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Title: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 09, 2011, 02:33:02 AM
My daughter had a Fulkerson osteotmy/MPFL reconstruction on Feb. 3 and has only been home for 2 days. Pain is under control with lots of narcotics but she has begun to run fever of 101.6, anyone with any advice. This is her third knee surgery and she is only 13 years old. The last surgery she had both knees done at once, we learnt our lesson there. This time she had only her left knee done, we will work on the right one in a year or so. I think I am just looking for some support and reassurance that I made the right decision for my baby! Thank you!
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: smillie on February 09, 2011, 04:00:27 AM
Do you have discharge instructions? My OS's instructions say to call immediately if there is a fever of 101.5 or more. See what your instructions say. You may need to call.

It is a big surgery and may even be scarier for the person supporting the patient. Hang in there! There are many diaries in the post-op diary area for TTTs and MPFL reconstructions. It may help you to read a few of them to get an idea of what to expect. But if that would do more harm than good tonight, then you may want to wait for a bit. It is a really painful surgery, especially in the first few days. But it is going to get better. It's kind of a long haul recovery, but she'll get there!
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 09, 2011, 04:21:47 AM
Purplechick13
It really is a rough surgery. I would call someone to check. Especially as that fever is present with all the meds. Better to be safe than sorry.
The Mom thing can be so difficult. We would take all the pain ourselves if we could.  Hang in there it does get better, but this will be a fairly lengthly recovery especially for someone so young but that can also be a positive, they do tend to heal faster. Just pop back and keep us up dated and we will do our best to ease your fears and apprehension. Tell that brave girl of yours she will get better.  She does need you to be as positive as you can be.
Take Care, :)
Rknees4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Skiier Jo Jo on February 09, 2011, 09:10:12 AM
Did you call?  Is she OK?  Saw this this morning and it sounds like a possible infection.....although could also be just a nasty cold/flu virus.
Skier JoJo
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: keepupwith on February 09, 2011, 09:33:28 AM
Hope she's better today, but if not contact the doctor. The pain meds should be relieving the temperature somewhat and if they aren't she needs checking out. Good luck
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 09, 2011, 02:29:50 PM
I sure appreciate having some one to talk to that knows what she is going through. I did call the OS, he had me give her some Tylenol and we put ice packs under the arm pits. The fever is down to 99.8, still watching it. We have yet to see the incision, it is wrapped pretty tight and she is afraid to remove the brace for any reason. However I am more concerned that she has such a nasty cough with the fever. I have heard many times people come down with pneumonia after surgery. She sees OS Monday morning to have bandages changed, can anyone prepare us for we will see under the bandages? This website has been so helpful because of some of the posts I read before surgery I was able to ask for things like the femoral block which help control the pain for the first 23 hours. Thank everyone who has replied I needed to know there were people to talk to.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 09, 2011, 02:40:57 PM
Yes she could have pneumonia. Trust your mom instincts. If you think someone should see her because of the cough go bundle her up and take her. better to be safe than sorry. Call your GP to get his/her take on the prob.
As for what is under the bandages every surgeon does this differently she could have one long incision to 3 or 4  small ones. Tell her they will all get pale and will hardly be noticeable. Hang in there MOM things will get better the early days are the hardest pain wise but when PT starts be prepared for many tears and an angry little girl.
We are here for you there is always someone on.  Try just to keep one thread going .
Take Care,
Thoughts and prayers coming your way.
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: smillie on February 09, 2011, 04:18:44 PM
When I had my TTT/LR/VMO surgery, the thing I dreaded most was looking at my knee the first time. I had one incision several inches long down where the TTT was done and a second incision several inches long where the VMO work was done. But it definitely varies from surgeon to surgeon. And yes, I was very afraid to take the brace off for any reason. It's normal and you get through it eventually. Poor girl and poor mom! You're going to make it--just grit your teeth and get through these early days and it will get easier.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: MUMofpain on February 09, 2011, 05:13:35 PM
I've just logged in to say hello to you.  I hope all is ok with your daughter with regard to her temperature and cough. 

I totally get where you are with regard to having a child who has just gone through knee surgery.  Unfortunately I can't help or give advice with your daughter's particular type of surgery because my son had different surgery, an acl reconstruction last month after an accident in September last year playing football but, even though he is a bit older at 16, I can empathise with you having a 13 year old to get through the next few weeks.

We came away from the hospital (in London, same day surgery in-and-out) with absolutely no information about what to do or expect after surgery other than one sheet of exercises and 5 days worth of pain killers. The nurses were suprised when I asked about icing the knee and thought it wasn't that important. Thats why the people on this forum have been so great, by filling in the bits you haven't been told.

I think the worse thing is when they are in pain and you cannot take it away.  My mantra is that yes it is awful at the moment but it will get better, its getting better each day and it will eventually be a distant memory. I must admit I had a good (private) cry for the first two nights but have pulled myself together now.  It is so imporant to be positive for them.

Schooling has taken a very second place to all of this, my main aim is too keep him as happy as possible until he gets his independance back.  I have just come off the playstation with him having had to play a motocross racing game for 2 hours to take his mind off his pain and bordom :-\! I am though hoping to loose a few pounds though running up and down the stairs a hundred times each day as there is always something left downstaris when I am up - usually ice :). Lots of little treats - I got him a Subway for lunch today as they are his favs. 

I know this isn't a very medical reply but, its good to know that there are people on this forum to listen to you. 
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 09, 2011, 10:46:32 PM
My daughter's first surgery went as well as your sons. We went into the hospital with the expectation she would have orthoscopic surgery and very tiny incisions on both insides of her knees, a surgery that was only to take an hour and a half. Three hours later I was told both of her knees needed to be opened and she would have 4-5 inch gashes on both knees. The doctor never even came out to talk to me. She was awaken, given crutches and kicked out the door with in an hour. I had no clue what to do. Isn't it frustrating?!
Guess it's all part of being a MOM though. At the same time my daughter was going through this ailment my son received a compressed fracture to the neck playing football at 9 years old. Guess we have to get used to these injuries as mothers of active children.
I have a third child, she is the eldest of the 3 and has begun track and field, pole vaulting of all things. So far she has had no serious injuries. She is also a dancer so she stays pretty limber. I wish my daughter was more into racing games, she wants to kill zombies all day, I just can't bring myself to play.
Thanks  for sharing your story with me, makes me feel more comfortable to know other moms have to go through these injuries with their children as well!
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 09, 2011, 11:10:25 PM
Purplechick13,
You tell that brave little lady of yours she will be great.  I will be doing a similar surgery with a few extras as I am 46, so I have to have some extra internal joint work, but will be in similar pain. When she is feeling better maybe you can let her post in your presence so we can all send her our best so she knows there are lots of KneeGeeks going through what she has.  She will find comfort that she isn't the only one. ;D
I have four daughters but have been fortunate to only had to deal with a broken toe and a broken thumb and a broken hand.
Hang in there she needs you to be strong so she knows everything will be fine
Take Care, and thanks for the best wishes.
You can do it little lady,  ;)
Rk4 8)
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 10, 2011, 01:03:44 PM
Purplechick13,
How's the little lady today.  Hope the fever has broken and all is healing.
Take Care,
Hang in there little lady.  ;)  About to join my littlest partner in pain.
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: MUMofpain on February 10, 2011, 11:44:04 PM
Hi.  Yes, I was also wondering how your daughter is today, and how you are doing.  I know it is hard to do anything other than just keep afloat at the moment especially as you have two other children also. 

It was funny reading your post about the fact that we have to put up with these injuries having such active and sporty kids. Saying that, my daughter is a bit of a couch potato but came home from school last week with a form for me to sign allowing her to go skiing next year!!!! As my son's injury primarily happens during football or skiing my son is saying don't let her go. What can I do? I have to let her go. I have friends who let their children just sit at home watching tv and playing on their ps 3s, they never have any injuries as they don't do anything.

Anyway, I hope you are feeling a little bit less worried than you were at first and have more information to go on. :)

Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 11, 2011, 03:00:14 PM
Morning Purplechick13
How is your little lady this today. I hope she is starting to feel better and more sure she will get better.
And how is MOM this morning?
Well have to go put my leg up.
Take Care,
Prayers coming your way. :)
Keep us posted on your progress together.
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 11, 2011, 04:53:56 PM
MUMofpain,
I agree with you, I would rather have my children get injured enjoying life than to have early health problems due to their inactivity. My girls have both started to join a skii club and then other things became more important and I'm not gonna lie I felt relieved. My 13 year old and my son have begged to play ice hockey but I have tried to steer them away from that also. Health insurance covers more than dental insurance!!! Hahahahah.
I am feeling so much better with all the comforting replies I have recieved. We actually started weaning her off the narcotics yesterday, she did pretty well. She needed to take a percocet about midway through the day. She also went on her first outing last night, she decided to go with me to pick up some pants she had picked out to fit over the brace. I think it was a little more than she bargained for. We live in the High Desert of California and it was about 43 degrees out last night and by the time she got to the back of the store she was dripping sweat, stripping her jackets. But we had a good laugh and got her back to the car very slowly.
How are things with your son? Is he getting back to what we call a normal life?
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 11, 2011, 05:00:18 PM
Oh my goodness rknees4, you are back posting already? How was your surgery? Are you feeling alright? I have told my daughter about all the support you have been giving me, even right before your own surgery. She can't wait to get on and thank you. We started weaning her off of the pain meds yesterday, she did pretty well. She took a percocet at around 3 in the afternoon, so that was pretty good. I'm not sure if we should take her off completely since she does start physical therapy on Tuesday. I have been told that pt may be pretty painful. She went out and walked through Kmart last night too. Think it was a little soon she's not planning any other outing until Monday when the doctor changes the bandages and hopefully removes the stitches. I've looked at others photos so I am prepared now to see what's under the bandages. Good thing she's a tom-boy, she thinks the scars are pretty cool, we like to come up with different stories about the scars. The last surgery the scars ended up looking like shark bites. Hahahaha. She's got her family coming up on Sunday to have dinner after church so that should raise her spirits. She's not so much down but bored.
I just want to say thank you again, it feels so good to have someone to talk to.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 11, 2011, 06:18:05 PM
Hey Purple,
I feel horrible but that is to be expected. All went as expected, much wear damage, and is gigantic today.  I am totally stoned while posting this so you will have to forgive the errors.  Don't cut back on the pain meds to fast.  This does hurt for a considerable length of time.  Make sure she gets something before bed so she will be comfortable while she sleeps. Yes make sure you give her something for pain about 45 minutes before PT.  Do your percs have a split line on them if they do give her half of one in the morning and regular ty 5or6 hours later and perc again before bed. The last thing she needs to remember about this is being in pain.
Bordom is a biig problem,Try and have friends over every few days and having something good to look forward to is a big help.  I am glad to hear the scars don't bother her. That will make your life easier as she ages. Nothing like WAR wounds. Yes this has to be the greatest site.
Well Take Care, and remember to take good care of yourself.  Take a break and have someone come and sit with her while you go for a walk or coffee. Your well being hinges on hers.
Let the little lady know I am thinking about her. ;)
If you have any questions just ask.
Prayers coming your way.
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: MUMofpain on February 11, 2011, 06:19:31 PM
Hi - Well, thanks for asking... all is a little bit up and down at the moment.  

Yesterday was a really good positive day and I felt we had turned a little corner.  Went to an ACL recovery group which the physio runs at the hospital (added a post in the Kneegeeks section under the spiritual help and encouragement section).  But when I collected him from school today, he had been in for a couple of hours, he was down.  

Being out of lessons for nearly 4 weeks has put him back and this is a crucial year.  I am confident that it will turn out ok in the end and again. putting on a positive face, I am saying this to him.  

There must be a link with children who do sports being very competitive in all areas, for my son this means school work also.  

