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Title: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 13, 2008, 05:11:17 AM
Well, it is now official - I am booked in for a distal patellar tendon transfer (aka TTT) on the 18th of June. This is how my day has panned out....

PT appointment first. PT checked out all my crepitus and ROM and did some massage. Expressed his hope that my OS would do something, as the exercises hadn't worked. Told me he'd like to watch my surgery if I have any, as he'd love to see what's in my knee (though it turns out that it's not on a good day for him)!!! Discharged me from PT with instructions to come back and let him know what the OS decides.

OS appointment next. OS not real happy about how things are going. Talks about surgery but not real optimistic about it  :P Then tells me to make a decision!! I asked lots of questions. I find out that he has an aggressive post op protocol. Weight bearing straight away, only with a splint if muscle strength not good (my PT contradicted him and told me I WOULD have a splint), and crutches for support if needed (I think I will need!). I am to do as much as humanly possible to build up quad strength and get the right muscle patterning - ie LOTS of SLRs. He said that going into the surgery with poor muscle strength isn't a good start and is more likely to result in the surgery not being successful. BUT I can't build up muscle strength with such irritable knees. He's really not happy with the situation, but there isn't anything else he can try until it comes time for partial replacement/resurfacing, and if things get left for much longer then they may get worse still. And, as he said "it may well work really well, we just don't know". So if this doesn't work, it's tough luck and it'll be medical management only for some time. I will stay under the same OS and he will monitor me regularly, but this is it as far as surgery goes for quite some time. He doesn't expect to do the same surgery on my left knee, as it's slowly plodding along without giving too much grief. And I found out that my MFC defect is in a spot where it's not likely to cause me too many problems. Phew!

Then it was time to make the surgery booking. Decided to go for mid June to fit in with other things (I have a first aid course on the 14/15th June that I wanted to be able to get to, and hubby is away on the 6/7th June). They had an opening for the 18th so I took it, as it is after all of my daughter's orthodontic appointments, and it's roughly two weeks before the school holidays, so I don't have to worry about imposing on friends to take the kids to school and home for too long. It suits me very well. I got told I have to be screened for MRSA (golden staph) due to my job as a nurse, so I then went off to the place where I could get that done (nose, groin and armpit swabs get taken to test for MRSA). I don't know what they'll do if I carry it, but I guess I'll have to shower in some fancy antibacterial soap prior to surgery at the very least.

After that it was time to come home and do battle with my washing machine that has picked today of all days to break down. At least it's still under warranty!

So, there it is. Now all I have to do is wait. Blah!! I hate waiting! At least I now have a time frame to work within. Any suggestions on what to do in preparation will be greatfully received.

Cheers,

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: chaos on May 13, 2008, 05:17:22 AM
ahhh kath sorry you need more surgery but am going to be positive and assume this is going to help you put an  end to your knee surgery.  i am always here if you need a good cry or to scream in frustrion.  thetime will pass very quickly so i suggest lots of bubble baths.  i haven't been in my poor bathbut in weeks.  i so want to paint my toes but that isn't going to happen in the very near future. oh well, i will get there when i get there.  pretty toes are overrated.

how are you feeeling about all of this??
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 13, 2008, 05:53:43 AM
Hi Allison,

Thanks for the words of encouragement. I live for my bubble baths, and I plan to have as many as I can while I am still able to, as baths aren't the best thing post-op! I find that a hot bath is one of the best things for soothing my knees when they hate me. Tonight before work will be a good night for a bath, as the kids will be out with hubby and my knees are complaining about the PT appointment. Or I might have a sleep instead, as I didn't sleep well last night (I wonder why?!!).

I must admit that I was disappointed by my OS's lack of optimism about the surgery. He really didn't know if it would be a good thing or not. I suppose it's good he didn't give me false hope, but I had hoped for something with a better chance of success. And after only two surgeries I will have exhausted all options at this point in time, which is not quite what I had hoped for either. Not that I want lots of surgery, but I feel like I am running out of options fast. God, I hope this surgery helps, even a bit!

Beda - I forgot to answer your question on your thread, so I'll give you the answer now. I go to a private centre called Sportsmed. They have their own hospital and day surgery unit attached, so my PT can come to visit me after surgery  ;) They have about ten to twelve orthopaedic surgeons, with varying specialities (mine is the most senior and the most qualified OS). They also have GPs, PTs, a gym and a few other services as well.

I hope you are all having good knee days (or better than usual knee days!). Tkae care.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on May 13, 2008, 09:21:50 AM
Hi Kathy,
Wow - a TTT for you!
I understand what you mean about your OS not being enthusiastic - but sometimes they are like that so as NOT to give false hope, he wouldnt be doing a major surgery if he didnt think there was SOME chance of it working out ok right? These guys do not do surgeries so they can be failures, I think he just wants you to be aware that there is risk involved and that that risk is that it may not work out 100%. Which is a responsible attitude for him to take because itd be awful if he was totally gung ho about it and not telling you the truth.

Can you do SLRs without pain Kathy? What else can you do without pain? I think as 'pre op prep' figure out any exercises that dont cause too much pain and do them as much as you can. Try not to worry about building bulk up, the reason you havent been able to is the reason WHY you need surgery, but if you can keep the messages going from the brain to the muscles you will have a good chane afterwards to wake them back up again.

How do you feel about it? I know you trust your OS but would you consider going for a second opinion to see if a different OS would seem more enthusiastic?

Kathy it COULD go really well and thats what youre aiming for - youve said yourself, there are no other options, but you cannot continue as you are - something has to change.
xxx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 13, 2008, 10:59:31 AM
Hi Tanya,

SLRs are really the only exercise I can do without pain. Actually, it's not really pain, but severe aching AFTER the exercise that is the problem, though some movements cause me lots of discomfort and some brief pain as my cartilage catches. I am ready to strangle my knees at the moment after today's appointments, which shows how bad things are, because my PT got me to do two squats with both legs, and one single leg squat on each leg, as well as one short arc quad per leg. And that's it! It has really flared things up something shocking. Anything that involves bending the knees seems to set them off sooner or later. Even walking. My OS says I still have some tracking issues, which is why I am still having pain and why he wants to do the TTT. He showed me how my kneecap shoots off laterally as I flex the knee, which apparently it shouldn't do (I don't really look at other people's knees to compare).

So, I agree in doing the SLRs and plan to do lots. My PT mentioned about keeping the muscle pathways alert too, like you did, so I will persist even though they don't seem to do much.

I realise that surgeons don't like to be too optimistic, but when mine shook his head and growled in frustration it sort of got me worried! I have vaguely contemplated getting a second opinion, but I am with one of the best OSs at the moment and don't really think I'd trust my knees to anyone else. Even though my LRs didn't give me pain relief, they corrected the tilt beautifully - my cartilage was just too chewed up for the release in pressure from the LR to do much in the way of improving the pain. And that is pretty much what I am worried about with this next surgery. I have researched plenty and can't really see any other procedures that I feel I should have been offered and haven't, and he has good explanations and reasoning behind what he does (when I bother to ask!). I think he honestly doesn't know if it will help, as there are too many variables with my knees. I trust him to try his best and if it doesn't work then at least I know I have tried. He really doesn't believe I'll end up worse, short of surgical complications, so I have to give it a go.

I am just hoping really hard that it works!

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on May 13, 2008, 11:56:54 AM
Kathy,
I once went to see the TOP knee surgeon in Ireland and he had one great piece of advice for me. He said that as everything I did seemed to aggravate my pain I had to sneak resistance onto my quads and one clever way of doing it was just by sitting watching tv with my leg extended and a weight on the end of it - not bending, not lifting, just sitting. That will cause tension in the quads even though it feels like youre doing nothing, youre fighting gravity.

You can also try some e-stim, again just so's youre not putting any weight through a bent knee. Just be careful you dont turn the intensity up too high cos that always used to make me ache.

Just do what you can kathy - you can only do whats possible for you without having too much pain.

Im REALLY hoping it works good for you too.

Did you ask him how long you are likely to have relief for if it works out good?

xxx



Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 13, 2008, 12:11:58 PM
Hi Kathy,

Sorry to hear you are up for more surgery and that your OS wasn't that optimistic.

I would definitely be seeking another opinion. Don't think you OS really has the best understanding of patella problems. The best in Australia is probably mine in Melbourne. Let me know if you want his details. I don't think it will be the end of the road if this surgery doesn't work.

Have you thought about doing clinical pilates ? It is a great way to strengthen up your quads and body in general. I have been limited in the exercise I can do and been one of the few things that I can do pain free.

Good luck !  ;)
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 13, 2008, 12:21:33 PM
Bugger! I knew there was something I forgot to ask!! I will be happy if it works full stop at this stage! I can guess it will be around the 5-10 year mark, though probably on the lower end due to the cartilage damage that has already occurred. I would be happy with improvement that is good enough for long enough for me to build up some muscle strength, so that I have some joint support again. That seems to be what works the best in keeping arthritis pain at bay. Once there is good muscle strength and endurance then it's easy(ish) to maintain things and the aching is less.

Thanks for the tip for the quad work. It's a good exercise to try.

Kirsty - You can PM me your OS details if you like. It would be worth keeping on hand just in case. My issues aren't just tracking though - I have chewed through lots of my cartilage and that's having a huge impact on my knees. The tracking isn't the best but it's the cartilage damage that is causing all my grief. So even if my tracking is corrected with this surgery I still may never get relief from the aching. The surgery isn't the end of the road completely, but it's the end of the road for quite some time. If it fails then I'll think about a second opinion, just to be certain, but I'm not letting anyone else near my knees just yet.

Oh crap, I'm going to be late for work if I don't hurry up!!! To be continued.....

Hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off to work I go.......

Goodnight  ;)

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: JoniF on May 13, 2008, 02:31:02 PM
Hi Kathy,

I'm sorry to hear that you require more surgery.  I am glad at least that you have a plan in place, I know you were going back and forth for awhile.  Hopefully this will fix at least some of your issues.  Will you have have to stay overnight?  When I had mine back in 1997 I was in for 3 nights and was not allowed to weight bear for 6 weeks.  Things have changed soo much since then though.  After reading everyone's posts regarding TTTs and everyone's dr.'s protocol's are soo different.  Please no that if you need anything, I am here for you.

Take care,
Joni
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: lb573 on May 13, 2008, 08:56:22 PM
Hi Kathy,

So it is now your turn to join the TTT club! I have to admit, it was not a club that i wanted to join, but now that i have, there are no regrets (well with the L knee anyway...it is way to soon to judge the R knee). I have to second with what has been already said as far as relaxing and enjoying those things that you may not be able to do post-op for awhile. Your post-op protocol sounds very agressive but in a good way...just a bit more agressive than my OS was with my L knee (if only things were the same with the R...). Prior to my TTT/LR's, i was told by my OS and PT that i could more or less do what i wanted and that some pain was totally okay. I know that the stronger your leg is going into surgery the better recovery should be, so definately do what you can to build up those quads...easier said than done though! Best of luck with everything!!

Leah
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 14, 2008, 12:49:35 AM
Hi All,

Thanks for the support guys! It's much appreciated.

Joni - I will be in overnight only, mostly to ensure pain control is established and sort out any mobility issues. I am to be admitted at 10am on the 18th and be discharged by 10am on the following day. I am trying to decide who I want to drop me off and pick me up. Hubby's work gave him grief last time he took the day off for my surgery, so I don't think I'll ask him to go through that again. I have several friends who'd be willing to help out, and so would my parents or my in-laws.

Leah - I am cautious about the aggressive protocol, but it certainly seems to work, and my PT is determined to get me mobile and out of the brace ASAP to prevent wasting quads causing ongoing issues, which is probably the biggest risk I face aside from surgical complications. The centre I go to is internationally known in the sports world for getting people back into their sport within much less time than with "traditional" rehab protocols. Their motto is "keeping active people active" or something similar.

How ironic this is - when I was given my forms to get my MRSA screen done I said to my OS's PA that I was glad we didn't have any VRE (Vancomycin resistant enterococcus) patients on the ward, as it's an even harder to treat infection than MRSA. And guess what we got on the ward yesterday?!! Yep! A patient with VRE  :( Thankfully they are allocated a nurse who only looks after the VRE patients, so I don't have to go too close, and it isn't likely to cause disease, even in a person that is colonised by it, unless they are immunosuppressed or similar.

Actually, I just remembered something. My OS asked me if I had tried taping. I think he was desparate for me to find some way of relieving the aching enough to improve my muscle strength, as the surgery will be more likely to have a better outcome if I can increase quad strength first. I tried taping years ago and it helped the pain, but I am allergic to tape and it got so bad that I couldn't continue with it (that's what got him groaning in frustration). I tried it for a bit before seeing my OS for the first time, and it helped in some ways and made things worse in others, and I was driven up the wall with the itching caused by the tape. Maybe I should try it again and see what happens, just so I can report back to my OS. Any thoughts?

Anyway, it's off to bed for me, as I am working again tonight. Goodnight.

Kathy  :D
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: KW on May 14, 2008, 01:05:57 AM
Kathy,  You really should try taping again. They make tape for sensitive skin that should not bother you as much. It is said that taping mimics the results of the TTT.  If if helps great...If if causes more pain or other issues I suggest you discuss these with you OS prior to your surgery. 

As for the aggressive PO Protocol...My 1st TTT had a VERY agressive Protocol.  I was never on crutches...only took pain meds for 2 or 3 days...back at work at 11 days PO (desk job) and I have a 1.5 hour commute.  I did better with the aggressive protocol then I did with the more conservative protocol of my 2nd and the snails pace I am on for my 3rd.  The other thought is that the sooner you are WB the sooner and faster the bone begins to knit.

Good luck,
Karen
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on May 14, 2008, 08:01:08 AM
Kathy - glad to hear you got through your appointment, sorry to hear the OS wasnt more convincing. But, as hes a top sports OS surely he knows what hes doing?? If you have any doubt in your mind whatsoever I'd certainly get a 2nd opinion if I were you!
Thats incredible fast your going to be in the hospital for about 24 hours!! i know they throw you out early these days, but 24 hrs. for a TTT sounds to me like its VERY fast. But you know what to expect, being youself 'in the business' so to speak! How long are you going to be off work?? If you have FWB immediatly, surely your going to be using some crutches for the first bit of time post op. I too will be FWB immediatly after my surgery, but the surgeon said I'd have to use crutches and I'd have to learn to walk all over again as the new leg is going to feel pretty strange. I hope for you that this op is the answer for your problems, and that it cures your pains, if it wins you 8-10 years before further surgery then is well worth it. i do HOPE for you that you DONT have to have further surgery after this if the op is a success, but time will tell. It must be a real killer being a nurse when you have to be on your feet so much. have you ever had a pedometer to work out how many miles you walk in a day? It must be a lot. When I was a chef sometimes I'd walk up to 4 miles each day, just running around in an industrial kitchen. Then theres a lot of just standing, like standing over a stove stirring etc.
kathy, I wish you all the best and will help you countdown to your op!!
Love Beda XX
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on May 14, 2008, 09:26:17 AM
Hi Kathy,
Try the taping - get the sensitive skin tape like karen suggests - its definitely worth a try. If you suffer an allergic reaction at least you can tell him you tried it?

