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are MRIs always accurate

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Offline morgan515046

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PLEASE HELP!!!
« on: May 15, 2005, 05:30:39 AM »
i was running hurdles and i fell on my knee on march 29th. i went and got x-rays a couple of weeks later and took them to a sports medicine doctor he told me that there was nothing wrong with it that it was just a really bad bruise. so i did some physical therpy and it got alot worse so when i went back to the same doctor he told me that the bruise would heal and that it would just take alot of time. so i went to an OS and he ordered an MRI thinking that it was a torn meniscus. so i got the MRI and he read it and said that it was just fine and that my muscles were just in a really bad spasm. he ordered some physical therpy and told me to not do sports and come back in 4 weeks. the pain just keeps getting worse and the physical therpist thinks that it could be a pinched nerve but yet said that i dont have some of the symptoms. so i am going to the cyropractor on monday and he is supposed to help me. someone please help me....i dont know if MRI's are always accurate and am wondering if i should have it scoped. beacause that is what some of my coaches have suggested and i am also wondering if i should be on crutches? i would really appreciate the help thanks
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« Last Edit: May 15, 2005, 04:04:27 PM by morgan515046 »
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3/29/05 Track hurdle incident
7/6/05 surgery for menisectomy
8/9/05 Possible RSD???
10/11/05 Patella Tendonitis from not rehabing all the way.

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Re: help!!!
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2005, 02:08:50 PM »
Hi,

In my experience MRI's are not the final word in any diagnosis. They can and often do miss problems. I do know that bone contusions can take a very long time to heal.  I would get a second opinion if you are uncertain that your doctor is catching or understanding all of your concerns and  pain.

Good luck,
Goose
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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2005, 06:40:12 AM »
goose,
when i was at the PTa week ago she told me that i might want to go to a ciropractor and have him pop my back and stuff back into place...so i went to the ciropractor and he told me that my the bone thats at the bottom outside of your leg (i dont know what its called) was rotated and pushed forward so he popped it back into place and said that it should get better by the next day and that if it doesnt then its something else too. so it didnt get any better so he said that i might want to go back to my OS and see what he had to say cause i was leaving the next day to go to world finals for odyssey of the mind. so i went to the OS and he saw me and told me that MRI's are perfect well 99.9%! and asked me if my parents forced me to play sports and then came up with the conclusion that i was faking an injury and that i didnt want to do sports but if he actually knew me then he never would have said that because my parents dont force me to do anything i love to play sports i was still going to play softball this summer but they wouldnt let me....she after he told me that it was all in my head...i have a teacher that is an EMT and his daughter had to have knee surgery when she was my age...so he gave me the name to a specialist in Amarillo TX that im going to go see on June 14th....but he also told me that MRI's are about 70% accurate and that there's plenty of people who have an MRI and nothing shows up but somethings wrong. my ciropractor told me the same thing so i think im going to take all of your advice and my teachers and the ciropractors and go see another doctor besides the one that thinks that i am insane..thanks for all the help i will keep you updated
morgan
« Last Edit: May 27, 2005, 05:56:07 PM by morgan515046 »
*14 years old*

3/29/05 Track hurdle incident
7/6/05 surgery for menisectomy
8/9/05 Possible RSD???
10/11/05 Patella Tendonitis from not rehabing all the way.

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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2005, 10:48:32 AM »
Morgan,
If you are feeling that this doctor is accusing you of faking your injury then I'd go to one that is going to listen properly to your concerns and take you seriously.  MRI's are known to miss things and in fact my OS was so certian of my ACL tear that he said we'd not bother with the MRI because quite frankly they are expensive and dont always show what is going on.  He said that since he was 95% sure of the tear we would go for the scope and reco while we were in there if needed (which it was needed... he was 100% correct).  If I were you I'd seek out someone who comes highly recommended and get another opinion.  Keep going till you are satisfied... you know your body the best....
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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2005, 11:30:16 AM »
I agree with Alla and Goose.  MRIs are useful, but not foolproof.  My OS didn't order MRIs -- he took one look at my xrays, examined my knees and told me what is wrong.  He said that an MRI wouldn't show him anything he didn't already know or any tears he wouldn't see when he goes in...so get another opinion.  I'm glad you're seeing a specialist.  Your original doc could be right -- it could be a deep bone bruise, which hurt like all get-out and take ages to heal...but he could be wrong too.

Let us know what's going on.
Jen
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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2005, 04:40:17 PM »
Morgan
in my own case, I was sent for an MRI scan which I specialist said was clear and another wasn't sure....then I went for a bone scan and a spec scan which provided the conclusive evidence that there was a problem (in fact I was operated on yesterday)..... so didn't expect the MRI to give you conclusive results
good luck
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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2005, 05:00:12 PM »
Morgan, My first MRI was an open one and showed nothing. The last one was closed, and showed all kinds of things, some of which my OS found when he scoped, some of which he didnt find. So, no, MRI's are not fool proof. You know the best how you are feeling. If you feel you are not getting better, get another opinion. Thats what I am gonna have to do too. I know, it all stinks, huh? Hope you have better days ahead. Keep us up to date on whats going on....