I am so glad  :) to hear your daughter has been out. Such a good sign.  Very hot where you are, I don't know how you cope in that kind of heat.      

It is 18.15pm here now and I'm off to cook dinner.  Take care and I hope you have a lovely family gathering on Sunday after church.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 12, 2011, 04:56:11 AM
Purple,
Really stoned tonight. In pain, feel sick. :P  Good night and sweet dreams to you both. May tomorrow be a really goodone.
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: mermaids on February 12, 2011, 08:23:18 AM
Just found your thread.  Can't imagine having my child go through this.  Keep this in mind.... It is harder on you than it is on her.  Seriously.  Yes, there is pain and boredom, but I know how I get when my boys just have the flu. 

At her age, it is good to get her out for short jaunts and have friends over as much as you can tolerate it.  Netflix was my best friend.  When I couldn't sleep in the middle of the night, it was great to have a bunch of things recorded on the DVR. 

PT may be hard to watch.  It will start out slowly, but at some point, they will push her hard and it will hurt.  You know your child best.... will it be better if she doesn't have mom to whine to or will you be a source of encouragement?  The PT is really important.  Do you think she will be diligent about her home exercises?  If not, you may need to come up with some sort of motivation for her.  The good news, being young and fit, she will heal so much more quickly than us older folks.  You might have a hard time holding her back.  :) 
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 13, 2011, 02:59:09 AM
Rknees4,
You are so kind to check in on us even when you are in such pain. Those pain meds are a godsend and a devil in disguise at the same time. I sure hope you feel better soon. We will be praying for a quick recovery.
What kind of surgery did you just endure? Do you have family around to help you out? Get lots of rest and we will post back soon.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 13, 2011, 03:04:15 AM
Mermaids,
Thanks for the post, I thought about what you said, and you are right. I seem to be more tense and more stressed about her being in pain than she is. I am trying to let her let me know what she needs instead of being an over bearing mother.
I have been trying to at least get her to ride in the car with us, she normally doesn't want to get out but the fresh air blowing in her face at least makes her feel human. I think we have officially rented every movie available at redbox. We may have to move on to netflix. Luckily her and her brother received an xbox for christmas so this to has helped to combat the boredom. Like you said I think I worry more about her pain level and boredom than she does, besides she's getting to miss school (duh).
Thanks for the pt info
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 13, 2011, 03:10:11 AM
HEY Purple,
I had a TTT, Lateral release and scope clean up and scrape. No reconstruction like your little one. Yes I have my hubby of 25years and 2 of my 4 girls. I am well cared for along with several nurse friends and other helpers. I am very fortunate in that department. But being 46 makes for a longer road than your little lady. She will be skipping around before you know it. Slept most of the day just waiting to take the 11 oclock meds then back to bed.
Take care, hope you have a good weekend. Keep smiling little lady :D
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 13, 2011, 03:11:09 AM
Mermaids,
Sorry I hit the wrong button, guess i'll finish my post here....

I'm thinking of sitting in the waiting room while she does pt so as not to try and baby her. I want to be an encouragement to her but it's hard to watch total strangers push your child to tears. I can push her myself at home but not sure if I can handle watching it at pt. After her 1st surgery she pushed herself completely on her own. So much the physical therapist told us she was fine doing exercises on her own and released us after only two weeks of pt! Probably not such a good idea since we are now into surgery #2 for same issue. I have been worried that after this experience she would not want to do the right knee but she seems to be more ready to do the right knee now than ever.
Thanks for the encouraging words. So what kind of surgery holds you in this world of boredom?
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 13, 2011, 03:16:40 AM
Rknees4,
I am so knew at this I barely even know what my own daughter had, but I keep reading all these posts just like yours saying they had a TTT, may I ask what that is? That is so great you have such a good size family, it's not that often you meet people who have stayed married for any length of time. I also have been married to my husband for 17 years and have 2 other children besides Miranda. I'm glad to see it looks as if you are feeling a little better.
I start back to school on Monday. Little nervous to care for Miranda and the other two kids and school and having pt start but I know I will get through it with support from my new friends like you.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 13, 2011, 03:35:43 AM
Purple,
A TTT is where they move the piece of bone your knee cap tendon connects to in order to prevent and hopefullly keep the knee cap from disllocating and subluxing(partial dislocation) and a Lateral release cutds the tissues along the outside of the knee cap to help it trck better in conjunction with the TTT. and a clean up is just that.  The smooth out the cartilage on my medial side so it won't catch for at least a little while. Sorry to groggy to explain better.
You will be fine.  You just take it one step at a time.
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: hollilyric on February 13, 2011, 10:42:49 AM
I've had multiple arthroscopies, bilateral lateral releases and TTTs on both knees between the age of 15 and 28. Purplechick you did exactly the right thing - if i had had my knees realigned at the age of 12-13 when the cartilage was still growing i wouldn't be wheelchair bound with severe osteoarthritis now. I've had 4 operations and now am looking at cartilage regeneration surgeries (growing new cartilage in a lab and replacing my large areas of damage) or total knee replacements. my parents were told it was 'growing pains' and now they wish that they had pushed sooner so that i would have at least stood a chance of having a more active life. I have a 2 and a half year old and 10 month old so life in a wheelchair is pretty tough. I had TTTs done without the MPFL reconstruction and it is great that she had that at the same time as it helps to stop the TTT failing. I have really weak ligaments because of Ehlers-Danlos syndrome and so mine both failed after a few years as my ACL is twice as long as it should be and i've torn both of my medial ligaments

Post TTT - the first week is really painful, then it is sore for a few weeks and then it is all about strengthening your quads to support the new alignment of your knee.

all the best!
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: hollilyric on February 13, 2011, 10:45:27 AM
PS I got married when I was 20 and so will be celebrating my 9th wedding anniversary this year. i wouldn't be able to cope at all if it wasn't for my amazig husband x
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: MUMofpain on February 13, 2011, 06:35:07 PM
Hi.  Just logging in to say isn't it wonderful all this advice.  People on here are great in helping. 

This is what's needed, lots of reasurrance and first hand knowledge Medics can help so far but it really is good to speak with people who have gone through the same things even though everyone's story is different.   

My son had an awfully painful day yesterday.  I was still up at 3.00 in the morning, just couldn't sleep with concern (I won't say worry as I try not to!).  Thank God today he seems a bit better...hope yours and your daughters is good too.  :)

ps.  Just thought I'd join in... we will have been married 20 years in September :) :) :)
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 13, 2011, 08:36:17 PM
Rk4,
Hope all is well today. I understand the grogginess, how are you doing?
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 13, 2011, 08:41:37 PM
MUMofpain,
Yes I love this website, they should advice any persons going through knee surgery of this website. I think it should have been listed on our discharge papers! Hahaha.
I'm so sorry to hear your son had such an awful day, my daughter to had an awful night. I guess we have to come to expect the bad with the good. Keep your head up you seem to be a very good support for your son.
It seems to be all us strong ladies have a good strong support system behind us. Couldn't do it without the support of our husbands. It's so crazy too because so often it seems these trials tear marriages apart and the women on here I have spoke with it just seems to bring them closer to their husbands.
Hope today was a better day for your son and for you. Keep your faith, things will only get better!
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 13, 2011, 08:49:51 PM
holllyric,
Thanks for sharing your story with me, sure makes me feel better. As a mom it's always hard to see your child in pain and this has made me doubt my decisions. Thanks to you I am feeling confident about my decision again. I'm still not sure what the difference between a TTT and a Fulkerson osteotomy is, sounds about the same. My daughter also received graphs from a donor the OS was going to try and fold her cartilage but it was to damaged.
Will you be able to be more active if you opt to do the TKR? No matter what our children cherish our time and love more than our activity level. Cherish every moment of those babies of yours, they grow up way to fast to let anything, including bad knees get in our way. Do you mind if I ask you to explain to me what Ehlers-Danlos syndrome is?
Thanks again for the reassuring wisdom, I sure appreciate it.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 14, 2011, 02:57:17 AM
Purple
They are similar but different a Fulkerson takes a larger piece of tibia when reattached usually has more screws but not always the direction the piece of bone is reattached differs between TTT's. If you look at the info hub it tells you the difference.
Hope the little lady had a good day. Remember it is Ok to give her something for the pain if the heavy duty stuff worries you Extra strength ty is good.  She will have days where it doesn't hurt alot then the next day it can be very bad. No 2 days are the same. Hang in there both of you. ;)
Hope you have a good week. :)
Take Care,
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: hollilyric on February 14, 2011, 07:21:47 PM
yes there are different procedures which are all TTTs (tibial tuberosity transfer). my first surgeon did an elmslie-trillat...they are just the same basic process but different surgeons have preferences over the specifics.
ehlers-danlos is a genetic disorder which affects all connective tissue (skin, ligaments, uterus) and there are 6 different types. i have type 3 (sometimes known as hypermobility syndrome) which means by joints are affected but not my heart. i wasn't formally diagnosed until my pregnancy as a few things arose which meant i had to have 2 c sections and i was sterilised following my second son's birth. my ligaments are very weak because or it and so they would have to use donor ligaments if they choose to do any reconstructions...i will find out on march 15th what they have planned! I would be happy to have TKRs now as i have really poor quality of life and really struggle to do much with the boys.

my parents found it hard to put me through the surgery when i was 15 and they have had moments when they've regretted it because it didn't really help to slow the progression of my arthritis due to not being properly diagnosed with EDS. but as i said before - the earlier the better with these  types of things x
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 14, 2011, 10:50:43 PM
Hi Rk4 this is your little partner in pain, Miranda, i just wanted to say hi and thanks for talking to my mom and giving her some good advice. I hope i can start talking to you more often. Today i just got my stitches taken out . My doctor used just one stitch so i guess thats better than my last surgery wen she had about 20 in each leg. So when ever you reply back ill be reeeally haappyy!! :D
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Post by: Rknees4 on February 15, 2011, 12:39:13 AM
Hi Miranda,
It is so good to hear from you.  You just made my whole day. :D So it wasn't so bad getting the stitches out.  That is good.  Some Doctors realize that stitches aren't fun and put the zipper kind in there, then they only have to cut one knot and the come out so easy. :P Remember you still need to be careful, NO goofing around to rough yet ;) Hope to hear from you again soon.  I went for my first PT it wasn't so bad. It does hurt a little.  Just make sure mom gives you some tylenol before you have your first. :o
Take Care, TTYL. :)
Rk4 8)
Say HI to your Mom for me. Be good ;) and oh yeah TAG you are IT!!!!!!!!!! (your turn to post) ;D
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Post by: purplechick13 on February 15, 2011, 09:08:40 PM
Im back Rk4!! And my mom says HEY. Thanks for the advice for pt. I was supposed to have my first pt today but the doctor didnt send us or them exact guidelines so they wouldnt let me do it.YES!! :) lol.But i had to reshedule so i go back on thursday. :'(. So ill use your tyenol advice again. ;) But i got to go back to skool for a couple of minutes this morning and i got to do morning announcments. :) But we still had more time bfor we had to go to pt so we went to walmart and got some fabric to put on some padding for my arm hadle things and the armpits cause im starting to get some blisters!  
So good luck back to you too!!!!! :P  
TAG YOUR IT! YOU POST NEXT!!! ;D
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 15, 2011, 09:22:54 PM
Hey Miranda,
Now that was lucky getting out of PT. ;D I have it again on Thursday as well. :(  So glad to hear you got back to school for a bit. :D Those crutches can be hard on the pits and hands. ::)  That is a good idea to put some material on them, then they will have your personality all over them. 8) Me i did my home PT today and my knee has gotten as big as a basket ball. So back to the ice and putting it up.  Make sure you still take some time with that leg up and keep it cool 8) I know it can be boring but then it won't hurt too much.  Well have to go spend some time with my little girl she is 15 and started highschool in september.
You be good and don't hassle your mom too much ::)
Take Care and TAG your it.
Rk4 ;D
Hi Mom ;)
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 17, 2011, 02:45:03 AM
Hi Miranda,
So how is my little partner in pain? Hope you had a good day and that the knee didn't hurt as much as it has been. Looks like tomorrow is PT my knee is still swollen so It could be very interesting.  You will have to let me know how PT goes for you.. It is also OK to get a little mad if it hurts a bit use that to help you bend it.
Take care of your mom Miranda,Your big partner in pain ;)
Rk4 and TAG you are Still IT ;D
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 17, 2011, 11:45:48 PM
Hey Rk4, ;D
Your Litle Partner in Pain is back!!!! lol. Soo i had my first pt today it wasnt too bad ime just happy she was really nice!:) I was kinda of scared before i went but once i started it was super easy, well for the first day. So im glad your pt went well . I also got some paper of excercises i have to do at home. Like walL walk things were i have to walk my leg down the wall to bend it or another way to bend it was heel raise were i just have to walk my heel up. I can only bend my knee about ten degrees but the pt ladie said that was ok cuz it was my first time. :) THANK GOODNESS! Soo i hope your pt keeps going good......
I had A question that im not sure youll be able to answer buuuut ill ask any how. My knee keeps cracking mostly when i either stand up or when i sit down. It sounds and feels like when you crack your knuckles. Cuz it just feels so relived after it cracks....... HOPE TO HEAR BACK SOON!! :)

