed joints of ours.
The doctor may simply suggest a course of PT (physiotherapy) or may suggest further tests/ treatments or maybe even surgery. But until you find out more as to what it is , you can't really start to get better. Also you can get referred pain from feet and ankles or hips and back into your knees and legs too.
Good luck, and Congratulations on the up coming wedding.
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Re: Only 24 yrs old and terrible knee pain!
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2003, 03:35:32 PM »
Welcome to the board, though I wish you didn't need it... you have found the place to be if you have ouchy knees.
Congrats on your upcoming wedding..how fun!
I am sorry to hear that your knees are giving you such troubles, how frustrating.  
Trying out the Physio therapy clinic sounds like a perfect idea. Physio Therapists are pretty good, as they deal with knee injuries and rehab from surgery every day of their lives.   You should also see if you can get a referal to an Orthopeadic Surgeon. They are especially trained to deal with knees, Family doctors, they spend about two weeks on the knee in med school... so you need to get to someone who has a better idea about knees.
While you are in the process of doing all this, try not to stress your knees, ie sitting on the floor, and Really you should try not to  have your knees past 90 degrees... at all, but I know it is hard.
You could look up Patella Femorla Syndrome and Patella Femoral Pain Syndrome and see if it sounds like what you are experiencing.  
As far as running, what kind of surface did you run on? Did you get new sneakers before you started Jogging. There are running shoes out there, that are designed with wedges, that either force your foot inward or outward on impact.  If you don't know that your feet pronate either in or out you should wear a neutral shoe.  A running shoe with a wedge can be identified by a dark patch on the side of the soul, if the rest is white and on the inside or outside of the foot there is a grey or black patch, that would indicate a wedge. The problem is most shoe sales people have no idea, and alot of them.. don't even know that shoes have wedges. Just a thought. I was a competitive runner in my school years, started half marathoning with my Mom when I was 4 .  I can't run anymore... running is awful for you knees . Try cycling...it might help, alot of Physio Therapy places use exercise bikes for knee patients, because it is much less impact on the joints.  Take it one day at a time, and don't let the other posts on here freak you out. People who have succeeded in getting better, aren't here anymore. Anywho I will stop rambling..because I am certain you will fall asleep before you finish reading this.
Take care,and if you have any other questions feel free to ask.
Take care and good luck
Linds
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Re: Only 24 yrs old and terrible knee pain!
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2003, 03:37:17 PM »
I agree that you should probably see someone who specializes in knees. It would be good to have a diagnosis before you went into PT. As for burning calories without using your legs, try the arm bike. It gives you a good cardio workout without using your legs at all. Good luck.

Janet
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Re: Only 24 yrs old and terrible knee pain!
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2003, 01:18:35 AM »
Hi folks, thanks for your replies.

My fiance made me an appointment with a physiotherapist just down the street from where I work for Friday at lunchtime.  I'm so happy to get something so soon.  The secretary told him they will run a bunch of tests to figure out if I should be directed in a ortho or physio direction.

I'll post and let you know how it goes!

Amy
Knee pain since 2001, braces, physio, taping didn't work, surgeon says its related to my other neurological problems!!

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Re: Only 24 yrs old and terrible knee pain!
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2003, 01:19:49 AM »
Good luck look foward to hearing the outcome of the appointment. Take care
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Re: Only 24 yrs old and terrible knee pain!
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2003, 01:20:05 PM »
Hi
Here is a link to the main website where you can read up about patello-femoral disorders, as it is quite likely that your problems fits into this category:
http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/html/step_05_patella/step_05_mechanics.html
Particularly read up about synovial plica (or plicae - plural).

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Re: Only 24 yrs old and terrible knee pain!
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2003, 07:21:47 PM »
As a 25-year-old with knee pain, I sympathize!

Have you tried swimming for exercise?  Check around for indoor pools in your area (does your YMCA have one?).  It's aerobic and you can take all the weight and pressure off your knee.

And make sure you get plenty of rest before your wedding!  (I know, easier said than done... but really try to delegate some of the work to your bridal party and fiance.)

Good luck!

Cheers,
Barb
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Re: Only 24 yrs old and terrible knee pain!
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2003, 11:48:55 PM »
Well, I'm back from my appointment!

The verdict is a maltracking patella.  He moved my legs around a lot and watched me walk and knew right away what the problem was.

He taped both knees and hooked me up to some sort of electro current thing to get my quads working.  It was very painful!

I'm so glad I at least know what it is I've been going through.  I have a list of exercises to do and another appointment next week.

The only problem was, my knees were so sore and because of the taping - I can hardly bend them and had to leave work after going at lunch because I couldn't sit at my desk!  

Is this normal?  Maybe he taped them too tight?  I can't miss work every time I go!

It was such a relief to hear him say that I will be able to get back to normal eventually.

Oh, and I've tried swimming and still had pain.  :-[

Amy
Knee pain since 2001, braces, physio, taping didn't work, surgeon says its related to my other neurological problems!!

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Re: Only 24 yrs old and terrible knee pain!
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2003, 11:52:57 PM »
Amy,

If the tape hurt, be sure to tell the PT--especially that you couldn't bend your legs!  Maybe the method he used wasn't the right one for your particular pain and he'll have to try something else.  My right patella tracks laterally, but when the PT puts tape on it to bring it to the inside, it feels like my kneecap is being mashed into the joint.  I hated it, and couldn't bend my knees.  So we tried some other methods and now they PT does the tape in a V shape below my knee, with extra pressure on the outside to bring the kneecap in without mashing it down.  Much better!

Heather

PS I have tracking problems and swimming is very painful for me as well.  Something about being on your stomach and doing the flutter kick makes loose knees goe all over the place.  Once your muscle balance improves you should be able to swim more comfortably.
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