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DIARIES => Post op diaries (>300 posts) => Topic started by: arkitect06 on January 11, 2008, 09:47:16 PM

Title: Farrah's Right Fulkerson TTT 1/8/08, now RSD/CRPS...Left Fulkerson 11/16/10
Post by: arkitect06 on January 11, 2008, 09:47:16 PM
My history...I have had ongoing knee problems for over 6 years now. I had an arthroscopic surgery for chondromalacia about 6 years ago with no success. I have been going to 3 different doctors off and on for the entire 6 years while doing therapy off and on as well. I have done probably 2 total years of therapy with absolutely no help. So finally after seeing this one doc for 1.5 years, he transferred me back over to the OS doc. So now the OS doc has finally agreed that I have problems :) I have patellar subluxation in both knees. Since the “quick” fix 6 years ago didn’t help, I was then scheduled for Jan 8,2008 Fulkerson Osteotomy. At that time, they were going to be doing a biopsy on my cartilage for a future potential autologous chrondrocyte implantation. My OS said that if the Fulkerson doesn’t help 100%, then there is a lot of cartilage damage and the implantation will be the next step. I am looking forward to healthy knees…that is for sure! 

So on Jan 8,  I arrived at the surgery center at 6:15am to meet the rep for my CPM machine, then later arrived for my 6:30am surgery check in.  By 7am, I already had my IV in and my vitals checked.  After that I had my nerve block in my right leg.  Because they gave me some "I don't care" medicine before the block, I don't remember much after that.  I remember being transferred from my bed to the operating table.  I then remembered being awaken in recovery.  During recovery, I realized that my left leg was numb too...it happens to 1 in 50 people....lucky me.  So I had to stay in recovery for 1.5 hrs longer so my left leg would have feeling in it.  Once I got home around 2pm, I felt pretty good until 5pm when the numbness in my right leg went away. I then was in lots of pain for the rest of the night despite the 2 percocet every 4hrs.  The pain got better as the days went on.  I had my first therapy apt yesterday morning where I did mostly electric stimulation muscle strengthening exercises and few stretches.  It wasn't too painful.  I still can't raise my leg without any assistance!!  That is the most frustrating part!  So anyway, I am now 3 days PO and am feeling pretty good.  I have decreased my pain meds down to 1 every 4-6hrs now.  I have my first PO OS apt on Jan 18th where he will remove my stitches and let me know what he did and found during surgery.  He did mention after surgery that he probably won't have to do the ACI surgery b/c the cartilage damage wasn't all the way to the bone.  He said though, that he may have to do some other surgery that is way worse than the fulkerson b/c I have a very shallow trochlea groove.  I know what that means, but I don't understand how he can fix that.  Oh well....I will find out next week!  I feel like I am doing pretty well so far!!!  Today I have completed my CPM  machine for 4 hrs, done one round of therapy, and have been using the ice machine and electrotherapy off and on all day.  So I am feeling well considering all that I have done!!!  I am happy! :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 12, 2008, 03:51:42 AM
Okay, so I finally did some research about this flat trochlear groove that my doctor found during surgery.   Has anyone ever had a trochleaplasty before?  After already having an FO, would be too difficult to get back to normal?  I am not sure if I will be needing this, but doctor did mention it after surgery on Tuesday.  I will find out more next week.  Until then, I just want to do more research.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: brianne on January 12, 2008, 04:04:15 AM
A trocheoplasty is a very risky and difficult surgery with a relatively low success rate.  Most OS's will opt to try other procedures before considering this procedure.  I have a flat groove and my OS has said that he considers the procedure too risky for my knees.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 12, 2008, 02:01:44 PM
Have you had a Fulkerson Osteotomy?  Just curious...I have great trust in my doctor.  In fact when I first saw him years ago, he mentioned surgery, then changed his mind for about 1.5yrs.  My doctor is the head physician of the Falcons and Thrashers in atlanta.  I trust him completely that he wouldn't tell me something that wasn't worth it.  I probably will not have to have it, but I was just curious about it.  Do you know where I can find more info about it just in case??  I like to be prepared when my doc talks about stuff.  I want to already understand it, ya know? I see him next week.  Thanks!

So I am 4 days post op and doing well.   I just took 1 percocet at 9am my time after not having it since 7pm last night.  I actually slept through the night finally!  I am still doing well.  I am hoping to get out today and go watch some tennis.  I probably won't stay for very long though...I just can't wait to get out and see people!!  Have a good one!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: smkelly4kds on January 12, 2008, 05:35:49 PM
Good to hear you are doing well.  I willbe having my Fulk. on the 21.  My OS requires a 3 day hospital stay...yea!  Anyway good to hear you are doing well.  Make sure you don't over do it
when you get out.

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: brianne on January 12, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
Yes, I have had two Fulkersons and a revision to the right knee with a different version of the TTT.  I am having my left knee revised in March.  As far as a flat trochlear groove, this has been noted, but my OS said that it is a common problem and other procedures will be able to fix my stability.

I would focus on recovery from this surgery first.  Its a long recovery from a Fulkerson and so even if you were a good canidate for a trocheoplasty, you would not want to have it done for at least 6-12 months so you could let things heal from the Fulkerson.  It can be easy to go down the slippery slope of surgery and then you are too far in and there is no going back.  Everyone has abnormalities in their bodies than can create problems for them, its just a matter of is the risk of correcting the abnormality worth it.  So with that said, my advice is to allow the Fulkerson time to heal and see how well that goes.  You might find enough relief from that and not want to risk further surgery.

Good luck with your recovery
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 12, 2008, 11:56:19 PM
Thanks for your advice!  I am focusing on recovering on this first!!  I feel like I am kicking butt.  I still can't use my muscles very well, but I am working on it.  I am sticking to the CPM 6 hrs a day and my therapy exercises.  My pain is pretty tolerable.  I went out to watch some tennis today, and it was fun.  My leg wasn't elevated enough, so I couldn't stay for too long.  I am following instructions perfectly!  I hope I get better quickly and can get back to my normal mobility.  That is my goal, and I am striving for it big time!!!  In my last surgery I wasn't so focused, but I still followed directions.  I guess it just wasn't a big deal before.

smkelly4kds:  It sucks that you have to stay in the hospital for 3 days!!  Why is that?  Mine was just an outpatient procedure.  It was nice to be home in the same day!!!  I did have some embarassing moments at the surgery center first, but no big deal.  I am sure they are used to it.  I was pretty awake and alert right out of recovery.  I made phone calls and e-mails the entire evening of.  I was able to get around with my crutches and everything.  Anyway, good luck on yours!! I'd be anxious to see your progress once you have yours done.  Thanks for the posts!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 12, 2008, 11:57:10 PM
brianne:  What is a fulkerson revision?  What is the purpose?  Did it not work right the first time?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: brianne on January 13, 2008, 12:20:37 AM
There are many types of TTT's with the Fulkerson being just one of them.  The type of TTT depends on the problems in your knee.  After my first TTT's it was discovered that I have Patella Alta and that means my patellas were too high on my femur, so my TTT was revised.  It is not common to need a TTT revised.  This is part of the reason why I went to my new OS...who is the coolest ever! :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 13, 2008, 02:27:44 AM
Thanks for clearing that up :)

So today was PO day 4.  I am doing well!!  Not in too much pain!!  I changed my dressings today and was able to see the damage for the first time since Thursday.  The swelling has gone down, but the bruising is a lot worse.  I don't care as long as I am feeling okay and can get through my CPM machine and PT exercises without much problem.  I am trying not to take a percocet tonight.  I am contemplating breaking one in half if I do have any discomfort during the night.  I have confidence that I should be okay.  It's definately nice to be able to relax at home without being in too much pain!  It is like a mini vacation with a few exceptions!  I am thinking about going back to work next week after going to therapy on Monday evening.  I sit at a desk all day as an architect.  I just don't want to have to make up so much time when I get back.  That is the worst thing while you are going through recovery....have to work extra!  So we'll see how that goes.  Anyway, I will be back on tomorrow! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 13, 2008, 06:57:32 PM
So it is the afternoon of PO5.  I woke up with my usual pain and stiffness.  I did end up taking 1 full percocet before bed around 11:30pm my time last night.  I did sleep for the longest yet...9hours.  I woke up ready for ice!  Today is my last full day of having my cryotherapy machine!  SUCKs!!  I am addicted to it big time.  It feels so good!!!  I will just use ice packs every few hours now.  So this morning once I got out of bed, I took the dogs out then iced.  The dogs were good until my husband left for a few hours.  Then they started playing and jumping up and down off the couch where I was sitting.  They are small dogs, but it still kills to have one jump right up on your bad leg and start playing!!!  So I finally got up and put them in their cages then began my CPM machine for a few hours until my husband came home.  I am scheduled to be at 60 deg on it today, but when I began I had to put it down to 50!  I slowly worked my way back up to 60 and it wasn't too bad.  I need to make sure I keep up with it though so I don't have to go backwards!!!  My mother in law is over right now with chicken and mashed potatoes for lunch!!  That was really nice of her!!  So now I am sitting with my immobilizer on with my leg elevated.  I am still trying to get myself to take a shower instead of a bath(with my leg out).  I am just so worried that water will get my incisions wet no matter what I do!  Anyone have suggestions?  I have pretty good balance, so I know I can at least stand up on one leg.  I am just concerned about my incisions.  I hope everyone else is going well!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: smkelly4kds on January 13, 2008, 09:52:23 PM
Not sure why the OS requires the 3 days in the hospital.  It will probably be less.  I know I will start ROM the next day in the hospital. I am thinking they will let me go that afternoon or the next morning.  Although I hat ethe idea of being in the hospital and not at home I think in my case it might be good.  This way I can get a few days of peace (away from my 4 kids- don't get me wrong I love them to death) and can start the healing process without them hanging on mom!
    I have a week till my surgery.  I go to registar on Wed at the hospital.  Trying to do as much as possible to get my house and family ready.  Should prove to be an interesting few weeks and months!  hope you are mending well!
melissa :D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: chromolume7 on January 13, 2008, 10:41:51 PM
Farrah,

For the first week or so post op, I used plastic wrap to keep the incision dry if I wasn't planning on changing the dressing.  When I was changing the dressing, I left the incision open (rather, covered in the steri-strips) and let it get wet.  The steri-strips stayed on without a problem.  I tried to avoid getting soap in the area, then patted everything dry immediately post-shower.  That worked pretty well for me.

-Lauren
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 13, 2008, 10:55:31 PM
smkelly4kds:  Your doctor probably does have you stay in the hospital b/c of your family!!  I only have a husband and two little dogs to deal with.  That is manageable!  In the hospital, pain control is probably easier too!!  They probably will keep you on some better stuff than I have!!  Before my surgery, I also cleaned up a ton around the house.  I made sure all of my laundry was done so I wouldn't have to trouble my husband with it!!  One less thing to worry about.  Good luck with your surgery!

chromolume7:  Thanks for the advice on the plastic wrap.  I will try that.  I can't wait to take a shower.  I am sure my husband will help me!  I still have to keep my incisions covered and dry until I see my doctor on Friday.  So I will trust the plastic wrap!!  Thanks so much!

So I am towards the end of my PO5.  Today was an okay day.  I am trying really hard not to take my pain meds.  So I have been off and on pain all day.  It's just an achy kind of pain that is just annoying.  I can't get comfortable anywhere I sit.  The CPM machine is starting to drive me up the wall too!  I am tired of sitting there for 2 hrs so many times during the day!  There is never anything good on tv!  My good channels are in the living room.  I usually take a nap while doing it, but I didn't fall asleep today.  Probably b/c it hurt a little more than usual.  I am afraid of going up to 65deg tomorrow!! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 14, 2008, 12:46:54 AM
Okay...so one more post to get my mind off my pain.  It ended up being a more painful evening than I had hoped for.  I took a percocet hours before bed b/c I was tired of feeling it!!  I can't get comfortable and my ice didn't really help nor did my electrotherapy.  I am scared to death of PT tomorrow!!  We'll see how it goes. Sorry to sound so negative!!  This is just the most pain since PO1 or 2.  I thought I was home free with pain!!  Oh well!!  Talk tomorrow!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 14, 2008, 01:44:08 PM
Good morning!  This is morning of PO6 already.  It seems like I just had surgery yesterday...especially with the pain.  I was hoping my pain would have diminished from last night once I woke up this morning, but it so completely did not!  I couldn't sleep last night and on the pain scale, I woke up with probably an 8!   The pain is right where the bone was shifted.  So when I woke up, I took 2 percocet...after trying to get off of them!  So now I am feeling a little better, but I am afraid to move at all!  I don't want to overdo it and allow the pain to come back!  Has anyone else experienced this at PO6??  Thanks!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: sailchic on January 14, 2008, 02:39:29 PM
Sorry to hear that you're hurting so much.  I had a similar experience with my recent TTT revision.  The first few days hurt but not too bad, started to get better but then had a huge pain flare up around day 5-7.  I was really concerned that there could be something wrong with the screws.  Then literally I woke up on day 8 and was a whole new person.  Since then it's been sore and have had a few big ouch moments but the pain level has been nothing like it was.  Just keep going, it'll get better eventually.  If you're worried about the pain level you should give your OS a call.

Good luck!

Liz
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 14, 2008, 03:21:21 PM
Thanks so much for your response.  I am glad to know that it is I guess "normal" to experience this pain at this point.  I am just worried now that I will run out of percocet.  If I do run out and feel that I still need it before Fridays OS apt, then I will have to call.  I don't want to experience this pain!!!  I feel a little better now that the meds have kicked in.  I am still taking it as easy as possible.  This is probably the most relaxed I have been in a few days.  It feels good.  I will just make sure to stay on top of the meds.  Thanks again!! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 15, 2008, 01:18:50 AM
Okay, so it is the end of PO6!  It ended way better than it began!  My PT worked on my ROM and I got up to 75!!!!  It hurt my muscles more than my knee!!  He said I am doing really well and to just keep taking the pain meds as much as I feel I need to.  He said it is better to be pain free than to be suffering to be tough!!  I agreed!!  I was actually able to do a straight leg raise today with no assistance!!  I was so happy!!!!!!  My PT was about the same today as it was my first time last Thursday. So it was pretty simple...just a little painful.  He told me to keep working on my CPM machine as much as I can and if I have to I can decrease the angle if it is bothersome.  So I am thrilled with my progress and hope it continues like this!  The pain I have been going through is worth it once I make progress!!!  Anyway, I hope you guys are doing well!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 15, 2008, 02:06:56 PM
So it is the morning of PO7!  I can't believe it has already been a week!!  I was pretty uncomfortable last night...I imagine it was from PT.  He pushed my ROM pretty good.  That's the only thing I can think would make me sore.  So I wasn't able to really sleep last night.  I did take a percocet last night and still woke up every 2 hrs or so with much discomfort.  I am still the same this morning.  It isn't a real pain, just a lot of stiffness and aching.  It's kind of weird.  It's like my knee is begging me to use it.  So this morning I have hooked myself up to electrotherapy until I feel like using the CPM in a little while.  I am suppose to get to 70 degrees today! I think it could happen.  Since I had to give up my cryotherapy machine yesterday, I bought a new ice pack from PT last night that is sooooo awesome!  It fits just perfectly with a perfect weight to form to my knee.  It is 11" x 14" and couldn't be more perfect.  So this morning I iced with it and it felt so good.  Unfortunately it only stays cold for about 30 minutes which means I need to keep getting up and down to change the ice pack.  I put it over my compression wrap, so it just keeps my knee feeling cold like the cryotherapy did.   It feels great!

I am just thrilled with my progress!!!!  I still can't really move my leg as I want, but I will keep trying.  I have to try my first set of straight leg raises today as part of my PT.  I am kind of nervous about it b/c I have a feeling I will get frustrated.  I could only do one last night at PT.  I don't think I will be going to work this week like I wanted to.  I don't want to push myself with anything except PT!  At first I thought my OS was crazy saying that I would be back into sports in 3-4 months!  Now I think he may be right!  I love my doctor!!!!!  I am sure he is the reason I am where I am.   I hope I continue progressing without getting too much pain!  I am ecstatic!!!!  Can you tell?  A little different than parts of yesterday!!    I hope everyone else is doing well!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 16, 2008, 01:43:33 AM
Hello People...a little boring today.  I haven't been in much pain today.  My knee just feels like it needs to be used!!  The CPM is getting so boring.  I got up to 80degrees today in it!!  That is 5 deg more than my PT was able to get me to last night.  It doesn't even hurt when I do it.  I know I have a long way to go, but I am tired of sitting around!!!  I can't get comfy b/c my muscles begin to hurt in my bad leg once I get to a spot that makes my knee feel good.  Is this all normal??  I am hating it.  Anyway, I am still happy with my progress.  I am ready to go to my OS on Friday and see what I can start doing next!  I can't wait to get my stitches all out!  I have a feeling my ROM will get even better after that.  Anyway, it is the end of PO7, and I am winding down the day....I will post again tomorrow morning!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 16, 2008, 02:01:26 PM
It is PO8 for me now!  I have not taken a percocet since yesterday around 9am!  So I am doing well with pain.  The most discomfort is when my knee wants to be used.  So I have been working with it.  I have been doing a lot of my own ROM outside of just the CPM machine.  I am doing well with that. Last night it was difficult to sleep b/c I didn't want to stay on my back.  So I kept the pillows stacked up and slept on my side a little bit with my leg up.  I still couldn't get comfortable long enough to sleep past 3:30am!  Everything else is going great though!  Have a good one!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 17, 2008, 10:27:35 AM
So it is the morning of PO day 9!  I have been just great!!  I am completely off the percocet as of 48 hours ago!  I have gotten myself back on my normal medication for my bad back: Ultram ER.  I normally take Indocin as my NSAID, but b/c of blood thinning I am waiting to get my stitches out first.  The only problems have been still a lot of swelling, still not sleeping well, and my knee wants to be used.  I have been sitting on the couch with my knee fairly relaxed...in other words bent!  I keep it straight and bent throughout the day.  I go back and forth to get comfortable.  I still walk around with my immobilizer and two crutches.  Yesterday when I got into the shower (my husband helped), my knee was so wobbly without any support.  It was scary.  I still am having issues with the muscles, but when I sit, I can move it any way I want to now.  I can get on and off the couch with hardly any problems (no weight though)!!  I can also bend and straighten it myself without forcing it.  I hope I am suppose to be able to do all this this early!  Since I am not forcing it, I believe it should be okay, but I guess I will find that out at my OS apt tomorrow.  I am hoping I am just doing really well.  My left knee is starting really to hurt so much again since I am off the Percocet!  I have a feeling it will just start feeling worse by the day since I am having to rely on it so much more now.  Before, I could share the pain with both knees...obviously I can't do that now. One more thing: I CAN'T GET TO SLEEP!!!  Why is this??  My knee doesn't hurt, it just I guess gets stiff.  Any advice to help me sleep at night???  I usually wake up around 2 or 3am and keep shifting until about 6am when I usually wake up just b/c I am tired of not being able to sleep.  I have tried sleeping on my side with pillows between my knees with my bad leg up, I have tried on my back with or without pillows, I have tried allowing it to bend a little in either position, etc.  I just can't get comfortable!  Someone help me please.  I hate to take tylenol PM b/c it really knocks me out and makes me groggy in the mornings.  I haven't taken it in years, but I just don't want to have to. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 17, 2008, 07:18:24 PM
I had therapy this morning and made 95deg ROM on my own!!! No assistance!!!!  I can't wait for my OS tomorrow to see what I can work on next.  Therapy is boring!!  I am ready to push it!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: smkelly4kds on January 17, 2008, 09:18:38 PM
Sounds like you are doing great!  I am having TTT on Monday in the afternoon...the waiting is starting to kill me!  I have been doing everything I can around the house and going shopping so that the house is stocked!  Will give my hubby a chance to just take care of the kids and me without having to worry about getting groceries the first week or so. Good luck with the OS!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 18, 2008, 03:39:37 AM
Good luck!!  I was nervous for about a week before my surgery!  I couldn't sleep....and still can't sleep :)  I hope your recovery moves quickly.  Just be sure to do what the doctor says and no more than that!!  Good luck!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 18, 2008, 12:36:22 PM
I am so excited!  I have my first post op OS apt today!!!  I am finally getting these stitches out and maybe I will be allowed to take a normal shower!!  I can't wait!  My PT didn't think he would do an x-ray this early, so we'll see about that.  I have really good ROM and am ahead of schedule.  Hopefully that is okay!  It is post op day 10 and I am doing great...I am off percocet completely and back on my usual pain medication (ultram ER).  My good knee is still causing problems as it was before my surgery of my right knee.  Of course I have to depend on it more now, so it is hurting a lot.  I am icing my left one at the same time I am icing my right one!  I will tell the OS about it today to see what the future is for my left knee as well.  Okay, well I will keep this up to date once I get back home from my OS apt! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 18, 2008, 06:03:59 PM
I just got back from my first Post Op OS appointment!  It went sooooooo well.  I am out of my immobilizer brace and into a regular  (huge) brace where I can actually bend my knee!!  He is very happy with my progress so far and says I am ahead of schedule and may be back into sports in only 6-8 weeks or so!!!  I hope I continue to make this much progress!!  I am still on crutches for another 3-4 weeks.  Oh well....at least I can do it at my own discretion...weight bearing as tolerated!!! I am happy!!  I don't really have too many limitations now and just need to respond appropriately when my knee hurts.  They made me keep my immobilizer in case I have any problems between now and when I am 100% better.  While at the drs office, I saw 7 different people...3 doctors and 4 technician people.  I couldn't believe how I was treated!  The stitches didn't hurt getting them out.  My x-rays looked good.  My knee cap was exactly where it should be!  It was an amazing difference from last time. My new brace is awesome since I can move now when I walk and start more weight bearing and using my muscles to do it.  I am just ecstatic.  I start back to work on Monday, but still no driving for probably another week or so...at least until I feel strong enough.  I hope everyone else is doing well!!