I like the sounds of an aggressive protocol - it will win such gains in the long run - even though you will no doubt be cursing it initially :) But it will be fine!!

I really hope this surgery gains you a long number of years - thats the aim, same as me, I know some day a TKR probably awaits but its putting it off as long as possible we need.
xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 14, 2008, 10:29:33 AM
Hi Kathy,

My OS doesn't just specialise in patella problems. He also specialises in arthritis and knee reconstructions. My knee surgeon gets referred all the difficult cases, mine of which is one.

I am about to PM you his details.

Good luck !!  ;)

Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on May 14, 2008, 10:34:10 AM
Girls - DEFINITLY your MAIN concern should be putting off a PKR or TKR for as long as possible!! If they had done a cartilage transplant instead of a PKR way back when I was 29 I probably wouldnt be in this mess I'm in now. When they scoped me to see how advanced the OA was, they said then that either they could do a cartilage transplant OR a PKR. The surgeon wasnt sure about the cartilage transplant as he said they didnt have much success with it, so he opted for the PKR. This was the easiest for HIM not the best for ME. I would have been bettter served at that point if they had attempted the cartilage transplant. IF it had worked I wouldnt have had an implant go loose on me. But thats in the past, and its no  use speculating would could have happened, I just know that one OS did what HE did best and not was what the best for me in the long run would have been. I feel very bitter about this, thinking in retrospect. So always try to save the joint first.
Beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on May 14, 2008, 11:21:50 AM
Beda - this is why we need your Pre Op Diary so much - because you have knowledge that will help the rest of us out!!!
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 14, 2008, 11:42:01 AM
Far out, what a day!! I got a phone call after lunch to say that my father-in-law had been rushed to hospital due to a heart attack, so it was all systems go to organise someone to pick up the kids and to get to the hospital. Thankfully he's okay but he's obviously got medical issues that need dealing with, and will need bypass surgery in the future.

Beda - My OS knows what he is doing, which is why he couldn't give me any promises of success. I have no doubt about his abilities or about his knowledge, I am just disappointed there wasn't more hope, but he told me very early on that patellofemoral arthritis was not easy to deal with and there were limited surgical options to help treat it, and this has been backed up by what I have researched. It's not just alignment issues I am dealing with, it is also the fact that I have bare patches (down to bone) on a third of each patella and I now no longer have the thick ridge of cartilage that runs straight down the centre of each patella. So this will affect the alignment of the patellar, as will my lack of good quads, so I can see why the lack of optimism exists. Things are getting too far gone damage-wise to enable better results. BUT, if anyone can get me through this surgery successfully it'll be my OS and PT. I plan to put off any replacement surgery for as long as possible. I am young and can cope with some level of disability if need be. I'd rather do that now and then look forward to a new lease on life when I retire and can have TKRs done, instead of running the gamut of TKRs and revisions and ending up spending my retirement in pain and in search of a radical solution because all else has failed. If I have to use a crutch for support and pain relief here and there in the meantime - well, I am young enough to cope. It won't be so easy when I am older. So I can understand avoiding TKRs or PKRs for as long as possible.

Karen and Tanya - I have been there, done that, with the tape for sensitive skin. I have tried everything possible in the past. It's mostly because of the time span that you have to tape for. I can tolerate most tapes for a short period of time, but the longer I have them on for, the more I have problems with them. I even react to rubber elastic in bras/knickers and tubigrip, given long enough, though anything with adhesive is the worst. After my LRs I got to the stage where I was scratching my knees all the time due to the tubigrip I was wearing, though it was a week or more down the track before I really had problems. I do plan to try the taping, up to the point where I cannot tolerate it. I don't want to have blisters/rashes on my knees when it comes time for surgery though, so I have to be careful. When I do tape my knees I can feel an immediate improvement in the way my knee moves, and it certainly doesn't make things worse, just different. It worked very well when I was younger, before I had all the cartilage damage.

Kirsty - Thanks for the details. I will keep them on hand if things don't work out. My OS does specialise in arthritis surgery, replacement surgery, and cartilage grafting (which has been put on the table as a possible option to consider - because a TTT has to be done before or during patellar cartilage grafting I am okay with trying the TTT first and seeing how it goes before bringing grafting into the discussion). My OS also gets all the difficult cases, and I have been impressed with some of his success stories (I asked around before selecting a surgeon), so I don't think I'll need to go for another opinion, but I won't hesitate if I get told "that's it, there's nothing else we can do", unless I get very good reasoning for it.

I wrote a request out for three weeks of long service leave to use in addition to sick leave when I have the surgery. My PT told me to expect about six weeks off work. I didn't bother asking my OS, as they tend to look at the surgical healing time only and forget about gaining muscle control in order to function at work. Thankfully I don't have to spend too much time on my feet at work because I work night shift and it's fairly quiet. I moved wards last year. I was on a ward where I had to do a lot more walking overnight, but I was lucky a vacancy came up on a quieter ward. I worry about my ability to continue working, but we have some shares put aside to help cover us in an emergency. They will help cover the mortgage payments while we work out what to do. If I have to leave work then I will enjoy my time at home with the kids and take the opportunity to train for something else I might wish to do. If we have to move house then so be it. I am not going to stress too much about things that haven't happened yet and that can't be changed if they do.

Anyway, I am off to soak in a hot bath. It's been a stressful day and I need to chill for a bit. At least I don't have to work - I rang in sick as soon as I got the phone call about my father-in-law. We will give the kids a day off school tomorrow and take them in to see "Pops". My husband lost a best mate to a heart attack at age 35, and my son adored him and was devestated when he died, so he freaked when he heard the words "heart attack". When we picked him up he looked pale and stressed, so I think he'll benefit from seeing his Pops alive and talking.

Bye for now. My bath is calling!

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on May 14, 2008, 11:50:47 AM
Kathy - you are just SO IN TUNE with what is going to happen to you, you'll be just fine I'm sure. Sorry to hear about your father-in-law, thats never good, but at least you can take your children to see him so that they can get some comfort and peace of mind. I think you were wise taking time off work.
I find a good soak in the tub threrapeutical as well, well done - enjoy it!!
Catch ya later
Love Beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 14, 2008, 12:52:09 PM
Hi Kathy,

Sorry to hear about your father-in-law. It is good that they got onto it quickly. That is absolutely crucial. I have worked as a volunteer in cardiac rehab for a couple of years. So, know how important it is to get help straight away. My Dad also suffered a heart attack a couple of years ago.

Great you are able to take 6 weeks off. I wish I had that luxury.

I do hope your father-in-law will be ok.  :D
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 14, 2008, 03:15:18 PM
I am so glad my father-in-law didn't ignore the pain the way some people do. He did finish the golf hole he was on though!! He was on the last hole when he started feeling really bad and he thought that holing the ball would be the quickest way to get it all over with so he could get home. He drove home and then called an ambulance because he was feeling worse by then. He is a very lucky man! He looked so pale when we saw him, and he had apparently been even paler before I got there (I was the last to arrive, as my hubby works near the hospital and my mother-in law was with her husband in the ambulance). I am just hoping that nothing further occurs and he makes a good recovery.

Kirsty - I am very glad that I have enough paid leave to cover my rehab. And being able to arrange surgery so that I get school holidays off is great. I plan to enjoy every minute of my enforced time off work, even though it is for surgery! I am unable to return to work until I have full medical clearance - no cane or brace is allowed and I can't get light duties as it's not worker's comp (I am already on restrictions, but thay don't really affect my job enough for work to worry about them). How long do you have to take off for your surgery?

Beda - The soak in the bath was lovely and very therapeutic! I hope I don't have to abstain for too long after surgery!

Well, it's time for bed. Goodnight all.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on May 14, 2008, 03:22:28 PM
GOD NAT!! SOVE GODT OG DRØMME SØDT!! Thats good night, sleep well and have sweet dreams in danish!
Beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Sore knee on May 14, 2008, 06:48:38 PM
Sorry to hear you need surgery Kathy but when I get home I will catch up properly.

Hope your FIL is ok.

Take care and talk when I get home
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 15, 2008, 01:01:39 AM
Hi All,

Well, the stress has finally gotten to me - I woke up this morning with a croaky throat and stuffy nose! Blah  :P I've got too much to do to be sick!! We have kept the kids home from school today and we are going to see my FIL. I'll have to stay well away so I don't pass my germ on  :(

The good news is that my washing machine is now working!! Just as well, as it's been the week for bed wetting and I have a pile up of sheets to wash. I think it must have been the bucket full of water I slopped everywhere in the laundry (the handle came off) that got into part of the machine and stopped it working. Now it has had time to dry out it's fine. What a relief!!  :D

I hope you all have a good night (it's day here, but I am sure it's night for most of you). Take care.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 15, 2008, 06:21:10 AM
Well, I have tried the taping and it HAS helped, so I am a bit more hopeful about the TTT now. I found that the aching improved the second I applied the tape and that I was able to walk more comfortably. The knees still flared with some of my exercises, but at least I stand a chance of building up some muscle before my surgery, as I can do some more walking as well as my SLRs if the taping contiues to work. I may just have to apply the tape before going for a walk and then remove it after, so I don't kill my skin. I will see how it goes.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on May 15, 2008, 09:25:37 AM
Hi Kathy,
Im so sorry to hear about your FIL, I hope he is ok,thank god he didnt just ignore it!!!

Poor you and your stuffy nose and croaky throat - that is definitely stress!!!! Im terrified of coming down with something minor like that in the next week!!

Wow - taping helps!!!! Thats AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!! The TTT should bring relief without skin irritation so!!!

I am now on the 1 week countdown!! Yikes!!
xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 15, 2008, 10:34:10 AM
Hi Kathy,

Glad your father-in-law is ok and got onto it straight away. Does he need surgery or stents ?

I am sorry to hear you're not feeling well. Take care of yourself.

Saw my doctor tonight and very relieved. Think I'll get over the line with my surgery next week.

It is one week till Tanya and my surgery today. Hard to believe. I hope my OS is ok by then as he's just had surgery himself. I think he's back at work next week.  8)
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on May 15, 2008, 10:49:17 AM
What was your OSs surgery Kirsty? Wonder who performs surgery on the surgeon and also wonder does he go through all the same worries about asking questions that we do!!!
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: arkitect06 on May 15, 2008, 11:18:45 AM
Kathy, I wanted to tell you congrats on finally getting some info on this surgery.  I hope it works out for you!  I really really do.  If it doesn't, I hope it turns out better than me at least.  I also have a lot of cartilage damage.  They think that is why I am having so many problems after the TTT.  I hope you don't get too stressed out over everything.  Despite your OS's negativity, it sounds like you are thinking pretty positively.  I hope you get some relief from this!!  I had a some what aggressive protocol as well, but not as much as yours.  I was 50% weight bearing for 2 weeks, then was supposed to be FWB after that.  Well I have to get ready for work.  Thanks for all of your support and encouragement on my situation!  GOod luck!

Farrah
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 15, 2008, 12:02:46 PM
Tanya,

I reckon they probably worry as much, if not more, than us. I don't know about the worry about asking questions though. Whoever operates on them is probably so nervous about operating on a fellow surgeon that they would bend over backwards to give them lots of relevant information. I find it hard to have patients who are in the medical profession.

I am thrilled the taping helps. I really hope that it results in being able to get some muscle strength in the next few weeks. If it then results in an improvement in the pain without the tape then I will ring my PT and OS and discuss whether I should cancel the surgery, though my patella still shoots off sideways when I flex, so I guess I need it fixed before it chews up more cartilage. I just hope I get some benefit before I can no longer use the tape - my knees felt like I had stripped a layer of skin off when I removed the tape today  :(

Kirsty - My father-in-law had a stent put in fairly quickly on his arrival to hospital, but he will ultimately need a bypass as other problems showed up when they did the angiogram. He had much more colour in his face today - he looked so pale yesterday! The kids were happy to see him smiling and talking and they are much more relaxed now. So glad to hear your surgery is likely to go ahead. What a relief. I am glad I am sick now and not in four weeks time! I got sick right before my last surgery and I was madly rushing around trying to fill a script for antiboiotics so I could start treatment ASAP. I was better before surgery, though not fully recovered. I was extremely worried about the surgery being cancelled, so I know what you're going through. I hope your surgeon is recovered in time for your op.

Farrah - Thanks for the positive thoughts! I am feeling good about the fact that my OS is convinced that this surgery won't make me worse, short of surgical complications. Before my LR he told me that there was a 5% chance I would end up worse. Things are pretty horrible as they are, so I am not too concerned about the surgery causing me problems. I am not able to do much in the way of activity, and it's hard to get through a day's normal activity without aching. I spend lots of time in bed with my feet up trying to calm my knees down after a busy day, and things seem to be getting worse now that the cooler weather is here. I just want some relief. If I don't get it then at least I have tried. How bad were things for you before your surgery? I have days where I can't bear to walk unless I have to, because my knees ache from deep within when I do. And I get sharp pains when I have overdone it too. I am so regretting leaving things for so long before seeing an OS!!

Cheers,

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 16, 2008, 08:39:28 AM
Well, I got a little parcel in the mail today from my medical centre - two surgical prep washes, which I have to wash with the evening before surgery AND the morning of the surgery. I am assuming my swabs came back MRSA positive due to this, though they haven't told me yet. I also got another request form yesterday for MRSA swabs along with a note explaining they want me to have them done due to my profession - I think they forgot to document that they'd already given me the forms, and probably already have the results!! Oh well.

The taping didn't go so well today. It helped, but not as well as yesterday, and the reaction to the tape is taking longer to settle down. It itches and burns.

I am feeling a bit better today. I still have the sniffles and am a bit blocked up, but I feel a touch more human than I did last night.

It is pouring with rain here, and it's supposed to hang around all weekend. I am doing a camping course for Scout Leaders on Sunday, so we will have great fun (NOT!!) traipsing around in the Hills in the wet  :P

I hope you're all having a good knee day. Enjoy your weekend.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 17, 2008, 01:33:08 PM
Howdy all,

I am ITCHY!! This taping is not a good thing!! I can see exactly where the tape has been from the red marks all over my knees!! And to make it worse, when I hopped in the bath for a comforting soak, it BURNED my knees where the tape has been (sensation-wise, not a real burn).