TAG!! If I was it then I tag you!! YOUR IT!! NOOOOOO TAG BACKS!! :P

 :D HOPE YOU GET BETTER TOO!!
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 18, 2011, 12:26:05 AM
Hey My little partner in pain. ;D  That was a great bend the first time out. ;D  It is kind of scary even for us old folks. :-\ You do all your PT at home just like they ask you too.  I know it does hurt sometimes but you have to do it to get up and running again. :D My knee is doing the crack crunch thing as well It is totally NORMAL it happens to all of us. JUst be careful.  If it ever hurts REALLY REALLY bad be sure to tell your MOM especially if it keeps hurting after the crunch and crack ::) Kind of reminds me of a bag of chips being stepped on. ;D
Well my PT went OK. PT thought I didn't look so good, so I told her if someone broke her knee up and a week later someone was asking you to bend it as far as you can you wouldn't look so good either.  I have 125 degree bend but we didn't have exactly the same surgery you had more soft tissue work that will cause you to bend a little slower.  So don't worry you didn't bend the same as I did. You still did wonderful. :D  The goal is just to get a little better everyday. ;)
Now I have to go help my daughter with some homework.
You take care and I WILL talk to you soon. :o  8) If you have any
other questions I will answer them if I can.  PT people are also good if you have any questions. ???
Be sure to put ice on your knee at night after PT it will help keep it from getting as big as a basketball. ;)
TAG you ARE IT ;D
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 18, 2011, 10:18:33 PM
Heey big partner in not to much pain!! I HOPE..lol. Im back with more of my info. I have been doing my at home pt!! :P :D Im still waitin for my knee to get as swollen as a basketball it hasnt happened yet i wanna play basketball with my knee!!!!  >:( ;DIt did get a little swollen. after i did the at home pt.
I di ask my pt about the snap crackle POP in my knee she said there are some things tht could be happening in there tht is causing it to crack tht is ok but just to check with the doc just in case but my doc has been gone for a while hell be back on monday i hope.... But the pt said it could just be either two bones rubbing against each other or a ligement rubbing ovr the bone or sumtin not to bad but just to check wit the doc just in caase.
Soo I hope both of are pts go good again and are pplz arent too meen!!!!! ;D TALK TO YOU SOON!!!

TAG YOU ARE IT!!!!!!! AND I SAAAAIIIID NOOOOOO TAG BACKS!!LOL.
 ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;) :) :) 8) :o :o
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 18, 2011, 11:05:21 PM
Hey Buddy
How are you? Glad to hear you did the Pt at home like you are supposed to do and that the knee didn't get as big as a basket ball that is really big you know. :o
Remember to ice and elevate yet.  You will need to do this for quite a while yet. ;D I CAN hear you moaninggggg!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) I have PT on Tuesday next week.  It is going to be hard for me to bend past 125 that is pretty far. You have a nice weekend Miranda and work hard on your Pt i will be checking in to make sure you are. ::)
Well have to go take something my knee hurts. :-\
Take care,
Tag your moms it. ;)
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 20, 2011, 12:07:22 AM
Hi Rk4,
Thanks for all the uplifting advice for my daughter. You have been quite an inspiration to her. She lets me know she has to do her home pt like rk4 told her to. Sorry i've been pretty busy making sure Miranda is getting her school work done and I started back to school again on Monday. Taking geography and anthropology. The knee crunch we are hearing is just a loud pop. She says it feels good, kinda like pressure building up then releasing. After it pops she's able to bend a little more too. PT said it could be an air pocket, or the ligament twisting, she said it could be normal but for us to tell the doctor as soon as possible so I went by the doctors office and he is out until Monday. The PT didn't release her to go back to school yet either, she said at least one more week, that makes me feel more comfortable too. I'd rather just keep her home until she's healed personally. She's a very good student, carries mostly A's in all honors classes. She only has 3 major core classes otherwise she has office TA, teacher TA, and ASB. Because she is so limited PT was actually pretty easy. She has to try and bend to 60 degrees within the next 3 weeks and she is suppose to get up to 50% weight bearing. She is getting around really well now though.
How is your recovery coming along. You have quite the range of motion. I just want to thank you so much for being a support for my daughter when I know you have your own children to cheer on. I also have a 15 year old daughter, I know they require a lot of your time.
Miranda has PT on Tuesday too so we will be thinking of you while you are both moaning!!!!!!
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 20, 2011, 03:24:19 AM
Hi Mom.
No problems.  It is hard when they are so young.  Especially as there are not alot of young people her age around her having such heavy duty surgery. It is so hard at that age being different. I see she is a little dynamite isn't she?  She is a pretty special young lady and I am sure you are very proud of the way she is handling everything. :) When they do this surgery it shifts everything within the knee causing the noises.  All us oldies on here have it  so to some degree it is normal. I think as long as it isn't painfull and doesn't cause pain and more swelling after you have nothing to worry about. Hey we all need support and that little girl of yours is doing some special  supporting for me too, she is helping me face this second round in a more positive light. I willl continue to encourage her if that is alright with you.  I see no one else has joined as this is an adult sight with a very small sprinkle of young teens, But please keep an eye on her as these sites can attrack some unwanted.
As for my recovery it will be long and painfull but been there done that once before.  My bend is way better this time than the first time through. It took me 4 weeks to get where I am now.
How is Miranda's pain levels.  I hope they have come down.  Just be aware she will have some pain on and off months from now just remember to treat is so she doesn't have the pain to remember just the positive of over coming a big mountain for such a young girl. Icing after her home PT remains important to keep the joint from swelling to much. She will get there it is just patience game and as mom you have to have enough for you and her.
Yes they do require lots of time but the few minutes here are good for both of us.  I have a 23 year old, a 20 year old an 18 year old and my baby is 15. All girls.
I have also come to learn kids will often listen to others before MOM so If it is ok I will continue to encourage her in hopes your job is a little easier until she is off and running again. ;) Thanks for your concern about the knee. That partner in pain will be flying around before I will that is for sure. Take Care and know that that little dynamite is a pretty special young lady and,
TAG SHE IS IT AGAIN ;D ;D ;D 8)
Rk4 
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: soozles on February 20, 2011, 05:39:27 PM
Hi purplechick and Mom! I can't relate to the pain or rehab of the big surgery you had, I only had a PCL reconstruction myself, but I am offering you my support in the rehab. And when you go back to school, you need to jazz up those crutches. You can go to a crafts store, by different fabrics or glues, and go crazy. Ribbons in your favorite color wrapping around the crutches like a candy cane, glue on some rhinestones. You have to give those things some personality. When I was going in for my surgery, someone had bought there own crutches with them, they were zebra print and then, underneath the armpits, she had tacked on some zebra fabric and a zebra head coming off the support. It was so cute, I wish I could have gotten away with something like that, but unfortunately, I don't think it would have flied at the hospitals I was interviewing at.

Make sure you keep up your therapy at home and your schoolwork. And mom, don't watch the therapy, it will just make you sick. When I first started rehab, I was non weight bearing and couldn't drive, so I was relying on Taxi Mom/Dad/boyfriend/grandpa/sister to get me to and from PT. One time, my dad came to get me a bit early, when I was still being stretched, and I only had about 60 degrees of flexion, if that. They told him he can come to the back to meet my therapist and wait for me. He came back, and became so nauseous, almost passed out from watching my PT try to force my knee to bend more. After that, if my dad ever came early again, he would very happily wait in the car until I came out. Although, they do say that women are stronger than men, so maybe you can handle it better than my dad  :P
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 21, 2011, 02:44:24 AM
Hey Rk4,
Are you gonna become a Contortionist or something dang its hard for me to bend past 10!!Lol! Im glad that you are doing well! Have you been doing your home pt ?! :D I have one night i had to do most of it my self because mom forgot  :P! I havent been having to take any pain meds in the last two days been doing pretty good. ;D But i think un a couple of weeks ima have to start again and ima need a stress reliever doll too!!lol.  ;) Moms back in school too ithink she already told you.. Im kind of happy but then kinda ehhh.. Cuz when moms in school shes stressed and with me having the surgery thats even more..sooo? well see how it goes!!!!!!!!!! :o

Hope your doing as good as i am mayb even better!! ;)
TAAAAAAAG!! :D
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 21, 2011, 02:48:27 AM
Hi soozles,
Whhhaaaattttssss uuupppp!! I have already tricked out my crutches.. ;D They are sooo awesome they are striped purple and green and have cool stickers all over them!! they look pretty neat. I hope yours do too.. when i was in the hospital i had to do physical therapy there until i left and i had to use their walker that was an ugly but brighttt orange!! iit was kinda cool thats where i got the idea from soo.... Post backk!!!! :)
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on February 21, 2011, 04:29:21 AM
Well my little partner in pain. :D  Glad to hear you are doing your PT, but don't forget the homework. :-\ You will keep trying and soon it will be 20
Soozles going to be a Peadiatric DR. 3 more months and we can call her DR Soozles, I call her Doc now though.  Try not to worry about your mom everything always comes out in the wash. ;D School for older people is harder, we have a harder time remembering stuff. I am playing hooky this term because I have the knee thing going on, but come September I will be back at University as well.  Well Miranda the bend is better but the pain not so much. :(
Well sweety, time for me to go to bed.  You have a good day tomorrow, do the homework and the pT and Ice after the pt. Remember it is ok if it hurts to bend just keep trying. I know you can do it. ;D
Till later and NA NA NA you are ITTTTT ;)
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: soozles on February 21, 2011, 01:40:09 PM
Hiya Little Dudette (that's you, Miranda, cause you're not going to be in pain much longer  8) ). Your crutches sound really cool, I would love to see a picture of them sometime (but not of you, you shouldn't be posting pics of yourself online). I wanted to make my crutches snazzy, but I was interviewing for some pretty big stuff when I was on crutches, being on crutches was enough of a conversation starter. But, I did have a red thing where the handle was to adjust the height of the handle, so I did try to match the red and silver of my crutches. But, I'm not using them anymore. When all my knee friends are finally off crutches, I think there should be a crutch burning party. Although, in the era of metal crutches, it'll be more of a crutch melting. I'm very proud of your mom for being back in school, but older people... they tend to forget things much easier, so you make sure you remind her to do her homework!