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: smkelly4kds on January 18, 2008, 06:56:29 PM
WOW that is fantastic!  I hope I have results like you!  Remember to rest that leg btween all the fun you are now allowed to do!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 18, 2008, 07:13:36 PM
I will definitely be careful.  I still can't put much weight on my bad leg yet, so I still have a long way to go.  I am just thrilled with where I have gotten.  Good luck!!!!!  Just be careful! Take it very very easy the first 2-3 days you are home.  Just allow yourself to relax as much as possible.  Keep up with the pain meds.  Be ready to watch really boring TV!  You'll memorize the schedule until you are back on your normal schedule.  The tv schedule here sucks!!  Are you going to be using a CPM machine during recovery?  If so, keep up with it.  I think that is why I am where I am so far!  Well good luck!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: smkelly4kds on January 18, 2008, 08:10:54 PM
I am not sure if I will be using the CPM machine.  I just know I start ROM the next day and PT within the next week or two PO.  I am going to do my best to get out this weekend and be "free" so to speak.  Should be interesting though, we are expecting some serious cold weather here in Southern IL.  Thankfully no snow or ice till next week but naturally we are expected to get it Monday - Wed.  Hoping it won't do anything though!


melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 19, 2008, 02:47:08 PM
Today is PO day 11 and I am at 100 degrees on my CPM machine.  So I am hoping to send that machine away!!  I have only been doing it for 3-4 hrs a day instead of 6 hours like my therapist wanted.  He said he wasn't worried about it since my ROM is still so good.  I love my new knee brace!  It is one of those lockable ones, but for now it is on full range.  My therapist might change that once I actually start more weight bearing.  My doctor has put all of that in my hands now!  So according to him, when I go back in 4 weeks, I should be without crutches!  Maybe not without brace.  I am just so excited about my progress. I thought this would be a 4-6 months injury, but it sounds like it may only be a 2-3 month one!  I am trying some weight bearing with crutches, but my knee is so wobbly!  It feels so weird.  Even with the brace it is hard.  It doesn't hurt too badly though.  Sometimes it hurts in the shin and sometimes in the osteotomy site. So I guess once I get my muscles to function right, then I will be good to go.  At least I don't have to sleep with any brace on at night!!  This whole thing has been so much easier than I thought it would be. Anyway...good luck to everyone else on therapy and surgery!  I will post again later!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: KW on January 19, 2008, 03:41:40 PM
Hey,  It sounds like you are doing well.  Remember to listen to your knee and not try to do too much too fast or over do it!

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 19, 2008, 04:41:45 PM
Thanks!!  I am anxious to get a move on though.  I put my brace on this morning really tightly and actually walked without the use of my crutches.  I had my crutches on each side just in case.  I will keep practicing that, but I know it will be a while until I can get rid of the crutches.  My muscles are still so weak.  I felt my knee wobbling even with the brace on.  My muscles were shaking too.  All it would take is one collapse, and I'd be out for a week or more!  So I will definitely be careful. Now that I am sitting down it feels like I just ran a mile!!  My knee felt fine though.  I feel a little pain at the osteotomy site, but not much.  It might be my brace digging into it a little.  Anyway, I will be careful!  :) 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 20, 2008, 05:47:42 PM
Hello...it is now post op day 12!  The days are flying by and I feel like I am getting better by the day.  I am getting much stronger and can control my muscles pretty well.  Certain things I still can't control.  I keep trying to make the motions of driving (gas and breaking), but I can't control my muscles enough to move from one pedal to the other or push hard enough.  So I will keep trying, but think I will get there by the end of this week hopefully!  I have stopped trying to walk with the brace on and no crutches b/c I am sure I am not ready for that yet.  I wasn't really walking...it was more like a huge limp!  Not good to get into bad habits, so I have stopped.  I am now sticking to bearing weight with the crutches.  I am getting better at it.  I am just anxious to get going!  Oh well.  If I want to get better right, I have to be patient.  I start back to work tomorrow as an architect by day and gymnastics coach at night.  I have a feeling it will be a very long day.  My boss has given me a list of easy tasks to do at first in case I have trouble concentrating.  Unfortunately she warned me that some of the tasks involve moving around.  I can handle it as long as I don't have to carry anything or move around for too long.  As a gymnastics coach, I can just sit on the side and tell the girls what the are doing wrong.  No big deal there.  I plan on taking 1 ice pack to my office in case I feel like I would benefit from it throughout the day.  I have been icing 2-3 times a day at home, but the swelling has gone down enough to where I am not too worried about the number of times I do it....as long as I do it when it hurts or is obviously swollen at least.  I have high hopes that tomorrow my therapist will allow me to get rid of the CPM machine.  That machine is not helping me enough to spend 6 hrs a day on it!  I can push my own ROM.  I am at the point now, that the degree on that machine is uncomfortable on my body.  The way I sit it pushes my leg so far that it hurts other muscles and I have to move around to allow it to push it all the way....I am at 110 degrees.  I can do 110 degrees without the CPM.  Anyway, that is my story for now.  I will keep it up to date as my days progress.  Wish me luck at my first day back to work tomorrow!!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 22, 2008, 03:26:09 AM
It's PO day 13!  I am doing well.  Today was my first day back to work and it went well.  It was kind of a long day, but it went well.  My husband dropped me off at 6:30am (usually 8am) and picked me up around 4:15pm to take me to therapy.  I was worried about therapy since I was given the okay to add more weight and do more things.  It actually went well.  My therapist added at first one more exercise where I hold onto a railing and shift my weight back and forth.  Then he said that was it...so I complained and said that I was ready to drive...so give me more!!  So he gave me another exercise where I sat in a little rolly stool and had to pull myself across the room using my legs.  I couldn't go forwards at all.  It made my knee pop and hurt badly.  So he made me try going backwards....I could handle that one better.  It took a while, but I made it.  Then I was finished for the day...ice and stim!  So I got home with just a little more pain in my knee, but I am still going to push it to get stronger.  I am already maxed out at 115 degrees on my CPM.  My therapist said that if I get to therapy and can push my ROM that far without the machine, then I can get rid of it!  I ask every day when I can drive and he keeps saying in a few weeks...so today he finally said 3 weeks!  I said no way...1 week!!  So tomorrow I am calling my OS to find out a better idea.  My PT said that my OS lets him decide, that it will be 3 weeks!  My husband will force me to wait by hiding my keys!  So I am calling to get a better answer....one I want to hear! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: brianne on January 22, 2008, 03:33:45 AM
Its hard to not drive, but when the surgery is on your right it is important to wait until you are cleared to drive.  You need to have enough control of your leg to work the pedals.  Its not only for your safety, but the safety of those around you on the road.  its frustrating, but it will be over soon.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 23, 2008, 04:19:27 PM
Well my OS called me back yesterday and pretty much told me what I figured he would about driving...Just to make my own decision and think about all the right things before I start.  So that is good.  I am not going to risk my life and others to drive.  I just want to focus on controlling the muscles necessary to drive.  So I will be working on it!

So it is 2 weeks since surgery!  I am back at work full time.  I have some trouble getting comfortable at my desk, but it isn't too bad.  I take my brace off while sitting.  If I am going to walk around, then I put it back on for support.  The brace digs into where the bone is healing, so it hurts.  Therapy is still going okay.  I don't think my ROM was at 115 the way I push it there.  When my PT pushes it, it is just different than on my CPM machine.  So he doesn't believe that I have maxed out my CPM.  He has pushed me to probably 100 degrees.  I haven't had a lot of time to do CPM over the last few days, but every time I use it, I still get right to 115 degrees with minimal pain at the end of the bend.  So it is pointless almost. I am hoping to get rid of it by the end of the week.

Everything is else going great.  My knee has been a little more swollen since I am using it a little more now.  I have been icing during work a little bit to keep it down.  The ice just feels great!  It is amazing how nice people are when you can't carry much or walk very quickly.  Yesterday I was dropped off in my 20 story office building carrying a gym bag with my gymnastics coaching clothes in it.  It kept falling off my shoulder and the concierge guy came and took the bag and took it all the way to my desk!  I couldn't believe it!  My co-workers are nice too!  I guess that's it for now!  I will post again soon! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 24, 2008, 06:12:10 PM
It is Post Op day 16! I have already been bearing weight, but still with heavy use of crutches.  My knee just wants to completely give out without support or crutches.  With the brace it still tries to give out without the crutches. I am getting pretty frustrated and feel like my muscles aren't getting stronger fast enough!  I am doing everything I am suppose to.  My ROM hasn't changed much lately...still 115 degrees on the CPM and only 100 degrees at therapy. My PT is happy with that, but I am not.  I have been at 100 degrees for probably a 5 days now.  I need to get more!  He doesn't believe that I am at 115 on my CPM.  Oh well...what can I do about that...Anyway, last night he pushed me pretty hard.  I was screaming during the ROM stretching.  He also had me doing some new exercises.  They didn't hurt so much...except the weight shifts!  Anyway...still have a long way to go and I am starting to realize it!  I progressed so much at the beginning, and now it is so slow.  I still can't control my leg.  MY SLRs and ABB and ADD exercises are easier, but I still need some quads! He tried to get me to do a step up last night while supporting myself on some parallel bars!  I couldn't even get any of my base foot off the ground. So he said to hold off for a while longer on that one.  My calf muscles are getting smaller by the day! I was seriously hoping I'd notice a difference in walking by the end of this week.  I just feel like I am in the exact same spot! Last night I couldn't sleep b/c of pain! Today I am hardly bearing any weight at all b/c of it!  Anyway, hopefully I will feel better about all of this next week. I am leaving for a 2 night trip tonight for a gymnastics meet....6 hrs of riding tonight, followed by 12 hrs standing coaching on Friday, then another 6 hrs riding the next day.  My Therapist was worried about me standing for 12 hrs on Friday!  I will be in for it when I return!  That's it for now!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: PELoughlin on January 24, 2008, 06:42:40 PM
Farrah-

Be Patient-you're doing really well!!! I am 4 weeks post Fulkersons/LR tomorrow and I'm not much further along than you, except for maybe pain levels which have improved a lot.  Still, I'm not even allowed to be Weight Bearing at all right now, so my calf is TINY!   My ROM is probably about 115-120 and that's it too (No CPM, just on my own)  So, it'll come along and it's just a long road, but every day, it will get a little bit better and you'll be there soon!  Ironically, I'm also spending my weekend at a gymnastics meet but I'm just doing the scoring, so I'll get to sit down at least! (It's at my daughter's gym)  Still, don't worry about feeling tired at the end of the day or not being "fixed"  It takes more time than I think any of us would like, but it really does sound like you're doing amazingly well.  Good luck at the meet this weekend-where do you coach? What levels?   Ellie
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: arkitect06 on January 24, 2008, 06:50:48 PM
I coach in Atlanta at North Metro Gymnastics center.  I only coach the levels Prep Opt 1 and 2.  Where do you live and where does your daughter do gymnastics?  What level and age?

Which knee did you have done?  Are you driving? 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: PELoughlin on January 25, 2008, 12:09:51 AM
I live outside of Boston and she competes at level 6 (she's 11) for New England Sports Academy.  It's a bit of a crazy life for her these days trying to do 16 hours practice plus school and some time thrown in to be a kid! 

I had my left knee done and I started driving 2 weeks after my surgery.  I think that waiting to drive was definitely the hardest part of my recovery :)  Now, I'm mostly ready to get off of these crutches and start PT.  For some reason, Dr. Fulkerson didn't want me to start PT or weight bearing until 6 weeks-my doctor here (who is doing the post op stuff) is going along with that too, so I guess it'll be what it is at 6 weeks.  I've done lots of SLRs and ROM stuff but that's it...skinny leg.  And not the kind of skinny I was going for! 

Good luck at your meet this weekend!  ICE ICE ICE-i think that's the only thing that will save you at the end of each day!!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Post Op
Post by: chromolume7 on January 25, 2008, 12:57:16 AM
Hi there!  I just wanted to echo the "be patient" that others have posted.  For a little perspective - I'm almost 6 weeks post op from a fulkerson/lr on my right leg and I still haven't driven.  My doctor did clear me to start driving at week 4, but until I can make my leg work reliably when I'm walking, I don't want to try.

I know how tough it is to be limited, but at the same time better to take it slow now than run into problems later because things didn't have a chance to heal adequately.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on January 26, 2008, 10:04:04 PM
It's PO day 18!  Guess what!!  When I got back from my long ride from the gymnastics meet, I decided I wanted to try to drive!!  So without a blessing from my husband, I jumped in the car and adjusted the seat and practiced without going anywhere.  I pretended to go from pedal to pedal and then do an emergency break.  It hurt my knee, but my strength allowed it.  The hardest part was getting in and out of the car!!!  So I turned the car on, and drove around the neighborhood and on one busy street and back.  I put the seat up as close as possible to not require the motion of bending and straightening. I had it bent the entire time and used what muscles I have to control it.  I did it!!!!  It felt sooooooo great!!  My therapist is going to be pissed, but my doctor said that I could do it when I felt that I could!  So I am going to drive a little to places I need to go tomorrow, then see how I feel tomorrow night.  I will probably rely on people on Monday until I see my therapist that night.  I will see what he says and hopefully drive myself everywhere from there!  I am so happy! 

So the meet went well.  The hardest part was walking around the resort going to and from the gym and my room.  My muscles were so sore this morning from using the crutches.  I had my brace on the entire time for support.  I did okay except that during my 2nd session warm ups it started hurting really badly.  So I took a couple of tylenol on top of the Ultram ER I already had.  I started feeling better and continued with the meet.  I still can't control some muscles, so occassionally my knee gave out forwards or hyperextended if I put too much weight down.  So I had to keep the brace on otherwise it would have been even worse.  Every time my knee gives out, it kills.  At this fancy dinner we went to last night, I had my leg up on a chair while my friend went to the bathroom.  When she got back, she didn't see my foot on it, so she pulled the chair out and my foot fell down so fast that it killed my knee since I can't control the muscles to slow it down!!!  The parents sitting around me were freaking out.  I ended up being okay of course, but it was painful for several minutes.  Things like that happened throughout the weekend.  Generally it was sooooo fun!  The Prep Opt #2 team got 2nd place, but still didn't do very well...lots of falls on beam: full turns, cartwheels, etc. The Prep Opt #1 team got 3rd place among more competition.  They did sooooo great compared to the #2 team!  They had less falls on beam and great routines everywhere else.  We had several 9.0 scores in that session!  It was awesome.  I did get to sit down more in the 2nd session since it was a traditional style meet.  The first one was a modified capital cup...so there was a lot more moving around.  It was all fun though.  The beach was beautiful, but freezing cold.  So we didn't go there at all.  We mainly stayed in the hotel the entire time...it was a huge resort, so it was big.  Anyway, I will keep you posted on my future driving endeavors! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on January 28, 2008, 02:53:36 AM
I am driving again!!!

It's PO day 19 now!  I drove everywhere I needed to today!  It felt great mentally!  Physically, it was difficult.  I could get to the pedals okay, but it hurt my knee the whole time.  I had to ice at every destination I arrived at today.  I also had my test of pressing the break in an emergency situation.  I was talking to my mom on my cell phone and right when she asked me how my driving was going, I had to slam on the breaks to avoid hitting the people slamming on their breaks in front of me.  My tires squealed and it hurt my knee, but I could do it.  I am still not going to drive my 1hr morning commute tomorrow on my way to work.  My husband is taking me and my sister is picking me up and taking me to therapy.  I am going to tell the PT that I can drive and see what his reaction is.  If he thinks I shouldn't b/c it may hold back my recovery, then I will stop.  My doc did say it was my decision when to start.  So we'll see how it goes.  My PT wanted me to wait another 2-3 weeks from today.  Considering I still can't walk without crutches or control my muscles still, I understand his concern.  Anyway, I also watched tennis all afternoon today.  It was fun.  My knee did start hurting in the middle of the afternoon, but I popped two extra strength tylenol and shortly felt better.  Tylenol never used to work for me, but I guess the combination of that and my Ultram ER, it works.  The less pain, the better!!  That's it for now!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on January 29, 2008, 12:36:18 AM
So today is PO day 20 and probably the worst painful day since my my first week PO.  It is all my fault though.  I drove a lot yesterday and also walked without crutches today a very little bit.  So today I was in lots of pain this morning through the rest of the day.  I restricted my weight bearing big time through the rest of the day once the pain started.  I had PT this evening and told him everything that I did.  First what happened was that I walked into therapy by myself carrying a bunch of stuff.  He was looking around with a bad look on his face...then I said, "don't worry, my sister dropped me off."  Then he blew a sigh of relief.  It amazes me how much he really cares.  Then I told him, but I have been driving!  He shook his head and was pretty pissed.  Then I told him that I also walked this morning and was definitely paying for it all.   He was pretty mad at me for all of it.  I told him that I would stop if he told me that doing all of that would hold back my recovery.  He said of course it would b/c it hurts.  So I told him that I would stop.  I was pretty upset about it.  I was hoping that it wouldn't really affect me that much.  So throughout PT today all my exercises hurt very much.  He then took me through the doctor's protocol and is making me stick to it 100%!  I am worried though b/c my OS said that I could be off crutches at 5-6 weeks.  My next apt with him is at 6 weeks and I don't want to still be on crutches, but the protocol says at least one crutch up to 8 weeks.  Oh well.  My PT is just following protocol.  I don't want my OS to think I am holding myself back if I am still on crutches when I go see him. 

My PT did push my ROM to 116 today!!  So he said that I can get rid of my CPM if I can get to 116 on Wednesday also!  So I was pretty excited about that.  I told him I wasn't happy with my progress, but he said I am doing great. 

I then told him about some of my concerns that I have accumulated over the last few days.  One concern was that my knee has been popping if I am sitting and extend it out.  It may not always pop, but there is a severe #10 scale pain once I extend to a certain point.  It also happens if I stand from a sitting position and put just a little weight on my surgery leg.  I told him I don't know if I am even suppose to be doing that, and he said that he just hopes that it is the swelling that is causing it.  I said I hope to God that is what it is!  Some of the pain I have had in the last few days resembles too much of my pre op pain!  It is around the edges/sides of my knee cap.  The popping is also in the same place and during the same motion as it was before as well....it just isn't as much of a grind...just a pop or a catch.  If it feels like it is a catch, then I bend it again and try again and it will just hurt instead of pop.  The other concerns I had were the swelling and the muscle weakness.  I told him whenever I try to put more weight on my leg even with crutches on that it gives out all the time.  He said that it happens when your muscles are trying to protect the knee.  He said that when you are doing something you shouldn't be, the muscles just turn off to warn you that you shouldn't be doing that and it gets you to stop.  I guess it makes sense, but I don't like it.  He said that, yes my muscle are weak, but not weak enough to make my knee give out all the time.  He also said that the swelling should go down over the next few weeks.  It hasn't changed much since week 2.  As you can see I am frustrated and kind of depressed.  My PT did say that I was the most motivated person he has ever had.  That made me feel a little better.  It definitely shows that I am serious about getting better.  So when it was time to leave PT today, he came up to me as I was putting my brace back on and told me to take it easy and take percocet tonight.  So I am.  I shouldn't have to be told that, but I guess sometimes you just have to hear it.  After all the pain I have been in today, I am surprised I didn't cry at therapy.  It also makes me want to listen better!!!  So I am....that's it for now!  I know I am doing well compared to many of ya'll for being 3 weeks PO, but I am still not happy.  I didn't realize it would actually take this long. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: sailchic on January 29, 2008, 02:32:16 PM
Farrah-

Sorry to hear you're so frustrated.  I know it stinks to want to do something so badly and know that even though you theoretically could you'd be running the risk of hurting yourself if you did.  I pushed myself way too hard after my last surgery and here I am having just had to have another.  Not that it makes it any easier but you just need to look at it like a long term investment.  hang in there... you're doing great, don't want to mess that up  ;D  And if you ever need one of us to remind you that things that hurt aren't good to do be sure to post... (I'm one of those people that needs lots of reminders  :P)

Liz
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: PELoughlin on January 29, 2008, 02:56:14 PM
Hey Farrah-

I so completely understand where you are today.....It's frustrating and hard to not be able to do all that you expect to do.  It's funny how we can read what our doctors say and know it all in our heads ahead of time and yet assume that we'll be free of crutches or do better than they say...I do the same thing-i was SURE i wouldn't be on crutches for 6 weeks and was told I can't even try to walk at all until then so I'm frustrated too.  I also have the same issue with my leg kind of popping in and out but it definitely seems like it's when i've had my brace on for too long and the muscles just aren't supporting it anymore-at least that's what I'm hoping it is!

Today is actually my worst day post op too, not so much in terms of pain but more in terms of frustration at not being done with all of this and also just concern about whether or not it worked for me.  I guess it's going to be a while before I'll know if it worked, but it's hard to not have a crystal ball so I can at least know what I"m working towards.  Then I feel badly for venting or not being cheerful with everyone because I don't want everyone to know I"m not nearly as tough and fine as I'm pretending to be....I guess it's a hard position to be in because i want to be doing great and feeling like I"m getting better as fast as possible and yet I feel like I"m stuck doing what the doctor says and NOT getting better fast enough. 

(everyone but farrah can ignore the next gymnastics part!)
Our gymnastics meet was good too...My daughter wasn't thrilled with how she did because she slipped and it messed up her front handsprings on the floor so she got an 8.8 and figured she'd have gotten at least a half point higher if she hadn't slipped and then lost her timing, She's a perfectionist though-most people would be happy with an 8.8-she's just used to being in the 9's.... but her beam and vault were good enough that she still won in her age division for all around (9.65 and 9.5 on those two!)  She's been struggling all year with bars and has slowly and steadily improved so she's really coming along in general.  Her team won too, so overall, she was happy.  I worked 14 hours on Saturday and 14 on Sunday, so by the end, I was definitely sore and tired but it was fun......I loved watching all the different levels competing and seeing where she's going...mostly, she's completely focused on heading to optionals and having her own routine!!!  She's fun to watch for me and I can't believe how composed and in charge of her life she is at 11.

Hang in there-this day will be over and you'll start to feel better and better.  Do what your doctor says and just believe that you'll get there and be in a better place for following the protocol.  And, we'll get through it together, one day at a time because if we do what we're supposed to, then we'll both know that each day will be even a tiny bit better than the day before.  And always, come here and vent....it's probably the only place people actually completely understand and want you to feel free to vent (and share your achievements too!)

Ellie
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on January 29, 2008, 05:54:19 PM
It is great to see that there are people completely understanding what I am going through.  So I woke up this morning and felt a little better, so I went about my normal morning routine to get ready for work.  I got to work at 7am (1hr early) and felt okay.  Well then the pain set in again about 30 minutes later.  I was in tears by 8am and had my sister pick me up from work at 9:30am.  So now I am home laying around again.  I just couldn't concentrate and there was no point in being at work in so much pain when I could be home.  I took my Ultram ER this morning since I couldn't take it last night b/c of taking the percocet.  So I came home this morning and haven't taken anything extra.  So I am still in pain.  It isn't quite as bad though.  So I am okay.  I just am afraid to mix medications.  I will take some tylenol in a little bit. 

This just sucks...all because I had to drive, walk without my crutches, then got pushed at therapy!!  My fault!

Ellie, your daughter sounds like she is an awesome gymnast getting 9.5s and 9.65s!!!  That is awesome!!  Hopefully she will do just as great in optionals!  Is that what level she will be going to next?  It's too bad that she slipped on her front handspring!  That happened to me once when I was a gymnast.  I was also used to getting 9s on floor until that day!  That sucks that you had to work 28 hrs in 1 weekend at a gymnastics meet.  I could hardly make it through 2 short sessions.  Well I hope your daughter's season continues to improve!  Thanks for the positive and encouraging words!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on January 29, 2008, 06:59:01 PM
Farrah,

You sound just like me.  I push forward with everything I have and get frustrated when things slow down.  Its good that you are so motivated in your recovery, it will do you good in the long run.  But, if there is one thing I have learned its to go easy on yourself.  There are going to be ups and downs in your recovery.  You will still have very good days and even some very bad days. 

It can also be frustrating when you start to get to the point that you are healing enough to do some things and you want to do it all.  I am the QUEEN of doing too much.  This too will improve.  In a few weeks what was overdoing it this past weekend will be nothing for your body. 