To make matters worse, now I have reduced my pain killers another problem has reared it's ugly head. I am getting the crawly sensations back in my legs which I haven't had for a while. I am pretty sure I have restless legs syndrome, but I haven't had any problems lately due to the pain killers I have been on for my knees. I have never got it diagnosed because the only medications on offer here in Australia have been ones I haven't been eager to try, so I have controlled it with sleeping tablets, over the counter medications, deep heat cream, hot packs, and hot baths. I have tolerated it since my early 20s and there have been times I have been in tears due to lack of sleep and the uncomfortable restless, crawly sensation that makes me want to move my legs constantly. I sort of think it's time I did something about it. I am good at putting things off!! Just look at my knees.....

On the other hand, I am now on minimal pain killers, which I am pleased about. My headaches are coming under control (I think they are in part rebound headaches from the pain killers, as well as caused by stress) and I am using anti-inflammatory gel around my jaw to relieve the aching caused by grinding my teeth - which I do when I am stressed. My knees are coping alright without the pain killers, though I have been taping, which has cut back the aching somewhat while it's applied. I have also had a bit more rest than usual in the last few days, which has helped. I am back to my usual busy schedule tomorrow, so I will see how things go. As long as I can sleep at night I can cope with the aching in the day by distracting myself. I have a goal in sight, which helps.

I hope you are all having a good weekend.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 17, 2008, 01:58:32 PM
Kathy,

Sorry you are having reactions to the tape. That's why I don't use it. Has your OS or physio ever suggested wearing a brace ? That has helped me a lot more than taping.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend.  :D
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: arkitect06 on May 17, 2008, 02:00:39 PM
Hello Kathy, sounds like you are allergic to the tape like I am.  Just don't scratch it b/c then it will take forever to go away!!  I used to wear tape for for most of the day for about a month and my knees looked so gross!!  I would skip days here and there just so the tape wouldn't cause too much of a reaction.  The tape also helped me, but I still couldn't do anything before surgery.  It helped the constant pain, but still couldn't do things that would usually hurt. 

Melissa has RLS too.  She started taking a medication for it and it seems like it is helping her.  She has a post op diary.  I can't imagine having a crawly feeling in my legs all the time!!  That would freak me out and be very uncomfortable. 

Well keep taking care of yourself.  Do you have a knee brace you can try instead of the tape?   I would do that if the tape gives you an allergic reaction.  I started using a brace when the reaction got so bad.  Have a good day!

Farrah
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 17, 2008, 02:57:59 PM
Hi Farrah,

Yes, I have braces. Just neoprene ones. I can't stand the pressure of some of the patellar stabilising braces, as they push my kneecaps too firmly into the trochlear groove, which REALLY irritates my damaged areas. My braces have BIG holes for the patella to stick out. I find they are okay for short bits of activity, but when I want to do more than my knees swell a bit and the braces cause me lots of discomfort. They really only help a bit with the aching, and a bit with stability. I also find they make me itchy too, if I wear them a lot. My skin reactions can be a pain. I once left a bandaid on my thigh for a couple of days and when I took it off I had two itchy, puffy, red areas the exact shape of each side of a bandaid! I won't be able to tape for much longer. I didn't today, due to the allergy. I will only do it when I really need to - if I have a day at home, or I am working, then I won't bother. I will save it for the days when I have a chance of doing lots of walking (so I can build up some muscles!). I have noticed that the tape eases the aching, but walking is the only activity it really helps me do more comfortably. My knees still crunch a lot and most exercises still irritate.

I read about Melissa's RLS. I'd like to see if her medication is available here. The crawly feeling isn't there all the time, thankfully. Just when I sit/lie still, and usually only in the evenings/nights. Moving alleviates the feelings. Because I work night shift, and I sit down for much of my shift, I find it really bugs me then. At work and when I am trying to sleep are the times it really gets me down. I had hoped it had gone away, as I haven't had symptoms for about a year, but a year ago is when my knees started getting really bad and I upped the pain medications I was taking. I think the combination of bad aching and pain killers masked the crawly feelings. But today is the second time this week that I have noticed they are back. Bummer.

What sort of brace did you use? Did it help?

Anyway, I have an early start tomorrow, so I'd better think about heading to bed. Goodnight.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: arkitect06 on May 17, 2008, 06:38:14 PM
Kathy, I wore this one mainly....but my version was before the hinge support.  Mine would slide around sometimes, so it would only help until it slid.  When it worked, it was awesome though!!  I want to try the donjoy tru pull next.  I want to talk to my OS about it first. 

http://www.dme-direct.com/hely-weber-kuhl-hinged-shields-brace/
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 18, 2008, 09:11:09 AM
Thanks Farrah. I wonder how I'd go with one?! It's a pity we can't try one out first!! My main concerns would be the pressure over my patella (the hole isn't very big) and the rubberised piece that reduces slippage (as I react to things like that). Do you still wear it? Are you able to tolerate it after your TTT? Does it still help? I'll have to quiz my PT about it.

Today was busy. Went into the hills for a campcraft training day. We got put into groups and had to plan a camp, which we are to do in two weeks time. Not lots of walking, but the little there was happened to be up and down hills!! Ouch!! I'm glad I took my stick! Now I have to get through a night at work  :P

Kathy  ;D
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: arkitect06 on May 18, 2008, 01:50:35 PM
Kathy, I haven't really tried wearing it for a long period of time.  Last time I tried it on, it kept slipping, so I took it off.  It didn't help me during the 10 seconds that it was on correctly.  My pain was exactly the same.  I may try it again today though.  I am thinking of getting this brace below for my other knee while I wait for it to get fixed (if I ever have the courage to do it all again).  Clipped Wings (Angela) told me about it.  She also told me this website she ordered it from was great.  I don't know how it would work being from where you are, but you could call them and ask.  She said you can buy a brace and return it within 90 days if it doesn't help you.  So if I order this, I will definitely get it from this site.  Either way, this looks like a good brace.  It is similar to the other one I have, but it doesn't slip...supposedly.  It is worth a try for me.  I am going to talk to my OS about it some time. 

http://www.betterbraces.com/ViewProducts/DonjoyTru-PullLite/629.aspx

I can't believe how many activities you do!!  Have fun while you can!

Farrah
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 18, 2008, 06:25:12 PM
Kathy

   Found your pre-op thought I would read through a bit.  In one post you said that you can't do some of the bending exercises cause the cartilege catches....I assume that is from OA and not a tear?  Mine catches alot and I know its from tears.  I have been told I have the starting of OA in my rt knee not bad yet but my left knee it is more prominent.  He never told me what stage I have.  Guess i should ask after the surgery.  Need to know that so I can tell my GP. 
   I read what you said about the RLS.  It sounds exactly what I have!  I have noticed lastly that my hands go cold but no tingling.  Have you had testing for diabetes?  That is one thing my GP wanted to rule out immediately before I started the RLS meds. 
   Last night was terrible and today is worse.  I had to take the hydrocodone just to get out of bed.  I can barely stand let alone walk on my left knee.  I will be so glad when I get the scope and the OS takes care of the cartilege.  I just want to be able to function.  I am back to the crutches today.  I hate crutches!  I definately am feeling it for all that I did yesterday.  GUess playing outside with the kids is not going to be an option.  WIll just have to sit and watch them instead of do things with them.  Should have let my husband plant my new flowers instead of me.
   I too have back pain.  Partially from the knees but I havent had a good back since having my twins 4 yrs ago.  Having twins took a lot out of me.  I hate feeling like I am 80 when I am only 38. 
   I cant imagine being a nurse and having to stand all day.  I was a CNA and thats how my back problems started...lifting to many people even the correct way. 
  Hope you have a good day
melissa
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 19, 2008, 01:36:18 AM
Melissa - The catches are due to the OA. I have a big bald patch on the back of each patella and I assume the catching is due to the rough edges getting caught, and/or the underlying bone shredding the cartilage in the trochlear groove (I hope not!). It feels horrible - like I have a cheese grater implanted in my knees that is grating away the cartilage as I move.

I haven't had formal testing for diabetes recently - I had a glucose tolerance test done when I was pregnant with each of my kids, which was negative (I had the RLS symptoms back then, so I assume it's not due to diabetes). I have checked my own sugar level at work and it's always okay. If anything, it may be my iron levels, though I take vitamins, and I previously had symptoms despite normal iron levels at the time (tested for other reasons). I still prefer to be checked out again though, to seriously rule out other causes.

My back pain started with my pregnancies too - I had my two kids close together (14 months apart) and it took its toll. I had PT during my second pregnancy due to back ache/pain. Mine is mostly in my sacroiliac joint region, and feels like it is of soft tissue origin. I blame my pregnancies, my son's big head and years of nursing. My knees just result in it flaring up regularly, instead of infrequently.

Farrah - That looks like a good brace too. I'd be interested to see how it goes if you try it. If I continue to have problems after surgery then I'll look into that one I think. I have pretty much worked out why my OS is iffy about this surgery - part of what helps keep the patella in place is muscle strength, so this surgery may change nothing because I still won't have the muscle to keep my patella tracking how it should, even if the TTT fixes the "framework" of the joint. The TTT may fix things enough to reduce the irritation which will then allow me to build muscle, but it may also do nothing. I wonder if it's possible for it to help, and then for my muscles to become strong enough to "overbalance" things and cause problems with the patella tracking too far medially!?! Who knows. I have at least worked out in my head why this surgery isn't necessarily going to be a success, and what the OS was concerned about.

Anyway, it's time to hit the sack. I'm starting to droop! Bye for now.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 19, 2008, 08:46:17 AM
Hi Kathy,

I have used the Tru Pull Lite brace and found it very good. Like you my skin is very sensitive. I didn't get any irritation from it at all. It may be worth trying before your surgery.

If I was you I'd actually delay your surgery until your quads are strong enough. It concerns me that your OS is prepared to operate despite them not being very strong. I think you should seriously think about doing clinical pilates. It is a great way to strengthen your quads, hips and glutes, especially if you aren't able to do much other exercise. Using an exercise bike is a good way of buillding up your quads, but not sure whether you've tried that and if it stirs you up or not.

One of my friends is seeing my knee surgeon and he wouldn't operate until her quads were strong enough.

Just some food for thought.
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 20, 2008, 12:49:30 AM
Hi Kirsty,

I have spent the time since my LR surgery trying EVERYTHING to build up my quads, to no avail. Swimming (and water exercises), cycling (exercise bike - I can do 5 min TOPS and even that stirs things up  :P), walking, exercises of all sorts. The risk of not operating now is that my quads may even get weaker and cause me more problems. My OS is reluctant to operate due to the weak quads, but he is also aware that this surgery COULD resolve things enough for me to be able to get some muscle strength back, and that delaying it COULD result in things getting worse. I have no problems strengthening other muscle groups, but my quads are like limp dish rags!! I already do pilates exercises for a bit of variety. I was doing pilates and lots of walking to keep fit and still my knees managed to end up going downhill fast over 6-12 months. I think that the bone was finally exposed and that's when things deteriorated much quicker.

My biggest issue with many patellar braces is that I cannot bear any pressure over or near my patella - it really sets off the aching, as it pushes the raw bone harder against the underlying joint. The brace I used to use worked really well until my cartilage started becoming pretty chewed up, and now it causes more pain than improvement. Even tubigrip can get uncomfortable over my knees when I'm having a bad day.

Anyway, I don't think there is any right answer for my problem. I think it's just a matter of trial and error to see what works. I have already been down the exercise path with my knees as they are, and have seen no real improvement in my right knee - my bad days are worse than ever. My left knee is holding it's own and may improve very slowly with continued exercise - I actually hold out some hope for the left knee and the plan is to not operate on that one, with any luck.

Well, it's my bed time, so I'll leave things there.

See you all around.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 20, 2008, 04:19:03 PM
Kathy with the OA so bad and bone on bone now as your OS talked about a TKR?  Just wondering.  I know they dont like to do it when you are young.  But sometimes i think the OS's need to get over the protocols and do what is in the best interest of the patient.  Sorta like with Farrah.  Something has to be done for her.  I am sure muscle weakness plays a part but not to the point you cant stand on the knee.  I mean that has to do with more than just muscle weakness...but I am not an expert!
When is your surgery again?

Melissa
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on May 20, 2008, 08:04:52 PM
At one point last year my muscle weakness was so bad that if I spent ANY time on my leg (like standing for long enough to smoke a cigarette) it would swell up and get really tense and stiff and when I went to move it would be SO easy to sublux it. When my muscles got stronger a lot of that went away - now I can stand about on it for an hour or more and its just a knee - nothing major happens. So some of that stuff IS muscle weakness - more about having the brain talk to the muscles than them being small I think though. If you are standing around on an unsupported joint its not going to be pleasant because the kneecap will not track properly, and basically the bones just smack off each other with no 'pull' anywhere from muscles.
So its worth trying to get to a point you can actually strengthen them before going for radical surgery. Pain is such a bugger for switching the muscles off - I never knew it could be so complete til I had zero muscle on my right leg and no matter what I did it wouldnt build because I was just 'going thru the motions' with exercises and they wouldnt switch on.
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 21, 2008, 12:44:17 AM
Melissa - It's not bone on bone yet. I have no damage to my trochlear groove, and the rest of both knees (apart from one patch on my MFC) are also pristine. It's only the back of each patella that's bare bone (about 1/3 of each). Also, I don't have any ligament problems (eventually OA affects the ligaments) and I have full ROM. I have consistent aching, for the most part, but it's not completely unbearable and I can tolerate it most of the time. It's just the bad days that I hate. So.....I am not yet a candidate for replacement or resurfacing. I wouldn't want it done yet anyway. I'm not ready to go down that path!! I will be curious to find out how much more damage has occurred since my last surgery - I am sure that the trochlear cartilage will be involved eventually.

My surgery is the 18th June (4 weeks away).

I have had to go back to taking some extra pain killers in the last couple of days, as my legs have been too "crawly" to tolerate. I even had an insane itching/electric shock sort of feeling at the top of my thigh/lower stomach/groin overnight that scratching didn't help but the pain killers did. I am assuming it is a different RLS symptom.

Tanya - I agree. A lot of pain can arise from muscle weakness, as muscles play a huge part in stabilising and supporting the joints. I wouldn't be surprised if my tracking issues have arisen because of weak muscles. I have been doing a variety of quad exercises to attempt to get SOME strength back. I am treading a fine line between overdoing it and doing enough to build muscle. My kneecaps feel like they track funny after I have done lots of SLRs or similar, and I get pain on flexion straight afterwards. When I contract my right quad, I can feel the damaged area pushing into the joint (ouch). The left one doesn't have that problem thankfully. I try to contract it to the point just before the discomfort starts, and then hold it there. My PT said that even if I don't build up muscle, I am helping keep the neural pathways open and I increase my chances of a quicker recovery.