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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2005, 06:09:16 AM »
so when i go to this new doctor do ya think that hes going to scope it????i just want some answers im kinda scared im only 14 and i just want to get back to playing sports!!!!!

thanks for the replies

morgan
*14 years old*

3/29/05 Track hurdle incident
7/6/05 surgery for menisectomy
8/9/05 Possible RSD???
10/11/05 Patella Tendonitis from not rehabing all the way.

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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2005, 07:27:31 AM »
Morgan,
Do not always assume that a second opinion will automatically mean surgery. Because of your age, many doctors are VERY skeptical (or even against) doing a scope -- you are young. While it can be very disheartening and frustrating, it's key that you keep up with your rehab and make sure you strengthen those muscles. An MRI will not always yield correct results (they can sometimes, or even often, show false negatives -- especially open MRIs, which do not get as clear of a picture as a closed MRI), but again, with your age, I'm not so sure a doctor will want to do a scope.

While I don't know if you have suffered worse than a bone bruise, you should also know that bone bruises can be very painful, if not, MORE painful than structural damage to the knee. They can even take months to heal! IMO bone bruises can sometimes be worse than structural damage because there's nothing you can really do other than ice and rest. Stinks, doesn't it?

Your (new) doctor will probably order more tests (MRI, radiographs, etc), you may want to push for a bone scan if these tests come back negative/inconclusive again.

It's important to stress your concerns and worries with this doctor -- let them know how much discomfort and pain you are in. No one should have to deal with knee pain, especially someone as young as 14!

Best wishes,
Patricia
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08/03-meniscal repair, LR
01/04-MUA, LOA
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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2005, 10:33:30 AM »
I agree with patricia another opinion doesn't necessarily mean surgery at all.   I'm glad that you have this chiropractor helping you, I have one too, and I find that he's pretty great to talk to aobut all this stuff as is my PT.
You don't want to go on to crutches and be non-weight bearing unless you absolutely can't put the weight on the leg. This will encourage muscle atrophy, and it's not easy to gain back lost quad strength. I do recomend taking it super easy til you find out what's going on with the knee. It could be a  Patello femoral problem.
MRI's are not completely accurate, alot of it depends on the person who reads it as well as the quality of the training of the person who actually takes the scan.  I have had 5MRI's i think.. can't exactly remember 4 or 5 anyway... The most any of them showed was some inflammation.. so that wans't so helpful... there are other thing that give a good indication ... such as merchant view xrays and bone scans..
Goodluck with this next opinion and I hope you can get to the bottom of this soon

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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2005, 12:58:08 PM »
Morgan,
I am 14 too and I had an MRI which did not show everything the doctor anticipated. My knee pain is getting worse from day to day, and they all knwo surgery should be done but none of them wants to do it because of my age. I have tried PT, taping, braces, etc and tnohing has helped.

Like many others suggested, a second opinion is always good,have they put you in PT or nything?
Krista
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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2005, 01:07:38 PM »
Morgan,

Hi, I agree with what Krista is saying.  Maybe you do need surgery, but doctors are very hesitant to do surgery on someone your age unless they have no other choice.  Second opinions are always a good idea though, the more information you can learn about your knee problems the better your chances of being healed.

There are growth plates involved etc. etc. etc..........

PT & chiropractors take a long time to work.

Good luck,

Shade


 

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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2005, 05:50:17 PM »
hi everyone,
i have been to the PT but it made the pain alot worse so i stopped going after like 3 weeks....i have a question for all of yall.....is my knee still supposed to be really swollen??? like on the side of it it is really big...and i dont know how to explain this but kindof lumpy?  ???
       
thanks for any replies

Morgan
*14 years old*

3/29/05 Track hurdle incident
7/6/05 surgery for menisectomy
8/9/05 Possible RSD???
10/11/05 Patella Tendonitis from not rehabing all the way.

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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2005, 05:59:39 PM »
Morgan,

It takes along time for swelling to go down - it took me three months of pt doing ultrasound treatments three times a week before I got rid of all the swelling. Everyone is different though. I used alot of ice pacs and elevated my legs as much as possible.

If you have swelling it is weird that the doctor thought nothing was wrong with your knee. Really think you might need another opinion.

Shade

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Re: PLEASE HELP!!!
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2005, 06:01:49 PM »
Shade,
thanks so much for all your advice you've been a big help.....im just really scared and dont know what to do....my parents have done all they can to get me in to see another doctor and all but i guess that was to soonest appointment...

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Morgan
*14 years old*

3/29/05 Track hurdle incident
7/6/05 surgery for menisectomy
8/9/05 Possible RSD???
10/11/05 Patella Tendonitis from not rehabing all the way.

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