My swelling stayed for 4 weeks with my most recent surgery.  My knee was huge until week 4 and then in just a few days the swelling disappeared.  So, it will go down...just might take a while longer.

Last, its okay to let yourself be emotional.  Surgery takes a lot out of your body and sometimes we don't realize that its an emotional toll too.  So, let yourself feel frustrated today, let your body rest, and tomorrow will be a new and better day.  You are doing wonderful...in a few months you will look back and see just how far you have come.

Brianne

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on January 29, 2008, 07:17:53 PM
I greatly appreciate your encouraging words! 

My biggest concern is that by next Tuesday, I should be off 2 crutches and on at least 1.  Well my PT is going to be out of town, and I will be seeing the other PT.  I hope she will be on top of what I am suppose to do and will be as nice as my usual PT.  Honestly right now, I don't think I can even go to one crutch yet.  My knee gives out too much!  After I try, then it hurts too much afterwards.  My doctor is such a tough one that I am just worried that when I go see him on February 15th, that I may be behind protocol.  That is why I push myself.  My PT said that WBAT means that if it hurts, don't do it.  So I am sticking with that today and tomorrow.  I will talk to him more about it tomorrow.  I will also make sure that that other PT knows exactly what to push me on or take it easy on.  I don't want to be behind schedule.  I am ahead of schedule on my ROM, but everything else seems about right.  I have too many things going through my head about all of this!!  I need to just go with the flow and do what I am allowed to do and what my body will allow. 

During your Post Op, did any of you during your recovery early on (3 wks) have similar pains and popping that you may have had before surgery??  I just want to hear that you did so that I can feel better about it.  If you did, did it go away and it was just a fluke that it felt and acted the same as before surgery??  Thanks!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on January 29, 2008, 07:56:28 PM
Farrah, Ellie, Brianne and Liz,
Wow-what a coincidence that I read all your messages on a day when so many applied to myself as well.  It is amazing the connection of total strangers all over the place going through such similar highs and lows and emotions after surgery.

Farrah-so sorry about your 2 hard days.  I have read many of your postings and you sound like you are doing great.  Give yourself a break for a day or 2 and you will be right back on track.
I am Post Op day 18 and feeling frustrated by a setback-diagnosed with a blood clot yesterday...like I wrote to Brianne earlier-there is always something, eh?

But I loved so many of the  comments you all posted:
Elllie-I haven't exchanged posts with you before but this paragraph you wrote pretty much put my mindset exactly into words...
"Then I feel badly for venting or not being cheerful with everyone because I don't want everyone to know I"m not nearly as tough and fine as I'm pretending to be....I guess it's a hard position to be in because i want to be doing great and feeling like I"m getting better as fast as possible and yet I feel like I"m stuck doing what the doctor says and NOT getting better fast enough.  "

For some reason hearing someone else feels exactly the same as you may not fix it all but it sure does help keep it in perspective

Someone else mentioned being the "queen of overdoing" and I am right there with you on that and doesn't it get so aggravating when friends and family keep reminding you of that....

Thanks to all of you for the much needed insight and I hope everyone has a better afternoon and smoother days to come-

One more thing-Farrah, your range of motion sounds really impressive-it really sounds like you are doing everything you should and more.  keep in mind what a busy past week you had with travel, etc.

Okay I am off to my CPM-I had to hold off for 24 hours until the first dose of Lovenox got to work and now I need to ease back into it-oh what an exciting life I lead....

Carol

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on January 30, 2008, 01:09:52 PM
Hello everyone...it is PO 21 now!  I can't believe it already! Thanks for everyone's posts yesterday!  It really helped me mentally.  I am still in a great deal of pain today.  I didn't sleep at all last night.  I took my Ultram ER last night as always, so I will be taking tylenol throughout today.  I really want my percocet, but I am working today and can't be sleepy.  Most of the pain is where the bone was shifted.  While doing all my PT exercises last night at home, they all hurt very very badly.  I couldn't even do the one on my back with a cylindrical foam piece under my thigh where I have to straighten out my leg (I guess an extension).  I did 2 reps and it was sooooo painful I was in tears just from those two.  So I figured I'd just stop.  It feels like something is getting stuck in my knee.  Please someone tell me if you experience this. 

I feel pain right under my knee cap across the tendon when I put a little weight on it and stand from a sitting position and do some of my exercises (just like before surgery).  I also have pain where my bone was moved almost always no matter what I do.  Is this normal at this point?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on January 30, 2008, 07:12:51 PM
Farrah

   I know you want to be at where your OS expects you to be but those protocols are just that.  Just markers of where the average patient should be. Each person is different on their healing and how fast their body mends.   It sounds like you may need to call your OS office and just ask a few questions.  Your may have way over did it.  It is best to rest it till it is feeling better.  I am not an expert at all and am 2 weeks behind you but if you have more pain than you have been having I would think that is a hint to call and make sure you haven't cause more damage.  It could be that you have just way over used it.
   Hope you are feeling better.  Your progress has been encouraging to me thus far.  Thinking good thoughts and praying for a quick healing for yo.
Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on January 30, 2008, 07:17:04 PM
Melissa, thanks so much!  I will talk to my PT about it tonight and see what he says about it all.  Hopefully this is just normal minor stuff.  We'll see :)  I hope it is.  If my PT is concerned, then I will my OS.  I hope you are doing well.  I have been following your posts whenever I get on.  It sounds like your bedroom is a fun place to be!!  Have a good one!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on January 31, 2008, 12:42:58 AM
I am 22 days PO and doing horribly bad! I have over done it over the last few days I guess. I was in tons of pain on Monday and it hasn’t really gone away since then. It has kind of come and gone as different degrees of pain, but for the most part it is still around. I am 100% certain now that 1/2 the pain I am having is in the exact place as before my surgery and feeling worse by the day. It is popping more frequently as well.  My PT said to not think too much of it yet since it is still very early. I just can’t help but think about it. Anyway, I get to get rid of my CPM machine as of today since I got to 117 degrees ROM with my PT tonight. So that is about the only good thing I have to say right about now. Hopefully things will turn up quickly for me…still no driving and still on crutches for at least 2.5 more weeks :( Well at least 1 crutch for 2 of those weeks. I don’t think I will be ready. On top of that my PT will be out of town next week, so I am worried that the other PT will not push me the way I need to be on certain exercises. Next week will mark 4 weeks and new exercises, more weight bearing, and possibly no brace. So next week is a big week that my PT will not be around for. Two exercises that I am deathly afraid to start next week are leg presses and small squats!!! My PT has agreed that my progress has slowed down even though my ROM is excellent.  On top of all of this, my left knee is feeling worse and worse!!!!  Sorry to sound depressed....because I am!   :( :( :( :( :'( :'( :'( :'(  I took an Ultram ER a little while ago with a percocet.  I didn't want to have to do that, but I need to sleep tonight!  I don't want to feel pain. I may just go to bed right now at 7:45pm eastern time.   :( :( I hate that my PT is going to be out of town! 

I greatly appreciate everyone's positive words of encouragement so I am very sorry that I still have negative words!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: PELoughlin on January 31, 2008, 02:55:54 AM
You don't need to ever be sorry here for negative words-we're all here to support each other and to try to get through whatever hurts us or scares us so that we can go back to the "real world" and not take out people's lack of understanding on them quite as much. I Know we all get tired and worn down and want people to understand better than they do, but to come here and vent takes away just a little bit of that pressure.  So, vent to us....anytime you want.  And then it will make things just a bit more bearable.

In terms of your knee, hang in there-it sounds rough and scary.  It's hard to not know if a surgery that you needed so much "worked" and to be scared that it didn't.  I'm guessing your PT who sounds incredibly engaged will let the new PT know exactly what's going on and you seem like you'll also be able to be your best advocate.  Take it easy and realize how little three weeks is in a lifetime.....and indulge yourself a little bit.  Read some trashy magazines, watch a silly movie, keep some ice on your leg and eat ice cream....it's important to also realize that you're going to get through this because you're strong and you've got a PT and an OS who are going to look out for your best interests.....

Hang in there....this too will pass.

Ellie
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on January 31, 2008, 03:10:35 AM
Okay, so I didn't get to bed :)  I am about to though.  I figured I'd check the posts one more time before I go lay down in bed for 7hrs.  My knee pain has mostly subsided while I am laying down thanks to the meds.  I love to vent on here.  It really does help even if nobody responds!!  It's nice to get it out of me.  Nobody else understands.  My husband is patient, but tired of hearing that my knee is always hurting.  So that makes it hard too.  My PT will be communicating with the "sub" PT for next week.  What really makes me mad is that they put me on this other PT's schedule during one of the days that my PT is back next week!  So I will be working with this other one while my usual one is there.  I guess there wasn't any more room on his schedule since everyone else tried to squeeze their apts in when he was in town the last couples days of that week.  Oh well.  I have a wild personality and this other PT doesn't seem to have a sense of humor!  That is what keeps me going in therapy...making jokes and having fun even when I am in pain.  I also like to yell at my PT sometimes when he is hurting me or giving me an exercise that kills and he knows it!!  Haha!  I don't think I can do that with this other one.  Anyway, I am seriously going to bed now.  I hope I actually sleep instead of just lay down tonight!!!  Thanks to everyone for your help!!!!!  I really do feel better after reading some of your posts.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on January 31, 2008, 12:31:52 PM
It is the morning of PO 23.  I actually slept through most of the night last night.  I woke up twice, but that is better than not sleeping!  So far at 7:20am, I am feeling okay.  I am having some pain, but nothing compared to the last few days.  I will still be careful as far as bearing weight.  I want progress.  If that means staying off of it for a few days, than I will.  Then I will push myself again later.  I am calling my PT's office today to see if he has any open apts when he is in town next week instead of having two apts with that other PT.  Obviously I just don't want to see her.  Anyway, I will post again later. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on January 31, 2008, 06:38:59 PM
So it is almost 1:30pm my time.  I spent the morning almost in tears beginning around 8:30am.  I didn't cry, but if someone would have bothered me the slightest bit, I would have been a mess!  I kept to myself most of the morning and tried not to leave my desk.  I couldn't bear it any longer, so I finally took 2 tylenol since I can't take percocet during the day.  I am feeling much better now. I am still having pain, but it is much more tolerable.

I called my PT this morning and he made time for me next week during my 2nd apt of the week.  He squeezed me in with another patient.  So now I only have to see the sub on Monday.  I am so happy about that!! 

I get off work at 5:30pm followed by my 1hr ride to my 1 hr gymnastics coaching then my short ride home.  I will not be home until about 8:15 or so tonight.  So I hope I feel okay until then at least!!  Coaching is really hard on 1 leg with two crutches. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: PELoughlin on January 31, 2008, 07:18:10 PM
Hey Farrah-I'm weeks ahead of you and still feeling that frustration at times...I can't walk, I feel useless and a lot of my angst also comes from not sleeping very much at all.  My poor daughter did something not so big last night and I just LOST it with her and I think it comes from just feeling like it's somehow wrong to complain and yet what i want to do is lay in bed and have someone massage my feet and tell me how wonderful I am!!!  My husband really is amazing and tries but he's been working like crazy and I finally just fell apart.  Sometimes, falling apart actually helps you get through the day ironically....gets out some of that steam and makes you realize that we all just need to get through each day and not expect to move mountains EVERY day...So, you're making it through work today and that's more than your knee could do yesterday-it's a small improvement and i'm sure it doesn't do nearly enough to make you feel good but know that I'm thinking about you and rooting for you!!!  Ellie
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on January 31, 2008, 07:34:18 PM
Thanks Ellie!  I actually smiled at the end of your post :)

Since I am on, it is only 2:30pm now and the pain is already slowly coming back...too early for more tylenol!  UGH!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 01, 2008, 02:35:28 AM
Hello guys!  I made it through the day!  I was in pain off and on throughout the day, but have been taking tylenol pretty much every 4 hours!  I hate that I had to do that, but I have been in too much pain.  So today has been pretty good...at least so far!  :)  Unfortunately I left my tylenol at work, so I will not be able to take anything tonight :(  I can't take percocet b/c it can't mix with tylenol since I took it last about 5 hrs ago.  I am sure it would be fine, but I don't want to risk getting sick or anything.  Anyway, I will be going to bed soon and hopefully will be able to sleep tonight.  I am hoping that today marks the end of my 4 days of pain.  We'll see tomorrow!!  Thanks for everyone's words of encouragement!!!!!  It has helped more than I thought it would!  I love this website!!  I can relate with people!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 01, 2008, 01:10:25 PM
PO day 24!  I have been feeling okay.  My left knee has been hurting as much as my right (surgery leg)  :-\ I slept last night despite the pain!  I woke up only once.  My attitude has improved.  I am just doing whatever I can to get stronger and feel better.  My weight bearing has been from 0-90% over the last few days.  I continue to try taking steps without crutches.  My knee still gives out, so I don't do it much.  I have also tried walking with one crutch, with not much success.  It is hard!  I guess I am just not ready!  Hopefully I will be ready next week. 

I have a big weekend ahead of me!  I am hosting a goodbye party tomorrow, then attending a super bowl party on Sunday. Back when I scheduled the goodbye party, I didn't think I'd still be on crutches!  So it will be interesting to see how it works out!  One of my friends is coming early to help me set up.  My husband is helping clean the house.  So it should all work out!  I am excited. Hopefully I will not feel the need to be standing the whole time.  The guest list is about 20 people. It will b efun.  Wish me luck!!!  :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 01, 2008, 01:11:38 PM
I forgot to ask....do you guys have excrutiating pain in your knee cap during straight leg raises? 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: PELoughlin on February 01, 2008, 01:21:51 PM
Have fun with your party!!!  And of course, for the superbowl party, GO PATRIOTS!  Sorry, got carried away.... Anyway, I'm so glad you got some sleep and are feeling better today....now, don't go and overdo again!!!!!!  You definitely don't want to end up where you were a few days ago.  In terms of the SLR's, my kneecap doesn't seem to hurt when I do them but it does kind of snap back and forth...I keep assuming that's because my quad and calf aren't strong enough to hold it in place.  Don't know about the sharp pains though.  Ellie
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: sailchic on February 01, 2008, 04:02:09 PM
I do get those pains if I try to do the SLR from my leg being directly on the floor.  I find that most of that pain goes away if I roll up a t-shirt and put it under my knee before I start... I think mine's from the leg being a little hyper extended when I try to pull the knee cap up... not sure though... it's on my list of things to ask at my OS appt on Monday... If I learn anything I'll let you know.

Good Luck with the party!  GO PATS!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 01, 2008, 06:24:02 PM
What about terminal leg extensions on your back with a roll under your thigh?  Does anybody do that exercise?  If so, do you have a killer pain under knee cap over the tendon?  Thanks!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 02, 2008, 01:56:35 AM
So today's pain ended up being pretty good.  I put more weight down today.  I actually took a few steps with and without my brace on.  Each time my knee gave out....more without the brace.  I guess my muscles or my knee just aren't ready for it yet.  I didn't have pain in the screw site afterwards today though.  My knee was mainly just achy b/c of using it.  I did have a few little "wrong moves" with my knee today, but the pain usually subsided pretty quickly.  I didn't take any tylenol today, just my usual Ultram ER.  My left knee is still killing me and today it seemed worse than my right knee.  That tendon pain is still there and causes a lot of pain if I extend my leg at all no matter from what position.  I don't know how I am going to be able to drive just b/c of that pain (pushing the pedals).  I think that is what caused my pain over the last week...from driving this past Sunday.  I realized that it hurt that tendon more than anything.  Anyway, I have still been practicing my one crutch I am getting a little better, but I am still not ready.  I need so much support still that I am leaning so far over on the crutch that it is putting stress on my surgery knee.  So I will just continue all my PT exercises and just see what progress I can make over the next few days.  I am just glad I am feeling better!!  I am going to take tylenol before bed just to make sure I can sleep again tonight.  I know I will be in pain once I do my PT stuff tonight anyway.  I DID GET RID OF MY CPM TODAY!!!  They picked it up this morning!!!!!  I was glad to get rid of it!  Well I will post again later!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 02, 2008, 07:10:01 PM
PO day 25!  I am doing sooooo much better now!  I am having normal achy/sore pain now.  My party is tonight so I have been on my feet a lot cleaning up.  So right now I am taking a break.  I am very excited about my party!!!  My PT exercises still hurt.  Last night I was doing my weight shifts as required and I had my old pain over the tendon, the soreness from surgery, and now the pain under my knee cap again.  I am getting extremely frustrated, and by now I am pretty sure that it is not the swelling causing the same pains as before surgery.  I will keep doing what I am suppose to anyway and keep a positive attitude.  Go Giants!!  Haha!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 03, 2008, 03:11:31 PM
PO day 26, and I am doing okay.  My party was a huge success.  I was on my feet too much and had pain towards the end of the night, but it wasn't anything that tylenol couldn't help me with.  I did have problems sleeping last night because of the pain, but it was worth it.  The party was awesome.  The ladies even helped me clean up afterwards, so once everyone was gone, I just could go to bed!!  I didn't have to worry about cleaning anything.  It was great!  My PT exercises are still hurting.....I guess that will be in all of my next posts!  Hopefully not! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 03, 2008, 06:59:52 PM
I DROVE MYSELF TO WORK THIS MORNING AND WILL BE DRIVING MYSELF BACK.  I ALSO WALKED TO THE WATER FOUNTAIN AND BACK WITHOUT CRUTCHES AND WITHOUT MY BRACE.  My knee gave out some, but we'll see how I feel in a few hours.  My PT said I can try anything and remember the intensity of what I do and compare it to my pain level afterwards.  If it is bad, then back off next time.  So this is my experiment for today.   I will post how I feel at the end of today!  It hurts right now, but it is tolerable.  During the walking once my knee gave out and I pushed it back straight, it hurt under my knee cap like my other knee does...and like my right knee always did on stairs and during any weight bearing before surgery.  SUCKS!!!  I will be on crutches for the rest of today with my brace on tightly. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: PELoughlin on February 03, 2008, 08:57:29 PM
Oh my gosh farrah-I'm happy and nervous for you all at once!  BE CAREFUL and try it in little doses so you don't end up as miserable as last week...On the other hand-what fantastic progress you've made and are making!  The only real issue is that you're rooting for the giants tonight :(  Hang in there-let us know how you do with all the new stuff!!! Ellie
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 04, 2008, 02:53:22 AM
So today went great!  I drove to and from work without much pain afterwards.  I also walked a lot today without my crutches.  It was more like a limp, but 100% weight bearing with just the brace on.  I also did it some without the brace, but it was much more difficult.  My knee isn't giving out as much now which is great!  I also worked up the courage to take one of my dogs (dachshund) to the dog park today!  It was difficult walking from the car to the park with her on the leash and pulling me so hard and fast (with crutches).  It was fun though...all the other dogs were afraid of me b/c of the crutches!  Some sniffed my crutches and my brace.  The weather was just too nice to not go out.  I think it was in the mid 60s today!!!  I tried to sit as much as possible at the park. 

So I just finished my ever so painful PT exercises with a ton of pain!  The weight shifts are killing me....just all the same painful crap I had before!  So right now my knee is achy from all the activities I did today and on top of that painful from PT stuff.  I am getting really great at the walking though.  So I can't wait to start either 1 crutch or 0 crutches!!  Probably by the end of the week or next week I could be off completely.  I am suppose to be out of my brace next week I think.  So that may delay walking some.  I should be able to drive by the end of the week maybe.  I have a very long commute to and from work, gymnastics, and PT so I won't be driving for the rest of the week.  Anyway, good luck to everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 04, 2008, 03:09:17 AM
It is 10:08pm my time and the New York Giants just won the superbowl!!!!!  I had a bet at the party I went to.  I bet that the Giants would win 24-14!  I won the bet!!!!!!  I pulled the score out of my butt!!

TAKE THAT ELLIE :)  j/k!! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: PELoughlin on February 04, 2008, 03:15:52 AM
I know I know, i might deserve that-wow, that was a TENSE game!  i kept having to resist the urge to jump up on my leg!!!! Anyway, the giants just played much better today-we stunk!!!  I guess...next year?!??

I'm so glad you had such a good day!  I was really nervous it would turn on you but i'm so so happy!!!!!  Congratulations!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 04, 2008, 12:37:58 PM
Day 27 now!  I am feeling great!!  Just the normal surgery pain (swelling), pain during exercises, wrong steps, and when my knee gives out.  None of it is a constant pain!!  At least not yet at 7:00am Monday morning.  Last week when I would say that it would creep up on me big time.  So hopefully today it will not.  I drove yesterday, but plan not to for the rest of the week at least until my PT gets back into town and approves it.  I have also been walking around my house without crutches a lot...with and without my brace.  My knee still gives out some, but I am managing.  My PT did say if it doesn't hurt, then go ahead.  He will be surprised to hear that I can actually do it!  I tried walking with one crutch in my office this morning, but my knee kept giving out with my brace on.  It is harder to do that than to walk without crutches!  Since I am doing more of a limp than a walk without crutches, I will have to keep trying the 1 crutch.

I actually shaved my legs in the shower this morning as opposed to using my electric shaver!!!  I have a bad back, so I have to put my leg up one at a time to do it.  My surgery leg was wobbly, but it wasn't too bad.  It took a while though, but felt great to have smooth legs :)  On that note, I will post later...hopefully with more reports of NO constant pain!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 04, 2008, 12:49:17 PM
Farrah
Wow you are making so mcuh progress, good for you.  I hopr your day continues to go well and you can kick those crutches.  I was thinking earlier this morning that one should always look ahead and plan a "Kick the Crutches" or "Bustin' free from the Brace" paty at the end....something to think about.
I am also impressed that you manges to walk your dog yestrday-jealousof your gret weather too-we live in CT and our puppy  goes out quickly these days (my husband and kids deal) if I tried taking him out I would be flat on my face b/c he is still a rambucious little pup getting tangling in the  crutches.
Have a great Monday and enjoy those crutch free steps.
Carol
PS I am right there with you about the  power of clean-shaved legs, when my sterile bangages and stitches came  out i came straight home to do that.  Now I can only use my husbnad's electric b/c I am on the coumadin but  it s better than hairy legs:)  ahhh the little things in life!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 04, 2008, 06:04:45 PM
So it is now almost 1pm in the afternoon, I am still feeling okay!  After trying to walk earlier with and without my brace, it became painful around 9:30am-12pm, but I iced and now I am feeling a little better.  I actually walked (crutched) across the street into a mall's food court for lunch all by myself today.  After going down from my building from floor 16 to 1, walked through our little building's street, then across a busy street, through the mall parking lot, then up 2 escalators into the food court.  I got my drink first and put it down on a table near where I was ordering.  Then stepped forward and grabbed my bag a few minutes later.  People offered to help me carry stuff, but I refused!  I am MISS INDEPENDENT!!  I sat all by myself and ate, then walked all the way back.  On the way back, I started lifting the crutches to try to walk without them.  My knee kept giving out (with brace) and was painful.  I also tried one crutch, but it just puts too much stress on my knee.  I don't understand how 1 crutch is good!  What is the point of 1 crutch??