Anyway, it's my sleep time again. I have days off now, thankfully, so I don't have to worry if I don't sleep the full day - however, it's usually when I get the best sleep!!

Bye for now. Take care all.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on May 21, 2008, 09:30:01 AM
My PT said that even if I don't build up muscle, I am helping keep the neural pathways open and I increase my chances of a quicker recovery.

Kathy - just wanted to highlight what you said there - that is EXTREMELY important!!! My pathways closed down from slow atrophy over the years and it took a LOT to open them up. At least if they are open you have a better chance at building muscle.
xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 22, 2008, 12:21:26 PM
Hi Guys,

I think I've overdone the exercise a bit!! My knees are aching and my legs have been insanely crawly for the last few nights (too much exercise does that  :P). I had to take a Temazepam and a Tramadol just to get to sleep last night, and I haven't been up to doing much today. I have too much to do, and sitting around doing nothing because of my knees has really irritated me.

I am trying to work out what I need to be doing to prepare for this surgery. Will I have to sit down to shower? How long should I plan to have easy/pre-cooked meals for? What is the best way to carry food and drink when on crutches? What other things do I need to consider for when I am in a brace and for when I am on crutches? What am I going to find difficult? Is there anything I can do now to make things easier? I am setting up my bed in my sewing room, so I don't disturb hubby when I can't sleep. I think I'll start storing up on some microwave meals and easy to cook things, as well as other food and items that keep, so I don't have to worry about the grocery shopping for a bit - hubby can just pop down the local shop for milk, bread and other perishables. I'll have to get another couple of ice packs too. Any more ideas?

I am starting to be aware that I don't have heaps of time to prepare, as I have a busy schedule with work, Scout training, and costume sewing. At least the costume sewing will bring in a bit of extra cash to buy shelving for my sewing room to keep it tidier  ::) and will help pay the out-of-pocket expenses for the surgery.

I hope everyone is having a better knee day than me  ;)

Cheers,

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on May 22, 2008, 06:56:31 PM
Hi kathy. have read your thoughts - when my surgery comes I too will be thinking in those lines, but I live with my mom now, so I will have someone to take care of suff like food prep. etc. guess I'm lucky like that, but I have a very long recovery process in front of me. I wont be in a brace or cast unless the OS feels my leg needs the extra stability under surgery. He told me he'd rather put a cast too many on than not enough, so I dont know what to expect.
Have moved house now, nearly took the life ot of me, and my modem failed so I havnt been able to keep in contact, but now things are fixed so I'm back on line. I'll try to write some more later, but right now m legs bitching and I'm VERY tired, soooo
good night
love bedaxx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Peg Leg on May 22, 2008, 09:26:46 PM
Kathy,

   Hi!  You're wise to start preparing now, instead of the week before surgery!  I cooked double meals and froze one, to stock up my freezer.  I also bought non-perishable items such as Toilet Paper, etc.. kids snacks for their lunches, drinks that I enjoy, my  fiber ( don't overlook this important item!! and Dulcolax,too! :o :o) and extra chicken soup, applesauce and fruit since I eat mainly this for a week after surgery, because the drugs do a number on my tummy.  I use a shower seat, but some have recommended a plastic yard chair, I also borrowed a raised potty chair and used a small stool to support my foot.  A friend loaned me a walker with a seat and this comes in handy for moving things around the kitchen.  I set stuff on the seat and hop!! Also, a large water bottle is easy to carry while on crutches or you can toss it in the backpack.
I also use a lightweight  mesh backpack bag to carry things when I move from room to room, or from the porch to inside.  It works well since your hands are occupied by the crutches.  I also have set up a room downstairs and it has worked out really well.  I read at night when I can't sleep and the stairs are just too dangerous when we are high on the meds!
   Our friends and Church brought us meals about 3x's a week for the first 4 weeks and that helped so much!  I also bought some convenience frozen foods that were easy for the kids to prepare. I have also had to arrange rides to PT and the Doc. since my husband travels quite a bit.  Thats all I can think of right now, but I hope some of this is helpful!  If I come up with anything else, I''ll pass it on.  I hope that knee settles down for you!  Mine is hurting today, but I am doing more and more each day, so it's to be expected I guess.

Take Care!  Peg Leg
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 22, 2008, 11:52:14 PM
Thanks Peg,

Lots of useful info there. I hear you on the fibre!!! Those pain meds certainly have some annoying side effects  :P Hubby has come to the conclusion that meat dishes that have been frozen somehow taste different and upset his tummy  ::) so I can't pre-prepare and freeze any meals for him. I'll do some for the kids and leave him to his own devises if necessary (he might appreciate pre-prepared meals after that). I will get him some bought frozen dinners (which he WILL eat - dunno why mine are any different!). I am like you in that I won't be eating much in the first week. I'll just graze on crackers, soup and toast. I'll have to arrange rides to PT and the OS too, as hubby works during PT hours. I don't know how I'll manage this during school holidays when we all have our kids at home - it's a bit hard to fit two adults and all our shared kids in one car! I guess I'll have to find a babysitter too, or use my friends with 7-8 seater vehicles.

We have a yard chair I can use in the shower, but I don't know how I'll be able to stretch my leg out straight without leaving the shower door open. I might look out for a high stool I can perch on instead, so my leg is at a different angle (more straight down) and I can fit in the shower cubicle. I think a raised toilet seat with handles is probably a must, as I can't imagine sitting on the loo as it is with one leg out of commission and the other knee not 100%. I think that's the first thing I'll get, along with a stool to prop my leg on. I can work around the rest if need be. A walker with a seat would be handy. After my LRs, I used a laundry trolley, but I can't really lean on it to walk. I guess I can crutch it and just shove it along in front as I go. I'll think of something.

I have offered to help my friend paint her house today. I am doing the feature walls, as I have a steady hand to do straight edges, and any wobbly painting will show up easily with the darker paint she is using. I HATE looking at wobbly paint jobs!! I don't think my knees are going to like me after this! At least she is only next door, so I can duck home in between coats (I'll do the cutting in at the edges and she can do the roller bits with her other helpers).

Anyway, it's off to school to drop off the kids now. Thanks again Robin.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: KW on May 23, 2008, 12:03:56 AM
Kathy~ With my last TTT Revision I did not get a actual medical shower seat.  I used a plastic step stool for a home improvment store (Lowes for those in the states)....

(http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/051751/051751067453md.jpg)

I sat on the top step.  It is a perfect fit for a tub/shower combo.  It was a heck of a lot cheaper then the shower stool I got for my 2nd TTT...and the expensive shower stool was made of really cheap material that did not last very long (thus needing to get another).  Now i use the step stool to sit on when I work in the garden.

Karen
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 23, 2008, 03:28:07 AM
Thanks for the idea Karen. I hadn't planned on buying a proper shower chair, as I could probably make do with something from home. I like the idea of the step stool though. I am still trying to work out what to do with my leg in the shower though. I guess I'd fit diagonally across the shower with my leg stuck out in front of me, and a stool like yours would enable me to do that. I am not really tall, but I do have longish legs and a smallish shower, so if I have to keep my leg straight then things are going to be awkward.

Beda - I live with my hubby and two kids, but none of them are very good in the kitchen. I am good at finding quick and easy meals, so I think I'll be doing that while I am on crutches. The kids will get cooking lessons too, as they'll have to help a bit!! Hubby can contribute in the first week or so when I will be too sore to do much.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: KW on May 23, 2008, 03:40:47 AM
Kathy~ Unless you are told otherwise you will be able to bend your knee some after surgery.  It's not like it is going to be stuck straight.  I was able to bend my knee enough to get it in the tub with me.  When i was not allowed to get the stitches wet I would cover them in plastic wrap and prop my leg up on the side of the tub. 

A hand held shower head is a good thing too.  Made things really easy. 

For the first week or so I washed my hair in the kirchen sink and washed the rest of me with baby wipes and wash cloths.

Karen
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 23, 2008, 03:58:21 AM
Oh good!! I know after TTTs some have had to keep their leg straight, even when showering, but with the aggressive protocol my OS has, I am hoping I can bend it to sit etc, and just wear the brace for walking. It's promising to hear from someone who has been allowed to bend a bit.

I did the "top and tail" washing for a while too, last time, but I didn't do the hair. I just covered my wounds well and showered once my hair was screaming for a wash! We don't have a hand held shower head. I am thinking it might be a good idea!!

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: KW on May 23, 2008, 04:05:47 AM
With my 1st 2 TTT's I was give enough flexion to sit in a car or chair (50* or so then increasing each week with Full ROM by around 3/4 weeks) right out of the hospital. If you have a agressive protocol, as my OS does, then i don't think you will have any issues.  Actually I was up FWB right out of the hospital.  My last TTT (the one I am recovering from now) was a revision because of a non-union so it was very different.

The hair in the sink is great at first.  Takes alot less time then taking a shower.  And the hand held shower is a great thing esp if you are going to be sitting to shower.

Karen
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on May 23, 2008, 06:16:33 AM
Kathy - dont the hospital have a dept. for items you can borrow for your recovery time? They do over here in DK. You would get sent home from hospital with all the requsites you need and borrow them for the duration of your recovery. This includes stuff like bath benches, toilet seats (high ones), and some wonderful long plastic bags with elastic at the top that you just pull over your leg and hey presto! Your ready to shower! A hand shower is a must in the beginning, but maybe your shower has a removable tube on it where the head can be changed out for a hand one temporarily whilst your recovering. Most showers are standard measurements, and a new shower head only costs a very few Kroner ($) or whatever your currency is??!! Another thing I have is an office chair on wheels in the kitchen. This you can lower up and down according to the hight of your units/sink and you can sit down and do the kitchen chores, and with your good leg you can push yourself around. I use mine all the time, its invauluble. I couldnt do without it. That was another thing I got from the hospital last time I was operated on, and I've just never given it back because I use it all the time. You can keep the help- requsites for as long as you need to use them. But I dont know how your system is down under, maybe you dont have the same service. My crutches also came from the store for help-requsites.
Hope you get sorted out, I'm sure you will. I dont understand why hubby cant eat your frozen foods!!! I did a major research paper on freezing foods for my finals in cook school. Theres aboslutely NOTHING in frozen food that would upset his tummy if the food is frozen quickly and made freshly, he must have had a one off bad experience, speciall if he can eat commercial frozen foods, because commercial frozen foods is the poorest of foods there is on the market - but maybe he just LIKES TV dinners, theres some people that live on them!! How many kids do you have??? I know that the post-op period can be very difficult and very painful. I hop for ou that with yur OS's aggresive program you will be able to be FWB from the start, and that you will be able to bend your leg some. The GOOD thing kathy is, youve seen a lot of people who have had this done before working on a Orthopædic dept so you know what to expect. I know its a small comfort and it doesnt make YOUR pains less, but it does give you the hope that you know youll get through it,, and if your getting good results with taping, theres every chance for that you will have succesful surgery, so lets hope your recovery will be qiuck and not-too-painfull. I dont need to tell you to keep on top of your pain meds and dont let yourself get into a lot of pain by letting yourself not be covered. I found that once I got into a state of strong pains post op, it was difficult to beak it again. the pain doc at Rgshospital told me that you get 30-40% better pain relief if you take paracetamol 4 x a day on TOP of the stronger pain meds like morphine derivatives. The morphine actually works better if you take panodil every 4 hours. I do that, plus an NSAID then morphine on top. That advice is from the pros, so there must be some truth in it, even though when I take the panodil I think that this cant possibly hae any effect on my very difficult pain probs.
 catch ya later
Love Beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 23, 2008, 08:41:29 AM
Hi Beda,

I don't think the hospital lends any stuff like that to patients. I think it's because it is a private hospital, rather than public. A public hospital would organise through a home care agency to supply that sort of stuff for a small cost. I plan to buy a high toilet seat, as I will need it longer term anyway, as my knees will deteriorate eventually, even if this surgery works. It's just one more thing I can do that reduces strain on my knees long term. A shower seat will be a seat we have, or a cheap stool like Karen suggested (I have seen them around, so I know they're available). I will look at fitting a hose for the shower, maybe. It'll certainly make washing the dog easier too!! I have stuff I can put over my stitches when I shower. We have used the bags at work in the past, but only as a trial, so I can't "borrow" some. I like the idea of an office chair! I had a friend offer me an old wheelchair, which I can borrow if I want, so that might do the trick.

I don't know what hubby's problem is with the frozen food. I think it's all in his mind. Maybe he didn't heat it up hot enough and it tasted funny due to that, and his stomach rebelled because his mind told it to.

I have two kids - a boy, Alex, who turns 11 just before my surgery, and a girl, Jordan, who will be 10 in August. They can be a big help when I really need them to be. Last time I had surgery, thay made their school lunches and helped with the washing and all sorts. The house turned into a bit of a scrap heap, but I couldn't complain too much, as the most important things got looked after.

I take regular Paracetamol. I use a slow release formula which is taken three times a day. I don't know if it does anything, but I take it anyway, as I have heard the same thing you have, about it helping give better pain relief when taken in combination with your stronger pain killers.

Thanks for all the input! Have a good weekend.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on May 23, 2008, 10:08:00 AM
Hi Kathy,
youve gotten some great advice there about how to prepare - I can only add to get a camping style thermos that comes in a bag on a strap so that you can make tea and put it in the thermos and then sling it over your shoulder to move it to where you want to sit down.
Back pack rocks on crutches too.

I was in a POP cast for 6 weeks on my TTT and used a basin of water and a wash cloth to wash, and hung my head back for hair washing over a sink with a jug of water, Not perfect but it worked.

Definitely get the high toilet seat and put a low stool in the toilet too in case its easier for you to stick your leg up on it while using the loo.

Not long to go now for you - Im sure it will all go fine, I think its great your OS has an aggressive protocol - you will curse him for a few days but youll thank him later!!
xxx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 26, 2008, 05:16:06 AM
Hi All,

I just wanted to know - what sort of post-op braces have you all been in and what were the good and bad points? I have been told I am supposed to be in a zimmer splint, which is a rigid full leg type splint. I am wondering if it is worth getting myself a hinged post-op brace, so I can release it to sit, and also open it up slowly as soon as I start to regain quad control. Maybe this will help me ditch the brace quicker, as I don't have to go straight from brace to no brace. I can sort of wean off it slowly and so can start sooner. I am wanting to know what others have found with their braces. The hospital supplies me with their standard (as we have to pay for and keep it, they just go with the cheapest, I assume) but they do say that if we wish a different brace then it is at our expense. I will ring my PT and ask him, but I just want to know what others have found to be a good brace.