Anyhoo, I hope you have a good day and do everything you're supposed to. I'm going to try to go back to bed, because this is what I woke up today, and it just doesn't seem fair.
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Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 22, 2011, 03:04:32 PM
Hey Soozles,
You have been quit a fun post for my daughter, she says you sound as crazy and fun as she is. I think it is pretty amazing you finishing med school and going through your knee issues you are the kind of role model I love to have around my daughter. I want her to know that just cuz she has two bum knees she can still obtain her goals. She wants to play softball for ASU someday, this is why she is trying to get the knees in shape. Keeps her pushing on the PT! This fall she will start High School and hopes to make the softball team there the 1st year no probs. (I know she will!) THen when the season is over she will have the right knee surgery and be recovered by time sophomore tryouts happen! Yesterday was pretty tough, her knee isn't bothering her but she has pulled a muscle or something in her shoulder, her OS is sending her for an MRI, he's afraid her rotator cuff may be tearing. But we are praying it's just a pulled muscle or even sore muscle.
Well thanks for your upbeat posts and congrats on that MD degree, eventually that's where I would like to be. Been trying to decide if I want to go in the nursing program or med school. I love school so either way will be cool for me. We have lots of doctors in the family right now, my 15 year old is working on a scholarship to UCLA and would like to be a doctor when she is done growing up!
LOVE THE DOG!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 22, 2011, 03:50:20 PM
Hey Rk4,
It's mom, had few minutes before we leave for PT so I thought I'd write you a line. How's everything going? Sounds like your PT is coming along, how's the pain? Can you give me an estimate on how long people use these crutches after surgery. My husband is going to New Jersey for some schooling in April and would like each of the kids to fly out and spend a weekend with him but Miranda doesn't want to go if she is still going to have to mess with the crutches. Dad's not very good when his kids are sick or injured! :o Miranda's knee has been doing very well, she's staying up on her PT with/or without mom's help. But yesterday morning she woke up and couldn't move her arm by last night it was somewhat better, she still can't lift it up from the shoulder at all. I'm sure it's just from having to carry her weight around with her arms but none the less I am a MOOOOOM and she is going to see Dr today, he's afraid it could be her rotator cuff. So wish us luck.
Talk to you more later it's time to get on the road.
MOM
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: soozles on February 22, 2011, 07:27:34 PM
Purplechick, look up crutch palsy. The nerves that control your arm run in the armpit, and if the crutches are too high, it will compress those nerves causing problems with the muscles or feelings in the arms. I had alot of pain when using the crutches, a chiropractor put me back to normal. I doubt it's a rotator cuff bc usually with those,  you can raise your arms out to the side but you can't hold hem there, they just drop down. And usually you get the tear from a fall. Just my armchair diagnosis though, make sure she gets checked out. If it's crutch palsy, it should go away on it's own if you get the crutches adjusted properly, and maybe add some padding to the top of the crutch to give her a wider base to rest against the rib cage and her arms. I wanted to say something else but I'm on my phone so I'll be back later.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: soozles on February 22, 2011, 08:47:28 PM
Woops, I missed the part above where you said she felt like she pulled a muscle doing something. I think I caught something from the germy people in the emergency room that don't cover their mouths when they cough and sneeze all over you. So I apologize for being a little loopy right now.

I'm quite flattered that you would consider me a role model, but honestly, I don't think of myself that way. I just do what I have to do, and I do what's right for me. And as for the knee issues, the last year is probably hte best time to do it. The second half of your final year is known as the extended vacation, everyone is just biding their time until graduation. Everyone knows it too, the rotations are much easier, less stressful. Yea, interviewing with crutches was difficult because I was non weight bearing, but at least it was a good conversation starter. To be honest, I would consider someone such as yourself more as a role model, going back to school with kids is incredibly difficult. My mom did the same thing when I was younger, she went back for her masters degree, essentially as a single mom of 2 young kids. My dad left for work at 6 am, and would come back at around 8 or 9 pm. It took my mom a few years to get her degree because she was working during the day, and so could only take evening classes. She started taking classes when I was in kindergarten and my sister in 2nd grade, she used whatever pages were left in our old notebooks because there wasn't that much extra cash for her to buy new books, but she always made sure that my sister and I always had what we needed. What really amazes me is that even though my dad was working those crazy long hours, and my mom was working and at school at the same time, neither one of them ever missed any of our piano recitals or school plays. And I only realized how difficult what they did really was when I got older, I can't even imagine how somebody is able to go to school when they have kids at home to look after. So thank you, but I'm not the role model, people like you or my mom are the real role models. And Miranda too, for not letting her knee keep her back. I'm sure that she will be hitting home runs before long.

As for nursing vs. medicine, you have to do what you prefer, don't settle. If you really want to go to medical school, then do that because you will never be happy in nursing if you really wanted to be a doctor. And it's not that much more schooling, although if you count residency as part of your education, then I guess it's longer. Also, I am assuming you're in the US, so you can look into osteopathic medical schools. In the US, it's an equivalent degree to MD, you can apply for the same residency, have the same practice rights, etc. Traditionally, the MD schools are not so welcoming of the "non-traditional" student, but the osteopathic schools are more forgiving of former bad grades, more accepting of non traditional. The DO degree is actually the route I took, I'll admit that my first MCAT score was terrible, but the repeat was a pretty darn good score, but because of family issues, I needed to stay in the area. The MD schools in my area are all very competitive, and they couldn't overlook the first low MCAT score, so I am in the DO school in my area, and I am going to be starting residency at an excellent children's hospital, so I don't think it held me back at all. Sorry if this is incoherent, I'm under the influence of Sudafed right now.

Nursing is a great career too though, it just wasnt right for me. I like the mystery of seeing a patient and figuring out what's wrong with them, like getting to play detective. Nursing, you don't really get to do that, but they're still vital in healthcare. Sounds like you got some great kids. Although if the older one wants to be a doctor, get ready for lots of tears and to throw down lots of money. After one of my exams in undergrad, I was so convinced I failed, it to this day remains the most difficult exam of my life, and it was only 5 questions, so not much room for error. I called my mom in tears, and she actually drove an hour to my college to take me out for dinner. A week later, the final grades came out, and my mother was ready to smack me when I got an A-. The scary thing is a lot of my med school friends have similar stories, so get ready.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Runner1993 on February 23, 2011, 02:48:57 AM
Hey PurpleChick13. I just read yours and your mom's posts for the first time. I had almost the same exact surgery as you (TTT/MPFL reconstruction/Lateral Release) on January 14. I'm a 17 year old female and am a senior in high school. I have to congratulate you on your courage, strength, and perseverance. This is a tough surgery and the rehab takes a lot of dedication. You are very young to go through something like this, but I hope the support from the people on here and your devoted mom has been making things better! I hope to keep reading about your progress :)
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: MUMofpain on February 23, 2011, 09:35:26 AM
Hi pc13. Thanks for the note. Tried to reply but I think the message disappeared ??? so redoing it here.  Yes, all going ok, slow but steady at 6 weeks post op. Had a little mishap last week which put us back a bit  :). During the night he must have violently jerked in his sleep and was in agony that combined with the panic that he had damaged the hamstring graft made for quite a difficult week. Aparently it is not uncommon to do this as the nerves start coming back to life. So in the end I made a splint for him to wear at night (good job he has a crafty mum!) two pieces of balsa wood, a sock at each end to soften any sharp edges and elecric tape to wrap round and hold secure during the night (must take a photo for the scrapbook page :) :) :)).

I'm glad to say my hubbie has a weeks holiday so he is helping with the driving to pt and general 'nursing'. On a brighter note he has been given the green light to go back to the gym for some gentle upper body stuff - marvellous.

As school is on 1/2 term hols this week one of his teachers has come over and is doing 3 x 2 hr sessions of Physics lesson catch-ups which it great (not for him though ;D). Another boy in my son's class is joining him here each day as he has been ill and has missed loads of school also. Aiming to get him back to full-time study next week which I'm sure will be fine as most days he finishes around 1.40pm.

I am so pleased to see how well your daughter is doing and the support she is geting from all the others on here, invaluable isn't it? How are you coping, have you got any energy? I must admit the emotional and physical support has been exhausting but it is getting better day by day.. chat soon...

Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 23, 2011, 03:30:32 PM
Soozles,
You sure gave me a lot (more) to think about, thank you so much for all the insight. You may not think of yourself as a role model but just by sharing your insights and advice you are now MY role model also. So we looked up crutch palsy and I think you are right (your gona be a great doc). She has the crutches set very low so as not to use her armpits but her hands when she walks, however when her legs get tired while she's walking she tends to lean on the crutches to rest. We put a heating pad around it yesterday and gave her some motrin and it seemed to help. She was planning to go to school this morning but when she woke up she couldn't lift the arm again. Looks like more heat and motrin again today! PT went so wonderful yesterday too, she blew the PT away she bent her knee to 60 degrees, she even got the calf up off the bed with no assistance. She learnt to walk up and down the stairs. I was so proud! ;D ;D ;D
It was so good to hear your feeling towards your mom. You know when are kids are teenagers they don't tend to show that they know how important we think they are. I lead a life much like your mom. I have 3 active kids, my oldest is 15 and runs track and field and cross country for her high school, she also takes a hip hop class, 2 jazz classes, and is doing a duet class for her dance studio. Miranda who you know is 13 and actually damaged her knees playing soccer and now has been completely committed to softball and getting her knees back in shape. THis is the 2nd knee surgery she has gone through with one more pending. My son is 11 and plays seasonal sports. Right now we are in baseball season where I have been the team mom for 4 years in a row, he also plays basketball and football in which I am the team AD. I have had to only miss 1 baseball game because I was at a dance recital with  my oldest. My husband of 17 years has just changed his schedule from nights to days so that he can help a little. He travels 90 miles to work so he leaves the house at 4 am and doesn't get home until 5pm but he has picked up coaching football and baseball so at least it relives me from having to go to all the practices too.
How long since you had your surgery? I absolutely love this website, do we have to stop posting when she is all healed? Hehehehehehe The people on here have been so helpful and inspiring. I read posts for about a month before Miranda's surgery not until I had questions did I decide to become a member now I wonder what took me so long!
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 23, 2011, 04:02:44 PM
runner1993,
It was so nice to hear from someone more my daughter's age. How is your recovery going? Your not to far ahead of her either so you could be our guidelines if you don't mind. She went to PT yesterday and blew the PT away, she was able to bend her knee to 60 degrees, lifted her calf off the bed (1st time) on her own, climbed stairs. She was headed back to school this morn but when she woke up she couldn't lift her arm again. :-\ O-well she still has homework to catch up on anyhow. Are you still using crutches? She can't wait to get rid of the crutches, the brace however is like a security blanket, she had a harm time losing the brace last surgery to. So how did you hurt your knee, is it just one or both? Miranda had the left one done but still has to do the right knee next year. Her dad and I tried to convince the doc to do both knees at once but he refused now I'm glad he made us do 1 at a time. She wants to get back to playing softball so bad I thought getting both knees done at once would benefit her but we now have a new plan. She will be going to high school this fall and trying out for the freshmen team, once the season is over she'll get the right knee done so that she'll have 1 year to heal before her sophomore season starts!
I'm sure she'll be posting you as soon as she gets up, she tends to think she is the only teenager in the world who has had to have knee surgery (old people surgery) is what she calls it. Hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 23, 2011, 04:16:42 PM
MUMofpain,
I was so relieved to hear everything was going ok, just busy. I have been worried about you guys. I had never heard of these jerks before, is this what I have to look forward to? I'm glad to hear your husband has a had a chance to help out not only does that relieve some pressure from you but I'm sure creates a bonding time for father and son.
My daughter was going to return to school this morn but she has been having problems with her shoulder. One of our friends on this website said it's from leaning on the crutches. She put a heating pad and took motrin yesterday and it seemed to help yet this morn when she woke up again she couldn't lift the arm. So guess she'll be doing homework at the house again today. She is completely off the pain meds now just taking motrin for the inflammation. I am surprised and proud at how well she is doing.
My kids haven't even got to Physics in school yet, not an easy class to get caught up in. It's good you are able to get someone to come to the house and help out. Having a friend probably helps break up the monotony too.
I love this website I have received so much encouragement and advice, I wish I could stay in touch with the people we have met on here forever. I feel like I have received more through these people I have never met than I have from family and friends I have known for years.
If you don't mind me asking I would love to know where in Europe you guys are from? My daughter's life time dream is to visit Europe, she has actually been studying french for 3 years. Her and my husband were planning a trip there last year but with the surgery finances became quite tight. My sister-in-law's husband's family all came from Paris. In fact he has a sister who still lives there.
Well got to help Miranda get some breakfast. Good to hear from you. Good luck this week and try and get some rest while your husband is hope. Sending our prayers through our post!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Runner1993 on February 23, 2011, 05:06:24 PM
The board is great. If it wasn't for this, I wouldn't know anyone who had a surgery like mine (patella realignment). Everyone my age is ACL.