 I am now so excited about going to see this "sub" therapist today since I am feeling pretty well.  I hope my usual PT wrote her a note allowing her to add more stuff today since this week marks 4 complete weeks since surgery.  I feel like I have made a lot of progress lately except that my exercises all kill...not the surgery tightness stretching kill, but the sharp painful kill like before surgery.  So maybe no brace today and down to 1 crutch (if I can accomplish it). 

I will post again tonight after therapy. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 04, 2008, 08:22:01 PM
Hey Miss Independent,
Sounds like quite a day.  I was in the  mall with my daughters for a bit earlier today (they have no school)  and felt quite liberated.  I took them to see the Hannah Montana movie.  Now I am back home on my CPM.
Good luck at PT-my first PT is tomorrow and I am not sure what to expect...
I am with you on the one crutch thing-seems like a hassle but I am not there yet so I can't say.
Have a good afternoon-
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 05, 2008, 04:03:57 AM
Hello..it is the end of day 27 and I still have had a somewhat painless day.  I had some achiness and soreness a few times throughout the day, but not too much.  The worst part was going to therapy.  I didn't progress into any new exercises today, but everything was still very painful...actually worse today than ever so far.  Every single exercise hurt today.  The SLRs killed today even with the e-stim on.  It hurt to the side of my knee cap whenever I tightened up my muscles.  Then it carried over to hurt on everything else plus a lot more pain in different parts of my knee.  I did get to 122 degrees though!!  I tried to do the scoots on the rolly chair again today.  The first time I tried a few weeks ago, I couldn't go forwards at all.   So I ended up trying to go backwards that day and struggled, but did it.  So I tried them again today and still couldn't go forward at all.  SO I tried backwards again, and it hurt way worse than before!!  I don't understand it at all.  Anyway, so I left PT in pain as usual...the kind I have lived with for 6-7 yrs!  I know you are tired of hearing about this pre surgery pain, but it is my reality!  It sucks!  :'( :( I am still getting through my PT exercises as best as I can. 

After PT tonight, my husband I went to a comedy club for this comedian university thing that my friend was learning.  Tonight was their graduation where they had to perform for 7-8 minutes each person.  His sucked!!  SOME of the others were hilarious!  It was just a fun experience.  My knee ached and had some sharp pain throughout the night, but it was still fun.   That's all for now.  I hope I can get through my exercises tomorrow!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 05, 2008, 12:16:30 PM
Hi Farrah
What a day-great that you made it through fairly pain-free.
I have my firsr PT this morning and I have a dumb question.  What is an SLR....is that a single leg raise?
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 05, 2008, 12:21:38 PM
Hey Carol, an SLR is a straight leg raise. They suck!!!  You may have already been doing them, but I hate them.  I feel like I am in the exact same place as before surgery except that now my knee has some huge scars and lots of swelling.  Before surgery, I could walk fine with minimal pain.  I couldn't do stairs, get in or out of a chair, or do hardly any of my PT exercises without pain.  So here I am again.  Same thing.  I am learning how to walk little by little without my crutches. Today I plan on not using them much at work unless it hurts.   So I imagine by next week, I will be walking and driving and will be in the same exact boat as before surgery.  I am very anxious to see what my OS says next week!  Good luck at PT!!  Let me know how it goes and what exercises you do!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 05, 2008, 04:45:59 PM
Someone please remind why I am not suppose to walk too much yet!!!!  UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on February 05, 2008, 11:24:33 PM
Ok you asked for someone to remind you why you are not suppose to be wlaking so much.
Why not go back and read all of you posts.  you have high levels of pain in almost all of your posts.  MAybe your body is trying to tell you to slow down!  What does you PT say??  as for the SLR I was able to do 60-90 of those the night before surgery and now I cant even do one!  I know you are a head of me by a few weeks but my PT says those are the hardest to regain.  give your self a break!  Listen to your body you don't have to be super hero on recovery time!  Let your leg set the pace and just give it a little push. 

Be nice to your knee!  You do not want to have to have more surgery!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 06, 2008, 02:27:40 AM
Okay, so I made a mistake walking some this morning at work.  I don't know what the deal is.  I can do it at the time, then I start getting tired.  So I stop.  Then my knee kills for a few hours to where I am PWB-NWB for a few hours until the pain subsides.  My OS said that I can get rid of the crutches this week or next!  How am I suppose to do that if I can't walk more than 5 minutes total?  I am not even suppose to have my brace on when I try, but I can't come close to doing it without my brace.  My protocol says 1 crutch this week and next, but I can't do that at all.  I guess I lean to much into it and it puts a lot of stress on the outside of my knee and hurts a lot.  So for me it seems like it is 2 crutches or none!  I prefer none!!  I am going to keep trying to walk, just not as much I guess.  I will talk to my PT about it tomorrow.  He always tells me what I don't want to hear.  He keeps adding weeks onto what he first tells me.  He already doesn't want me walking until I see my OS on feb 15th!  We'll see about that!!!!  I am also very anxious to be a continuous driver. 

I am not usually in continuous pain unless I am walking or standing too much.  The exercises are a killer for me....all of them except the abbductors and adductors and the stretches.   When I was at PT yesterday I left in so much pain even after icing and stim.  I can't even describe how painful the exercises are.  I know for sure it isn't surgery pain...well a little bit is.  I can tell the difference.  So after working on PT, I am usually down for the rest of the night and back up the next morning.  I have PT again tomorrow with my normal PT since he is back in town.  I hope to GOD he doesn't add more exercises, but I also know I need to move on and get stronger.  I can't explain enough how bad this makes me feel.  I just know that this isn't the first time a surgery hasn't improved my pain levels.  I always have high hopes with either the first surgery or all of my previous back injections from the past, then I feel horribly by the time all of the surgery/injection pain goes away.  One of the injections I had a while back helped for about 2 weeks.  I was in tears I was so happy when the pain was gone.  Then the pain came back all at once and I was in tears again, but of sadness.  I am experiencing this all over again.  I wish I could describe my feelings right now. 

Besides all of that, I had a rough day today.  I was at work as usual with lots of pain in the morning followed by some pain and achiness in the afternoon.  Well my sister called and volunteered to pick me up from work early to go vote.  So I took her up on that.  Once we got there the line was out the door!  I waited in the line for about 20-25 minutes before getting inside.  Then I filled out my form and then sat down in a nearby chair while my sister waited in line for me.  I got back in line and had to wait another 15 minutes or so.  So needless to say, my knees were both killing me.  I want to just amputate my left knee once my doctor fixes my current surgery knee.  At least the pain will go away, right?? I am not serious, but I am frustrated still.  Once I finished voting, I then had to stand up at gymnastics for 1 hr.  My knee was hurting sooooooo badly while sitting on a mat resting at one point.  Now I am at home typing up a post dreading the fact that in a few minutes I have to do my oh so painful PT exercises.  Whhooopppyyyy.  :(  Maybe I shouldn't post anymore.  I have nothing good to say right now.  It just feels too good to say the same bad crap on here everyday.  At least someone can read it and understand it.  I am sure you are tired of hearing about how I think the surgery didn't help me.  Well I will post again tomorrow morning when I am hopefully feeling a little better and ready to conquer the day again.  I will keep trying to walk. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on February 06, 2008, 02:43:06 AM
OK Farrah - You are alot like me...I want to be better and I want to be better NOW.  We'll I have learned the hard way it does not work that way.  Chick...You need to slow down before you hurt yourself (just trust me that it is possible).  Try walking alittle at a time...Don't drop the crutches and expect to never need them again. You need to build up the amount of time you can walk without the crutched. You may not like what your OS is telling you to do but follow what he orders.

Look...at some point in time I managed to do something stupid that caused my TTT to not heal and I have no idea what it was! I managed to pull a screw loose and it started to bend.

So remember you can't be better NOW and it is going to take time.  Slow down just a little.

Karen

 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 06, 2008, 03:17:02 AM
Farrah
I am so sorry your day was so crappy and painful.  When is your next appt. with your OS?  Is he or she good with e-mails or phone calls?  Perhaps you should check and see if all this pain means you need to wait another week to push the walking, probably not what you want to hear but one week waiting could make for better results in the long run.
I hope your exercises weren't too awful tonigh and that you find a good TV show to watch and can get comfortable.
As for Atlanta-my in-laws live in Fayetteville and my sister in law in Douglasville.  As for TX..I love San Antonio and graduated from a small college there and then moved to the Clear Lake area of Houston.  We came back to the cold Northeast about 10 years ago.
Yes, thank god for families and sisters.  She totally made my day by being here and helping out.  My husband has been super Dad to our 3 kids  throughout this surgery month and when my mom or sisters come it takes a little load off of him. 
Okay I am pooped from my big day or first PT and first ride in a motorized cart at Target but a girls got to get a little crazy sometimes, eh?
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 06, 2008, 12:05:19 PM
I keep saying that I have learned a lesson from walking, but then I keep doing it.  I am trying to do a little at a time.  Sometimes it doesn't hurt during or after and sometimes it kills.  According to my PT if it doesn't hurt during or after, then go ahead.  If it does, then don't.  So I get mixed ideas about walking!  My pain might not all be from walking I guess.  I don't know.  My next OS is feb 15.  It seems like 4 weeks between appointments to see your OS is too long between my last one at 10days PO and this one at 5.5 PO.  Too much happens in between those appointments.  Oh well...it is the way it always is.  I just hate to call him when I am going to see him in 1.5 weeks.  I will see what my PT says tonight...which will be to not walk!!!  UGH!  He is being too conservative!  Anyway, about my exercises last night....I can't describe how painful they were.  I started out with the non painful ones (abb, add, and stretching) and progressed to SLRs.  I was in tears during the 2nd or 3rd SLR, but I finished them.  So I skipped my weight shifts b/c those are worse.  This sucks!  How am I suppose to get stronger if the exercises hurt so badly?  Anyway, I am at work ready to begin the long day ahead of me...hopefully a day with no constant pain. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 06, 2008, 06:05:48 PM
Day 29 has been good so far.  Just achiness mainly.  The only major pain is from stepping wrong, when my knee gives out, or when I extend my leg.  I decided to just stick to 1 crutch for today.  I am not going to walk without crutches today....so no constant pain so far.  I am taking it pretty easy.  My leg is getting stronger now to where I am starting to walk faster.  My knee isn't giving out quite as much now.  It still does though.  I will post again tonight after my dreaded PT visit! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 07, 2008, 01:37:25 AM
Okay so the day ended worse than it started....I guess that is the way it always is.  The exercises are the killers.  I got to therapy feeling okay and was goofing off, talking, and joking around.  Then the torcher started!  I sat at the end of a short exam table with my legs hanging over.  He asked me to extend my leg out.  I could do it with a #9 pain!  So he then put a stool under my foot to allow me to not extend so much.  I still could hardly do it.  So then he hooked me up to the stim and I could do it better, but still with pain.  I did that for 5 minutes.  Then I did my usual SLR's, terminal leg extensions, abbductors, and adductors.  I was hooked up to stim, so it wasn't too bad.  The leg extensions suck!!!  So my knee was already killing me.  He made me try 3 other exercises that I had to stop before even finishing one rep on each of them.  It hurt so badly that I couldn't breathe!  I had to just grit my teeth and allow the tears flow until he allowed me to stop on each of them.  I was so upset.  I told him that I was so frustrated b/c I want to get stronger.  He said that your muscles will not get stronger through pain.  I asked him why I was having so much pain.  He said that he didn't know.  My PT is a great one!  So I know he knows what he is talking about.  I did get to try the bike at the end since my ROM was so good.  Mentally, that felt great.  It also hurt very badly, but I told him I wanted to do it anyway.  He allowed me to do it for 5 minutes.  So once that was done, I did the ice and stim.  He put the stim on the highest pain reliever possible.  I ended up leaving still in pain, but not quite as bad as probably 30 minutes before.  I asked him about wearing my brace and using crutches.  I am officially down to 1 crutch with brace as long as my knee doesn't hurt.  If it does, then I need to go back to 2 crutches.  Still no driving!!  SO it sucks that I feel fine until I do my exercises!  Oh well. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: chromolume7 on February 07, 2008, 01:44:01 AM
Sorry to hear you're in so much pain again /c:  Has your PT examined you for tendonitis (if you push on the patellar tendon, it hurts...a lot)?  Hopefully you get answers and some relief soon!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on February 07, 2008, 01:48:21 AM
Is the pain in your knee or at the graft (TTT) site?  Both times I was banned from extension exercises for the first 6 weeks to allow proper knitting of the bone.

In anycase your PT should not allow you to do anything that causes this much pain.  You should hold off on any of the exercises that cause apin until you see your OS again.

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 07, 2008, 01:50:53 AM
So how did you do with your exercises today, still super painful?  Did you feel better taking a day off from the walking attempts?
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 07, 2008, 03:12:38 AM
The exercises were still super painful.  I felt okay before them though.  My PT has not examined my knee for tendonitis.  I know some of it is though.  I just don't know what would have caused it.  I have been PWB-WBAT the entire time. The pain is in and around my knee.  It is not the TTT site.  I did once have pain there for a while, but it has all gone away.  This is definitely not pain from surgery.  I will get some answers soon enough I guess.  It is all pretty frustrating.  The pain is holding me back big time. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: chromolume7 on February 07, 2008, 12:04:16 PM
The surgery can induce tendonitis, as I understand it.  Since they are moving everything around, the tendon is in the middle of all of that, potentially getting stretch a little or just being positioned in a way it wasn't previously.  Maybe mention to your PT that you think it's tendonitis (if you haven't already)? 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 07, 2008, 12:39:34 PM
Good morning!  I had to take 2 extra strength tylenol last night before bed.  The pain was just unbearable.  It helped through most of the night.  It wore off I guess around 3am when I woke up and couldn't go back to sleep for the rest of the night.  I should have taken more tylenol.  Anyway, I am doing okay today.  I am definately in more pain today than I was yesterday morning.  It is bearable though.  The constant pain is minimal.  It is when I move my leg around or bear weight that it gets severly painful. 

This morning I just realized that beginning on Friday, I will have no choice but to drive myself everywhere.  My PT didn't want me to for at least another 1.5 weeks!!  My sister has been picking me up every evening from work and taking me wherever I need to go.  Well now she starts her new job on Monday and can't help me anymore.  I have a very demanding schedule with my architecture job, coaching gymnastics, and therapy.  This weekend I have another gymnastics meet.  The two teams are split into two different days this time.  That will allow some rest between competitions at least.  One is friday night and the other is saturday morning.  I am staying with my mother in law out there b/c it is 1.5 hrs away from home.  Anyway, that's all for now. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: PELoughlin on February 07, 2008, 04:26:59 PM
Hi Farrah-

I'm nervous about your pain.  Not that this isn't painful but it seems like it's going in the wrong direction for you which is why it keeps making me nervous.  I wonder if you took one day and really gave your leg a rest and did the minimum of PT exercises but stopped right when it started hurting if you could at least isolate whether the pain is related to overdoing and pushing too hard or whether it's something continuous and worth getting to your OS more quickly.  Just a thought!!! Mostly, I hope things start to turn a corner for you-it's been a rough couple of weeks.   Ellie
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 07, 2008, 06:13:59 PM
Ellie, thanks for your concern.  I plan on taking it easy today at least.  I used one crutch with brace for the first two hours of the morning.  My PT said that if it hurt at all, then pick up the other crutch and use 2.  So it started hurting, so I did just that.  Since then I have been using both crutches with minimal weight bearing.  I would love to stop my PT exercises at home once it started to hurt, but that would mean not doing much.  I feel like I won't progress at all without doing all of them.  Oh well.  My PT doesn't seem too concerned...I guess b/c he doesn't know where the pain is coming from. I really don't think I need to go to the OS early.  Maybe I should call them.  I don't know...I will think abou it.  One more week won't kill me...I don't think. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on February 07, 2008, 06:27:31 PM
Rule 1 is if it causes pain DON'T DO IT.  And your PT shoud be concerned since he can not pinpoint where the pain is coming from.  How does he know the exercises are not causing damage?  They are causing pain and that is a warning sign that it is not OK. 

Throughout my Saga (yes it has gone on and on and on) it has been stressed to me that if something hurts don't do it.  Maybe it would be smart to back off for a few days until you talk to you OS and find out what is causing and why you are in so much pain.  You do not want to take any chances. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 07, 2008, 06:32:12 PM
Okay, so I made the call to my OS.  I left a message for the Doc and his PA.  So I will keep ya'll posted on what he says. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 07, 2008, 06:34:34 PM
Hey Farrah
I know it is hard to have people telling you to slow down and not do too much but it does make sense.  I am so stubborn that when my husband and family tell me that I cringe.  We are all similar in that we want to keep moving ahead but it doesn't see right for you to be in so much pain.  From the sounds of it you are well ahead of where you should be and you can afford to take it slow and give your body a break (nevermind the mental stress of it).  If you are at all in doubt do call your OS and maybe he can check in with your PT and figure out what is up.  Do not feel bad about calling that  is what Dr.'s are there for and if something is going on they should want to know.
Have a good afternoon-I am sad today b/c my sister has to leave today and it has been so great having her here.
Sending smiles from CT
Carol

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on February 07, 2008, 06:39:06 PM
Smart move.  I went back and read what I wrote and I did not mean to be so blunt.

You remind me of... well me. I had a text book recevery from my 1st TTT.  I went into my 2nd thinking I would have the same but it has been nothing but one big complication.  No one is exactly sure what i did to cause this since i followed that same post op protocal as the 1st time.  Bad luck I guess.   I would hate to see you do too much to fast or try to push through too much pain and end up with any complications.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 07, 2008, 06:50:07 PM
Don't worry about it!  All of you guys are helping me out.  I just want to get stronger.  I have been listening to my pain this week and have not been walking too much or anything.  It is just those darn exercises!  Every time I do them, I want to cry...then my knee kills for hours later and then through the night.  From all of your diaries/posts, I have learned that you guys don't experience this.  So it is obviously not suppose to be like this. I am just usually not one to complain to my OS outside of apts...ever!!  I just don't like to make a deal out of something that could be nothing. Thanks for all of your help/concern everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: PELoughlin on February 07, 2008, 08:10:03 PM
I hate hearing you're in so much pain too!!!! I think we're all this community of overdoers...it's hard not to want to keep improving every day.  I'm right there with you.  I think partly the reason i'm not in as much pain is because i wasn't allowed to do much for the first 6 weeks (which end tomorrow.  YIPPEE!!!!) and so i'll just be seeing what it is that hurts and what doesn't.  I can do SLR's but I'm not sure how i'll do with walking-every knee is different and once you've got the green light that it's okay from your OS, at least you'll not have the emotional worry to go with the physical pain.  Cause truly, I'm not sure which of those is worse so getting rid of one ought to help somewhat!!!!  Hang in there-I'm rooting for you! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 08, 2008, 03:02:52 AM
Hello everyone.  I am depressed!  My OS didn't call back!   >:(  :(  I just finished my PT exercises and am in a lot of pain.  I have been pretty much NWB all day with 2 crutches.  I have been pretty sad all day long with not much to say to anybody.  I yelled at my gymnasts a lot today while gritting my teeth sitting on a mat in tons of pain.  One of the girls noticed, but I lied so she wouldn't worry about me.  There is nothing worse than a 10 year old worried about me!!  The other coaches noticed and were concerned and made me cry when they started asking me what was wrong.  I am calling my OS tomorrow again and will quit therapy next week if he doesn't call me back.  I don't want to go through it anymore!!!  I want to just take some sleeping medicine and sleep for a few days!!!!!  That is how I feel right now.  I have not been very nice to my husband either.  He cares about me, but all I do is ask him to leave me alone.  That is not the way it is suppose to be.  On top of all of this I have no ride to my gymnastics meet tomorrow, so I have to drive myself to work (my PT specifically said no driving for at least another week). After work I have to drive for another 2 hrs to my gymnastics meet to stand on my feet for the rest of the night.  Then I have to drive a short distance to my mother-in-law's to spend the night....all this to go back to another meet on Saturday morning to stand up for another several hours!  Then I have to drive 2 hrs back on Saturday afternoon.  So I will probably be feeling a lot worse by Saturday evening.  I don't have a choice.  I HATE THIS!  I will post tomorrow if/when my OS calls me back.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 08, 2008, 08:55:59 AM
It's the early morning of Day 31.  It is 3:55am and apparently the percocet I had to take last night has worn off.  I can't take another b/c I have to drive in 3 hours to go to work. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 08, 2008, 05:41:16 PM
Farrah....
I just read your nice post on my diary and then got to yours from last night and this morning.  What a stinky 24 hours for you.  UGH I am so sorry and I hope your OS calls back to give you some sort of direction on this little bunp you have hit (yes we will just call it a LITTLE bump).  You have got a crazy weekend and I hope you can take people up on any help they offer (it's is hard to do I know).
I am home elevating b/c of my blood clot relapse so I am going to be looking for news from you and hoping your day makes a turn for the better.  Call your OS again if you don't hear back b/c you don't want to be stuck all weekend without any guidance.

Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 08, 2008, 05:54:28 PM
I called my OS's office again.  They said they hadn't responded yet b/c they were in clinic all afternoon through late evening yesterday and again this morning.  So hopefully I will get a call back this afternoon.  Today my pain has been off and on.  I have mainly been walking with 2 crutches all day.  I just got back from my first trip to the grocery store since my surgery.  Since I had to drive to work today I went during my lunch break.  I had to stock up on candy for my popular candy bowl at my desk.  I hadn't stocked up in over 1 month.  It was getting pretty low. I walked through the store with 1 crutch and a little basket for the groceries.  It wasn't bad.  That was the first time all day I have walked with 1 crutch.  It hurt if I bent my knee the slightest bit while bearing weight.  By the way, driving sucks!!!  I just beg the cars in front of me not to hit their brakes.  I can do it, but it hurts.  I am very scared of how I will be from now until the end of tomorrow with all of my activities I have to do.  Oh..I just realized I forgot to by tylenol!  UGH!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 08, 2008, 07:24:06 PM
Well it is 2:30 almost and I am off to my long gymnastics 24 hours!  I may not be able to post tonight, but I will tomorrow.  Hopefully my OS calls me. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 08, 2008, 07:33:51 PM
Okay try to take it easy though.  I hope the meet goes well.  Plan something nice and relaxing for Sunday night.
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: PELoughlin on February 08, 2008, 08:06:12 PM
I hope they call back soon!!! I do think something is up that's not quite right.....and it will be nice to know.  and get at least the worrying off of your mind!  Be careful this weekend.  and get the girls to wait on you :)  Good luck to your team...let me know how they do.  I'm thinking about you and if you need to vent....just come on and complain-we're all here-i drove 3 hours today and I'm actually feeling okay, but that's the pleasure of it being my left leg!!! Hang in there Farrah-thinking about you.  Ellie
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 09, 2008, 03:50:55 AM
Hello guys.  So my "really awesome" OS didn't call me back!  I called them twice today to make sure I get a call back.  They kept saying yes....well I guess yes in their language means no!  So I am pretty frustrated with that.  I will call them again on Monday...and complain!  He is one of the top surgeons in the US, but can't seem to call patients back. 