I feel like I am getting nowhere fast. I have too much to do and surgery day is fast approaching!! We had mice in our kitchen cupboards recently, so we pulled out all the stuff and cleaned up, and hubby has just ditched all my plastics back into the cupboard willy-nilly!! I can't find anything now  :( It's just one more job on my long list of things to do!! To make it worse, I have spent today trying to sleep after working a night shift, and I have been wide awake all day. I may as well have stayed up and got some jobs off my list!! Now I am feeling fuzzy-headed and headachy because I am tired, and annoyed at myself for not getting up and doing something useful once I realised I wasn't going to sleep.

Well, my daughter and I are off to see the Australian Ballet tomorrow night with my brother, Mum and Nana, so I get a night to chill out and relax. I am looking forward to it. Then it's back to business!!

On Wednesday it'll be three more weeks to go  :o I'm starting to get nervous! I think I need to concentrate on kittens and puppies  ;)

Cheers,

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: arkitect06 on May 26, 2008, 06:03:42 AM
Hello Kathy,

I had an immobilizer for the first 2 weeks after surgery.  After going to my first OS apt, he asked if I still felt I needed some support and I replied yes, so he gave me a PO ROM brace completely unlocked to use for up to 4 weeks until my next OS apt.  I loved that compared to the immobilizer b/c I could walk with it and move my leg normally while still having support.  If you will have to wear a brace for 6-8 weeks or however long, I would definitely advise getting a PO ROM brace.  Mine seemed to be a generic brand b/c there wasn't a label anywhere on it.  So I don't know what company made it. 

You will do well with your surgery.  The pain is manageable with pain meds.  The first 2-3 weeks were normal recovery for me.  It was around week 4 that I started noticing all these problems that started in PT that I have now.  So the first 2-3 days were the most difficult.  The other days were easier with pain meds.  I took percocet for almost 2 weeks, but everyone is different.  If it wasn't for what started at week 4, I'd say this surgery was a breeze.  If it turned out the way it is suppose to then PT wouldn't have been as painful and I'd be walking by now.  :(  Anyway, good luck preparing!

Farrah
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: KW on May 26, 2008, 04:18:21 PM
Hi Kathy, 

This is a decision to be made by your OS.

I would suggest following your OS Protocol.  If he/she says no brace then no brace.  He/she has the protocol for a reason and not following it may have adverse effects on your recovery.  If after your surgery you feel you need another brace talk to your OS.  He/She will make sure you get the brace approperate for your situation.  You OS is concerned about you retaining as much muscle as possible after this surgery and having another brace after the immob may not be the best idea.

Karen
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Sore knee on May 26, 2008, 09:28:18 PM
Wish I could help you here
 
I have and am still in a split. Its black with a cut out over the knee and has stiff rods down the back and sides and I cant bend in it.

Dont know how long I will be in it but dont know if its something similar you will be in.

 I know I was like you before my surgery constantly wondering what all I needed to do before hand. You are so active and talented...painting and everything. You are a very active lady. I am so impressed as you do so much with your kids and having 2 young kids myself I admire you.
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 26, 2008, 11:51:12 PM
H Guys,

Karen - my OS said I "may not even be in a splint" but my PT said that, realistically, I will definitely be in one. I get the feeling that it is the PT who calls the shots regarding the brace because he is the one who assesses muscle function. The brace they give me will be a zimmer splint, like the one Joanne is talking about. It is a basic immobiliser and quite cheap. The post-op hinged braces do the same thing, so I would wear one INSTEAD of the zimmer splint, but have the added benefit of being able to be unlocked so you don't have to remove the entire brace to sit in a car. I am assuming that I will be allowed some flexion fairly early, due to the aggressive protocol, but will need it locked in extension to walk. As far as I can tell they don't use anything fancy because of the cost and the "non-returnable" factor. They do specify that if we wish a different type/brand of brace/splint then we have to fund it. And I will check with my PT first anyway. I am just trying to decide if it's worth it, which is why I wanted to find out what others thought of their post-op splints/braces. I have several things to go to after surgery which require me to sit (school concerts, dance concert, and a couple of other things on top of the car trips to get there) so I would like a hinged brace if possible simply for ease of use. I could be rid of the silly thing really quickly, but it could take ages, and I don't want to be removing it each time I want to sit! If I am not allowed any flexon then it won't matter which brace I get, but I will be in a pickle with the concerts etc! Not comfortable  :(

Joanne - Your splint is exactly what I will be given, unless I make other arrangements. Sometimes it's all too much to think about! How do you go when you have to sit in a car? With two kids I don't have the option of sitting with my leg across the back seat. I hope I can fit in the front seat! The kids' activities never stop and I really want to be able to go to their concerts, even if I have to sit with my leg in the aisle and hope nobody trips over it (ouch!!). I don't know about being talented - just too stupid to say "no"!! I really need the money some of my projects will bring in, as it's my son's birthday soon, and I want to be able to set myself up well before the surgery, just to make things as easy as possible.

Anyway, it's time to take the kids to school. Better get moving and get dressed! Bye for now.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 27, 2008, 04:49:50 AM
Hi All,

I'm back again. I've done too much and now I'm paying the price, so I am stuck with my feet up trying to recover a bit. I'm frustrated because I haven't really done anything, just stand at the table, cutting material out for costumes. My knees did ache a bit more than usual this morning, probably from the change in weather we've had, but now they feel stiff and swollen. They don't look swollen, and I know from measuring around my knees that they are only about 1/2 inch bigger than usual, but it makes a lot of difference to the way they move and feel. My left one is actually worse than the right when it comes to the stiff feeling. The right just plain aches, bone deep. I really just want to soak in a hot bath and go to bed, but I am going out tonight - I actually have something on every night this week and all weekend! I am trying not to think about it!

Well, enough complaining. I think it's time to find something constructive to do instead. Bye.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on May 27, 2008, 07:11:03 AM
Dear kathy. I know that feeeling of your knee getting swelled and 'tight', its very invalidating. Only ½ inch is still quite a lot because when you think of it your tissues are bogged with water, thats what causes it to swell and then you definitly cant bend so well. I have very gross swelling in both legs, but my left (the bad one) is a lot worse. I can press my finger into the swelling and the finger mark can be seen as a deep crevice. This is on the bad leg. I
ts really good you've got so much to do in a way, makes the pre-op time go faster. I know you've written it before, but I cant for the life of me remember when it was exactly your surgery is scheduled for. What kind of health system do you have in australia, is it like the NHS in England or is it insurance, or a mixture of privae and public?? here in Denmark we have a system that the politicans liek to say is classed in the 'worlds best'. But its not. Right now the nurses and other health care workers are striking and I'm getting nowhere fast with my operation. I just hope that one day I will have a letter from Rigshospital and all of a sudden I have to meet up, like from one day to the next. But I dont see it happeneing before the summer holidays now. Theres another problem, and that is for some reason the anæsthesia nurses are having problems in the OR and a lot have stopped working (quit) so they cant do as many ops as they would like to. Its all a real mess, and  there is something over here called 'treatment garantee' which means if you cant get treated in for 3 months you have the right to seek a private hospital on the health systems bill, but no private hospital can take me, they say the op is too specializd and too big a deal for them to cope with. I have tried to get into the private régime but they refused me. So I have to wait patiently for the nurses and the others to stop striking, and for the holidays to be over. At least i got the preliminary investigation with the OS done, and the wheels are set in motion. It's not from    HIS side all the delays are, its all the red tape there is and strikes.
I wish I were in Australia, because here in the move my mom had a load of different types of materials she had left over from her proffessional dress making business, and we have had nowhere to put them, and thought of giving them away to someone who makes costumes for a theater or something. We ended up giving them to Africa, i thought a person like you was just someone we were looking for to give the matrial to, someone who makes costumes!!! Never mind, australia IS a BIt far away!!
kathy, look after yourself and that knee of yours, I really do hope that you have  a succesfull operation, and you will benefit from it and get some relief. You really sound as if your struggling along now, and you cant keep that up.
Look after yourself
Love Beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 27, 2008, 07:54:12 AM
Hi Beda,

It IS harder to bend my knees when they are stiff/swollen. It feels yuck! I am glad it's not as bad as yours though. I really hope you get some resolution soon. It can't be good for you to have your knees so bad for so long.

My surgery is on the 18th June. Three weeks away tomorrow. I really feel like I am running out of time to do everything I want to! It'll be good to keep busy though. The time will fly. I am sorry that your surgery won't be as soon. Strikes are a pain in the butt when they affect you so badly.

Our health system has Medicare, which is a government funded system (which we contribute to via taxes) and everyone is entitled to health care through Medicare but there is less choice regarding who you see, who does your surgery, and when surgery is scheduled. We also have private health care, which is how I am having my surgery. We have private health insurance which means I can choose my surgeon and have a say in when I go for surgery. It does cost us more though, on top of the insurance payments. There is nearly always a "gap" between what the insurance will fund and what the doctors charge. The private system has improved though, and the gap payments aren't as bad as they used to be.

I am sort of glad you don't live in Australia! I have too much material already, and it's been a difficult job to make room for a bed in my sewing room!! My friend gave me the following in a frame which is hung in my sewing room.....

                                            TEN GOOD REASONS TO BUY FABRIC
1. It insulates the cupboard where it is kept.
2. It keeps the economy moving - it is my duty to support cotton farmers, textile mills and fabric stores.
3. It is less expensive and more fun than psychiatric care.
4. I'm participating in a coontest - the one who dies with the most fabric wins.
5. It keeps without refrigeration, you don't have to cook it to enjoy it, and you never have to feed it, wipe it's nose or walk it.
6. Because I'm worth it.
7. Like dust, it's good for protecting previously empty spaces in the house, like the ironing board, the laundry basket and the dining room table.
8. It's not immoral, illegal or fattening, it calms the nerves and gratifies the soul and makes me feel good.
9. Because it's On Sale.
10. Buy it now, before your husband retires and goes with you on all your shopping expeditions.

I enjoy sewing, but sometimes I over commit myself and never seem to get around to doing MY sewing!

I am feeling less sorry for myself now, because I am about to head off to the ballet with my daughter. I love the ballet. Her first time was to see Swan Lake when she was five. It was a very long ballet and she sat enchanted through the whole thing. We have gone at least once a year since then. This time it's the Australian Ballet, which is our favourite company. I am really looking forward to it. I can forget my woes for a while.

Take care,
Kathy xxxxx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on May 27, 2008, 07:57:55 AM
Thats wonderful, I love the ballet too, have fun!
xx Bedaa
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on May 27, 2008, 09:45:54 AM
oh I love the ballet too!!! Sounds wonderful!!

Kathy - sorry to hear youve been having such aches and pains, mind yourself!!!

Im back in work - eeek!!! I was actually shaking walking from the car to the office - weak at BOTH knees!!!! hahahahaha - but it was fine. Im getting up off my chair every 40 minutes or so for a little stroll about the office. So far so good - fingers crossed (crutches hidden in the car as a Just In Case).
xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 27, 2008, 10:22:56 AM
Hi Kathy,

Sorry to hear you've had another flare up. Hopefully it will pass soon.

Your OS will have the say on whether you wear a brace post-op. I was told I might have to, but my muscles are strong enough to not have to use one. My OS would prefer me to use crutches where I have to use my muscles.

Not long to go before your op. Before you know it the day will be here.

How is your father-in-law doing ?
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 27, 2008, 03:07:25 PM
Hi All,

Kirsty - Thanks for asking about my father in law - he's doing well. He is a diabetic and they put him on sliding scale insulin (doses based on blood sugar levels, done three times a day) in order to keep his sugar levels more stable to aid healing. He is managing that quite well. I don't know if I could inject myself  :P He is on a heap of medications, but is on the road to recovery. Once things have settled they will look at doing bypass surgery. That's down the track a bit though, as he has to finish a cardiac rehab type program first. Lucky you not having to wear a brace! I'm envious. I am sort of leaning towards not bothering to look at hinged braces, just in case the OS really wants me to have no brace to get the muscles working ASAP. I don't know what I dread more - the brace or having a weak unsupported leg!!

Tanya and Beda - The ballet was wonderful!!! The only disappointment was that my knees ached so bad that I had to take Tramadol, which made me drowsy and I found my vision blurring at times and my concentration wasn't the best. On top of that, it didn't really kill the ache and my knees bugged me a few times during the ballet. It was still a fantastic night. We had a good meal beforehand, so we really made a night of it. I dreamed up lots of different costumes while I watched!! I love getting ideas from the pros  ;D

Now I am off to try and sleep. I have had some ibuprofen, to see if it helps where the tramadol didn't, and I'll take some tramadol again if I still can't sleep. I am tired at least, which is a good start. I can't believe that standing around for a few hours (with regular breaks) has flared my knees up so bad. I have to keep pushing through it though, as I want to get my sewing done so I can clean the kids' bedrooms, tidy the kitchen cupboards, defrost the freezer, and generally set things up for the post-op period.

Sweet dreams everyone (well...daydreams maybe  ;D)

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Sore knee on May 27, 2008, 03:57:23 PM
Kathy hope the knees ease and you get a good nights sleep. Oh I LOVE ballet. My passion is dancing and used to dance a lot. In fact before my knee ops I danced twice a week and its like a drug you live off the buzz.

However those days are gone and I am so stiff now as proved by my PT this morning when I couldn't even lean my head on my shin stretching my hammies. I used to be able to lie my head on my shins but not now *sigh*

I so hope this op brings you all the relief you need and deserve. You are an amazing Mum and I so know the feeling of fitting in a acrd with 2 kids. We have tried musical chairs several times in the past 10 days trying to get me in a car.

You hang in there, sleep well
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 27, 2008, 11:49:43 PM
Hi Joanne,

My daughter can fold herself in half - I don't even think she gets a stretch in her hammies anymore when she does that!! She loves to perform and obviously gets a buzz from being on stage. I am happy just to watch. And make the costumes!

I got a good sleep, but not long enough. Morning came around all too soon!! I have to work tonight, so I'll try to fit a sleep in later today, or I won't be very functional at work. I am trying not to think of the busy time ahead. I don't have a free day now until Monday! Then I am back to work again Monday night, so it's not much time to spare.  :P

What have you found to be the best way to fit in the car? Do you fit in the front seat? I think this will be one of the biggest challenges after surgery, besides sleeping!!

My knees still ache, but I am not going to think about that.

I hope you all have a good day/night. Take care.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: minion on May 28, 2008, 12:59:00 AM
Hi Kathy,

I had my first TTT (patella realignment & lateral release) on my right knee in Nov 07. I wore the zimmer splint for 6 weeks, I was only allowed to remove it for PT and showering (sitting down). I even slept in it.  I found that I had to keep my leg elevated for at least the first month anyway, so I quickly got used to having it locked out straight all the time.