That's great progress. When was her surgery?

I am still using crutches. However, my surgeon had me WBAT from the start even encouraging me to put weight on it to promote bone healing. If I had school or was out in public, I would be using both crutches. I have winter break this week though so my pt told me to use one at home and stuff, but I wouldn't feel comfortable with one at school yet.

I initially dislocated my kneecap running down a hill in July of 2009. Then, I had repeated instability and no conservative treatment fixed it. I had my first surgery in December of 2009, but it didn't work. I have no instability in my right knee, however, it does hurt. It also will clunk until I crack it with pain when I use to ride the bike at pt (before my surgery). If you look at it, you can see the bad tracking, but no instability thank goodness. Surgeon told me I will probably end up having some of the same problems with that knee since my knees are built the same way. But my other knee is no wheres near bad enough shape to even consider surgical intervention.

Here is my post-op diary if you want to follow along.

http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/index.php?topic=54765.0



Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: soozles on February 23, 2011, 05:09:30 PM
Hey Miranda! It looks like we're both playing hooky today! I stayed home today because of a cold/flu/sinus infection yuckiness and was told not to bother sharing my germs with the people in the emergency department. I hope your mom is taking good care of you! Sounds like you're doing great in PT though, maybe tomorrow, we'll both go back to school. I'm sure you know by now not many people your age have such a big surgery, but that just makes you more special, think about all the stories you can share! (And Mom, close your eyes for this part), when you go back to school, you can play "damsel in distress" with the cutest guy in your class. I broke my arm when I was about your age, and the cutest guy in the class carried my books for me everyday, took notes for me, even tied my shoes for me. I still remember his name, Steven, and it made a rough time a little bit easier. He even doodled all over my cast. You know what might be fun when you go back to school? I'm assuming your brace is fabric outside like my contraption was (I called it my robo-brace). You can get some fabric pens and have your friends sign the brace for you. The best part of having a broken arm when I was 12 was having everyone sign it and leave little drawings all over the cast, so why not do the same iwth a brace? Regular black can be so boring sometimes. Last year, I broke one of the bones in my hand right before I went on a cruise, and my doc gave me a brace to wear instead of a cast, so in the evenings, I decorated the brace with silver fabric to give it a little sparkle and pizzazz.

Mom, I didn't realize just how much my parents did and how amazing it was an accomplishment until I started college and applied for financial aid. Thats when the whole thing about using the leftover pages in our old notebook came out, and I got a little insight into just how difficult it was. To answer your other questions, I had my surgery 13 weeks ago, I think. I was on crutches non weight bearing for 6 weeks, in the brace for 8 weeks. After that, my rehab moved very quickly. Which daughter wants to go to Paris? I studied abroad in Paris for 2 months during a summer session, best experience of my life. I started saving when I was 16 to go, my parents told me they had no objection to me going, they just couldn't afford to pay for it, so I started saving at 16, and I went wehn I was 19. Greatest experience of my life.
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Post by: Rknees4 on February 23, 2011, 10:40:22 PM
Hey my partner in pain and Mom,
So how did PT go yesterday?  I managed an amazing 134 degree bend. But paying today.  That will be about my limit so that is back and doing well, but could use a little less of the pain dept. Hope eveyone is doing their homework, and home PT with out too many problems.  Well have to go spend sometime with my girls.
Take Care Both of You.
Rk4
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Post by: purplechick13 on February 25, 2011, 07:09:52 PM
Hey guys,
Soozles help you are feeling better, it's the WEEKEND, can't be sick over the weekend.
Rk4 how is your recovery coming along, I see you are getting ROM back pretty well. Good for you.
Miranda's PT is coming along pretty well, they cut her back to once a week since our insurance only gives her 12 sessions and we still have long way to go. She is going back to school on Monday she is extremely excited. Except for the fact she is 2 weeks behind on homework. She spent all day yesterday catching up on the 1st wks math assignments. Her teacher's weren't very cooperative it took us a week to even get the 1st weeks worth and haven't heard from them again. But we are getting it figured out and I have just been asking around for what needs to be done. She is planning to have a couple girlfriends come over and watch movies tomorrow so that should brighten her spirits. She's been kind of down out lately...
Sorry I haven't been posting, I have been so busy with school, I'm taking an 8 week geography class and they try to cram so much into such a short class. I have 8 essay questions, a 10 page current event and a research paper on hurricanes all due in 1 week!!!  :-\ :-\ :-\
Well guys I haven't forgot about you I will post soon, hopefully with good news. By the way anyone know when she can ditch the brace to sleep?
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Post by: MUMofpain on February 25, 2011, 09:41:37 PM
Hi pc13.  We live west of London. I was born in Hyde Park corner (literally slap bang in the centre of London over looking Buckingham Palace :))The hospital I was born in is now a hotel :( I have always lived in London but my husband is from the Cotswolds which is a beautiful part of England.  Have you ever visited England?

My son suddenly developed an enormous swollen toe (don't laugh!!!) second one in from the big toe on the operated leg.  He woke up with it yesterday morning and I just couldn't figure out how he got it. He didn't stub it - he would have known about that, he didn't drop anything on it, nothing was constricting it.. very odd. Anyway, me being me I took him to the doctors.  Doctor was unsure but thinks it will just go on its own, its not gout or a dvt, weird...always something....maybe he has just outgrown his shoes, now wouldn't that be embarrassing.

I hope your daughter's friends cheer her up when they visit over the week-end.  My son is off to see a friend tomorrow. Only the second time out to a friends in 6 weeks. Thanks for all the prayers...they're working :) :) :)
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Post by: soozles on February 26, 2011, 02:20:26 PM
Hi Miranda and Mom  ;D

Can you imagine? A 13 year old getting excited to go back to school? Poor kid, she must really be miserable at home. I hope her friends cheer her up, I know at the beginning of my rehab, having my friends over was the only reason  I kept my sanity. Hopefully once she's back at school, she'll feel more human. I had 4 weeks at home after my surgery because I did it over my month long vacation, but it's tough staying at home, watching the world go on without you. On the plus side, I did beat Super Mario Bros on the Wii. I really feel bad for her, if you lived closer, I would send you a big bucket of gourmet popcorn in assorted flavors, and the "classic" movies, Breakfast Club, Breakfast at Tiffany's, Sixteen Candles, and of course, a comfy new pair of baggy pajama pants in a cute print. I would even let you borrow my dog for hours of entertainment as you watch her chase her own shadow around the living room and then find a random sock somewhere and decide she needs to protect it and won't let you come anywhere near it.

12 visits is really not a lot for PT, but the girls at my PT office were telling me that if it's needed to go over what the allowed number of visits  are, in my case it's 20 per year, then once I get close to that number of visits, they call the insurance company to get approval for more. She said generally if they have a doctor's perscription, especially if it's post surgical, they've never had a problem getting approval. But I better not hear she's slacking on her home PT even if she's not going to the PT more often, missy!

And the whole brace thing, I have no idea because I had a very different surgery. Do you have a copy of the rehab protocol? I know my protocol had it written down when I can shower and sleep without the brace.
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Post by: Rknees4 on February 26, 2011, 03:59:28 PM
Morning Miranda and Mom,
Hope everything is going well.  How's the PT hope the bend is getting better everyday. Miranda so happy you will be going back to school. When you get home be sure to put the leg up and ice as it will probably feel tired from being down more.
well need to go do something with my girls.  Take care both of you .
OH Miranda, you are IT ;D
Rk4 8)
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on February 28, 2011, 02:57:01 AM
Hey EVERYONE,

Mum, Thanks for sharing about Europe. We have never been to England but it is my 15 year olds life time dream. She is taking her 2nd year of French because she is determined she is going to tour Europe someday and wants to be ready. She is planning her sweet 16 bday party now and I told her about soozles saving since she was 16 and going at age 19 so she has vowed to save every penny of her bday money to put towards her (someday) vacation. That is so crazy about your son's toe...how is it doing now? Hope your son has as much fun with his friend as my daughter did, it really lifted her spirits. 8)

Soozles, Your posts are the best medicine for a depressed teenager and her mom. You keep us smiling every time we read your posts. You are so energetic and funny. Having her friends over was great medicine, she had such a good time. SHe is even more determined to go to school tomorrow and get on with life. We pretended today that we were eating your gourmet popcorn and watched "Dear John", and "Love potion #9" both were pretty good. I took Mir shopping before surgery and she got like 7 pairs of big baggy pj pants since that's only thing that seems to fit over the brace. She wants to wear her jeans tomorrow to school but has decided the pj pants will work. I think we are getting close to ditching the brace. She is recovering so much quicker than I expected. She just had her first bit of swelling on Fri but not much and went down with little ice. Not taking any pain meds at all now and doing everything for herself again, including getting in and out of the car.  ;D

Rk4,
I sure hope your recovery is going as well as you expected. Miranda is doing great, she is recovering so much quicker than I expected. She was up all weekend with her girlfriends and has had very little swelling. The only problem she has is her hands get sore from the crutches so my mom made some covers with memory foam on em, helped alot. I credit you and all the others who have been advising and supporting Miranda for her quick recovery. Thanks so much. She has been kinda depressed lately so hasn't wanted to post, gonna try and get on here tomorrow, when she sees everyones kind words it makes her feel better. THink she's being stubborn (teenager) and wants to feel sorry for herself so doesn't want to check her posts. No matter what you guys keep my spirits up. :)

Thanks everyone, talk to you soon!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Post by: smillie on February 28, 2011, 03:13:34 AM
OK, Miranda, you'd better get back on here reading and posting! From what your mom says, it sounds like you are making a great recovery. Way to go, girl! Getting more independent, taking care of the swelling, getting off the meds, working on that bend. Very nice! It sounds like you are really ready to tackle school again.  It's going to feel so good to do something "normal" again. You're going to be exhausted, but it will feel good. Just take your time, be safe, and enjoy yourself. :-)

We're all going to be on here tomorrow afternoon looking for a report. We want to hear all about it! The good, the bad, and the ugly. You know we'll understand!

Have fun! I think it's awesome you can go to school in pj pants. So much better than the skirts we had to wear. ;-)
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Post by: Rknees4 on February 28, 2011, 03:18:22 AM
Hey Mom,
That me thing is true blue teenager, Try not to worry.  She just needs a few days to herself.  My girls have all been like that sometimes.
she is probably just worried about being like everyone else at school. That peer stuff is really hard on all kids. Once she is at school having some fun with friends she will perk up again.