My meet ended around 9:30pm and I am now at my mother-in-law's checking e-mail and such.  I left work around 2:30pm and arrived around 4:00pm. I was in traffic...so a lot of stop and go!!  For a right knee surgery, that sucks!  Anyway, I have been in pain most of the day today.  I have taken tylenol every 4 hrs since the beginning of the meet to make sure I could get through it.  I made it, but it was difficult.  One of the girls needed help on a back walkover on the beam (for gymnastics fans).  I threw my crutches down, hobbled over to her and put my hand up to spot.  She didn't need me to touch her (thank goodness).  After the skill, I had to step off the mat and didn't even think about it and stepped down with my bad leg first!!!!!  OOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHH!!  One of the judges asked me if I was okay afterwards b/c she noticed I was in pain.  My knee gave out and killed.  I am doing okay comparatively speaking now.  Thank goodness for the tylenol I guess.  I still can't do my exercises, so I have decided to skip them tonight.  I have to make it through another meet tomorrow morning..so no extra pain for me tonight!!! 

My team got 2nd place tonight!!  I had several event and all-around winners!!  I saw a lot of older gymnastics world friends/coaches tonight.  My old coach was there with her team.  So that was weird coaching against her!!!  One of her gymnasts is one that I used to coach when she was very young.  Her family lives in my parent's neighborhood.  We have known them for years and have always been good friends.  So I saw the whole family tonight.  I also saw the owner of her gym there.  This was the first time to see her for about 5 years!!  So needless to say, I had to describe my surgery to all of them!!!!  I was tired of it.  The way the gymnastics world goes, is that many gyms go to the same competitions all over the state and some out of state.  So this was my 2nd meet on crutches and most of the coaches are getting used to it.  So I won't have to explain next weekend at the next meet hopefully. 

I guess that is it for now!!  I will post again tomorrow!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: PELoughlin on February 09, 2008, 02:05:51 PM
Hey Farrah-

I'm so sorry your OS didn't call back!  The gymnastics meet sounds fantastic for your girls....but no so good for you!  Wow, that must have hurt a lot.  I drove almost 3 hours yesterday to get up to some meetings I was having at my college in New Hampshire, went to meetings, dinner, got done and found out my daughter broke her hand yesterday...so I left and turned around and drove the 3 hours home.  It was a bit much on the knee but i wanted to be here for her....i must say, i'm in a bit of pain today!!! Oh well.  anyway, let us know if your OS calls!!!!  Ellie
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 09, 2008, 10:04:44 PM
Hey Ellie!  That stinks about your daughter's hand!!  Is she in a cast?? Or what is the deal with it? 

My meet went great today!  We got 1st place!!!  I am so proud of my girls.  I also had 2 overall individual winners and some other high placements.  My knee held up pretty well today.  It was mainly achy and of course painful during the usual motions of extension of any type, too much weight bearing, wrong steps, and being hit on it!  Today another coach was getting my attention while my leg was extended while sitting on the floor.  She hit my bad knee of all places to get my attention.  That was a long 30 minutes of pain!!  She felt horrible.  I did try walking with brace without crutches some more today.  I could do it for only about 5-10 minutes.  I then went back to 1 crutch and experienced pain on the outside of my knee cap.  So I was on 2 most of the rest of the meet with about 0-80% weight bearing.  My knee is throbbing right now and it seems that the tylenol isn't helping at all today.  Oh well.  It is all tolerable.  I haven't iced since yesterday afternoon!! So I need a good elevation and icing right about now!  I imagine I won't hear back from my OS at all.  I am now debating on whether or not to call on Monday.  I still can't do my exercises or bear weight while attempting to walk normally.  So my pain issues are still a problem.  I can walk with my leg locked and kept straight, but as soon as I try walking normally, it gives out or just stinkin' hurts.  I don't have as bad of an attitude today.  I guess b/c I haven't had therapy since Wednesday!!  Not looking forward to it on MOnday.  Maybe I will call my OS just to see if I can not go to PT!  I will post again later!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 10, 2008, 02:18:43 AM
I know I just posted a few hours ago, but I wanted to post that I am not not able to put hardly any weight down at all right now even with my brace on and with 2 crutches.  It kills around my knee cap and under it. 

Do any of you guys with this surgery have any of the problems as I have???  I figured maybe my doc didn't call me b/c it is normal to experience this much pain at this point.  It is hard to compare to some of you guys b/c your protocol is different as far as how long until you can be WBAT or FWB.  The pain isn't always constant though...so maybe that is also why my OS didn't call me....I guess I am making excuses for them.  Please let me know....thanks!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 10, 2008, 02:36:53 AM
Hi Farrah
I was just wondering how you were doing and your post popped up.  I am so bugged that your OS didn't call back yesterday b/c I think you really need to get some of these questions answered and even if the response is that yes it is normal you can stop worrying about it.  How big is you OS practice, could you call the answering service and see who is even on call tonight and tomorrow. It sounds like you should get in there Monday morning-when was your next appt..Wednesday.  I am a few days behind you and different post op instructions plus I have not been doing some of the tough stuff you have with your job, coaching and traveling....But instincts say that it shouldn't be so very paunful.  There may be something up or they may say your body is  telling you to slow down but you won't know until you get to talk to them. 
I too am always so worried and intimidates about calling in case it is unecessary but in your case you have had a long tough week and need to check everything out....
I'll be up for a little while so send me a PM or post again if you need to. 

Like I said it might make you feel better just knowing if the Dr. on call is one you are familiar with.  My Dr. reminded me (after my blood clot was diagnosed and I had talked to her about feeling like I shouldn't bother her on the weekend with non-urgent things) that IT IS HER JOB to worry about these things.
Carol
PS WHat does your mother-in-law and husband think?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on February 10, 2008, 02:48:05 AM
Farrah, 

To be honest (and from experience) I think you have done TOO MUCH TOO FAST. 

Spending 2 days on you feet, as active as you were, after you have been having so many pain issues was asking too much.  I can't stress enough that the 1st rule is IF IT CAUSES PAIN DON"T DO IT....Wait until you get direction from your OS.  The best thing you can do is plant your butt on the sofa and rest the knee until you can reach your os. ***No PT exercises that cause pain***

I don't mean to be so harsh but i can't seem to get it through to you that you can't rush this.  You are barely 4 weeks out...time to realize you need to heal which means you need to slow down.

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 10, 2008, 02:57:02 AM
KW, I understand all of what you are saying, but I have not had a choice but to be active lately.  At the meets I sat down as much as I could, but still had to walk around.  I feel like I have been taking it easy except for driving.  I am out a lot, but while I am out, I try to take care of myself by sitting as much as possible.  My OS said WBAT at my 2 week PO visit and my PT said 1 crutch if it doesn't hurt.  So when it does hurt, I pick up the other crutch.  I am following all the rules....except the driving.  When I drive, I have my seat so far forward, that I don't have to extend my leg.  I use my ankle.  My OS said I could start driving whenever I wanted, but my PT said not for another week from about Wednesday of last week.  My protocol says 1 crutch with no brace, and my PT says 1 crutch with brace.  I am doing all of what my PT is saying since it is more conservative.  Most of my pain is from PT exercises.  Once I do 1 thing that my knee doesn't like, then I have more pain for a while....it is more sensitive with weight bearing and stuff.  I am trying as hard as I can!  I feel like I am taking it easy. I have a busy life, but am sitting as much as I can during it.  I don't know what else I can do besides put my life on hold, which I can't afford. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on February 10, 2008, 03:11:36 AM
Farrah, 

I never said you were not following protocol but it is also not written in stone.  It is just so important to listen to your body.  You sound like you are in pain but you keep going and going.  You need time to recover.  I know what it is like to have your life on hold (and not have a chioce)...Mine has been pretty much on hold since July 07.  I ended up with a nasty complication form a Apirl 07 TTT and the complication was most likely caused by doing too much.  I was just suggesting you try to take it easy until you talk to you OS. 

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 10, 2008, 03:23:43 AM
Karen, I understand.  I am trying hard to take it easy.  I just can't stop my work and coaching.  When I am home, I am glued to my couch no matter how I feel.  When I am out, my leg is up as much as possible.  Over the last few days, I have hardly tried to walk without crutches at all!! If I try, it is usually going from one end of a room to another instead of taking the time to pick up my crutches to walk 10ft.  I keep my leg straight though so it won't give out and hurt.  I have also been mostly on 2 crutches lately.  I am sure as many of us know, it is too hard to not break a little rule now and then.  Anyway, I guess that is all i can say right now.   In case you can't tell from the typed up post, I am not angry or anything.  I just feel like I am trying to be as careful as I can be....I am just busy. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 10, 2008, 01:50:35 PM
Good Morning Farrah

Before I drag myself onto the floor and start my PT exercises I wanted to get a quick note off to you.  I hope you have a wonderful and pain-free Sunday.  Perhaps the sun is even out in Atlanta (it is not here but I could live vicariously) and you can enjoy the weather.
Hang in there.  What day was your surgery?  Jan 6 or 7th?  I guess you are officilly 4 or 5 days ahead of me!

Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 10, 2008, 02:05:31 PM
Hey Carol, my surgery was Jan 8th.  It seems that you and I have the same morning schedules.  We are always on here at the same time.  Anyway, I didn't sleep through the night again.  I just can't ever get comfortable enough.  Anytime I shift positions at night, I wake up b/c it hurts.  I wish we had more control during sleeping!  :)   Other than that, I am doing well this morning.  I am usually my best in the mornings and slowly deteriorate through the day.  So right now I can actually walk without crutches if I tried...it would just be wobbly.  I also know that if I did that, then I would be in a great deal of pain for the rest of the day.  So I will hold off for another week or so.  My OS apt is creeping up (Feb 15)  and I am getting nervous since I wasn't able to talk to them.  So you have an OS apt tomorrow?  It seems like you just had one...I guess it is due to your blood clots.

It is amazing how all of us on this website live similar lives right now...PT exercises, PT apts, OS appointments.  I love how we all kind of keep track of each other and root for one another.   I really love this website!  I really don't know what I would do without it. 

I want to bake something for my PT!!  Maybe he will take it easy on me tomorrow.  Wishful thinking I guess. 

Tuesday will be 5 weeks PO!!!  My OS has a patient that started tennis at the beginning of February after her Fulkerson surgery was only on Dec 13th!!  He was hoping that I would be in that same situation.  From my 10 day appointment, a lot has changed.  I had so many good things back then!  I think my ROM was what he was most happy about.  I am a little off track now I guess.  For those that didn't have a drain in during surgery and after, do you still have a lot of swelling at 5 weeks?  My knee still looks like a grapefruit...no exaggeration.  Anyway, so far so good for today.  I will be off to work in a little while.  Happy Sunday!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: chromolume7 on February 10, 2008, 03:26:52 PM
Farrah,

To me, it really doesn't sound like you're at all behind schedule.  My surgery was Dec. 17th and I promise you, there's no way I'm playing tennis any time soon.  My knee was never really swollen (I just don't swell much in general), but I still have slight swelling now.  I know it's hard to hear, but take it easy and let the leg heal.  You might even have to give up doing some things so that your leg has the opportunity to heal.  I'm guessing most people in this situation have had that choice.  Just as an example, I'm a photographer and I've had to give up 4 or 5 gallery opportunities in the past couple of months.  At the time, it was a really hard choice, but I think if i had gone through with any of them I just would have delayed the healing process

Hope you have a pain free Sunday!

-Lauren

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 10, 2008, 04:17:05 PM
Hello everyone, I decided not to go to work today...it is part of my "taking it easy Sunday."  The only reason I have had to go in on the weekends is to make up for those 2 weeks I had off after surgery. 

I am so worried about my therapy tomorrow.  I will focus on minimizing my pain today so maybe it won't be so bad tomorrow.  All I have to do today is go watch tennis.  That is sitting on my butt with my leg up.  I hope we win!!  It is in my neighborhood, so I won't have to drive too far.  Have a good one everyone. 

It sounds like people are getting mad at me on this site b/c I keep complaining and seem to do nothing about it.  Just so ya'll know, that I am trying to minimize my pain as much as possible. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: chromolume7 on February 10, 2008, 04:25:08 PM
I can't speak for everyone, but I'm not mad.  This is exactly the right place to complain (I know I do).  I think what people are trying to say though is that if you have the opportunity to be proactive about something to prevent pain, do so.  Work, coaching, etc. are less important than your health, no matter what it seems like sometimes.  I realize that it's much easier said than done.

-Lauren
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 10, 2008, 04:29:00 PM
It is a lot easier said than done.  My gymnastics team is in the middle of the competition season right now.  I could lose my architecture job if I miss much more work.  If I lose the job, then there goes my insurance.  When I am at work, I am careful...at least I try.  I really don't feel like I am that bad off.  I am usually not in constant pain unless I step wrong or whatever.  As long as I don't move too much, I am fine.  When I am in constant pain it is b/c I was standing for too long, b/c I tried walking, doing my PT exercises, or things like that.  I am relaxing most of today, so it shouldn't be a problem today...hopefully.  Thanks for the conerns.  Ya'll are really awesome.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 10, 2008, 04:41:47 PM
Hey there
I am definitely not mad either and good for you staying home today-elevate and ice the day away, okay?
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: PELoughlin on February 10, 2008, 05:15:28 PM
i'm actually sort of the opposite of mad!!! I got concerned because your pain didn't seem to be the "achiness" that tends to come from overdoing it, but more the sharp pains that come with something being wrong.  I'm guessing there's not a person on this site who hasn't overdone it-pushed themselves harder than their knee allows for something. Whether it's work or kids or a passion that eats at us, we all want to be further along and tend to not "hear" our doctors or friends and honestly, half the time someone tells me it's better to rest or not do something, it just makes me mad anyway because I feel like they don't understand how hard it is to be laid up anyway.  We all are fantastic at telling others to take it easy and rest...I bet you're even good at it.  However, when it comes to applying it to ourselves, we tend to stink at it.  In our minds, we know the right answer for our legs....it's following our minds that ends up causing problems, at least for me!  So, please know that people express concern either because they're worried it's something more or because they know the "right" thing, even if it's not what gets followed in real life.  If there's someone who never ever overdid, then that person is totally free to get mad or judgmental, i just know I'm not in that category!!!

Thanks for your concerns about my daughter.  She's doing okay-she's a bit bummed at missing a month of meets but she's being really brave.  She is going to practice in 2-3 hour doses 5 times a week instead of the 4 hour doses and will just do conditioning, flexibility and dance stuff plus a bit of beam without the parts on her hands.  And she'll catch up-i think she realizes her states won't be great this year, but she's okay as long as she doesn't fall behind too much on learning new skills etc....she'll just do a bit more towards the end of the season than she would have before.  Our family looks like quite a disaster walking around-her with the sling and splint, me on crutches.  My husband keeps thinking people must think he's doing something to us!!!! Alas, we're just clutzy....

Hang in there Farrah-I'm glad you're taking it easy but I still think that your sharp pain is more than just overdoing it-that's why i want you to get in to the dr....  Ellie
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on February 10, 2008, 06:50:02 PM
Farrah,

How large is your firm?   I think from the posts you are in the US, and if your firm has more than 50 people in it, they cannot fire you for missing work for medical reasons.

I too, went back to work too soon after surgery because of work issues several years ago, but have regretted it ever since.  I know it all seems so important, but you only have one chance to recover.    Can you at least get your husband or another coach to help out with the driving at least?

Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 10, 2008, 08:40:18 PM
My firm has only 35 employees.  I feel like they could just make up a reason to get rid of me if they wanted.  I do a good job there, but not only have I missed 2 weeks after surgery, but I leave early for PT twice a week and have left home sick once since then with severe knee pain. I make up all of my time, but they don't see me there while I am doing that.  So the thought of getting fired is just resting in the back of my mind.  I live in GA, so the laws are different about reasons to fire someone.  You can say they are wearing ugly shoes and fire them for that.  It's legal here. 

I have had help with driving for the last 4 weeks and no longer have the help.   My husband can take me to work everyday, but he can't pick me b/c he has school at night.  He would have to leave his office 1hr early twice a week to take me to PT every week and that would be putting his job on the line.  He has been very busy at work and every minute counts.  His boss has been nice about it so far, but his patience is running thin.  I am okay with the driving as long as my seat is all the way up so I can use my ankle instead of my entire leg.  I can hit the gas and break fine as long as I don't have to lift my leg too much.  I have the reaction, it just hurts if I do it too much.  For the next week or so, I will be only driving where I need to...no extras.  My OS said before surgery that I could drive at 2 weeks!  So I planned my life around that two weeks.  Then my PT said no way!  So he gave me about a total of 4 weeks.  Well he keeps pushing it back by a week.  I wasn't prepared for this long of needing assistance.  I know now...so once I have my other knee done, I will hopefully know what to expect.  Of course the left one will allow me to drive earlier as long as I am not on pain meds.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 10, 2008, 10:26:00 PM
Hi Farrah
I hope you thoroughly enjoyed your day of taking it easy at home. 
I liked reading Ellie's post to you b/c I think she has a great way of wording things. What she said about us all being much better at telling others to take it easy than actually doing it ourself is so true.  Especially when you are worrying about time spent away from your day job and coaching-so I  feel very badly that you have this added stress of worrying about driving to and from work and juggling how much time you can miss.  That is a lot of added stress and you definitely have the right to feel frustrated. 
Have a good long talk with your PT tomorrow and I vote for putting abother call into the OS.  Like Ellie said it could mean something is not right and if that were to be the case then the sooner you check it out the better.
Sorry I am not wanting to sound nagging b/c like Ellie said we can all tell someone else what to do....but still have a hard time with the obstacles in our own recovery!
Carol
PS  What kind of architect are you?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 10, 2008, 10:45:19 PM
Today is going okay.  I have been home most of the day.  I went out to watch tennis around 2pm-3:30pm.  It was so beautiful outside.  It has been in the mid-60s today.  So while I was out, the bottom of my shoe got caught on something and ripped.  So then I went home for a little while and then went back out to buy some new athletic shoes that I have been needing for a long time anyway.  So I went to one store that had a blackout...so I couldn't shop there.  I walked around on 1 crutch there...it didn't hurt at first.  Then I got back in my car and drove to sports authority (all are near each other).  Since by then my knee hurt from 1 crutch, I had to give in to 2!  I was mad about that, but I am over it.  Now I am home icing with my leg elevated.  The ice feels good right now.  I may hook up to my tens unit in a little while if it still hurts.   It is mainly achy pain, but there is some sharp as well if I move my knee at all.  I can't put any weight down right now b/c of the sharp pain.  So I am chilling for the rest of the night.  My husband just left to go study with a friend for a test he has next week.  So I finally have some peace and quiet.  The dogs are outside too.  Unfortunately this means that I am home alone for dinner.  So I will have to either stand and make myself something or go through drive through somewhere.  Both cause pain.  So I will figure it out. 

I am a high rise residential architect.  We mainly have projects in Buckhead ("ritzy" atlanta) and parts of the Florida coast.  I love it.  I have only been at my current firm for about 7-8 mos.  That is why it is difficult for me to take so much time off.  If I had been there for longer, then I wouldn't be so worried.  My current gymnastics place I have only been working at since May as well.  So both my jobs are new to me.  My gymnastics is good about me missing, but since we are in the middle of the season, I am responsible for my team.  If I am not there, then the girls will lose concentration b/c their coach isn't helping them get prepared.  I can't bear the thought of throwing all of our hard work down the drain like that.  I raised most of my surgery money from private lessons to prepare for the season.  That is how important the season was.  The parents all wanted me to work with their children privately to get the extra 1 on 1 practice in.  I worked my butt off for the few months before my surgery.  Now I am still working hard with it b/c of gymnastics meets 2-3 weekends a month.  It's fun though.  I am just getting tired of not being able to spot or move equipment around.  I am still doing good at coaching.  My event is Floor...they all have their skills.  So I pretty much can sit on the side with my leg elevated and yell at the girls.  Not too bad.  Since I coach at the end of the day, my knee is usually killing me around my knee cap and under it pretty badly.  So I sometimes ice while I am coaching.  See...I am taking it easy :) 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 10, 2008, 10:55:36 PM
Ellie, how did your daughter hurt her hand?  Is it gymnastics related?  I bet she is sooooo bummed about having to miss a lot!!!  I hurt my back when I was a gymnast.  That is why I had to quit during Junior year of high school.  I had spondyloysis and spondylolisthesis (sp?) which caused a fracture in my back.  Once the fracture healed after 3-4 months, the pain never went away (even now).  So for about a year I was trying to recover and get back into competition.  My doctor finally told me that I had to quit.  So I did!  I was depressed for so long after that.  That is why I am so involved now.  Since I quit in 1998, I have been playing around with tumbling and everything.  If I wasn't injured right now, I would still be able to do a roundoff bhs back layout, front handspring front tuck, front hs front layout full twist, and other skills.  Into a pit, I can do a double front tuck!  I haven't done any of that since around September 2007.  It did hurt my knees, but it was before I started going back to the doctor....even before I thought of going back.  I could even do a psukahara vault (sp?).  I am sure you know what all these skills are.  Since my knees were so bad and weren't getting any better, I figured it wouldn't hurt to play at gymnastics.  I still can walk on my hands all the way down and back the floor.  I can't wait to do that all again...although my doctor said I will probably never get to run again or demonstrate gymnastics ever again!  So if I won't be able to do those anyway, I better be able to live without any knee pain at least!!!  Tell your daughter I said to do tons of conditioning!!  That is what I make my injured girls do when they can't participate in an event :)

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: PELoughlin on February 10, 2008, 11:30:38 PM
Well, I wish my daughter could claim a glamorous fall.  She was walking on the floor at the gym and tripped off the edge and jammed her finger which broke the bone in her hand.  She should only be out 4 weeks and they're with you on the conditioning...2-3 hours 5 times a week!!!!  She'll stay in good shape and will do dance and beam (except the stuff on her hands)  Luckily for her, her vault is her strongest event, so even though it's hardest on the hands, she'll come back pretty quickly.  I think because it's only her hand and only a month, she'll not get in too bad of a place and hopefully will miss 2 or at the most 3 meets of the 5 that are left. 

I'm amazed that as an adult you can do all that stuff still!!!  That's amazing!!!  I can't even do a cartwheel anymore! 

How's the pain today???  I've been walking around the house with nothing on (i'm 11 days ahead of you) and it feels pretty good-although I'm about to go outside in the snow and I'm taking the crutches for that part...but still, nice to be around the house for the first time in 6 weeks without crutches!!!!  Ellie
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 10, 2008, 11:38:11 PM
Hey Ellie,

Your daughter will be the strongest one on the team when her hand heals!  I have a 9 year old that may have fractured her back!  She gets a CT scan in a few days!  I can't believe she would have done that so young.  She is very flexible in her back, so I imagine that is why it happened.  Well she has been working on a lot of conditioning.  She comes for the entire practice every night we have it.  Once she has done enough conditioning, she works on her weakest skills on beam or bars.  She is fine on those events.  I am just glad that her mom finally took her to the doctor after complaining for over a month! 