My left knee has deteriorated rapidly since I got the right done. Need to strengthen my right VMO before I can do it though.

Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Peg Leg on May 28, 2008, 02:48:01 AM
Hi Kathy,

Sorry to hear about your achy knees; if nothing else, it tells you that you REALLY should go thru with this surgery!  As you know, I am coming up on 6 weeks since my TTT and LR, and for the first 2 weeks I always rode in the back seat with my leg propped up.  As I felt better, I rode in the front with the seat back as far as it would go.  My brace has been locked the whole time. Now that my leg isn't as sore, it's not a big deal to get in and out of the car.  I get my x-rays tomorrow, and I am so hoping the news is good and I get to unlock the sucker!! ;D

Take It Easy!!  Peg Leg
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 28, 2008, 02:52:06 AM
Hi Kathy,

Glad to hear your father-in-law is on the improve. It must have been a real worry. Great that he's doing a cardiac rehab program. When he has his surgery he will be so much more prepared.

I think it's fantastic you've got some hobbies like sewing. I do silk painting and make cards. They have been my god send. Hopefully once I'm off crutches I'll get into more silk painting. I love it as it's so relaxing and just can absorb yourself in it.

Hopefully you won't need to use a brace post-op. I really thought I'd have to use one as my knee cap was soooo unstable before my op. It came out when they moved me onto the operating table. Just felt like screaming !! It feels so stable now it's amazing. I was a bit scared the first time I got on crutches after the op, but now I feel so much more confident.

The ballet you went to sounds fantastic. I'd love to go sometime. A girl I went to school with is in the Australian Ballet. Amazing what your daughter can do. I'm super flexible, but hasn't always been a good thing for me.

Hope you're knee is feeling a bit better.  :D
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 28, 2008, 03:34:58 AM
Well, I am having a pity party!! Today is a miserable day and I feel I am just going through the motions without being mentally engaged in anything. I suppose we all have these sorts of days. I certainly have my fair share. I am exhausted due to a restless night followed by a late night during my days off, so I haven't recovered from the nights I worked yet. I don't want to call in sick for work, as I have done it a bit lately and my leave vanishes quickly when I use nearly 10 hours of it for one night off. I know I'll feel better if I push myself to get things done and then have a sleep this evening before work, but every time I start something I end up staring into space or feeling like crying. I think the build up to surgery is getting to me too. My dermatitis on my hands has flared up as it does when I am stressed, and to top it all off I am pre-menstrual  :'( Grrrr!!!!!

Minion - I am worried my left knee will go the same way as the right and that I'll be doing this all over again before long. I really hope not. I am also hoping that I can ditch the brace ASAP. My OS has an aggressive protocol and may not even put me in a brace, though my PT says otherwise.

Peg - Good luck with your x-ray. How did you manage with others in the car if you were across the back seat? I don't know how I will fit in when my kids are in the car with us (or my neighbour's young ones when she takes me out).

Anyway, I had better go and do something or I'll hate myself for wallowing in self pity instead of getting things done. Then I will be able to sleep because I know I will have done what I needed to, and I won't lie awake stressing over things I should be doing.

Bye for now.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on May 28, 2008, 08:54:19 AM
Hi Kathy,
Im really glad to hear your father in law is on the mend - thats another worry lifted eh?

Glad you enjoyed the ballet, sorry youve been aching.

Now - about this pity party!! Its allowed!!! Youre always so active and continuing to work throughout the achiness, and being Super Mum - its natural that the pain is gonna get you sometimes. Of course youre stressed, who wouldnt be!!!! Its amazing the way the body sends its stress signals - dermatitis waving at you just to let you know youre definitely stressed - as if you needed the extra reminder eh?

How tall are you Kathy? Im pretty small, I could always fit in the passenger seat with it pushed right back if my leg had to be straight. With your OSs aggressive protocol you will have some bend fast anyway so you will be ok - worry about these things as they come up, it will work out.

Not long now eh? Time is passing so quickly. Im a week post op tomorrow. Still pretty sore - swelling mostly gone but the areas under the lower two incisions (where he took out scar tissue especially) are sore, but I can cross my good leg over my bad one again without it hurting so thats progress eh?
xx

Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 28, 2008, 10:27:02 AM
Hi Tanya,

Pity party is over, sort of. I did some Tanya-therapy and went online shopping!!!! Naughty naughty  ;) Not that I got anything for me, but it made me feel a bit better. Once I picked the kids up I made big inroads into my sewing and am about to have a snooze before work.

I am 5 foot 6 inches (168cm) tall. I tried fitting into my car with the seat all the way back and I can't do it with a completely extended knee. I don't know about hubby's car, but I don't recall it having much more room than mine, but it might, as it's a bigger car. It will be good if I am allowed some bend, but it would mean taking the splint on and off ever time I get in the car - that will wear thin pretty quickly!! Especially in the early days when I imagine it'll hurt to move without added support. It's one of the reasons I have been contemplating asking about a hinged brace.

Wow - has a week already gone past since your surgery?! Time sure flies! I only have eight more shifts to work before my surgery, and in exactly three more weeks I will be in hospital having had my surgery that day.

The dermatitis I get is a pain. It's a pustular type, and I get little painful blisters that come from the deep layers of the skin and eventually work to the surface where the skin then peels. It occurs on the tips of my fingers mostly, and sometimes on the ends of my toes too. When it occurs on the pads of my fingers, rather than around the sides closer to the nail, it can be really uncomfortable to touch and hold things. What's more is that there isn't anything that can readily treat it. The cream that does work costs the earth, so I don't bother. I don't get it really badly, and not very often, so I just put up with it. It's better than the mouth ulcers I sometimes get when I am stressed or have been on anti-inflammatories. Gee, I sound like a walking disaster!!!

Anyway, off to bed for me. Bye for now.

Kathy xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on May 28, 2008, 11:31:01 AM
Ah Kathy,
Ive created many a monster introducing them to the joys of online shopping - but you already knew about it!!!! hehehehehe - ive managed to cut back a little but Im still a disaster on amazon - and im rapidly running out of bookcase space!!!

I understand, Im only 5ft 2, so I fit pretty easy into cars with an extended leg. Can you fit along the back seat? It mite only be for a few days - so dont worry too much about it. Its not really how big the car itself is but how far back the seats go - my last car you could push the front seats back so far they practically touched the back seat. Try your hubbys car and see if its any better.

I get mouth ulcers and cold sores!!! I hate cold sores!!! But most of the time you can tell Im stressed cos i lose my appetite, have an upset stomach, and cant stop sleeping. My friends all say Im narcoleptic under stress. I also can 'hear' my blood pressure in my ears, like a buzzing - but thats only under intense extended pressure. So Im a walking disaster too!!! Stress is a right bugger - very difficult to control.
xxx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: minion on May 28, 2008, 11:41:15 AM
I should have mentioned that I've had issues with both knees for years, my right knee was only slightly worse than the left before surgery. So it's not like all the damage has been done recently.

I'm curious to see what your post op protocols will be. I'm sure you'll be much happier when this surgery is behind you  :)
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Sore knee on May 28, 2008, 03:11:37 PM
Aah Kathy honey, if you cant vent here where can you. Pity is allowed, I am of the opinion that it helps bleed out some of the frustration and emotions and that can only be good. You of all can never ever be accused of having a pity party....you never sit still long enough.

I so hope this op will help you. Time is flying by so fast, I am 12 days post op and cant believe it.

We are all here for you  :-*
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 29, 2008, 12:33:40 AM
Hey Guys!

Tanya - I can fit along the back seat, but then where do the kids go? I would end up with my leg in a lap or two! And my neighbour won't be able to fit me in her back seat (she's my day time transport) because she has two younger ones still in car seats - and I am NOT going to put my leg in their laps!! I have fairly long legs, so front seats are generally going to be not an option if I have to wear the brace in the car. I had a laugh about you on Amazon! I think my bookcase will be getting a bit fuller too! Books is what I went for - a ballet story series for my daughter. I love getting parcels in the mail, and now I have two to look forward to!! ;D

Minion - I will most assuredly be happier once this is over with!! Provided it all goes okay. Even if it doesn't work I'll still be glad to have it behind me.

Joanne - I think you'd be surprised at how much time I actually spend sitting with my feet up. I certainly have my busy moments, but often they're self inflicted because I have spent too much time resting and then I have to do things in a rush! I need to get better at pacing myself and not procrastinating. This time around I am just plain busy and I couldn't have started anything earlier to avoid the rush.

Anyway, I chucked the kids out of the car in the drop off zone instead of going into school with them today, so I'd better make use of the extra sleep time and use it to sleep.

Nightie-night!

Kathy 8)
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: KW on May 29, 2008, 12:45:26 AM
Kathy,

No need to worry....I am 5'7" with very long legs.  I am able to sit in the front seat of a car (not a very big car) with my leg only bent to 20* flexion.  Since you will most likely be able to take the immob off from the begining (from what i understand your OS has a aggressive protocol) you will be fine.  Just put a small pillow on the floor of the car to make it more comfy.  The immob will go on and off very quickly...it is only 4 pieces of velcro..and believe me you are going to want OUT of whichever brace ASAP b/c they are the most uncomfy things in the world.  You are going to be greatful to not be in one very long (if at all).

Karen
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Peg Leg on May 29, 2008, 12:50:42 AM
Kathy,

 Glad to hear you sounding a bit better!  The mood swings and weepiness are perfectly normal before surgery.  I felt the same way from time to time before my surgeries.  It's the stress of it all and worrying about things that will turn out to not be such a big problem later. Everything will work out, take a deep breath.
 Be sure and get some good books for yourself while you are shopping!  I have read so many books in 6 weeks, I can't even remember them all!!  Hope your sleep was good.  Take good care of yourself!

Peg
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Robin M. on May 29, 2008, 01:02:33 AM
Hi Kathy,

There's nothing like shopping to lift the most dismal mood. I did a bit of that the other day, ordering from a catalog. It's normal to be stressed before surgery. With my surgeries I was always stressed but on the day of surgery very calm. Hopefully this will be the case with you. I think the stress keeps us moving to get the things accomplished that we need to do before surgery. Hope you get your transportation issues sorted out. Take care!

Robin
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 29, 2008, 05:41:29 AM
Hi Everyone,

Boy I am really hating these mood swings. My emotions are up and down all over the place this week. I don't think my flare up has helped, as it's so hard to get motivated when my knees hate me! I am dreading this weekend away (for campcraft training) where I was looking forward to it before. I am not sleeping well either, which certainly doesn't help.

Robin - I hope I am calm on the day of surgery. I get so nervous usually! How are you going? It's so good to hear from you again.

Peg - I must remember to get some books. I love reading and I think I'll be doing a lot of it before long  ;)

Karen - I know, I know, everybody tends to manage and it probably won't be a problem, but I just can't help worrying about the stupid little things, such as what if I have to leave the splint on and can't take it off to sit in the car?! It'll create all sorts of problems with the transport I have arranged. I hate the silly splint already!!!!

My crappy mood is back and I just don't know what to do with myself. Grrrr!!! Do ya think anyone would miss me if I went and hid under a rock for a couple of weeks?!! It's tempting!! I think I just have to get through the next few days and life will be a bit calmer.....well....sort of. I think I'll go and have a shower and try to shake myself out of this mood. Bye.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on May 29, 2008, 07:12:55 AM
Hej kathy - sorry your feeling so down and out. I guess if I had a date for my surgery I too would be getting apprehensive, but as my surgery doesnt seem to be real as yet, I'm living in happy bliss, apart from the discomfort of my leg and now my arm, which is hurting like hell. i definitly do recommend books for your recovery period. I read a LOT when I can, but sometimes the pain drives me to distraction and I cant settle down to read, But if you choose to go to the library and borrow books, then at least youve got  a time frame within which to read them in, so that helps as well!! I am an incurable book buyer. Here when I moved I had a radical throw out to the flea market, but I still have 3 book units full of my favourite books I just couldnt part with. I also have a lot of reference books, and quite a few art books which I treasure, but  art books have the tendency to be big books, so I need big book shelves!!
I do hope for you your crappy mood goes over. I think you are such a fantastic person with so much energy and a fantastic mom, I dont think that anyone would blame you if you get a bit flossed around the edges, you are after all, living under great strains. it is a great strain to try to live a full normal life and look  after 2 kids WITH a bad knee that hurts like hell. No, I dont think you should go hide under a rock, you'll be missed too much, but I do appreciate the sentiment!!! Most of all kathy, look after yourself, and allow yourself to go put your feet up when your tired, youve got every reason to be tired and to DO SO!!!!
Love Beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 30, 2008, 09:26:30 AM
Hello, hello,

How is everyone? I am feeling better today. I have managed to get a few things out of the way and my mood has picked up as well. Amazing what defrosting a freezer can do to improve the mood of the day  ;D I still have some packing to do for the weekend, but the worst is done. I have an early start tomorrow, which I am not looking forward to, but the company over the weekend should be good. I hope my knees don't give me too much grief, but I'll be taking a crutch and pain killers just to be safe.

I hope you all have a great weekend.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on May 30, 2008, 09:37:05 AM
Hi Kathy,
Im so glad youre feeling better.
I feel fine myself - soreness in the old knee but I guess you dont walk out of even minor surgery without some healing to do eh? You relaxed my mind about that when you told me that it takes a few weeks to get over it all. Funny enough it eases from movement, so perhaps some of it is stiffness too.

Not long to go for you eh? I hope Ill be able to ease your mind also cos Ive had the TTT - so long ago but I still remember it!!!

I was thinking after you have your surgery that we should go on another virtual holiday? What do you reckon? A bit of sun and pool would help the healing process I imagine!!! Not to mention the cute waiters!!!
xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on May 30, 2008, 02:44:55 PM
Hi Tanya,

Surprisingly it took more than a few weeks to totally get over my last surgery. I still had the odd pain and just a sensation that all was not quite normal (well, normal for me) in my knees for quite some time. It was only after my three month appointment that I really looked at my knees and thought "hey, I have finally recovered from the surgery". The pains I get now are different in nature to the "surgery pains". It's hard to explain, but I am sure you will have a similar thing happen and you'll look back and realise you have finally recovered. You are still VERY early post-op, so expect some odd feelings for a while yet. They are not always pains, just weird.

I wonder if the clunking you are having is due to the missing bit of meniscus. It could be that as you move, something in the knee sort of "bumps" over the edge of where the meniscus tore and you feel it. It could also be from some of the minor wear you have. Gaining strength should improve it some, as the muscles will then add more stability to the joint and less load would be transferred through the damaged areas (as the muscle takes some of the load).

Another holiday sounds fun! Relaxing in the sun, surrounded by gorgeous waiters and, most importantly, someone to do my PT for me!!!!  ;) I will never, ever be able to think of SLRs in relation to cameras again - it will always remind me of unrelenting torture instead!!

