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Offline BBall12

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Glucosamine Chondrotin......Good Drug???
« on: December 28, 2004, 07:50:09 AM »
Hi,
I am a basketball player who had an acl reconstruction one year ago.  Fixed using my petella tendon.  Im am doing well and able to play some bball but my knee is always sore and hurts.  The pain is its worst when doing squats, walking down stairs and on extension some times depending on how the knee is acting. My doc says that is is possible that i have some sort of inpingement problem and that time will heal it.  He did not describe what i can do to help it or what exactly it is.  I think im going to have another doc look at my knee and see what he thinks is causing my pain.  I am 22 years old by the way.

Anyway now comes the question about Glucosamine Chondritin.  Has anyone had experiences with it??  Or know if it is a good drug to take.  I had a friend tell me at the gym that itr promotes a good fluid in your knee.  Anyway i am very curious on anyones thoughts or experieces with starting to take this drug and if it helps pain problems and such.  Tring to come up with something that might help my knee and very interested in knowing more about Glucosamine Chondroitin.

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Re: Glucosamine Chondrotin......Good Drug???
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2004, 04:44:52 PM »
I think the results from Clucosamine and Chondrotin are very individual!  Some people love it and others say they get no relief.

My hubby loves the stuff while my mom get no benefits. I cannot take them because I have a sulfa allergy.

But it could not hurt to try!! You may be one who gets great benefits from it. My hubby says is greatly diminishes the ache from arthritis. He knows when he forgets to take it. After a couple of days he will say man my knee is sore.

Hope this helps a bit
Paulette


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Re: Glucosamine Chondrotin......Good Drug???
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2004, 07:07:48 PM »
I agree, results depend on the individual.  I take them, they hepl some, but every little bit of help is welcome.

Maybe you'll be one of the lucky ones that derive great benefits from the Glucosamine and Condrotin.

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Re: Glucosamine Chondrotin......Good Drug???
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2004, 11:02:28 PM »
I take Glucosamine/Chondroitin too. I only notice that it helps when I stop taking it and I have to take the "Tripple" or "Maximum" strength kind to get any benefit. My OS says it can't hurt you, so you might as well try it to see if you get any relief.
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Re: Glucosamine Chondrotin......Good Drug???
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2004, 11:33:22 PM »
Glucosamine and chondroitin aren't really going to help if you have scar tissue that is causing an impingement problem.  And these problems seldom resolve themselves--have you been seen by a specialist orthopedic surgeon for a second opinion?  If you do have scar tissue causing extension problems and impingement of the fat pad or other structures in the knee, it should be seen and addressed by a specialist.  But you could have something else entirely--this problem actually has significant overlap of symptoms with other knee problems.  The only way to tell for sure is to be seen by a doctor who deals with scar tissue AND other knee problems.

You might want to read up on scar tissue/arthrofibrosis in the 'soft tissue healing problems section.'  Also, check out some of the posts of people with similar issues in the Cruciates section.  Check out CheekyBoy's extensive post on ACL graft problems and impingement.  There are also several ACL-based posts in the soft tissue healing problems section, especially from Jennifer123, SarahSmile, and Laurie.

If you are really having ongoing problems, it's worth getting a second opinion from a doctor who has done a lot of work with scar tissue and complications following ligament reconstruction.  That way, you will know for sure what is going on and what to do about it.  This is particularly important because the treatment options are very different depending on the issues the patient might have.  For example, last year ATSoccergirl cited research that was done on glucosamine possibly being linked to scar tissue problems.  

So before you start treating pain and ongoing issues, be sure what it is that is causing the problems!  Scar tissue is not terribly common, though it is often seen after ACL recon with a patellar tendon autograft.  I've had a lot of doctors dismiss scar tissue as the cause of my ongoing pain and issues, when in fact it was the boogeyman--at least in my knee.  YMMV, so it's important to get it checked out.  There are a handful of doctors who deal with many scar tissue patients around the country--if you post where you live we could suggest the nearest one to you.  When seeking a second opinion, it is very important to get it from the right kind of doctor!!  I got a second opinion before my second arthroscopy, and that doctor couldn't shed any light on the situation...he didn't have the qualifications.  If I'd only seen my current surgeon (the 7th one I've seen in 3 years), then I could have gotten diagnosed and treated appropriately.  Scar tissue that is causing problems does not necessarily resolve itself--it doesn't go away.  It sits in the knee.  And if it is getting pinched, inflamed, irritating things...it can actually change the landscape in there by pushing things out of place.

So just be sure the second opinion doctor you see has a background in treating problematic ACL recons and scar tissue woes, since that has been identified as the likely culprit.  Given your extension problems, it sounds like a good bet.

I would hold off on glucosamine until you find out what exactly your problem is, simply because questions have been raised about whether it contributes to scar tissue problems.  No one has any answers, as the glucosamine trials are ongoing in this country.

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Re: Glucosamine Chondrotin......Good Drug???
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2004, 11:43:55 PM »
My OS and PT agree that the results vary by individual.  Both state that any benefit is probably due to a placebo effect.  I think I'll give it a shot and see if it helps me...I'll try anything at this point!

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Re: Glucosamine Chondrotin......Good Drug???
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2004, 08:37:16 PM »
Hmmm... There have been plenty of studies that I've read about that used both placebo and glucosamine, and those with the placebo pills generally did not report any benefits, while those who took the real deal reported quite a bit of benefits particularly at the 8-week point. I wonder if that OS and PT are basing their opinions on fact or hearsay. My OS takes glucosamine himself (he doesn't recommend the chondroitin combination because, based on studies,  there is not enough evidence that chondroitin provides much benefit). He has terrible knees, and he finds that the glucosamine supplement really helps.

I didn't think I noticed a real difference until I got closer to three months of 1,000 mg glucosamine twice/day, so I figured I'd be one of the ones who doesn't get any benefit. I was about to give up on it, but then I started noticing that the discomfort I've been feeling in my knees for the past twelve years is gone. It's a pain that bothered me when I got up off the floor and/or when my quads were not up to par (which they are not right now due to the fact that I was recently chair-bound with bone bruises in my knees for months).

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Re: Glucosamine Chondrotin......Good Drug???
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2004, 10:52:52 PM »
Thanks everyone for your posts.  I think i will give the Glucosamine Chondrotin a shot. It can't hurt right??
I was a few days ago able to play some 3 on 3 basketball for the very first time in a year since my acl recon. I was very exited but had to fight through some pain and soreness which i deal with on squats and jumping. I just sucked it up. My knee killed the next day and of course is always sore no matter what. So maybe the Glucosamine chondrotin will ease some of the soreness in time. Anyone know of a good brand of the stuff to buy??  I have heard that since it is not FDA regulated that you have to be carefull to buy stuff that is not fake.

Also,  I heard some talk about just taking the Glucosamine part of the drug. What is the Glucosamine part of the drug do and what does the Chondroitin part of the Drug do???  I am torn between taking just glucosamine or the drug with chondrotin in it as well.  Any suggestions and what the purposes of each part are???

THanks and happy new year everyone!