My pain has been mainly achy.  At the moment, I am walking around the house with 2 crutches and hardly bearing any weight.  My pain is about a 6 or 7 right now.  Some of it is sharp pain.  The achiness comes and goes.  It just depends on what I do.  The sharp pain is always around.  Since I had to go to the store today, that is why it hurts.  I iced a little while ago and will ice again later.  I am about to go buy myself something for dinner since my husband isn't here.  I am taking two crutches and going through drive through.  Have a good night!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 11, 2008, 01:06:52 PM
Tomorrow is 5 weeks PO!  I have been struggling with lots of things.  I am pretty much completely on 2 crutches with brace.  I keep trying 1 crutch and it hurts the outside of my knee cap too much.  I feel like I am going backwards.  Every morning I walk around my bedroom without crutches or brace (I lean on stuff).  Well my knee is getting very wobbly again.  So I didn't do it too much this morning.  I plan on calling my OS around 9am to see if they can finally call me back at least before PT tonight.  Maybe they will take me seriously this time.  I have learned that if I sit somewhere and don't reposition myself too much, then I am fine.  Last night I was on the couch for about 4-5 hours straight.  I iced occassionally. I felt fine sitting there, but as soon as I stood up and tried to walk with/without crutches, I couldn't do it.  It hurt toomuch.  Anyway, I hope everyone has a good day today.

Carol...good luck again.  I can't wait to hear from you about your OS apt!
Ellie...have a great day!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 11, 2008, 02:20:50 PM
So I left another message for my OS.  This is what I left on my message:

Physical therapy pain is very sharp and unbearable around my knee cap and tends to last for days after. The ultram er and tylenol isn't helping.  I have PT this evening and would appreciate a call back this time.  I left a message last week and never heard back. I do have a PO apt this Friday, but I have been experiencing this for a few weeks now and can't handle it anymore. 

The lady put this message in as urgent this time.  So if they don't call me back this time, then I will have a huge problem with them! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 11, 2008, 06:43:51 PM
Good for you Farrah-I hope you hear back.  I will be waiting to hear...
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 12, 2008, 02:33:56 AM
After my pathetic sounding message to my OS, still no call back!!  UGH!!  I asked my therapist why he wouldn't call and he said there should be no excuse.  My PT was glad that I was calling my doc though since I am in so much pain during my PT and now can hardly put any weight down on my surgery leg.  My OS is pissing me off, and if he wasn't so great, I'd find another one.  I have called on Thursday, Friday, and then again today and still no calls back.  I hate to wait for my apt on Friday b/c I have another PT appointment on Wednesday.  I want to get some feedback about PT. 

Speaking of PT, I had it tonight.  I couldn't sleep last night b/c I was so afraid that I'd go through what I went through last Wednesday.  I went in to PT with an okay attitude and made it clear that I am not happy with how much pain I am in.   I asked him, "when is this sharp pain suppose to go away." He has made it clear to me that I am not suppose to be feeling like that at all.  So that all made me feel better about calling my OS.  He told me I should call again tomorrow. 

So as far as exercises go, he took 4-5 away tonight and added 1...leg presses.....very very light ones.  At first they hurt.  So he changed a setting and then it was more bearable.  I only had to do 10.  I was actually surprised that I could do it.  While I was doing the leg presses, my PT laid down on the floor next to me to talk to me about my weekend.  He did this to get my mind off the pain...I think it worked.  Like I said, it wasn't too bad anyway.  While I do my exercises, my PT always looks at my face to see what kind of expression of pain I am making.  So I always look down so he can't see it.  I hate expressing that visually.  So he always sits under me during the beginning of any exercises  so that he can see if it hurts too much.  I think that is weird.  I guess he doesn't trust that I would tell him.  Anyway, he is disappointed that I am still using 2 crutches.  I am going to be so embarrassed on Friday if I go to my OS still with them.  They did say I could be either without crutches by now or with at least 1 and no brace.  I am with 2 with brace.  My PT doesn't want me to try bearing too much weight without the brace at this point.  I am in so much pain at the moment when I bear even the slightest amount of weight.  If I take a step and my knee is bent just a tiny bit, I want to pass out from the pain.  It is around my knee cap.  This just sucks and feels like it is getting worse by the week.  I could hardly drive tonight after PT....I had no choice.  I have been on the couch ever since I got home.  I will be breaking out my personal tens unit later.  I hope everyone else is doing okay!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on February 12, 2008, 02:50:38 AM
Farrah,

Sorry to hear you still have so much pain and that you have not gotten a call back from your OS.  At least you will see him at the end of the week...not too much longer til then.

Obviously you are doing what you can to cut down on activity, but I really think you should not be driving.  This could really be irratating your leg.  Plus, its not only a matter of the pain you have in your leg from driving, it really is a safety issue for others.  If you are in that much pain then you might not be able to break in the case of someone in front of you slamming on their breaks.  When I had my right TTT back in October 06 I could not drive for 6 weeks, it was a pain for sure, but my OS just did not feel like my leg was ready for driving and he did not feel it would be safe for me to be driving.  Looking back I know he was right on that one. 

Good luck and I hope you make it through the rest of the week okay.

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 12, 2008, 02:51:16 AM
Hi Farrah,
I know I also jsut sent you another note but what is a personal tens unit?  So sorry you are in so much pain tonight?  Can you take  anything  for it?
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 12, 2008, 06:06:39 PM
Carol, I copied thsi definition from a website:

"TENS" is the acronym for Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation. A "TENS unit" is a pocket size, portable, battery-operated device that sends electrical impulses to certain parts of the body to block pain signals.

The electrical currents produced are mild, but can prevent pain messages from being transmitted to the brain and may raise the level of endorphins (natural pain killers produced by the brain).

Electrodes are attached to the surface of the skin over or near the area where you are experiencing pain.

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Mine helps some, but there is a setting at my PT's office that really helps. My back doctor actually prescribed me one for my back a long long time ago. My insurance paid for 100% of it.  Now I have that one and a rented one with special settings for Post op patients.  I will be returning that one soon and just use the one I own. 

Brianne, my OS said I could have driven at 2 weeks, but I was too afraid.  He said I had a left foot for emergency.  I didn't accept that and just didn't drive until this past Friday.  My PT wasn't happy about it, but I don't have a choice.  I have had this pain even before I started driving again. 

So my OS still hasn't called.  I called them back again this morning and complained a little before I started to feel like crying.  I changed my apt to the earliest available which is Thursday at 3pm instead of Friday at 11:30am.  Meanwhile I will still wait to hear back from my OS.  I will not be holding my breathe. I feel like I could leave a message that I am dying and they will just tell me to call 911 and leave it at that.  I guess that would be IF they called me.   >:(

Well I hope everyone is doing well today. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on February 12, 2008, 06:25:08 PM
Farrah

   Thanks for the encouragement. I would love to have 65 weather at least the kids could either be at school or be enjoying nicer weather.  That really stinks that your OS has not called back.  Mine is great about calling back, well not him but either one of his nurses or his PA will call and answer my question when needed.  I would definetly talk to him about that when you see him and ask him if he got the messages!  It may be a office problem and the messages are not getting to who they need to get to.
   Thinking good thoughts your way hoping your pain subsides soon!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 12, 2008, 11:41:03 PM
Well I was ready to press the post button to post that my OS didn't call me again.  Well right before I pressed it my OS's PA called.  He told me not to go to PT tomorrow and he called me in a prescription for Darvocet for pain and lunesta for sleeping!  I am so happy to possibly get some relief from this.  I am so glad that I called in sick to coaching tonight from knee pain!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on February 13, 2008, 12:40:12 AM

At least you finally got a phone call......Good luck with your appointment on Thursday


Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on February 13, 2008, 05:57:30 AM
glad to hear you finally got a call.  Took them long enough!  I would have replied sooner but our power went out again and was out for 5 hours.  Thought we were going to have to hanker down tonight for a cold night.  Even got the kids all bundled down and sleeping together for body warmth.  Our power just came back on hoping it stays on!  Thankfully our house is warm still even after 5 hours of no power! 
   Please let us know how the apt goes.  CHeck my post for more infor about my problem tonight.
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 13, 2008, 01:02:10 PM
I am taking the morning off from work...,maybe even the day.  I had insurance problems that didn't allow me to take the Lunesta, so I took the darvocet before bed.  I was able to sleep pretty well until about 4am when it began to wear off and felt really bad.  So I wanted to take more darvocet, but I was worried about how I would feel with driving and staying awake at work.  So I am about to eat something and take some and make sure that I don't get really affected by it.  Usually meds don't affect me, but I was getting light headed last night.  I didn't know if it was just from being tired. Well I wish there was an easier way to take meds in the middle of the night!!!  My Ultram ER usually stays in my system for 24 hrs.  Which meant that I took it at night and it lasted through the night and day.  So right now I am dealing with both of my knees hurting and my back is killing me.  I wish I could take the Ultram and the darvocet!!

By the way, I am at 36 days PO!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 13, 2008, 03:21:28 PM
Wow Farrah...I just read all your posts about your pain and your doctor not calling you back. That is terrible. Im so surprised they arent calling you back when you are in that much pain.   I would have a serious talk with your OS on Thursday about that fact all by itself.  I work in a medical office. We call everyone back the same day.  THAT DAY...even if Im callng them back at lunch or after hours......sometimes...if it is a silly question...maybe the next morning...but that has to be a really silly question.....PAIN...we call back right away. Maybe it is because we are an OB office...but still.

The way you are feeling on teh darvocet is the way I feel. I dont think I could possibly drive OR work with this stuff on board. I feel warm...woozy.....sleepy...and...ha..cant type.   I did try to take only one yesterday and could function much better....so maybe you could take one and function...but I dont know if it will cut your pain.

Did your doctor tell you if you could take anything with the darvocet?  Mine told me I coudl take Advil with the darvocet.   He said I could just play with it and take as much as I needed.

Anyway. Im sorry you are in pain. I wish I had the answer....but I dont.  It is the pits. Hang in there....just know there is someone two hours away sitting with back and knee pain on an ice machine and darvocet just like you. It sucks.

Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 13, 2008, 03:39:05 PM
Hey Laura, thanks for your response.  My constant pain has subsided some.  I just still can't move my leg around very much or put much weight down.  I don't think any pain medicine could take that pain away.  It is very very sharp. 

I was pretty angry with my OS, but I am not a complainer usually.  If I would have started to complain, I would have ended in tears.  I pretty much was in tears once I finally talked to the PA.  I had a crack in my voice and he could tell.  He called me on his cell so now I have his number.  I was suppose to have it out of surgery, but he forgot to give it to me.  Well during the phone call it kept breaking up and cut off completely once.  He never heard one of my answers to a question.  He finally heard the answer when all I said was "yes" instead of my long explanation.  I can't believe it took them so long to call back.  My back doctor is nothing like that.  If I call before 3pm, I get a call that same day.  Sometimes I will call at 10am and hear back by 12pm.  Sometimes the nurse answers the phone right away and takes care of the problem immediately.  I love them!

My knee doctor said he didn't want me to take an anti-inflammatories while the bone is healing.  From what I have learned about other Fulkerson TTT patients, they are taking stuff.  So I don't understand that.  Oh well.

I hope everyone is doing well!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 13, 2008, 07:24:26 PM
yes...what to take and not to take seems VERY wide between doctors.  I know that whatever doctor was on call this weekend had me on WAY too many blood thinners...and a NSAID that clearly is not supposed to be given with blood thinners or aspirin...finally I just refused it from the nurse. She thought I was crazy..but I dont care.   My main doctor was REALLY vague on what I could take.  He said take whatever works.  I will probably defer to the pharmacist whenever I finally get my ultram med in...they didnt have it yesterday or something.   

Im so sorry they are not replying to you. That is unexceptable.  I would be very clear about telling your doctor your concerns at your appointment tomorrow.  I have gotten better about writing my questiosn down. Most important ones a the top..and in a logical order. Carry it in your hand and make sure you ask every one of them on the list....I keep asking them even when they have their hand on the door like they are walking out the door. It is your pathetic little 15-20 minutes and you should suck every second out of it! :-)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 14, 2008, 02:25:15 AM
Hello everyone,

So tomorrow is the big day!  I am so so so so so nervous.  I just keep thinking that it's not like I can just go back to therapy the way I am.  It all just hurts too much.  SO I don't know what they will say.  I know that I can't just not do PT b/c I have a long way to go with ROM, swelling, and muscle strengthening.  So what is next??  I have no idea and the suspense is killing me.  Do I just push through the pain at PT??  Anyway, I am feeling okay today.  I have been on darvocet almost every 4 hrs today.  I am usually pretty woozy during the first 1hr after taking it, but it goes away.  I still have all the sharp pain of weight bearing and any type of extension.  It is just too much of a sharp pain to allow any pain meds to work I guess.  As long as I don't use my muscles too much when I am sitting around or trying to walk, then I am okay.  I will post again tomorrow!!

I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo nervous...no sleep for sure tonight!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 14, 2008, 02:50:10 AM
Hey Farrah,
I know you are feeling nervous about your appt but look at is is a relief that it is finally here.  You have been dying for some answers and tomorrow you can finally get them.  Like Laura mentioned make sure you get a chance to share everything that has been going on and ask all your questions.  Hang in there and post as soon as you can.
Oh and of course the cheezy TV was just grand!  My girls flipped from American Idol to Hannah Montana to Deal or No Deal and I painted my 12 year olds fingernails.  A nice calm night without any of the males around:)
Sleep tight!
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 14, 2008, 02:56:38 AM
Good luck Farrah. I know the not knowing is scary...it is all the what ifs that are floating around in your head and the fear of something bad having gone wrong in your leg. But...if something is going on.....getting it now is the key.  Good luck. I will look for your post tomorrow night!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 14, 2008, 12:20:27 PM
So finally the day of you appt has arrived.  Try not be nervous just look at it more like a chance to figure out what is going on.
Hope your morning goes smoothly.  I will certainly be wondering how you are doing while I make thiose valentines tissue paper flower crafts with the 5th graders (there are some wild ones in there so wish ME luck too).
I am have woken up with my stupid foot swollen again so I will be home elevating a good deal of the afternoon-I'll check in!
Enjoy your Valentine's Day!
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 14, 2008, 01:17:12 PM
You too! I will keep you posted!  I actually slept most of the night last night!  I started waking up occassionally around 4am-5am, but slept late until 6am!!  I wanted to wake up by 5:30am.  Anyway, I am feeling horrible this morning since the meds wore off towards the end of the night and I haven't been able to eat anything to take more with yet.  I will in a little while.  Mainly my back and my "good" knee is killing me.  My other knee is about normal pain.  Anyway HAPPY VALENTINES DAY EVERYONE!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 14, 2008, 10:35:49 PM
Waiting anxiously to hear how the appt. went???  I know you had a busy afternoon and evening so I hope you are feeling good and happy with your appt.
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 14, 2008, 11:20:38 PM
Hello Carol and everybody,

The short update is:

X-rays are perfect, starting at my OS's therapy place on Monday so he can keep an eye on me, no more brace, still 2 crutches til I can handle 1 or none, more stronger pain meds to get through the pain. 

The detailed update:

So my appointment went well.  I still don't feel like jumping up and down!  :)  I still kind of depressed actually.  First thing, once I was in their office and settled in my exam room, I had to get up and go get x-rays.  On my way down the hall my doctor was leaving one room not paying any attention to where he was going and ran into me and almost knocked me over.  It was kind of funny.  He made a joke about it and that was that.  So everything looks great!  X-rays are almost perfect.  I tried to explain my pain during different activities, but I felt like they didn't care.  They cared about my progress or lack there of, but not about the pain.  They wrote me a new prescription for another pain med that is stronger than darvocet.  The PA gave me a new prescription for therapy and I kind of looked at him like are you serious?  I was thinking...you are going to give this thing to me and make me just keep going through this crap?  Then I was in tears in their office talking about how bad it hurts during therapy and which exercises.  I pointed to all the parts of my knee that hurt.  I then asked if this is normal.  They said that everybody is different and that I am not being a wimp (I asked if I was being a wimp). They told me that it is all pain that should be gone at this point PO.  They just didn't seem to concerned about it.  They were greatly disappointed with the progress and told me I am a little bit behind.  I should be off crutches by now.  They pretty much told me that they will give me as much pain medication that I need to be able to get through my exercises.  I understand it all.  They are telling me that my muscles need to get stronger before they can really understand the problem.   It could be just that my muscles are so weak that it can't control what my knee cap is doing during exercises.  I have severe atrophy in my calves and my quads and my doctor was actually very surprised how bad it was.  He made me walk down the hall with two crutches and weight down trying to walk normally.  Then he made me walk on 1 crutch.  I couldn't do it.  He gave me back my crutch and said it was okay.  I was told to keep walking normally with two crutches and take my time getting to 1 crutch.  No more brace though.  SO that's good even though I like wearing it b/c I feel stronger and more in control.  My knee still gives out it without it.  So the solution is now to do therapy at my OS's facility so they can keep an eye on me to see how much things hurt during which exercises.  He told my PA to go get this particular therapist so he can talk to her while I was there.  So the OS, the PA, the therapist, and myself were all there talking about my pain and my lack of progress and how horrible my atrophy was.  He said that he will be stopping by my PT appointments on Monday evenings to see how I am doing.  I feel better about that.  So some of this is good stuff, but I still hate that they won't tell me straight up about this pain.  They don't want me to feel the pain, but they don't know why I am experiencing it.  So I start therapy again on Monday at his facility and will continue it for the next 4 weeks until my next OS apt on March 13th.  Sorry to drown this out so much.  The more detail I put in, the more I will understand it if I go back to read it.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on February 14, 2008, 11:47:56 PM
So despite the fact that you still have pain at least it was a good report.  I was afraid that witht he pain you were having that the xrays would show some terrible news.  Maybe the protocol your OS is just too fast!  Maybe your knee needed more healing time than he expected!  Like he said everyone is different and I think more doctors need to take that into consideration.  Hopefully the pain meds will help you.  I still think you should listen to your knee and when it hurts to slow down or not do those activities. 
  It is good that your OS wants to see you during the PT time!  That is encouraging!  I go on Monday for my 4 wk PO visit.  Hoping to increase my exercises to ROM.  Now that I am starting to get my SLRs going I am hoping that I will start to see big changes!
   Hang in there.  Things have to get better!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 15, 2008, 12:18:54 AM
Wow. Well..Im glad that they saw the atrophy and listened. I found that problem too. I would tell them Im weak , I would tell them there was pain...but it had to get really bad...where my one leg was 2cm smaller all the way down on one leg than the other for them to say...oh..wow..you have a big difference.....its a shame it takes total atrophy for them to listen.  If you feel good on your brace you might want to still wear it occasionally. I know when I was post op from my last surgery I would feel weakness. I fell down twice. Once I fractured my thumb and once I fell down the stairs...lucky with no break. It is scary.....

Thats great that he can come take a look at you in PT. I know that I have felt much better with the doctor popping in to see me at PT as well.

What is the new pain med he gave you?  Worried about your driving to your gym meets with the pain meds on board.  Oh...and dont design any major building structures. ha.

Im sorry you are sad.....it sucks.  I have cried several times today......man knee pain sucks.   ha. happy valentines too. :-)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on February 15, 2008, 12:30:39 AM
Farrah, 

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be CAREFUL driving while taking pain meds.  Here in PA (as per a Friend who is a PA State Trooper) If you are in a accident or pulled over for ANY REASON and found to have ANY NARCOTIC in you system you WILL BE CHARGED WITH DUI.  It does not matter if it is percribed.  There is a good chance it is the same where you live.

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 15, 2008, 02:18:18 AM
THanks everybody...KW it is the same here.  I will be careful with driving.  If the new med affects me at all, I will only take it at night.  My PA gave me the prescription for hydrocodone.  He originally wanted me to take it throughout the day, but then said just take it at night if it bothers me at all.  He said darvocet during the day and hydrocodone at night.   My insurance doesn't want to cover it until Saturday!  STUPID insurance!  Then again...I wouldn't have a "fixed" knee if it wasn't for insurance.  Anyway, so I am feeling better.  I went to coach tonight and was thinking about everything and had to give some updates to the other coaches and realized that I am okay and in good hands.  I don't know what else I could have asked for really.  I am all "doped" up feeling good with my doctor watching my therapy.  I will have the top therapists helping me.  The doctor's therapists according to him are always "the best".  He gave me an example saying that they deal with a lot worse problems than mine.  So when they have a patient like me, they know what they are doing for sure.  So he trusts them completely.  So now I do.  So it felt great not to have my brace on during coaching!!  I looked normal when I was standing on the side of the floor with my crutches thrown on the ground yelling at my girls for sloppiness...don't worry, I was just standing.  I think with the pain meds I will be able to get off my crutches a little earlier.  That will help my muscle strength too.  My doc really wants me to get rid of them ASAP.  ME TOO!!  So now I am thoroughly excited to get on with my new therapy place and new therapists on Monday evening.  I am not looking forward to my phone call to my old therapist tomorrow!! 

Anyway, I hope you all had a great Valentines Day.  Mine turned out better than I thought it would.  My husband surprised me when I got home from gymnastics.  He had 2 heart candles lit on the dining table with my favorite chinese takeout waiting for me.  He also had a little decorative glass full of hersheys ksses with a LOVE balloon in it.  It was all we could afford!  It was sooooo nice though! He typically not a romantic!!  He's getting better :)  See ya!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 15, 2008, 02:24:59 AM
Hi Farrah,
Well you may not be jumping for joy from your appt. but I am so glad you finally got in there, let them know what is going and have a new plan for moving forward.  I think it is great that they changed your PT so they can monitor and also how great that your x-ray shows appropriate healing.
I wish they would stop telling you that you are behind b/c everyone heals at a different rate and faces different challenges. Just worry about you and taking care of your pain and PT and try to forget about all the other.
 Hopefully the new therapy will address the atophy in your calf and strengthen you all around.  You are so young and athletic that I would think with a little help those muscles will rebound nicely.  Get some inspiration from Melissa, whe couldn't do anywhere near a SLR for weeks and she did several today-go Melissa.  Pass it on to the rest of us
Can't believe your OS ran into you in the hallway.
Hope your evening was okay and that your new pain meds allow you a good night's sleep.
What did the OS say about driving?
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 15, 2008, 02:28:39 AM
Just read your last post which came up just before I posted.  So glad your night turned around.  I love your new attitude and hope you feel like you are on the right track now-
Carol
PS My husband provided my favorite Mexican take-out. Yum!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 15, 2008, 02:51:09 AM
Hello Carol!  Take out is awesome!!!  I took some darvocet earlier and am feeling pretty sleepy, woozy, and great!  Not to be so personal, but my husband wanted some "married loving" tonight after dinner, but I had too much going through my head, my knee was hurting, and in general I am just stressed.  You ladies know what I mean about all of that!!  So I am in the living room while he is in the bedroom pouting!!  What am I suppose to feel like when he comes home every night lately on the phone and not paying any attention to me sitting on the couch.  I think he is getting bored by all of this and ready to move on already!  He is still sweet and caring though....I just wish I could have given him what he wanted tonight!!   Sorry to be a little gross to anybody who doesn't like that type of discussion!  I really feel like crying right now because of soooo many emotions!!  Maybe it's the meds!  I think I deserve a good cry that doesn't have much to do with pain.  So I think I am going to go do that now and then go to bed!!  I will post again in the morning.  Don't worry, I am still happy and having a better attitude! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 15, 2008, 03:01:53 AM
Sometimes a good cry is the only option left.  I should know i have given into many of those moments this week!  No offense taken at your post.  The wife/mother guilt is a common thread to all of us.  It is so hard to be everything to everyone else when going through a challenging recovery.  I am off to beg for a Valentine's foot rub for my swollen foot-very romantic here at our house too!
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 15, 2008, 03:05:04 AM
So I have not gone to cry yet, but I wanted to post something else. 