Well, if I am to get up with the birds tomorrow I had better get some sleep. I was so tired earlier that I put my tops on completely inside out - I had taken my jumper and T-shirt off together and when I put them on I did it as they were, with both inside out and the t-shirt on the outside!! Groovy!!!  8) Just one more thing to add to the repertoire of KG clothes  ;) I look forward to admiring myself next time I go past a shop window  ;D

Kathy  8)
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on June 01, 2008, 12:36:23 PM
Hi Guys,

I'm back from my camping weekend, exhausted and sore, but content. The training courses we do are so good for networking, and for getting many new ideas. The actual training seems to be just a small part of what happens. Anyway, I used my crutch because we did a fair bit of walking over uneven, hilly ground. It has still taken it's toll, but I think I'll feel it more tomorrow, as it tends to take a day or so to catch up with me. Tonight is the swelling/stiff stage of things. Tomorrow I will get more bone deep aching.

Anyway, there isn't much to report on the knee front that isn't old news. I got through the weekend. I did too much. I'll pay the price. Same old, same old. I am looking forward to being on the other side of this surgery! I just hope it helps.

Well, after being up at 6am for two mornings in a row, I am ready for an early night, so I'll say goodnight here. Goodnight  :D

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: arkitect06 on June 01, 2008, 01:27:54 PM
Hey Kathy!  I hope the pain isn't too bad for you tomorrow.  I can't believe how much you get to do!  I hope you are more careful after your surgery :)  You can't push yourself too much b/c it is a long slow recovery.  Sleep well tonight!

Farrah
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on June 01, 2008, 04:38:48 PM
Hi Kathy,
youre like superwoman!!! you really are!! I cant believe you do so much either.

You know I just wanted to tell you that your posts have given me a lot of comfort in the past couple of weeks, you have been very open with me about things would feel after the scope and it has stopped me from worrying to know that my aches and pains are normal, and that my rate of recovery is fine etc... It really helps to hear it from someone who knows what its like, you know? Dont get me wrong - I havent had a hard time of it, but the odd twinge I have had, Ive known not to worry. So thank you for that - youve been a really big help.

I hope after your TTT I can also help you in the same way because Ive been there too- and remember, I got 20 years out of my TTT and during those years I was able to dance, cycle, even wind surf at one point - so there is always hope!!!! And according to my OS, my alignment is still fine now - it was only that pesky meniscus in the way!!! So it will be good for you to come out the other side and know that there are people on here who can empathise with the various aspects of recovery too!!
xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on June 01, 2008, 11:49:58 PM
Good morning!

Well, my knees are aching as I predicted they would. At least they aren't any worse than they usually get. I don't feel I am like superwoman!! I am just going through a busy stage in my life. Things will settle down again and then get busy again, in a cyclic fashion. I plan to enjoy the chance to rest and not do much after my surgery. Things should stay calmer until September/October when the dance costumes start again. I have already started to tell people that I am not picking up any new "customers" this year, and will only sew for my regulars. Also, once I have done the first aid course in two weeks time, I won't have much to do in the way of compulsory scout leader training. I can just get down to the business of having fun with the kids.

Tanya - I'm glad I could be of some help. You've been a great support for me since I joined KG and I'm happy to be able to return the favour. I remember being worried about all the weird pains after my scope, but they've all gone away now and I can't believe I worried so much. I am pleased that there are so many people out there who have had TTTs and can give great advice. I think we all get worried when things don't feel right and it's always good to have someone to say "that happened to me too, and it turned out fine".

Anyway, it's time for school. Have a good sleep, for those at the other end of the day.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: arkitect06 on June 02, 2008, 12:53:21 AM
Hi Kathy!  I was wondering something...in the USA, the kids have school from around August-May and then have the summer months off (June-July).  How does it work where you live??  So all of our kids here are out of school for the summer and enjoying playing with their friends and going places.  Your summer months have already passed, right? 

How old are your children?  I wish I knew how to sew!  I am 5'1 and have trouble finding pants that are the right length.  So I have 4 new pairs of pants that have been sitting in my closet waiting to be hemmed to fit me :) 

Well I hope you have a good Monday!!  Today is still Sunday evening for me!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on June 02, 2008, 02:43:16 AM
Hi Farrah,

Our kids have school holidays over summer too - 6 weeks from mid-December until the end of January. That is the break that ends our school year. In January they all go to the next grade and new classes. We have four terms of about ten weeks each, with 2 weeks breaks in between (apart from the 6 week break over Christmas). My surgery is a couple of weeks before one of these two week breaks.

I have a son who turns 11 in a couple of weeks, and a daughter who will turn 10 at the end of August. I am blessed that they get along with each other fairly well and don't argue excessively. They are both blonde like my husband, though I think my daughter's hair will darken over the years and end up a sandy blonde or a light brown.

Knowing how to sew is good, but hemming pants is a pain!! Getting the right length without a long mirror or someone to help can be difficult.

Today I am doing some more sewing stuff - cutting out material ready to sew. More standing around at the table for ages (ouch). I am nearly finished thankfully, so then I can move to my machine and sit down to start sewing. I am ahead of where I thought I would be, so I am happy  ;D I hope it continues that way - then I can spend next week doing MY stuff (tidying the house etc and generally getting things ready for after my surgery). Well, I have had a cuppa, so back to the cutting....

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on June 02, 2008, 03:10:56 AM
Kathy - At last I can post you in your day! Its 4am here in the night, and I cant sleep because of pain. I went to bed last night with 2 ice packs and the fan going (its HOT over here) and the cat woke me just now meeowing for food, and the pain made me stay awake. its too early to take my Oxycontin,  because there has to go 12 hours between dosages, and there hasnt gone that yet. i dare not take them before. I get SO sick if I take too much. I can take an Oxynorm now, and I think I will. Thats the same but is not time release and is in smalller dosages.
Wow, your program is pretty impressive! You sure dont let the flies settle on you!! I think that you really must be what Tanya describes as a superwoman - I think its wonderful you are so engaged in your childrens scout movemnet, and then all of that with the costumes. it must really use your fantasy. I bet your quite aristic when it comes down to it arnt you? You like to photgraph, thats at least one artistic trait, and sewing, thats another. How about cooking??
Well, I'm sure you have plenty to do to keep you occupied, so I'lle let you get on with it. Dont you do too much on that knee, it deserves a rest after this weekend.
Love Beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on June 02, 2008, 04:40:05 AM
Hi Beda,

Funnily enough I don't like cooking!! I sometimes like to bake, but cooking isn't really my thing. The easier, the better, is my motto when it comes to mealtimes, though I try to ensure the kids get a well balanced diet. The kids get experience with cooking in Scouts, so I hope they can contribute to our meals before they get much older! Being able to cook is a skill I think everybody should learn.

I'm sorry you can't sleep. It makes life so much harder to cope with when you are sleep deprived. I understand about the nausea from the pain killers. I get the same with my Tramadol. I have to leave a long time between doses or I feel very queasy. I hope the oxynorm helps and you get a bit more sleep. My cat meows at the door when she's hungry or thirsty too. Usually she sleeps most of the night though, as she's getting old. When she was younger she'd bring me mice in the middle of the night!! She'd let the live mouse loose in my room and look at me as if she couldn't understand why I wasn't chasing it, then she'd chase it and bring it back and start again. As if she was teaching me to catch mice! Gross!! The worst was the time when a mouse escaped and died under my bed  :P What a smell that made!!

Well, my tummy is growling in hunger, so I'd better go and have lunch. Bye for now.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on June 02, 2008, 09:51:20 AM
Hi Kathy. Now I have taken my oxycontin and am awaiting its effect soon. I am very pain-plagued today, unfortunatly. Lucky I dont have to do anything special today. I need to go to the pharmacy and pick up some meds, someones coming to pick me up to take me there.
Boris likes to catch mice and birds. He eats the mice all up except fot the tail, which he leaves for me to dispose of. He eats birds in their entirity, all the feathers, the legs, everything. I have put a collar on him with a bell on so that it spoils his chances for catching them because the bell rings every time he moves and scares them off. This is becasue he has had worms from eating mice and birds, and i dont want that in the house. Pusswuss is the same, but when he gets his food served at home, he doesnt catch so many birds and mice. he too has had worms, its pretty disgusting, but i suppose all a part of nature. Luckyly we can get wormers quite easily, but you need a prescription for wormers over here in DK because if you worm your cat too often the worms get resistent over for the medicine and when they really do need it, the meds dont kill the worms if they get it too often. Personally, I would prefer it if wormers could be bought over the counter, then you could alternate with brands and not give the same all the time to avoid resistence, then you could worm them reguarly. Now the vet says you shuldnt give a wormer until you acually see worms, and that i think is a shame for them.
well, to the day - the pipes in the bathroom STILL need painting, so when its dry out there I'll go do that, i can sit down doing that. I need a cuppa now and some toast, so hope you have a good day, you must be coming to evening by now!
Love Beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Sore knee on June 02, 2008, 10:41:02 AM
Hi Kathy

I hope the pain has eased. You put me to shame at how much you do, you amaze me. I do hope you get time to rest after your op. Super Mum you are indeed !!!!

I hope everyone else is doing ok too. I have been quiet over the weekend but I have been thinking of you all. Hope today is an easie rknee day Kathy  :-*
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on June 03, 2008, 11:20:11 AM
Hi Guys,

Well, the end is in sight!! I have a couple of mad days of sewing to go and then I'll be FINISHED!!!!! My neighbour's walls are all painted (I did the last bit today), and I have a small stash of non-perishable items piling up in the house to help after surgery. Considering in two weeks time I will be showering with my medicated wash ready for surgery the next day, I am glad things are winding up and I can turn my full attention to surgery preparations.

Beda - We can buy worming medication for pets at the supermarket. Our dog gets an all-in-one flea, heartworm, and GI worm treatment once a month. The cat gets nothing, as she has no sign of worms. Considering our dog is a Labrador and eats anything and everything, I think worming regularly is good for him. My cat knew exactly what the bell on her collar was for, and kept losing her collar (on purpose!). Once I took the bell off, she kept the collar on!!! She roamed a lot as a younger cat, so I really wanted her to have a collar on with our phone number on it. Mostly she caught mice rather than birds anyway.

Well, it's time for work soon, so I'd better shower and get ready. Have a good day everyone.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on June 03, 2008, 12:39:11 PM
Aahh!!Clever cat!! I've just had my two cats outside for the first time in this new place.Boris was bold and wondered right off out of sight, but Pusswuss just stayed around the house. They both came in again on their own after about an hour, so it all went fine. I had gone round and spread used litter from their dirt tray around the car park and on the lawn so that the could smell themselves if they lost their bearings. it worked just fine. Now their in and I'll let them stay in until tomorrow, where they can take another investigation around the neighbourhood. Thats so good about the wormers. I wish it were like that over here. Its an expensive deal geting wormers, because you have to go through a vet and he takes a prescription charge, + the charge of the wormer. Its a rough deal. We used to be able to buy wormers over the counter but cant any more. Good about your labby, mom had labbys years ago. I remember them for constantly getting in the water, eating everything and a lot of it. The more smelly it is to roll in the better they like it, otherwise they're great dogs!
Asides from waiting outside for the cats, I lay on the sunbed. I couldnt get up again from down there!! My leg just didnt have the strength in it to push me up, should never have gotten down there in the first place. I'll stick to a garden chair from now on! Theres a lot of stuff I wont be able to do when I have a stiff leg, and getting down low is one of them. Getting onto the floor is out,as is nearly already now. I wont be able to sit without my leg being supported up onto something, but I'll find ways to stuff I'm sure.
Hope the rest of your day goes well kathy, its soon time to countdown for your op!!
catch ya later Love Beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Sore knee on June 03, 2008, 07:19:59 PM
Hey Kathy

I think you will recover faster than anything as you are so able and on the go. You have the detemination and will power, I think you are amazing !

Beda I sympathise with the stiff leg thing. I cant get down low at all right now without trying to do some old ballet moves haveing my bad leg straight and trying to support my weight. Ahh the joys of knees ;)
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on June 04, 2008, 11:52:05 PM
Hi Everybody,

Well, another blah day today. I woke up feeling out of sorts, my legs feel tense, my back aches a bit and I feel lethargic and flat. I should pick up later - a friend and I are going to the movies and I am looking forward to going, though at the moment I could just curl back up in bed and stay there!! I still have plenty of sewing to keep me busy, though I am over the worst of it. Yesterday I had the sharp pain behind my right knee come back again. It puts in an appearance every now and again. It's probably why I have a back ache today, as I limped a lot yesterday as the pain is sharp and stabbing when I extend. In two more weeks I will be in hospital getting ready for discharge (I hope!). I am too busy to be nervous for the most part, but every now and then I think about what will be happening and I get a rush of nerves and a sick feeling  :P I hope you are having a good day - sleep well, for those about to go to bed.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Peg Leg on June 05, 2008, 01:16:10 AM
Kathy, I hope your day got better; so sorry you're hurting, too.  Hope the movie was good.  What did you see?  It sounds like you are getting things in order so you will be able to focus on yourself and healing after the surgery; that's good because you deserve some down time!!  Take care of yourself and good luck with the sewing!

Your Bud, Peg  :D
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on June 05, 2008, 08:42:29 AM
Dear kathy - I hope that your sharp pain in your leg goes over, i KNOW how these things can get to you, ja, I felt like turning over in bed this morning nad not getting up as well. I have had  an increase in my oxycontin dosage, and its making me feel really wierd, and sleepy. I feel 'numb' as if I am anæsthetized by one big shot of local anæsthetic, and I dont feel as if I'm of this world. i dont feel sick, because I have anti-nausea pills, (oxycontin CAN make me feel sick) but I really do feel out of sorts. have just taken morning dosage for ½ hour ago, it will begin to kick in soon. Could hardly get going out of bed this morning, Had to get up to water the pots and plants before the sun comes round. Its really turned summer by us, weve had several days of continuous beautiful cloudfree days with high sunshine. The cats are doing fine, they've discovered how to come home again afer being out, so thats in place now, Good we can have a few windows open again now!!!
I know your days nearly done now, so have a good night! Sleep tight!
Love Beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on June 05, 2008, 11:15:05 AM
Hi All,

We saw the latest Indiana Jones movie. It was a Mum's and Bub's session, where they charge less and under 5s are free. My neighbour has two boys under five who came with us. They leave the lights on dim, rather than out completely, so the kids can play and mums can feed babies. Very family friendly and a good time was had by all.