Hey Miranda everything will be great.  ;D You will see. ::) Hang tough little partner in pain. :o  We will both get through this knee stuff. ;D I am with Smillie> I need a little cheering up buddy, I am getting board only I don't get to back to school and hang with friends. :( I just have my Knee Geek buddies.
Take Care both of you. ;)
Prayers coming that way. 8)
Rk4
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Post by: soozles on February 28, 2011, 03:38:35 AM
Mom, just don't hold it over your daughter's head if she wants to spend some of that birthday money on a new purse instead of saving every penny for a Europe trip. I can just see it now. "Mom, I'm going to buy myself a new bag!" "Well, Soozles saved all her money and she went to Paris at 19! Do you want to be like soozles and go at 19 or are you going to wait until you're 25?" I don't want some teen I never met being mad at me! But it really is an awesome experience, I did both the touring around Europe, and study abroad, I studied abroad first. Studying abroad is great because you're in one place for a long time, you really get a feel for the place, it's not rushed, and you get to be immersed in another culture. When you're just passing through, you're just that, passing through. It's like a whirlwind. Both are great though. And if you're Jewish, look into the Birthright trips, it lets any Jewish person between ages 18-26 go on a free 10 day trip to Israel. I did that when I was 20  :)

I don't recommend wearing the brace over jeans, I did it a few times when I went out, but it's just not that comfortable. It was marginally comfortable with skinny jeans, but anything with a flare, forget it. But that aside, the brace kept slipping on me when I wore it over pants. As a result, I pretty much just lived in sweatpants, except when I went back to the hospital, and I had to wear nice clothes. Then, I had 3 pairs of wide legged pants that I could wear. But I wasn't in high school that long ago, and it wasn't as fancy as needing to wear wide legged pants. Are any of the older kids a lot bigger than she is? Or maybe you can pick up a pair of jeans in a few sizes bigger than her normal size? And a really cool funky belt to keep them up. Nothing like crutching down the hallway and then your pants fall down. Although if you're going to wear baggy jeans and insist on not wearing a belt, at least make sure it's the day you wear clean undies  :P

Hey Miranda, don't get better too quickly! Before you know it, your mom will be nagging you to clean up your room, take out the trash, do the dishes, cook dinner, vacuum the living room, and all sorts of other boring chores. When you're laid up with crutches and a brace, at least you get the sympathy vote, and you get to skip out on all that boring stuff. First, it's getting out of the car by yourself. Next thing you know, you're cleaning your room and doing laundry. I dunno, there are some advantages to those things. Heck, my mom asked me to walk the dog the other day. And of course, being rainy and cold out, I wasn't too keen on going. So I tried the knee excuse, the problem is, she doesn't buy it anymore. You just wait missy, one day in the not so far future you're going to be a hundred times better than you are now, and your mom will ask you to do some chore. You are not going to want to do it. You may be saying now that you would love to do some chores cause you're so bored, but very soon my friend, you will be much better than you are now and chores won't seem like that much fun anymore. And you will try to invoke your mom's sympathy in getting out of said chore. ANd she won't buy it. And then you will miss these days when everything gets brought to you and you have someone else cleaning your room and friends coming over and people buying you goodies like virtual gourmet popcorn and new PJ pants. You'll see that I'm right, just wait  ;D
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Post by: jenkrem on February 28, 2011, 10:25:17 AM
my daughter at the age of 4 had two bilateral femeral osteotomies, then two years later two patella stabalisation surgeries... Massive sugeries.... the beauty of kids is that they are just amazing...!!!! so brave so strong... my daughter is now out of her wheelchair and walks..... so the results are amazing... hang in there...
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Post by: MUMofpain on March 01, 2011, 08:40:09 PM
Hi pc13.  Had a few moments so thought I'd get a quick post in.  Hope all is going ok with you and yours. Things are progressing here.

The big swollen toe is back to it's normal size :). We think because he was walking differently, he was putting alot of pressure on it and it 'rebelled'.

 He had a bit of string coming out of the largest wound this evening -yeek!  I told him to leave it alone and not to pull it, didn't want his leg unravelling... Cleaned it and put a plaster over it to stop fiddling fingers but he has just taken the plaster off and this tiny 3mm of string was attached to it. Did a quick search on here and it seems that sometimes an internal stitch can work it's way out. Should be ok. ALWAYS something...

I hope your daughter is not feeling too low. It is hard on a teenager having to cope with getting over an operation and all that goes with it like the physio, and not joining in with all the sociable things their peers are enjoying, or think they are enjoying when really they are not doing much either. I suppose we just have to keep cheering them up and keeping positive (exhausting I know bearing the brunt of the dips) and telling them that it will all be alright in the end.

 Hoping you have a good and not too demanding week. :) :) :)
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Post by: purplechick13 on March 01, 2011, 09:59:19 PM
Hiya everybody!!
Rk4, i have been doing alot better in pt bent my knee now 56 degrees pretty pretty good!! And i walked with out crutches yesterday and it was pretty easy just a few steps not very far but stiill did it!!:] But then i went to pt today and she said its great i can do it but im not allowed :[ she said noooot yet!! Made me mad lol..
Hope your pt and stuff goin wel!!!

Mumofpain,
Hi I hope your sons toe swelling went down. Mine haasnt swelled up?Well yet?? :o I went back and read all of the posts i missed and no i have never been to london but i want to visit there some day!I have been savin up money to travel around the world and build my own restaurants ! I have loots saved up  :)! But i was born in hawii on a marine base some where i have always wanted to visit there my dad is gunna take me some day but just hasnt happend yet guess gotta give it time!! ;D Well i hope to hear your son come on hear sometime!Tell him get well soon too!1 :)

Soozles,
Hey soozles hahaha i want ur dog he sounds sooo adorable. i have a cat that hates his tail. Hell just be sitting on the couch and all of a sudden hel turn around and start biting his own tail its pretty hilarious!! :) Ive been doing my pt at home too.. still hurts a little buut got to work through it! :) My freinds coming over was pretty fun itts just that being home all by my self for 3 weeks is boooring my family would leave me alot too like during the weekends well not my mpom she would stay home with me but my sis would go with her freinds and dad bro and bros freind would go do all this fun stuff with out me kept gettng boringer and boringer!1 :(
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Post by: purplechick13 on March 01, 2011, 10:15:06 PM
hey my mom said that there was a girl the age of 14 on here and i cant find the post soo um i dont know ur name but hiya,
I am only thirteen and my knees are hooorible they only ruined a partial part of my life but never look at the down side always look at the positives.. Just think after the surgery or surgeries ull be better and hopefully wont have to do another one. But i am in 8th grade too and i think i get to walk without my brace befor my eighth grade dance but im still going with or without the brace.. Plus all of the people or freinds that u never talk to anymore all of a sudden want to talk to you again.. When you go back to school. But i no ur going to be just as good as i am if better cuz i had more done on my knee! ;DBut just keep looking at the bright side.. !! :) Yooull push through!!!


O if you guys wanted to know about my first day back to school it was semi-HOORIBLE!!!! My teachers were being dummies and didnt send me any work except for one week so im like soooo behind went back and had no idea what the heck to do! in math i had to take three quizes first day i went back i think i failed all of them had noo idea what any of the problems were!!Then i also mised the lesson for that day in math too cuz he made me take the quizes!! then in launguage arts we had to do this project for poetry and i didnt get any explanation for it and its bout half my grade so now i got to figure out what to do with that sooo????????? Bad day wen from bad to worse when i cam home cuz i missed the lesson in math so got stressed over math hw had to have sis help with most of it!! And my dad got mad at all of my teachers for what they did so was mad the rest of the night!!!!Soo i hope tomorrow at skool goes better.. But I think my math teacher is gonna give me another test?? ;D :'( :( >:(
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Post by: Rknees4 on March 01, 2011, 10:30:44 PM
Sorry the teacher were bone heads Miranda, by the time you get to the end of the week you will just about get caught up.  Your parents know it isn't your fault if you don't do quite so well.  They know it is because of the teachers and the leg.Hang in there it will get better.

Way to go on the bend Buddy getting closer to 90 degrees all the time. Listen to PT sweety you will be without those crutches soon enough.  You need them yet to protect the surgery so it doesn't get messsed up and need to have that knee fixed again. Use them OK for ME :D PT will tell you when you can toss them in the corner. ;)

Hang in there OK Miranda. ;D
Love
Rk4 ox
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Post by: Rknees4 on March 08, 2011, 04:11:01 AM
Hi Miranda  ;D
I thought I would check in on you and see how school and PT are going. :o  Hope you have been able to catch up and are having a good time hanging with friends again. :)
How is that bend coming I managed a 143 degrees today, just about busted my knee open doing it though. :o
Well got to go.
Take care my little partner in pain. ;)
How are things going mom?
Rk4 8) with the ice on my knee.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on March 10, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
Hi guys,

Things have not been going so well, sent Miranda back to school and it was terrible. She feels like she'll never catch up even though we are working out schedules with the teachers. Staying a whole day at school is still a little much so I was sending her every other day the only problem with that is that she has classes that are every other day so on her off days she is missing her science and social studies class. Then things got worse, she has been having a really bad stabbing pain on the side of her thigh and when the PT took the brace off she was concerned because the leg looks extremely crooked so she is afraid a screw has come loose. Doctor took her down to just one class a day (Math) until we get the xray results back. I don't know if it's the occasional percocet she takes after school or just her being a teen ager but she is MOOOOODY! She seems to always be in a cranky state. She is normally a very fun, loving, and outgoing girl and now she mopes and is depressed all the time. She has doctor appointment this morn and she's not talking to me because I am still making her go to her one class before the doctors. She won't tell me if she's in pain, she's a tuff cookie, people call her a tonka truck.
HEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!
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Post by: Rknees4 on March 10, 2011, 05:05:26 PM
Hey Mom,
This is all so difficult for adults imagine how hard it is for such and intelligent child. Some of her moddiness is anger from the knee mess and the rest is from her just being 13 and being high spirited makes it worse as for the pain.  Give her some plain tylenol before she goes to school some again in 6 hours and some again before bed.  Remember you are the adult. Just keep her medicated for the next couple weeks and see if that helps.  When kids are in pain they can get pretty cranky.
This is an emotional roller coaster for adults so you really can't expect it to be any better for kids.  Just remind her that you are the adult and even is she is unhappy you love her but she does have to tow the line on manners and behaviour and what wasn't acceptable before surgery still isn't acceptable after.  We tend to try and cut them some slack but not always a good idea.. Tell her you are sorry she has to go through this S**t but it will come to an end and you will be with her till the end..
Hang in there mom this is a marathon not a sprint.
Let me know how the xrays turn out hopefully it hasn't shifted.
Take Care, Big hug and prayers for a big dose of mother strength on the way.
Rk4
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Post by: MUMofpain on March 10, 2011, 05:12:13 PM
Hi pc13. Sorry things are not going so well at the moment. As teenagers brains rewire it is best to go and hibernate for a few years and come back when they are human again!  >:((Do you have older children, I mean have you been through 'it' before or is Miranda your oldest?).  I must have a title in the Guiness book of Records for saying 'this is not acceptable behaviour'...

I hope all is ok with her knee, going to the doctors will bring piece of mind either way. Will check in to catch up on news post docs. Meanwhile, you are in my thoughts and prayers. :) :) :) :) :)


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Post by: *Tiffany on March 10, 2011, 05:12:46 PM
Hi all,
Just reading through this thread, brings back lots of memories.  
I was the "young girl" having lots of big surgeries at one time.  By the time I was 14 I had had 5 knee surgeries and had TTT done.  It was hard, and most all of frustrating.  I am quite sure I was moody.  
20 years later I was the Mom.  My son has had 5 knee surgeries and it was very very difficult to go through it all over again, as the Mom this time.  He did both knees at once to expediate the rehab process.  He has done very well.

The ups and downs of surgery I found difficult as a girl.  The "excitement " of surgery ( stress ), the attention of rehab...and then not being quite right and getting left behind on lots of things.  

17 surgeries later...I still deal with the ups and downs, but hopefully without the moodiness.  

One day at a time...