My grandfather from my dad's home country is in town for a few days and I am procrastinating going to see him.  I don't want him to see me on crutches!  At least I won't have that big ol' brace on.  I am half Iranian....so he is visiting from Iran.  In his country medical stuff no matter what it is  is a really big deal.  You don't just have knee surgery!  You deal with the pain.  So when he sees me he will be very sad to see me this way and I can't bear the thought of him worrying about me.  He will report back to the rest of my Iranian family and they will all worry and pray for me and all of that.  I wish I could not be on crutches so they will not worry about me.  Anyway, I go see him on Sunday night!  I will try to be on 1 crutch by then!  I will not tell him about any of my pain issues or my drug intake.  I will act like everything is perfect.  That should help.  Anyway, now I am going to cry and cuddle with my husband...if he lets me. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on February 15, 2008, 03:18:32 AM
No offense taken! "married loving" is part of life.  I understand how you feel I think all of us ladies here do! You feel bad just because and then when your loved on wants something you cant give it makes the guilt worse.  It is just me and kids here...oh so romantic.  I argued with my hubby today for most of the morning.  Here I am not able to get out and do anything special for him and I took time ( i know I have alot of it but still) to write down 20 reasons why I love him and made a card on one of our computer programs.  He got me a card.  which is fine but I think what got me was that there was no thought given in the process.  He writes the same thing in every card and today that bothered me.  Big time.  Poor guy I know he is stressed as much as I am.  I know this is hard on him just as much as it is on me.  But there is nothing I can do to change it right now.  
   Here is a suggestion...go cuddle with you hubby.  Even if you are in pain he is probably just needing a little reasurance that he did something good for you tonight.  Even if the loving doesnt happen it may help him and you never know it might help make  you feel better to be in the arms of the man you love.
    
  Carol..thanks I am pleased with my progress!  I would love to be farther but I am trying to follow the OS orders for now.  My PT wants me to be able to do at least 10 SLRs in one set.  I got three done today so that is a start.

  I am hoping that once this whole knee thing gets b etter there will be more romance in our house...hasnt been for too long.  have a good one ladies...
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 15, 2008, 03:55:30 AM
Farrah...Im sure we can all relate to your evening situation. ha ha...my husband left to go home today....before he left I was tellng him how much I appreciated all he had done for me and how great of a nurse he was to me....and how much I owed him.....said that I  would do something special for him when I got home.  So..as a man....of course...what was his reply???? ha ha.....yes...he got the sex rejection today too. Come on?? Im in a straight leg brace, cant move my leg...my back is killing me......no way...no matter how much I love him.   He said to ask the doctor before I come home if there is a way sex wont damage my leg? ha ha....he says it joking...but...Im sure he means it.  Funny. everyone on here can relate.

Also....the pain meds....they are probably making you more weapy. I know every time I take them they make me that way.   I tried to get off them fast last time b/c of it......this time Im needing them longer....so tears are flowing.  I KNOW that must be adding to the emotions.  Plus..your lack of good sleep and busy schedule.  All of it.  Good job on coaching off the crutches!! One small step at a time!

Good luck with your grandfather....but, honestly...whats the harm in a whole family praying for your poor knee. Im sure it could use it!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 15, 2008, 01:14:47 PM
So I am currently not on my pain meds and feeling horrible.  I can't just wake up and take them.  I have to eat and have something to drink.  Ya know?  Well when I went to bed last night I cuddled with my husband and told how much I love  him and appreciated what he did for me last night.  He responded well, but he was kind of sleeping.  So I turned over to my side and cried for a little while.  I thought things would be better with my husband this morning, but he is completely ignoring me!!  This sucks!  I shouldn't be treated this way.  It makes me feel like he did all that v-day stuff last night just to get what he wanted...not just b/c he loves me.  Sorry to bring out those issues! 

It felt really great this morning getting ready for work knowing I didn't have to put that big brace on.  No more bunched up pants!!  Now people will really look at me funny walking un crutches not having it so obvious what is injured. Oh well...I don't care what people think anyway.  It was also easier to drive today.  I could move my leg around more.  That's all I have to say for now.  My hydrocodone will be ready tomorrow and I can't wait.  I am ready to make some progress without pain!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 15, 2008, 02:33:40 PM
Farrah....I think you should just tell your husband some of the things you tell us. He still sees you go to work...coaching..etc. He probably doesnt know 1/10th of the sadness you are having.  You might have to tell him in a very simple way so he can understand.  You know the way they say to tell people.....you cant tell him You dont do this ..you this or that...you have to say " I feel like you dont this or that...or I have my feelings hurt when you........Men are so sensitive.  Like you said....he is bent out of shape b/c he made a huge effort to give you a romantic night...he doesnt understand why he was rejected.  They cant SEE the pain.    The CONSTANT pain.  I think people who dont have chronic pain have no idea....it is just levels of pain...never zero pain.......just fluctuates between tolerable...and unbearable.

The vicodan you are getting tomorrow is stronger than the darvocet. That is what I started out on but had to change b/c it made me itch.  Im sorry this is all so crappy.   
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 15, 2008, 06:12:08 PM
I am soooooo happy today!!!!  I am feeling so so so great!  I still have that sharp sharp pain during walking and extensions, but it is more tolerable.  I guess my doctor was right about taking lots of pain meds.  I believe that is the answer to getting stronger.  I hate the way I feel from this darvocet, but it is certainly better than sitting through pain.  I have been kind of dizzy and hazy all day long today.  Is my body just getting used to it?  Or is this permanent!  I can't imagine the hydrocodone.  I hate to say this, but the feeling of haziness is kind of fun!  I get in really good moods and then really down moods.  It is weird.  I say things that I normally wouldn't say.  It is like I just don't care.  My gymnasts loved my attitude last night!  On days of PT, I am going to try to take that hydrocodone to make sure I can get through my exercises.  I will take it 1-2 hrs before hand so that I can get the loopiness out of my system before having to drive.  I will see how I feel after taking it this weekend.  I hate having to take these meds, but it is really helping a lot!!!  I have actually been sleeping.

I forgot to say that my OS actually spent 45 minutes in the room with me yesterday!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 15, 2008, 06:26:58 PM
My husband hasn't said a word to me all day and I have a gymnastics meet from 4:45pm-10:00pm immediately after work! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 15, 2008, 06:32:37 PM
You are kidding.  Men are babies. No offence to any men that read these posts.  Well. I guess we can celebrate the fact that you feel strong today and just hope that your husband gets over it.    Glad you feel better overall.  I know everyone feels their meds diffently...but I feel like 3 hours after mine Im at my best. the pain is better but I dont feel dizzy, hot, nauseated.  the 60-90 minute interval is my worst.

That is great that you can get stronger with the pain meds. Just make sure you aren't pushing yourself too hard when you cant feel the pain so you dont do more damage while you are weak.  that is great that it is helping you.

:-) good happy post. We could all use one.  We are ready for the not happy one later too...so dont worry when you get the bottom of the emotions today too.   up...down..up....down.......ah the post op fun!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 15, 2008, 06:47:03 PM
Thanks Laura!  I hope to have happy posts from here on out :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 15, 2008, 07:04:57 PM
does that mean that I have to stop crying for absolutely no reason too?? ...haha.....amazing how it just pops out...even when mentally I feel fine...then Im crying...ha ha....oh well.   Not cryinig now. I just took 800 ibuprophen instead of the darvocet to see how if feel.....hoping my happy posts come soon too.   ;D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 15, 2008, 07:21:31 PM
Laura, sorry your PT was rough today with your mom being around.  I would have felt the same way with my mom around.  I am still in a good mood!  :)  I actually walked to the water fountain and back with 0 crutches!!  It is amazing what pain meds do!  I didn't think they would help that much with the pain from weight bearing.  If my knee gives out or if I bend too much then it is very painful, but I try to keep walking normal.  I am going to keep trying it occassionally and keep taking the pain stuff religiously for a while until I am stronger and capable of doing my walking and exercising without it.  I am obviously strong enough if my knee doesn't give out too often.

I had that dreadful call to my previous PT earlier today!  I am bummed about not going to see him anymore, but honestly I am glad.  I was only his 2nd patient with that type of surgery and he was following the protocol to a T and couldn't answer any of my questions b/c he didn't know.  He cared, but I just don't think he was qualified enough for this type of rehab. He was pretty sad about me leaving.  I could hear it in his voice.  He knew that my OS was going to take me out and put me in his program.  Maybe I will go back to him in the future.  Oh...my new place has an underwater treadmill!!  He wants me to do it in a week or so.   So exciting!  I am going to be walking 100% of the time with no crutches next week...my goal!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 15, 2008, 09:56:33 PM
wow...that is really cool...underwater treadmill!   Wow...mine has a thing where a vest goes arouund you waist...like a corset...and it lifts you up and takes the weight off your legs and then you walk that way. The bad thing is that it also makes it hard to breath.  The pool sounds great!!!  I cant wait for it to warm up for my local pool to open too...that will be a great thing to try.   The other PT will get over it.  :-)
When I get back to Austin they will have NO clue what to do with me either.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 16, 2008, 03:49:38 AM
Hello everyone!  My gymnastics meet went well.  Unfortunately we competed against ourselves and got first place!  BORING!!  You wouldn't believe what I have been doing much of the day today....WALKING WITHOUT CRUTCHES!!!!  My doctor said as long as the pain meds work, I'm okay to do it.  He rathers it so I can get stronger.  It is a pretty good limp sometimes, but I try hard to walk normally.  Towards the end of the night I was on 1 crutch the whole time.  I am forcing myself to work with 1 crutch from now until I can walk 100% of the time without it.  No more 2 crutches for me hopefully!!  Floor was our last event, so my knee was tired...so I threw the 1 crutch on the floor and sat in the middle of the floor and coached during warm ups.  It was kind of funny!  Throughout the night I was very loopy and in such a great mood.  My team loves it!  I am so much nicer to them when the meds are in my system.  I absolutely hate that I can only walk like that with darvocet in my system!!  It really makes me feel weird! During part of the day today I was so dizzy for about 2-3 hrs straight...so much that I was sick to my stomach.  I felt better by the time it was time for me to leave work and go to the meet though.  I will say this....I'd much rather be loopy and dizzy than to experience pain and not progress!  The sharp pains have gone from 8/9 to about a 4/5.  So that is good.  I am tired of walking on crutches and getting attention and being called gimp or handicap.  I also am tired of people holding doors for me or offering to carry stuff.  Anyway, I am taking the 2 darvocet every 4 hrs for now....like clockwork today.   Starting tomorrow, I am going to try not to take it as much b/c I have a very easy day.  I also get my hydrocodone prescription....the research I did says it is like vicodin.  If I sleep okay tonight, then I don't plan on taking it if I don't have to.  I will try to save it for PT if it still kills like before.  I kept on the meds today since I worked from 8-3pm and went straight to my gymnastics meet from 4:30pm-10:00pm.  I am wondering two things....am I feeling so good b/c of the pain meds or b/c I haven't done PT since Monday!?!?  What do ya'll think?

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 16, 2008, 03:51:51 AM
Oh...my husband and I talked for the first time at exactly 10:05pm tonight.  He said he wasn't ever mad, but didn't want to bother me at work today!  WHATEVER!  Anyway, he is acting like he was never mad. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 16, 2008, 02:00:47 PM
Well..I know when I used to take Percocet it would make me feel real happy like that.  The Darvocet and Vicodan dont do that to me as much. I do have that swirly, dizzy, nauseated feeling in the middle of the peak time so that is hard.  I know that I cant remember everything that goes on when Im taking it. There is no way I would drive myself anywhere on it. Be careful.  Your knee probably needed a break from PT. That will get you in a good mind set for when you start with the new PT next week.  That is great that you are walking without crutches.....I cant wait to do that. I think that will make my back so much better.  If I had to choose though....I would rather loose the immobilizer and keep the crutuches. I cant stand my leg being stuck out like this. I usually have my legs sort of indian style when I sit...Thats probably why my back is so mad.  :-0
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 16, 2008, 03:02:37 PM
Good morning everyone...so last night was a very long night.  Not for pain, but for working out my husband and my issues.  I didn't go to bed until 3:30am and forgot to take more darvocet.  My knee couldn't be moved!  I had to keep it straight or completely bent...no in between.  Well we worked out our problems and he now knows how unhappy I have been over the last few weeks.  I really opened up big time!  He now understands 100% of my feelings right now.  So now he is being sooooo nice and understanding.  He even woke up this morning and took the dogs out, bought me burger king breakfast, and picked up my hydrocodone.  So now I am sitting on the couch watching Patch Adams.  I plan on hanging around the house all day today.  :)  My husband is working on cars all day today with a friend of ours.  This is the first day in a long time that I have a choice to sit around.  I might go to the Dog Park later if I feel up to it.  I still want to try not to take Darvocet today.  The sharp non-constant pain is definitely back to that 8/9 without it.  I figured as long as I don't have constant pain I should be okay...we'll see.  Have a great weekend everybody!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 16, 2008, 06:24:30 PM
wow...that is great!   Good for you..and for him.     Fun on the couch.....but watching a doctor movie??? ha ha..>I would want something with NO medicine in it. ha ha.....Hope you get through the day with less pain.......

:-) Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on February 16, 2008, 07:09:06 PM
I watch Grey's Anatomy episodes while I am laying around on the couch.  At least Callie has not had to do a TTT revision or MPFL recon on anyone!   ;D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 16, 2008, 07:10:19 PM
Haha!  You never know!  :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 16, 2008, 11:38:21 PM
Hello everyone, I am at 5.5 weeks PO by now.  It seems like so much longer!!!  I was pretty depressed this morning after my first post, but am feeling much better.  I had to finally take the 2 darvocet around 2:30pm so that I could get up and take a shower and get out at least sometime today.  So after taking it, I slept for two hours then took a shower and took one of my dogs to the dog park.  I went with 1 crutch even though I felt okay to walk without it.  My goal is to be off 100% by the end of the week!  As long as I have the stupid meds, it is doable.  I am practically walking normally without crutches around my house.  I just can't bend my knee too much while bearing weight.  It kills!  I just do the normal small amount of bend during a typical step.  It is usually straight by the time I step.  I don't know if that is normal...it seems I have forgotten how to walk normally!  Before my surgery I was limping for 3-4 months! Anyway, I will be trying out the hydrocodone in a little while to see how it affects my body!  Hopefully I don't get sick or anything.  It would be nice if it got rid of 100% of the sharp pain. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 16, 2008, 11:45:13 PM
Good luck with the hydrocodone.  Hope it helps your pain.  It is tempting to take some stronger stuff to get through the pain....I might take some more later for bedtime.   I know what you mean on the walking.  I have used my hip to move my leg forward for so long due to weak quads that I will have to relearn my gait too.  I had to ask the PT the other day at which part of the crutch step did I tighten my quad......it will be a long go of it...but you will get it back. I think it is important to really focus on gait at this point of the game while you are walking slowly so you dont learn a new habit.  I wish I could take my dog to the park.....cant wait to get home to see her too!

:-)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 16, 2008, 11:48:30 PM
One day we will all be walking again!! :)  I am going out to eat with my husband tonight without any crutches...hopefully! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 17, 2008, 02:07:51 AM
Well dinner went well.  I went with 1 crutch.  I took 2 darvocet at around 2:30pm and left dinner around 8:30pm without being able to put much weight down without pain.  So when we got home, I asked for my 2nd crutch to take some of the weight off.  So now I have taken 2 hydrocodone to see how I feel.  Even with the 2 darvocet, I can't do my old PT exercises.   I will try again with the hydrocodone.  I will also pay attention to how I feel with the medication.  Hopefully I will not feel dizzy or sick.  If not, then I will be taking it before PT so maybe that can help me get through everything.  Have a great night everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 17, 2008, 04:10:40 AM
So I am in so much constant pain right now!  I took the hydrocodone at 9:00pm and it is 11:10pm right now and I am feeling awful!!  How could a pain medication just not work?  Isn't it suppose to be stronger than darvocet?  Anyway, I felt a little tired the first hour I took it and now I am just in a lot of pain...I can't put any weight down right now!!!  I feel like crying AGAIN!  I can't take the darvocet now b/c I have the other meds in my system!?!?  What am I suppose to do???????  I can't sleep like this! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on February 17, 2008, 04:19:26 AM
what is the dosage ofthe hcodone?   was taking 500 and if needed I could take 750.  It made me sleepy and I felt like I was in a fog most of the time.  I am now just taking tylenol or advil alternating them.  It seems to be helping.  I have had some weird pain today in my leg.  See my post for more info.   The one thing about the codone it isnt a fast relief pain med from what I could tell with me it usually wasnt till the 2nd or 3rd hour that I got relief. 
   You have to be careful cause of the meds it may take the apin away but you end up doing too much and then end up in wose pain as seems with your case.  Hope you ginally get the rest you need tonight!
Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 17, 2008, 04:33:56 AM
Melissa, I am sure I overdid it.  I just didn't think that the hydrocodone wouldn't work.  I am on the 3rd hr right now and still not feeling any relief.  The dosage on the bottle says Hydrocodone/APAP 10mg/325 MG Tabs...whatever that means.  SO I don't know what all that means, but I was told take 1-2 every 4-6 hrs. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 17, 2008, 02:36:38 PM
Farrah..Im so sorry you were in so much pain. Im posting the dosing schedule for the hydrocodone below.  The 10mg is a fair amount of the pain med with 500 of Tylenol.  Im sorry it didnt work for you.  I think mine was 5/500 and I took two.

I bet that you have done too much. You felt good on the other pain med and have been really active this week and off both crutches. Too much too soon maybe?  I know you hate the crutch..but maybe you should just use it when you are out for now and not use it at home or vise versa and work your way up to being completely off of it. 

Pain at night is the worst.  I dont know why it is but my pain is so much worse at bedtime too. I stayed up really really late last night watchng TV just avoiding the inevitable pain from sleep..

I hope you finally got some relief.  Did you try to ice it too?

Laura

Dosage should be adjusted according to severity of pain and response of the patient. However, it should be kept in mind that tolerance to hydrocodone can develop with continued use and that the incidence of untoward effects is dose related.

5 mg/500 mg The usual adult dosage is one or two tablets every four to six hours as needed for pain. The total daily dosage should not exceed 8 tablets. 
7.5 mg/750 mg The usual adult dosage is one tablet every four to six hours as needed for pain. The total daily dosage should not exceed 5 tablets. 
10 mg/325 mg The usual adult dosage is one tablet every four to six hours as needed for pain. The total daily dosage should not exceed 6 tablets. 
10 mg/500 mg The usual adult dosage is one tablet every four to six hours as needed for pain. The total daily dosage should not exceed 6 tablets. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 17, 2008, 02:49:49 PM
Hi Laura, I think I fell asleep around 4am and slept until 9:00am.  I am actually feeling okay right now.  I still have that severe sharp pain during certain motions.  The constant pain is gone.  I think it is just b/c I have been resting.  I laid in bed for hours with a huge amount of pain.  I am glad I am feeling okay now.  Now I have to get ready to go to work.  I am debating on skipping like last weekend.  I have all year to make up my time...since I had such a long night of pain, I am thinking to just stay home.  Among other things, I am developing a cold! I am so congested!  I am afraid to take any other medication to help with that!  So I am just dealing with it.  Anyway, I plan on sticking with darvocet from now on.  I don't like the hydrocodone!!!  Imagine why! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 17, 2008, 02:50:42 PM
I did ice last night, and it didn't help at all.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 17, 2008, 04:09:09 PM
Im sorry.  The only thing you have to be careful with on cold medicines is if they ALSO have acetominofen or ibuprofen in them because most narcotics have some of that in there too.......

I saw on the news that the flu is going around really bad....gzzz.z...I hope I dont pick that up on the plane going home. Mom and I were thinking we shoudl get face masks for the plane.....would be dorky...but I cant take the flu on top of the knee pain.

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 17, 2008, 04:22:45 PM
I took 2 darvocet around 10:30am...so I am hoping I will be feeling better than I did yesterday!  My dogs are driving me crazy b/c they are barking at everything on tv.  I am very close to caging them up so I can get some rest.  I obviously am not going to work today.  If it doesn't rain, I may go watch some tennis.  We'll see.  Have a good one.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 17, 2008, 05:44:26 PM
Trying to make a long story short...I used to see a PT named Casey a few years ago at Benchmark PT.  Well he quit and started working at my current OS's PT facility (where I start next week).  Well as long as I have been going to my OS and he has worked at that PT, I have been in touch with him...just saying hello how are you kind of stuff.  He always asked about my knee progress too.  Anyway, I e-mailed him yesterday with lots of questions that my OS didn't answer.  I wanted to share my e-mail to him followed by his e-mail back to me.  The point of this is that I am feeling much more positive about my recovery now.  I found out my pain issues are normal and come with severe muscle atrophy!  I just saw him on Thursday and chatted for a few minutes.  I told him some of my problems and he said it is still early.  I hope this info helps out anybody that does early weight bearing like m.  Here are the e-mails:

Casey, I don't know if you will get this before monday, but I have a question for you.
You said it is still early in my Fulkerson rehab. I know you are right, but I straight up asked Dr. Gillogly if I was suppose to be feeling the unbearable pain during some of my exercises and he said I shouldn't be feeling it by this time. Does that mean that it is normal to feel very sharp unbearable pain during any type of extensions or weight bearing with my knee slightly bent? My last PT hadn't really had any experience with this type of surgery, so he couldn't ever answer my questions. I really did like him, but I wasn't getting anywhere. I was almost in tears almost every visit. Dr. Gillogly said I am behind now. I don't know if you remember from when you were my PT before, but I feel like I can tolerate pain. The pain I am experiencing is all around my knee cap and under it and is very difficult to describe. I just can't imagine that I am just being a wimp. So now I am on darvocet during the day and hydrocodone at night to help with sleeping. It helps with constant pain, but I still can't do the PT exercises that I was given before. It just feels like my knee cap is going to snap off or something. It is the kind of pain that you want to pass out from!!!! All my x-rays and everything is perfect. Is it just b/c my muscles are weak? Please keep this between you and I and not my new PT, Catherine. I just have to ask these questions to someone who does not have anything to do with my outcome. Thanks so much for your help. If you don't want to answer this, I understand. Just so you know I am very bummed out and Dr. Gillogly knows it. I am doing everything I am suppose to and can only attempt to walk if I have stupid pain drugs! Is this all normal and they just failed to tell me about this part???