My knees are bothering me a bit today, but not distractingly so. The sharp pain has gone. The worst thing about today is that my cat has taken a turn for the worst. She can no longer close her left eye and I have had to look twice a few times to make sure she is still with us. Her mouth looks droopy slightly too, on one side, so I think she may have had a stroke, probably due to the tumour on the side of her head. She is eating hardly anything and has lost a lot of weight very recently. I think it may be kindest to take her to the vet very soon. She no longer seems to be getting any fun out of life and I haven't heard her purr today like she usually does. She has really gone downhill quickly in the last 24 hours. Part of me hopes she dies in her sleep very soon, as a trip to the vet will be very traumatic for her and I hate to think of her last few minutes being spent in distress. I really think that if she survives the night she will have to be taken to the vet tomorrow though, as I can't stand to see her like she is. It's not a good way to live. Losing her is going to leave a gaping hole in my life, but she has left some wonderful memories and I am blessed to have had her for 18 years.
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on June 05, 2008, 11:31:22 AM
Hi Kathy,
Im sorry to hear about your cat.
I know exactly what you mean about not wanting to take her to the vet for her last few minutes.
If she is not in any obvious pain and you know that this is close to the end the best you can do is keep her comfy and warm on a blanket and offer her food/water if she wants it, other than that its just a waiting game. If you take her to the vet it will be faster but perhaps more traumatic for her?
Id hold off 24 hours anyway, and just keep her warm. If its her time its her time and her body might decide its time to move on naturally. So long as she is not in obvious distress or pain you are not being cruel keeping her at home.
Poor thing - but didnt she have a great life with you guys!
xx

Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on June 05, 2008, 02:41:49 PM
Kathy, I agree with you about your decison about the cat - just keep her warm and comfy and let nature take its course - unless shes in obvious pain and distress that makes it cruel to let her suffer. I think she will just slide away in her sleep. My dog went that way, but she unfortunatly had grand mal seisures to the last so had to be put down b/c they wouldnt stop, but i would have just left her to sleep in naturally hey, thats what we d with each other isnt it? I know it will be VERY hard to say goodbye, it always is when a beloved pet goes, but life goes on, and we know we only 'borrow' pets, dont we?? Love her to the last, thats all she asks.
Love Beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Robin M. on June 06, 2008, 03:13:35 AM
Hi Kathy,

I'm sorry to hear about your cat. She's lived a long,happy life. We lost both of our cats at 17 and 18 yrs. old. It's almost 2yrs. ago that they passed on and I miss them very much. I'm thinking of you. Take care.

Robin
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on June 06, 2008, 09:17:25 AM
kathy, i was thinking, if the problem is still iminent, cant you get the vet to make a house call?? Some do you know, tempt the with a cash bonus! its wrth it to save the poor cat from the distress of going to the vet, I know how my cats HATE going to the vet. I do hope that nature has taken care of her for you by now. My thoughts are with you....
Love Beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on June 06, 2008, 03:18:48 PM
Hi Guys,

Thanks for your thoughts. My darling cat is still hanging in there. She's a stubborn thing. She has spent the day sleeping on our bed and has eaten a small amount. I think she will just get weaker as time goes by. She certainly hasn't moved much today. She managed a small purr for me this evening, and she looks comfortable enough, so I will just keep her warm and cosy for the time being. I think we have a mobile vet if it comes to that though. At the moment she is being spoilt rotten, as hubby is away and can't shut the cat out of our room overnight, so she has been allowed to stay on the bed instead of being moved to one of the kids' beds for the night. She will be in seventh heaven!! I can hear the occasional squeaky purr from her, so I am sure she knows she's getting a treat.

I hope you all have a good weekend.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on June 06, 2008, 07:58:33 PM
Aw - thats good to hear.
When Charlie dog (who was my best friend doggie even though she wasnt mine) was going on her big journey she got a plate of sausages for breakfast that morning, for a couple of years her constitution had been very finicky and she would get an upset tummy with spicy stuff like sausages so she thought all her birthdays had come at once!! When she went off to go to sleep she didnt mind at all, she loved sleeping anyway - especially with a belly full of sausages!!

I hope your cat is doing ok, if its time to go on she will do so, she is probably hanging on in the enjoyment of being a spoilt kitty!!
xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on June 07, 2008, 03:29:47 PM
Howdy everybody,

Well, my kitty has defied the odds once again and seems to have pulled through this latest problem. She woke me up with her purring this morning, and she has been purring and smoochy all day. The sleep on my bed must have rejuvenated her! She is in a great mood. She ate more than she has been (which still wasn't much) and looks a bit brighter than she has lately. She is still on the downhill road, but I am happy to see her looking more comfortable and happier than she was yesterday and the day before. I don't want her to be suffering.

I am starting to panic about not getting things done before surgery now! I still have sewing to do - I had to stop for a bit today as using the sewing machine pedal was upsetting my right knee. There is so much I want to do and not much time anymore!! Part of me really couldn't care if some things get done, but part of me really wants to see the house tidier etc before surgery because I know it'll only get worse when I can't do much to keep it under control. Then again, maybe I'll be desparate for something to do after surgery and sorting through the kids' rooms will keep me busy, even if I have to sit on the floor to do it!

The kids and I had a movie night tonight, which they thought was great, as I let them choose the DVDs - hubby usually has to have an input when he takes them to the video store and they don't often get to choose something all on their own. We had an easy meal in front of the TV, with chocolate for dessert. Yum!! It was a nice night.

Anyway, it's well past my bedtime, so I'd better turn the lights out and get some sleep. Goodnight everyone. Enjoy your weekend.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Sore knee on June 09, 2008, 03:38:30 PM
Kathy, I am so pleased about your cat doing better, it must be a relief for you.
What DVDs did you watch ?

I hope you are doing ok and feeling as if you are on top of things now.  I am thinking of you. :-*
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on June 10, 2008, 11:10:47 AM
Hi Joanne,

We watched "Three Men and a Baby" and "Three Men and a Little Lady" - good for a laugh and right up the kids' alley. They were laughing hysterically over the saga of the dirty nappies and such. They both chose other movies to watch later, but they're the movies we watched together. I quite enjoy watching the movies that I grew up with. The kids just liked the fact that they got to pick, though I did make some suggestions to help them decide. Hubby usually has quite a large say in what they get, and he usually gets new releases, but I just take them to the "kids weekly" section and let them loose. Much cheaper and they find all sorts of things to watch.

I am almost at the end of my sewing and I feel like I have a bit of time to get things organised for after surgery. My son is turning 11 on the weekend, so we have lots of time taken up with celebrating, as my parents can't always make it on the same day (they're divorced), and my in-laws won't come to my family celebrations. This means we are going out for a meal on Saturday night with my side of the family, having Dad and his wife for tea on Thursday, as they are busy on Saturday night, and then we are going to my in-law's place on Sunday. I get a bit annoyed that my in-laws won't share the "family" celebrations. My Mum and Dad still both come to the same family functions most of the time, even though they're divorced, and it's annoying to have to find the time (and money) for a separate celebration for my in-laws.

I don't know how I'm going to get through the night at work tonight. I have had very little sleep. My daughter had an orthodontic appointment in the middle of the day, and I had trouble sleeping either side of it. I got to sleep okay, then woke up full of beans after only an hour and a half. How irritating!!! I think I'll be drinking LOTS of coffee tonight!!

Only one more week to go and then it'll be the night before surgery. How scary! I am now at the stage where I am not bothered about surgery preparations. If things get done, then great, but if they don't then I'll cope. I am just looking forward to being on the other side of this surgery. The main thing I really want to do is tidy my sewing room, as I'd like to sleep in there for the first little while, so I don't disturb hubby when I wake up lots. But we'll both manage if it doesn't get done.

Anyway, I think it's time for me to try for a bit more sleep. Goodnight everyone.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: JoniF on June 16, 2008, 06:59:38 PM
Hi Kathy,

I know your surgery is coming up in two days and I wanted to wish you the best of luck for a speedy recovery :).  Hope you're doing ok and not too stressed out.

Take care,
Joni
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on June 16, 2008, 09:40:48 PM
Hi Kathy. Hows it going? havent heard from you for a while, hope everything is going ok. Hope your not too stressed about the surgery. My Boris cat has just spent 2 days in the animal hospital. he got bladder stones and couldnt pee, so they had to put a catheter up and rinse him out. Poor baby. That catheter was SEWN in!! OUCHHHH. Hes on the mend now, so all is well, he just has to have penicillin for 10 days and pain killers. I hate it when hes sick, they cant tell you where it hurts, can they?!
Well, please do post, not long now to surgery.
Love beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on June 16, 2008, 11:19:30 PM
Hi All,

Thanks for thinking of me. We hit our download limit for the month and the internet was as slow as a wet weekend, so I haven't done much posting. I have also been busy, doing a first aid course and celebrating my son's birthday.

Joni - how's things with you? I am sort of beyond stressed at the moment. I have moments of panic when I think of the things I wanted to do but haven't, but then I think about how little some things really matter and I feel better. I am just eager to be on the other side of the surgery now.

Beda - poor Boris. Sounds like painful treatment. My kitty is still going. She has perked up quite a bit and has been venturing outside for a bit of sun for a few minutes here and there. She is fairly scrawny though, and has many signs that all is not well, but she is a determined kitty!

In 24 hours I will be starting my "surgery day". The kids will be eating breakfast and I will be using my antiseptic wash in the shower. Then it will be time to drop the kids off at school and leave for the hospital. I hope I don't have to wait as long as last time, as my stomach was a wreck, between nerves and fasting!! I hope I sleep okay tonight, or it will drag oh so slowly!! Bye for now. I will try to post again before I go in, then I'll have to start a post-op diary I suppose. Take care.

Kathy
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Beda on June 17, 2008, 12:30:31 AM
Kathy - hang in there - I hope and pray for you that its all going to go just fine, and that your going to be running around again real soon. How long do you have to stay in the hospital??I'm keeping fingers and toes crossed for you, and sending good vibes down to Australia, Have a really good day, and finally good op
Love beda xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Robin M. on June 17, 2008, 12:59:42 AM
Hi Kathy,

I'm thinking of you and hope all goes well with your surgery.

Hugs,
Robin
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Peg Leg on June 17, 2008, 01:11:15 AM
Kathy,

I am thinking of you and hoping things go well!  Try not to be too afraid, it will be fine!!  Let us hear from you when you are able!  Best of luck!
Peg
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: WorkinWings on June 17, 2008, 05:17:08 AM
Kathy!! 

I found your pre-op diary again!!  Just in time to wish all the luck with the surgery tomorrow!

I'll be thinking of you.



I hope you're getting a good night's rest!
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on June 17, 2008, 08:58:39 AM
HI Kathy,
well tomorrow is the big day, will be thinking of you and sending those good vibes, hope it all goes well, we will all be here to cheer you on in your rehab, heres to a better knee!!!! Yaaaaa!!!
xx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Sore knee on June 17, 2008, 09:44:33 AM
Kathy

Hope you feel as relaxed as possible. Know that you will be in my thoughts and thousands of well wishes are coming your way.

((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


Hope tomorrow is the start of the end of knee problems. We are sending you a Tanya flag so you can have as great an outcome as her after all your rehab.

Good Luck
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on June 17, 2008, 01:56:02 PM
Hi Guys,

Thanks so much for all the good wishes. You don't know how much it means to me. I have just had my first shower, washing with the surgical scrub, and I get to do it again in the morning. I am just about to have my last food until after surgery. I had a phone call to say they want me in half hour earlier, so I will be pushed for time after dropping the kids off at school. We will only just have enough time to get me there, so I guess once morning is here time will then fly!! I still can't believe it's only one night in hospital. I am grateful though, as I never sleep well in hospitals. I just worry about pain control a bit. With the weekend coming up, I hope I have enough prescriptions to last me through the weekend, as my GP doesn't consult on weekends. I do have a stash of pain meds, which I hope will be suitable.

Today has been a good day in that I have rushed all day. I worked last night and then slept until lunch, then a friend came over so I could help her sew, then my daughter had an orthodontic appointment (the poor dentist had to have the patience of a saint to deal with my daughter!!), the neighbours came for a play, my son baked cupcakes for his birthday celebration at school, and I did a bit of sewing (my last for a while  :'( ) then I had to console my daughter because her mouth hurt. I also did some washing and a bit of tidying, and sorted out what I need to take to hospital (not much really). Now it's all caught up with me and I am ready to crash. I don't think I'll have a sleepless night tonight!!

I will try to post as soon as I get home on Thursday, but forgive me if I don't, or if I do and it's garbled  ;D I just have to decide whether to keep posting here, or start a post-op diary. Probably a post-op diary, so those who are looking for one to help them can actually find it. Probably a good time for a fresh start anyway.

I hope to be chatting with you all again soon!! Thanks so much for taking the trouble to remember when my surgery was, and for thinking of me and wishing me well. You are all a great bunch of people and I'd love to give you all a big hug in person, but a cyber one will have to do (((((((HUGS))))))))  ;D

Lots of love to you all  :D

Kathy

PS. See you on the other side......
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: tanyap on June 17, 2008, 02:15:53 PM
See you on the other side kathy!!!!
It will all be fine - no need to worry, you take your time and log on whenever you feel able, the anasthetic can make you groggy and werid for a day or so, just rest rest rest and drugs drugs drugs for any pain.

Will be thinking about you - LOTS of good vibes going your way!!
xxx
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: chaos on June 17, 2008, 04:11:26 PM
best of luck girl!!  hope all goes well and this fixes your problems and you have many m any pain free days.  post asap cuz we will worry about you.  we love you and need you here with us. sorry i haven't been posting.  i have been a lurker the past few weeks.  i was keeping an eye on you.  i didn't abandon you.  hope you know that.

you will do great!!!!

Allison
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: WorkinWings on June 17, 2008, 10:08:15 PM
Kathy, dear!

Here I am, waiting for you to come out the other side
so I can hook you up with some chem-relief!!
  ;D
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Sore knee on June 18, 2008, 08:50:02 AM
You will be grand :)

Good luck and we are all here waiting to help you through the rehab  :-*
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: arkitect06 on June 18, 2008, 01:20:02 PM
Good luck with surgery!!
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: JoniF on June 18, 2008, 02:40:06 PM
Hi Kathy,

Hope you're surgery goes great and you find at least some relief from your knee issues.  See you on the other side.

Take care and feel better,
Joni
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: Sore knee on June 18, 2008, 04:49:49 PM
wondering with the time difference if you are through surgery now or in it.

Either way you are in my thoughts and I'm wishing you well :-*
Title: Re: Kathy's Pre-op Diary
Post by: kathat on June 19, 2008, 02:19:31 AM
IT'S ALL DONE!!!!! I am off to go and start a post-op diary, so I will see you all there  ;D

Kathy

Thanks so much for all the well wishes. They have been much appreciated!!