Tiffany
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Post by: purplechick13 on March 10, 2011, 09:52:53 PM
Hey everyone iim gunna come back and post moe often sooner or later!!Just have sooooooo much on my mind soooooo stressfull EVERYTHING!!Skool is going a little better still making up tooons of work!! Progress reports come out next week no way i gunna be able to bring any of them up though mayb science and social studies cuz tht has been all ive been able to get done lately... :-\ Been trying to get all stress off during the weekends but then my teacher told me to do my missing assignments ovr the weekend!!NO TIME FOR REST.. :-\buuut i no its mostly the teachers fault cuz they were being dum and didnt send me my work even though i told them like a month bfor i left !!! o welll!!! gotta keep pushin i get them up sooner or lata!! ;D

My pt is going sooo well.. today i went to the doctor just for my 4 week check up and said the pain in my leg is probaly just a spazam not a screw. and my bend is up to 80 now 10 more degrees till 90!!! :D Soo excited i am recovering soo fast!!But i have muscle in my quad so as soon as i sit down i cant lift my leg at all ?? :o but i have been sleeping without my brace it feels sooooo good to sleep finally. I still wake up to like flip over and stuff but i get soo much better sleep... I hope everything is going GREAT for everyone!!! TTYL ;D
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Post by: Rknees4 on March 11, 2011, 12:23:45 AM
Hey Miranda,
So glad you checked in. ;D  Yeah the techers can be a drag, especially if you warned them you were going to be away.  Try no to worry about this report as your parents realize that it really isn't your fault. They will cut you some slack I am sure.
Hey when you get so stressed just come on here and tell us you will feel better after. Also tell your Mom so she doesn't worry about you.

Way to go on the 90 degrees that is most excellent Dudette. You are getting there. Glad you are sleeping better that is always good.  Remember if you are in pain to tell your mom it is ok to take stuff you don't have to tough it out you know.
Hang in there my little partner. You will get better, it just takes a little longer than you would like.
TTYL
Rk4 ox
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on March 11, 2011, 09:53:25 PM
Thanks rk4,
Im gettin through u no it wudnt be so bad if they didnt expect me to use my whole weekend like mayb just doing som on sunday since u cant do that much that day cuz u gotta go to bed early??  ??? But owell sooo how has ur physical therapy been going ?? yah i come on here every time i get to stressed with my hw.....yah well my knee pain is only the worst like when i go to bed it hurts like really bad and i dont fall asleep until like 12 . so i always just watch a movie while i go to bed. And then the other moring my whole leg just felt like it got shot or like hit with a knife it hurt realllllly bad.. ::)
but ttyl!!!! ;D ;D
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Post by: smillie on March 11, 2011, 10:12:33 PM
Miranda, I have trouble falling asleep at night too. It's just so hard to get comfortable and forget about the pain so I can go to sleep. I end up watching TV too. It makes the next morning a little rough. Hang in there! We know how you feel.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on March 11, 2011, 11:46:22 PM
Hey Miranda, Lots of us have trouble falling asleep because it is hard to get comfortable. ::)  Have you tried putting a thin long pillow between your knees it cushons them and makes for less pain.  Also ask your Mom for something for the pain before you go to bed.  Then you won't have to fight the pain as well as being uncomfortable.  She would rather you sleep good than be in pain Sweetie.  I give my daughter stuff before bed when her knees hurt.  Unfortunately she has similar probs as I do.  We are just waiting until she is finished growing before we decide what to do.

As for the school stuff just keep working on it you WILL catch up. When I was your age I got hit by a big dump truck and missed from the first week in may until the lsecond last week of school. Busted up my arm and scrambled my brain a bit. But it can be done. You just hang in there.  We are all here to listen if you are having a tough time.  We do care how things are going. ;D
As for the pain in your whole leg, that happens as the muscles get weak from not using it like before surgery.  Ask your mom to get some A535  or ice hot like the Shak uses to rub it.  That helps with alot of the muscle pain.(just don't put it on the scar) If you have a warm bath before bed it also helps relax everything so you are more comfortable to sleep.
I have found with this knee stuff you have to be inventive sometimes.  But please do tell your mom it hurts she really will want to know. We moms don't like to see our kids hurt. ;) You hang in there little buddy.
MY PTis coming a long fine can now bend to 143 but that will be the max.  But you are at 90 that just blows my mind girl you are doing so well.  Remember you had more work done on your knee than I did. :o

Well have to go make supper with my daughter.  Take Care keep us posted on that bend of your. :o Catch up to you later.
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: soozles on March 12, 2011, 02:58:39 PM
Hey Miranda! Teachers can be a drag sometimes, can't they? Just don't tell my mom I said that, she's a teacher! She'll probably yell at me if I said that. Yep, even when you're grown, your mom will still yell at you if she doesn't like what you're saying. And don't worry, you'll catch up. You're a smart one, so you'll get there. Do you think one of your friends can help you? And then after your study sessions, you can reward yourselves with ice cream sundaes and a movie. And it's normal for your knee to hurt more during the night. You know why? Because during the day, you're busy with your schoolwork, and your PT, and reading posts on here. By the time you get to the night, not only have you been out and about all day, you also have nothing else to think about. You lay there in bed, and you have nothing else to distract you from your body and everything that hurts. So you combine those 2 things together, and you're normal, just like everyone else. It's ok to take something for pain before bed if you need it. But isn't sleeping without the brace great? I used to wake up with bruises on my other leg from the stupid brace.

Anyhoo, I need to go and wake up my dog... she's snoring like a truck driver... and I have to take her for her walk. Somehow, I have a feeling she isn't going to want to walk, she's sleeping too comfortably.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on March 15, 2011, 08:55:53 PM
Hiya everybody!!  8)
Been doing little betters. Skool going better. Ive just been going to my first and second period then coming home and catching up on all of my work!  ;D I have almost finished to day i have completely finished my social studies and science.and on sunday i did 8 HOURS or hw. Wasnt so bad finished 8pages of math 9 pages of launguage and like 6 pages of social studies. soo Getting there.

My sleeping is getting a little better. ive been really trying to work on my quad strength because wen i got o sleep i wake up like every hour to like pick up my leg and roll over then lay on my bell and yahh haard work just for bed lol feels just like im duing pe but at home while sleepiing :D :D!!
But yah ill try the long pillow thing sounds better than one leg on top of my bad one that pushes on it and stuff!! :-X

I still get those really sharp pains in my knee though! my doc said its probaly just a spazam but idk it feels like somthing is trying to pop through my skin or sumtin. buuut hopefully it goes away! :) But i actually get to do sumthing this weekend for the first time in 6 weeks sooooooo excited!!! i get to go to my cuzins baby shwr !!! ;D soo happy..... going to pt in bout an hour soo wish me lots o luck can bend my knee now bout 90 i think i bent it more than tht last night while i was sleeping pretty funny woke up and my knee was just like the non surgical one its was pretty pretty cool!!!


Sooo hope all of u are doing GREAt too !!!
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on March 15, 2011, 09:04:38 PM
srry ran out of room on the other post wudnt let me write no mores! :P
But yah its greeeeeeaaaaaat sleeping without the brace, i had never woken up with bruises but lots of scratches from the velcrow and stuff!:/ but u no.. And ill ask my mom for that icy hot stuff i think we used to use it cuz my whole family is soooooo active hiking, football, softball, baseball, dance ect.. so are muscles always used to get tight and stuff so we used to use i but yah my pt used these tingly thing felt soooo weird last week and put sooooo much cold ice pack its stung.. ;D  felt funny!! :D
so now really this time post back soon ppl!!!!!  ;D hope yall duin great too!!!! :D
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on March 15, 2011, 10:28:26 PM
Hey Miranda,
So glad to hear that you are almost caught up in school.  That weird feeling is the nerves in your leg waking up. The pillow thing works really well for many kneegeeks it just is a pain sleeping with so many pillows. You go girl on that bend. It is getting there.
Well got to go Take care my little partner in pain. ;D
Rk4 8)
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on March 16, 2011, 07:25:50 PM
Thanks rk4 for the pillow tip, i got soooo much more sleep duing that felt so much better too! ;D
Pt was hoooorrrible yesterday! it hurt soo bad, i had too ride the bike cudnt go all the way round though and i had to bend it up while laying on my stomach hurt pretty bad... my knee got really swollen too like almost the size of a basketball. :D FINALLY lol....

Have a good night rk4!!!!! talk to yah soon!!!! :D ;D
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on March 17, 2011, 12:39:56 AM
Hey Miranda,
So glad the pillow tip helped,  Sorry about the pain in PT it does hurt my partner in pain but you have to push through it a little and make it work for you by making you mad and doing better.. A basketball that is big. :o remember to ice and put it up that will help alot with the extra pain and swelling.  Be tough girl you CAN do it.. Remember if you need to take something for the pain it is ok just tell your MOM.
Went to see my OS today my TTT site is healing good just some added inflamation I am having to deal with. :'( But getting there.
Take care Buddy, Keep working hard. ;)
Rk4 ;D
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on March 29, 2011, 06:09:23 PM
Hi my partner in pain. ;)
How are you making out these days?
Been thinking about you and hope you are finally at school all day with your friends. How is mom making out?
How is the basketball knee doing.. Hope the bend is coming along well.
Take Care and TAG you are IT ;D ;D
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on April 07, 2011, 08:58:21 PM
Heya Guys!!! ;D doin sooooooooo good... ive caught up on all my hw got all my grades back up!! got rid of the brace! and on monday my physical therapist said the doctor might let me get rid of my crutches!! soo excited... But the only part is im about 9 weeks now and last tuesday was the first day i was able to lift my leg but now i can do it no prob.! 8) soo post me tell me how u guys r duin!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on April 07, 2011, 10:08:02 PM
Hey Girly that is great news, ;D.  I told you you could catch up! :D That first leg lift is always great, you will really improve now Miranda. I am so proud of you. ;)
I am about the same not much to report. I am just waiting on time now to do the final stag of heal, the getting stronger.  Please be careful when you loose the crutches because your quad is still weak and your leg might do the Wet Spagetti where you go to take a step and it buckles OK, Just take it easy until you can trust it.  Won't be long now and you will be running again. ;DTake care my partner in Pain.
Rk4 ooooo
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on April 12, 2011, 11:28:16 PM
Hey rk4,
Just finished another long day! went to physical therapy then went to get my hair cut.. next tuesday i will find out if i can get completely rid of my crutches or not but my physical therapist said for a start to learn is to just walk round da house no crutches no brace and im duin really well with tht!! 8) Soo ready to get the next one done though to get all of these surgeries dun with!!! :o
  Talk to yah soon!!!!
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on April 12, 2011, 11:35:49 PM
Way to go Miranda.  Almost finsished with this one.. How is the bend coming? That's how you do it around the house then out side around the house then everywhere.
Take care,
Talk Soon. ;D
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on April 28, 2011, 09:12:24 PM
Hey guys,
Long time no post! Been so busy, kids finishing up school year, my son in baseball, my oldest daughter has tons of dance competitions this time of year and of course Miranda's PT. She saw the dr. yesterday and he has cleared her to do anything that she feels comfortable with except for full on running. She has been crutch and brace free for a couple of weeks now. Still no pain, PT has her riding the bike, treadmill, and last session added the elliptical. She has 120 degree bend and can do squats with both legs hasn't progressed to just 1 yet. She has brought all her grades back up to at least B's. I am so proud of her, she has come so far. Not even needing to take Motrin. Back to school full time except for PT time. We still have to do that in the morning because it's to hard in the afternoon when all the other kids need to be picked up and ran around.
Soooo how's everyone else doing. I miss talking to you guys. Hope all is well!!!!!!!!!!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on April 28, 2011, 09:27:28 PM
Hey Mom,
Be aware she still may need a little motrin or tylenol on her over do days. You will know as she will be grumpy, so if she is grumpy in the evening and you can't seem to figure out why that is probably the problem.  So glad she is doing so well. ;D Let us know when round 2 starts so we will be here for you both.

Me went slopping down the stairs almost 2 weeks ago now and mess up my MCL's a little, but slowly getting better.
Take care,
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: MUMofpain on April 28, 2011, 10:48:56 PM
Hi.  Glad to hear all is going so well. :) Time flies by with the exhaustion and worry fading which is wonderful.

(My son managed a jog on the treadmill today at physio, first time he has gone faster than a walk for 7 months, quite a turning point)

Hoping and praying all continues to go well for Miranda in her recovery to full health.   :) :) :)
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: soozles on April 29, 2011, 07:54:18 PM
Hi purplechick Mom! Glad to hear things are going well. Yay for no crutch and no braces! And you make sure she keeps those grades up.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on April 30, 2011, 12:15:56 AM
It was so good to hear from all of you!!!!

RK4,
Are you OK? I am so glad we no longer have stairs to deal with. We were in a two story home during Miranda's first surgery, ARGH what a pain. We even had a large step going off the front porch and mom being a dummy (even after working in In home health and caring for a polio patient) decided to take Miranda down the step in her wheelchair feet first. Dumped her out about 1.5 weeks post op. She was scared to death to even get in the wheelchair again. A neighbor actually made a ramp for us but she still refused to get in the wheelchair. You need to take it easy, get that daughter of yours to help you out. :)

Mumofpain,
I am so glad to hear your son is progressing. It feels so good to see our children returning to normal, doesn't it? How are those twitches going?

Snoozles,
How are you doing? School is almost done for this year, thank goodness. The stress of getting homework assignments and grades dropping have caused Miranda to think twice about having the other knee done. I know after the summer is done and a new year starts I'm sure she'll remember why it's important to do what the doctor says is good for her. She is planning to start conditioning for softball in October and the season will end in May so surgery won't be until the very end of the year or even next summer. That might give her more incentive to keep going also. How is your residency going, got any good prospective jobs yet? I am still chugging away at getting my schooling done. I feel like the turtle in the Tortise and the Hare, but slow and steady will win the race! ;D

Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: soozles on April 30, 2011, 05:20:35 AM
I plan to hear all about Miranda's excellence in the softball field soon! It'll be tough to get the second knee done, but I bet now that she's getting back into the swing of things, all the time on crutches and braces seems to fade into the background, while you're going through it, it seems like it drags on and will last forever, adn then boom, you're without crutches and without brace.

I can relate to the second floor thing, I live on the second floor of a 2 family house, there are about 5 steps leading to the front door, and then a flight of stairs to get up to get ot the apartment. After the surgery, I didn't really go anywhere just because going up and down those stairs was a lot of work. I used to have to take a break on the middle of the stairs when I would go up. On the plus side, my arms got really toned.

I start residency in July, right now I have 1 week left as a med student, then I celebrate in Aruba with my boyfriend, and hten I come back and go to my graduation :) Really excited. Right now, I'm just kind of enjoying my free time because I know I won't have much more of it.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on May 10, 2011, 03:14:42 AM
Hey Miranda,
So how is the knee doing? I bet you are glad to be all better.
Mom, just tore my MCL a little.  Nothing serious. :o
Take Care,
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on May 13, 2011, 09:21:38 PM
 ;D sooo glad to see everyone still posting i havent been on here for sooo long!! got my 8th grade dance tonight my birthday tomorrow and ima go bowling then next friday goin to six flags for graduation soo happy!!But i really have to wear a dress to the dance poop!! :P  im doin sooooo much better the pain is gone i have been bending my leg about 130 degrees...... I cant yet walk faster than 3.5 on the treadmile but thts still pretty fast.... when i have to go to physical therapy in the mornings i see alot of old people goin in there it makes me feel soo accomplished!!ahahaha... hope to hear from everyone again.... and rk4 geessh gots to be careful!! :P i dont think anything has gone rong with my surgery yet...... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: DeBora4BobbyL on May 14, 2011, 12:00:51 AM
Puurplechick, I am so sorry about your daughter. It sounds like you are an intuitive mother. Go with your instincts. Take your daughter in if you feel something more is going on or cannot wait. She seems like a brake young lady. I just broke my patella so I know how much pain she must be in. I cannot imagine how she handled the double surgery. I am glad you are spreading the word about the double surgeries so others won't make the same mistake.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on May 14, 2011, 04:27:56 AM
Hey Miranda,
I hear you on the dress not my thing either. :P  Wow!!!! 3.5 that is faster than I can go. :o I am so glad it doesn't hurt anymore. :)  Grade 8 dance you are getting old , young lady. ;)  You have a great time at all your activities Miranda, i am just so proud of how well you are doing. ;D  You take care and enjoy the warm weather and fun, but remember to be just a little careful for another few months.
Take care,
Rk4 ;)
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: schinz on May 14, 2011, 05:01:17 PM
Hi Miranda,
     It is fantastic to see you doing so well.  Your Mother seems very special and you are certainly a brave young girl.  My daughter is just turning 13 and if she has to have her surgery, I will be showing her your posts as an inspiration as to what can be accomplished when you are determined.  She also plays softball, which I found ironic.  Keep up the good work!!!

Does anyone know how a proximal femoral osteotomy with no soft tissue work recovery compares to what Miranda is recovering from now?  Is the recovery sequence similar?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on May 23, 2011, 01:32:28 AM
Thanks for all the encouragement through the ups and downs. If it wasn't for the wonderful people on this website I don't know how either one of us would have survived. Miranda has only 3 more pt sessions left and she will be released. She has not been cleared to run yet however she almost is back to a normal gait, has no problem with her exercises and has no complaints of pain at all. She loves to go to PT, I think that is one positive that will encourage her to have surgery on the right knee next year. She went to her 8th grade graduation dance and looked beautiful even though she did have to wear a dress. She even let mom do her hair and make up. The next day she went bowling with friends for her 14th bday, only group of kids I've ever seen who could bowl gutter balls with bumpers up!!!! :D :D :D She walked Magic Mountain all day with no crutches, or wheel chair and had no need for even motrin. Her biggest distraction was mom texting her every hour to make sure she was alright. But that's what mom's are for right? This is the last week of school and she was able to get all her grades up to A's except for language is a b+ and Math is  a C so she has decided to take Math in summer school to catch up! I am so proud of her, this was a tough year but she made it through and is ready to move on........until next year! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
RK4,
When are you gonna give your knees a break? JUST tore my MCL is that all? You need to take it easy. I can tell you a little spit fire yourself. Taking care of everyone but yourself. You have been so good to us, I sure appreciate everything you have done for us. We will be keeping in touch just been busy so it's not as often.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on May 23, 2011, 02:22:18 AM
Hey Mom and Miranda.
When you go for round 2 Mom try and make it in the summer so she doesn't miss school it is just to hard to catch up.
So glad Miranda has bounced back so well. :D
Let us know when she goes for round 2 so we can be here for you both.  It is bad enough to have to do it once but twice is hard.  Only warning i have is that no 2 surgeries are the same. So this next one could be similar, worse or better. It is just unknown. :-\
Take Care hope you both enjoy your summer with the family. 
Rk4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: purplechick13 on June 25, 2011, 05:59:17 PM
Hey All,

Were back.... everything has been going so well, Mir's pt actually got cleared to train her for 6 more weeks to get her ready for pt. The pt is only seeing her once a week now since she is doing so well. She runs on treadmill for 5-6 minutes straight does the elliptical, jumps, lunges, it's amazing. The Pt thought it would be a good idea for her to start going to the gym and using a little bit of weights. So on Monday we started, she did really well until she realized she had left her water on the treadmill on the way out. She grabbed the water and when she stepped off the right knee (NON surgical leg) popped out. She got it back in place went home, showered and then iced the knee, took some motrin and started to feel better. So she decided to go swimming with her sis and bro and again it popped out, this time the whole leg twisted and it took about 30 minutes to get it back in. She's still hobbling around. Saw ortho on Wed he's ordered another MRI to make sure no bone or cartridge broke off in there and yet another brace has been ordered but he can't do surgery on the right leg until the left leg is healed enough to hold all of her weight and how can we completely strengthen the left leg if the right leg is gonna pop out every-time she works out. ARGH! Softball training is right around the corner too. It starts in October, she wants to get 1 year of softball under her belt before the next surgery. This is her freshmen year and she's afraid if she doesn't make the team this year it will be hard to make it next year.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: schinz on July 01, 2011, 07:42:14 PM
Hey All,

Were back.... everything has been going so well, Mir's pt actually got cleared to train her for 6 more weeks to get her ready for pt. The pt is only seeing her once a week now since she is doing so well. She runs on treadmill for 5-6 minutes straight does the elliptical, jumps, lunges, it's amazing. The Pt thought it would be a good idea for her to start going to the gym and using a little bit of weights. So on Monday we started, she did really well until she realized she had left her water on the treadmill on the way out. She grabbed the water and when she stepped off the right knee (NON surgical leg) popped out. She got it back in place went home, showered and then iced the knee, took some motrin and started to feel better. So she decided to go swimming with her sis and bro and again it popped out, this time the whole leg twisted and it took about 30 minutes to get it back in. She's still hobbling around. Saw ortho on Wed he's ordered another MRI to make sure no bone or cartridge broke off in there and yet another brace has been ordered but he can't do surgery on the right leg until the left leg is healed enough to hold all of her weight and how can we completely strengthen the left leg if the right leg is gonna pop out every-time she works out. ARGH! Softball training is right around the corner too. It starts in October, she wants to get 1 year of softball under her belt before the next surgery. This is her freshmen year and she's afraid if she doesn't make the team this year it will be hard to make it next year.

Glad to hear things are going well on operated leg and sorry to hear about the other leg right now.  I just have a quick question.  My daughter's surgeon suggested 6-8 weeks between the two surgeries if we don't have them both done at once.  He indicated that would be enought time to allow healing for full weight on the first one and toe touching on the 2nd one.  Obviously it would be slow going, but I am trying to figure out, if your daughter is running 6 minutes on the treadmill, why that leg couldn't hold her weight WITH CRUTCHES  for the second one to get done?  I am trying to udnerstand just where someone has to be before they can get the second one done.  Thanks!!
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: smillie on July 02, 2011, 05:47:51 AM
When you're on crutches, the good leg has to do a lot of work. The crutches take the weight off of your surgical leg, but you have to pick them up to move them while all of your weight is on your non-surgical leg. Every time you get up out of a chair or bed or sit back down in the chair or bed, your non-surgical leg is holding all of your weight--while bending and straightening. Every step you go up or down is done with all of the weight being supported on your non-surgical leg through the range of motion. If you're standing still, usually you're standing there with your weight all on your non-surgical leg and the crutches are mainly helping with balance. When you have a TTT surgery (that is what you're talking about, right?) the bone might be ready to support your weight by 6-8 weeks, but most people don't have the quad strength by then to support all of their weight to this extent, especially going through the range of motion. I'm not saying it can't be done, but that could be the reason for some surgeons wanting to wait longer before doing the second leg.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: Rknees4 on July 02, 2011, 05:54:13 AM
Schinz
If it was my kid I would wait 6 months or longer.  As an old fogie I waited over a year and the first op knees still kicked up a stink, but that being said it is your choice.  I would wait at least 12 to 15 weeks on the short end.  Good luck
Rknees4
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: schinz on July 02, 2011, 03:33:30 PM
Rknees4 and Smillie...thanks for the explanation.  It makes perfect sense now.  I wasn't thinking muscle at all....duh!!!  And no, I am talking femoral rotational osteotomy, not TTT.  Thanks again for the explanation....that's why I love these boards.
Title: Re: Young girl, big surgery!!!!! Need reassurance
Post by: smillie on July 03, 2011, 02:10:23 AM
Ah...I was thinking TTT because that is what Miranda had done. I don't know how the muscles react for the femoral rotational osteotomy. Maybe it's not as much of an issue? You could always talk to some of the girls who've had that sort of thing done, though. Maybe check out some post-op diaries and see how they were feeling at the 6 week mark.