Farrah Vaughan
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Hey Farrah,
I'm sorry to hear it has been so difficult. It's really hard for me to say exactly why you are having so much pain without looking closer at your knee. But I'm guessing it may be due to a number of reasons that in combination can create quite a bit of discomfort. For one you have probably only been partially weight bearing for 4 or 5 weeks which causes unavoidable quad and hip muscle atrophy/weakness. This results in temporary tracking issues with your patella. Also, you could have some tightness of the soft tissue around your patella that is causing some excessive pressure behind your knee cap. Finally, when you are in pain your body can react by splinting or guarding especially at your quad which also can create a significant increase in patella-femoral pressure/pain. Your symptoms are not uncommon and I would expect them to improve as you get stronger, improve the neuromuscular control of your quad and hip muscles, and increase your range of motion and flexibility. All of these things you will work on in PT. In the meantime try to do what you can with the program your old PT gave you and Katherine will make some adjustments based on what she finds. I will definitely keep this conversation b/w us but don't hesitate to discuss these same issues with Katherine, she is a very good PT and understanding to your situation. See you next week.
Casey
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 17, 2008, 07:31:42 PM
thats good information.  I agree with all the tightening pain. I can feel that after only a week. I get to weight bear already with crutches....I cant imagine 4-5 weeks off of your leg completely.  I know that they used a bit of my IT band...and it is sooooo tight. I tried to lean over to the side in the shower to pick somehting up and you would thing my IT band was going to snap in half it hurt so bad...and this was like a micro lean to the side.  Crazy...Im going to ask them Tuesday how much stretching of the IT band Im allowed to do...if it is that tight it is probably the main problem with my back.....the vmo attachment too...on teh other side...tight tight.......so....It totally makes sense what you guy is saying to you.....I hope it helps tomorrow. That is great they know all about your surgery. Im worried when I get home that no one will have a clue about this extensor mechanism repair I had done.....makes it hard to keep on track when they dont have a baseline.

Hope your meds are working today.

Im sitting in the hotel in yet another tornado watch....whats with all the tornados in Georgia???  gzzzzz  mom and I hope this weather passes through quickly and that our rental car doesnt get hail damage! :-)

fun fun.

Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 17, 2008, 08:26:02 PM
Laura, I know we are looking at having some storms, but no tornado watches here.  I guess since you are near the border of Alabama, you get the worse part of the storms.  THey usually calm down once they get into to where I live.  I hope your weather turns out okay.  It just started thundering while I was typing this post.  Casey is a very awesome PT!  I am glad that the communication between my old PT (Casey), my new PT, my PA, and my OS will all be great.  It was very difficult knowing that my previous PT that I just left didn't know much about my rehab process.  He knew the protocol, but that was it.  I was only his 2nd patient with that type of surgery.  I knew that, but I thought since he understood all about the surgery, that it would be okay.  It kind of ticked me off that he couldn't answer any of my questions.  Oh well...I still liked that place.  He was really cool and easy to complain to :)   I will definitely miss going there, but I am so happy that I am now going to see more experienced PTs.  I feel lucky now that I will be in good hands.  My attitude about my pain has turned around completely.  Yes, I still need to take the pain meds to feel okay and to bear weight, but at least I know it is normal and part of the difficult road to recovery.  I wish my OS would have warned me about the pain I am having.  Oh well.  I know now!  I owe Casey a lot for explaining it all to me!  I hope it helps others understand their recovery as well.  I figured most of my problem was from muscle weakness, I just didn't think it could be causing this much pain.  Oh well...I understand it all now!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 17, 2008, 08:42:49 PM
yes...i think they need to give better warnings on the pain to be expected. I had no idea either...and I still have no idea how long it will last. I think if I knew it was two more weeks....well...ok then...but the unknown....will it be 10 weeks..or what?? that is hard.

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 17, 2008, 09:04:00 PM
We are under a tornado warning now!!!  UGH!!!  I am all by myself and there could be a tornado!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 18, 2008, 01:34:30 PM
A little late, but no tornado!  Dinner went well with my grandfather last night.  He was sad to see me on crutches.  I told him not to tell my family back in Iran b/c I am fine. Anyway, so I didn't try the hydrocodone again!  I took darvocet.  I actually don't remember waking up last night!!!  I rested a lot over the weekend, so maybe that helped. I have my first day at my new PT today.  I am not nervous or excited at all.  It's just another PT apt to me.  Maybe my attitude will change later.  I hope everyone has a great Monday!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 18, 2008, 02:38:22 PM
Thats great that you saw your grandpa.  You are lucky to still have him. All my grandparents have passed as have several of my uncles and an aunt. Crazy b/c Im not that old.  Anyway.......it is probably just as well to not be excited about PT that way you dont get your hopes up and get crushed.  Im sorta dreading starting PT at home b/c I dont know if they will know what to do with me.  I have a huge list of questions for the PT and the doc here before I go home.  Im not going to miss my PT here b/c she is less than informative......Im not sure Im gaining much of anything with her. She sits there and watches me do my quad sets..etc...but she really doesnt offer much information or encouragement........Im ready to go home. :-)

Post later how your PT goes. I hope the Darvocet helps you through the day. I just took my first one since Friday morning. Im not sure I can get through PT with only Advil...so I hope this doesnt make me feel sick like last friday.

:-) laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on February 18, 2008, 02:45:06 PM
Farrah,

Good thing there was no tornado.  My area is not prone to tornados, but if I were ever in a possible tornado situation I think I would freak out.  

Good luck with your new PT today.  I hope that your pain is all from weakness and that the right PT will get you on the right track!

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 18, 2008, 06:00:24 PM
Thanks you guys.  So I have been on the darvocet today and have been pretty much in constant pain all day.  The sharp pain is bad too.  I have been trying to walk with 0 crutches around the office today, so maybe that is why.  I wish I could take more darvocet.  I am back on 1 crutch.  After lunch, I purposely left 1 in the car.  I will be icing in a little while.  More darvocet at 1:30pm.  I hope that it will work later!!  Now I am scared of PT!  I will post again this evening...my apt is at 4:30pm and ATL traffic Sucks!!  SO I might not get home until about 7pm!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 18, 2008, 08:11:51 PM
Okay...so I am completely out of it :)  I have been in so much pain today.  I took my 2nd dose of 2 darvocet at 1:30pm.  I am dizzy, tired, and very out of it.  I just took a stack of papers on my desk and tried to straighten them out by picking them up and using the desk to straighten them.  I then put them back down and they were all very crooked!!  ;D Crazy!  Anyway, at least my constant pain has subsided some.  That is good!  I just don't know how I am going to drive in 30 minutes to get to PT!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 18, 2008, 08:34:13 PM
well...I hope you dont fall asleep in the traffic. I  know when I am on two darvocet I cant keep my eyes open.  I also get VERY hot and sorta nauseated when I have PT on my darvocet so I hope you brought clothes that are cool for your first PT.   Maybe you can take a bag of ice in your car after PT for the long commute home.  Im thinking I might have to do that next week too. Austin traffic is terrible as well. Takes me about an hour to drive less than 20 miles home at night. yuck.

Let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 19, 2008, 01:58:45 AM
Hey Farrah
How did it go?
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 19, 2008, 02:33:00 AM
Hello everyone...sorry it took me so long to post tonight.  I came home from PT with a great attitude, so I tried to get some stuff done around the house.  I guess I have been depressed b/c it has been a while since I have felt like doing anything around the house.  Anyway, PT is AWESOME!!  My attitude is sooooooooo great and positive now!  So the clinic was soooo crazy busy.  She actually squeezed me in with another patient...so the beginning was kind of confusing.  First, when I arrived, all the doctors were having a meeting in the clinic.  So it was so weird that I walked in and there was my doctor and PA!!  This will take some getting used to.  So I started on the bike for warm up.  WHile on there, Dr. Gillogly saw me and came over and said, "so how is my project doing?"  What does that mean exactly?  It's not like I am his first Fulkerson!  I guess since I am not quite on track,  I am his project.  No big deal, but it was pretty cool seeing him during PT.  He popped in a few other times to talk with the PTs about different patients.  So after the bike, I did lots of stretches.  The PT still didn't get a chance to evaluate me though.  After stretching and a couple normal exercises, she finally was done with the other patient.  This other guy had some serious serious surgery...don't know what it was exactly, but he had an incision from top to bottom of his leg.  I didn't even want to ask.  He was one of those patients that sits there and complains and talks about his injury 100% of the time he is there.  I like to go with the flow and complain during the exercises if something hurts and then ask questions at the beginning or the end...sometimes throughout.  I don't sit there and talk about it the entire time!  I don't want to offend anybody, but that drives me crazy!!!  There are other things in life!  Anyway, so once she had a chance to work with me 1 on 1, she explained that I have a major problem with total extension and quad weakness.  I knew about the muscle weakness, but she taught me everything that my old PT, casey, e-mailed me over the weekend.  He was happy to see me today too.  ANyway, she took me through some exercises with the wobble board.  Some balancing forwards and backwards and some side to side.  I also did one where I balancing with the wobble board forwards and backwards while throwing a large ball to her and also catching it.  I fell forward on that one, so she said we will work on it next time.  She took me to the dreaded leg press machine.........I could hardly do it b/c of the pain.  She said we will work on it.  I told her all about my old PT and how he would respond to my pain problems...instead of changing the exercise, he took it out.  So once I was done with the exercises she took me to the exam table and checked my extension and flexion...5 degrees extension and about 125 flexion.  I did those heal slide things to stretch into it.  After checking the extension, she put my leg in this little contraption that lifted my heal off the table allowing my knee to extend by gravity.  It also had a strap that pulled my knee down to get a stretch in extension...once I felt the stretch, I held it for 10 minutes.  It was a little painful, but tolerable.  I knew it was for the better...still nothing like the sharp pains.  She also massaged my IT band...painful too!  Not bad though.  So ultimately she said none of the exercises should hurt my knee...just strengthen my muscles!  So I left there with so much more confidence and a positive attitude!!!  I asked her about getting off the crutches, but b/c I can't step with my leg straight, I can't walk normally yet.  So once I can do that, I should be fine without crutches.  She instructed me not to get off of them unless I am walking normally.  That could take a few more weeks according to her.  Meanwhile, I am still on the darvocet all day and night to get through the sharp and sometimes constant pain.  I came home from PT with muscle soreness...not knee pain!!!!!!!!   It was so so so so awesome!!  I think I might actually have muscle soreness tomorrow!!!  It felt great.  THe only exercises I have to do at home are calf raises, calf stretches, hamstring stretches, and this exercise where I put my heel on the coffee table and let my knee hang straight.  I hate that one, but it's still nothing like the old pain.  She took SLRs out!!!!  She said until my muscles get stronger, there is no point in doing them since it pulls my knee cap too much.  I am soooooooooo happy now!!  Sorry to explain so much, but I feel like this should help anybody that may be having this surgery in the future.  If you have a similar protocol as me (walking early), then you may experience the pain I have and this is why!!!!  I just can't believe on here, that I am the only one having that pain around my knee cap.  I guess it is b/c of early ROM and weight bearing.  Have a great night!!   

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 19, 2008, 02:42:39 AM
That is wonderful news!!  Great progress.  Im surprised she took your SLR out too...that is the only thing they are allowing me to do right now?  It is the baby step on my program....standing SLR...I cant do the seated one b/c my leg doesnt move at all.    Did she say why you cant do them?   hmmm.........well....great job..and Im glad you have muscle sorenes..  I miss that sensation and cant wait until my first real exercise and swet doesnt involve quad sets. LOL.

I fly home in the morning. Probably no posts until Wed!  Hope the flight doesnt kill me or turn my knee into a water melon!

:-)
Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 19, 2008, 02:54:17 AM
I will miss your posts during your traveling!  2 days!!  You better get back on quick :)  J/k!  I just hope you feel okay during everything. 

As far as SLRs, they kill my knee cap.  Not like a muscle building pain, but a very very sharp pain on the outside of my knee cap.  She said that there are plenty of other exercises to work on that strengthens that muscle and then we will try the SLRs again when I am stronger.  Since my muscles are so weak, they are pulling my knee cap out of place during the exercise.  Since it is so painful, my muscles will not get stronger from doing it.  Pain does not allow for muscle strengthening.  So I am good with that!!  I am just so happy right now!!!  Can you tell?  I learned so much over the past few days about my knee pain that my OS couldn't for some reason tell me!  I just don't understand that.  Anyway, have a great night!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 19, 2008, 03:26:09 AM
I forgot to mention that I get to the do the underwater treadmill at Wednesday's apt at 1pm!  It will be so weird to be in water at PT!

http://www.fernoperformancepools.com/fitness_hydrotrack.html

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 19, 2008, 03:29:02 AM
http://joomlatest.elehost.com/services-2/Aquatic-Therapy

This is a video of the underwater treadmill for those who have never seen one.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 19, 2008, 06:28:03 PM
Today marks 6 weeks!!  I should be walking by now!  UGH! Oh well.  I still have a positive attitude about my new therapy and my new path to recovery!!  My goals of tennis, gymnastics, working out at the fitness center, roller blading, riding my bike, and running aren't feeling so distant anymore....even though I still need to fix the left one. I still have a long way to go on my right, but I am certain now that my sharp pain will go away once I am stronger.  I can't wait for that!!  I have had pain for 6 years now and am ready to be able to do stairs without pain!!!  I am going to follow 100% of my PT and OS's orders.  I am still on the 2 darvocet ever 4-6hrs and am doing much better with sleeping once I get to sleep.  It has been taking a few hours to fall asleep lately.  I will post again later.  I am still having on and off constant pain throughout the day.  Once I take my 2nd dose of darvocet it will go away (like yesterady when i was almost pain free and very out of it).  Have a great afternoon!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on February 20, 2008, 12:19:17 AM

Patience Farrah,  some protocol's ( including my OS's) call for 6 weeks no weightbearing, so you really aren't that far behind at all if you look at it that way.

Glad you are happier with your new PT, it's amazing how such small changes make such a big difference.  Hang in there!


Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 20, 2008, 02:46:21 AM
Good evening...I am sitting here doing my extension exercise.  I have to sit on the couch with my heel on the coffee table and allow my leg to extend as much as possible.  It is pretty painful, but I can live with it.  I have to do this since my leg will not straighten all the way.  I'm still on the darvocet....ugh!  I still have the sharp pains during weight bearing and any type of active extension.  I will get better.  I guess my posts will be boring except on the days I have PT.  I will post tomorrow after PT at 1pm.  I will be doing the underwater treadmill tomorrow!  Have a great night!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 20, 2008, 02:22:31 PM
Good morning.  I had a rough night and then a rough morning!  Last night it took me 3 hrs to fall asleep.  Once I did, I woke up every time I moved my leg at all!  My alarm was set for 5am, and I woke up at 5:40am b/c I finally was sleeping.  So my task in the morning is to take the dogs out.  We have a fenced in back yard to where we can just let them out, do their business, and come back.  One of us is always out there making sure they do what they need to.  So last night I learned that my jack russell found a way out into our adjacent neighbor's yard with their 2 huge dogs!! !  I forgot about that this morning, so all of a sudden he ran back into the back corner of the yard where it is so dark I can't see him.  I kept calling him in, but he wouldn't come!  I heard him trying to though.  He had his wining little bark and was walking all along the fence trying to get in.  I have an upper deck and a lower deck with stairs connecting.  I was certainly not walking down the stairs into the yard at 5:45am!  So I called my husband to wake up.  He put all his clothes on and opened up a little opening in the fence so my dog could come through.  I was so mad that my little dog did this!  So he was saved!! Just a lot of drama for the morning!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on February 20, 2008, 02:43:39 PM
Don't you just love it when those little dogs do exactly the opposite that you want them to do.  I had a dog a great dog that would do that to me ever so often and it was usually when I was not able or in the mood for the misbehavior.  Sorry your night and morning started off on a bad foot.  Hope your day gets alot better.

Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 20, 2008, 07:39:32 PM
Hi Farrah!  Im back!  Travel was awful and I posted in on my OP notes.  I am so glad to be home. Im laying on the couch with my leg in the air in the ice compressor...I have a love-hate...more of a hate-hate with this process. It hurts..and I cant stand laying on my back. YUCK.

I saw my old PT today. I was SOO happy to get back to her b/c she is so much better than the PT was there. Anyway...funny..you know how I said I was confused why they took your SLR away....she took my forward SLR away today too. Well...actually..Im allowed to do the side and back SLR but to the front I have to have a brace on...and if I feel ANY pressure on my kneecap from the brace it means I have an extensor lag and Im to stop.  She said the same thing yours did about how pain and swelling inhibit the quad from firing...etc. She says it will be a long slow process for me. She said by 6 months I shoudl be back to 80% function...but she said probably a good year before I can cycle hard like I used to.   Heck...if I can EVER cycle again like I could that will be great.  So...at least now I have something to move forward towards. I was just stuck in a rut for so long.

Im tired from traveling.....Im glad to be home.  I have to stay on the couch today b/c she said my knee is too swollen. ( I thought it looked great! ha).

thats all for now!
Laura

Oh...by the way...the sweating like crazy at PT is probably from the darvocet. I do that too.  i hadnt taken any all weekend and felt great. I took it all day yesterday to travel and one this morning for PT.  I was sweating like crazy all the way home yesterday and this morning. YUCK
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 20, 2008, 09:44:49 PM
Hello everyone.  I am at just over 6 weeks PO.  I still feel behind for what my protocol was/is.  I had PT at 1pm today.  It took 2 hrs in the middle of the work day!  When I got there I started with some stretching and she worked on my IT band.  I had to use that contraption to pull my leg to full extension again today.  I had to hold it for 15 minutes.  Painful, but okay.  I still can't do full extension on my own.  Then she started to stretch my hip flexor.  I couldn't do it b/c she had me sitting at the end of the table with my bad leg hanging off.  The hanging part killed my knee cap!!  So she had me scoot backward to sit more on the table and not have such a hang. She then worked on that quad muscle to loosen it up.  Then I did some pilates exercises and some balancing exercises.  Then I asked my PT if I can ditch the crutches.  She tested me on 1 crutch and I failed!  She said I would get better once I am stronger.  After all of this I used the underwater treadmill.  It was so weird.  They had to teach me how to walk again!  I wasn't doing it right at all.  So they had to keep reminding me to extend all the way to step and squeeze the muscle, and step heal to toe.  They they had to remind me on the push off to bring my knee up some to get it off the ground. There is glass on the side of the machine so they could see all of my steps.  Anyway, it was nice to walk normal without crutches!!  During all of my exercises my knee only hurt if I stepped wrong or hung my leg down.  So I felt great afterwards.  I actually felt like I got a workout...like muscle soreness.  I was on a high on my way back to work and right now.  My darvocet wore off hours ago and I am ready to take some more.  The sharp pains are really bad right now.  I have a little bit of constant pain too.   I really love the muscle soreness!!  It feels like I am an athlete again.  It's just so nice to not dread PT!  During my entire visit there is always either my PT or an assistant with me.  The assistant is hilarious  The PT is very serious, but still fun. I am pretty much laughing and smiling the whole time...unless I take a wrong step or move wrong.  It is a much more enjoyable experience! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 20, 2008, 10:03:12 PM
That is so cool...the walking in water thing......I wish I could do that!  Neat!   You know after my first surgery they had to re teach me to walk too. I was walking like frankenstein they said.  They made me step, squeeze, heal toe, push off the toe, stall...squeeze the butt...etc....It was really hard to re train my brain to do it. Im making special effort this time to not rely on the hip to swing the leg around. Im really good at walking that way.....

That is wonderful that they are doing so much with you.  Wonder why the other PT let you get so far behind?  Why didnt your doc have you go to his PTs in the first place?  I think the PT makes 95% of the results after surgery.  Even in the same clinic I can tell the difference between the PTs.....

I hope the pain continues to get better and that you can get your brain off the darvocet before long.


:-)

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 21, 2008, 12:05:49 AM
I keep trying to get off the darvocet...I am taking them like candy!!!!  I have been trying to spread the doses out to 6 hrs, but can't seem to get past 5!  The bottle of 50 or 60 since last Tuesday is down to about 1/4 full.  That seems like a lot to me.  I have one refill on it and hopefully will either not need or ... or not need much of it.  I also have a full bottle of that hydrocodone that maybe I will try tonight to see if I can get some sleep.  If not, then tomorrow night I will try the percocet again.  As far as taking the pain meds, I feel like I could not take it, but at the same time when I am off of it, that sharp pain is attrocious and my knee is very sensitive to movement.  The slightest wrong move causes me to want to pass out.  With the meds, I can tolerate a wrong move now and again.  It still hurts, but is a little better.  I hope I can get off of the meds and crutches soon!!  I am getting used to the darvocet though.  I am not getting as "out of it" as I used to.  I don't have PT again until Tuesday afternoon.  Meanwhile I have the same exercises she gave me in my last PT post and added the pilates stuff....burns my muscles...feels so good!!  Anyway,  have a great night!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 21, 2008, 12:55:19 AM
Well...the good thing is that the pain meds are getting you through the day and the exercises. You havent been on them that long...so hopefully it helps you get strong. I know what you mean...Im a clock watcher too......even trying to just take advil is hard. I take them every 6 hours on the nose.......I cant believe how fast Im going through the bottle. Usually a bottle would last me a year or two. Crazy.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 21, 2008, 12:51:13 PM
Good morning all.  I am very unhappy right now.  I decided to try taking 2 hydrocodone last night instead of darvocet. Big mistake!  I didn't sleep last night.  I think I remember not seeing the clock between 4am and 5:20am.  Saw it at 11pm, 12am, 1am, 2am, 3am!  I tried relaxing, but it didn't work.  At 5:20am I already woke up late.  I had to get up at 5am.  Anyway, I am going to call my OS today about the sleeping stuff. I am trying to decide if I should call the PA's cell phone or leave a message for them to not return for days!  I don't have PT until next Tuesday, so I will not just see them until then. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 21, 2008, 12:56:07 PM
Good Morning Farrah
Just read your post and note from last night. Just wanted to get off a quick note to you- Sorry you had such a bad night sleep-UGH :P!
I am rushing off to do my PT exercises,  get a shower and then I have to head into town to get bloodwrok  for my coumadin. I have to allot so much extra time these days to get out and about on my crutches.  I will write more later-hang in there!  Are you a coffee drinker?  It may be a big coffee day for you.
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 21, 2008, 02:48:52 PM
Farrah...it may just be that you react to the Vicodan wrong.  When I was taking the vicodan I felt really shaky....I would actually be shaking...it was so odd.......eventually I felt itchy....so the doctor switched me to darvocet.  I know that Percocet makes people really hyper...so you might be reacting the same way.

Im not sure you are allowed to take sleep aides with narcotics because if the chance of respiratory depression...but you can ask the pharmacist too.....as a matter of fact....you might CALL the Pharmacy first and ask them what would be compatable with your darvocet and then you could specifically request that med from your doctor/PA.  Pharmacists are generally more than happy to answer med questions on the phone.

Sleep is the worst. I hear you....I can NOT sleep. I go back to work next Monday and it is going to kill me.  I lay there uncomfortale...toss around...finally meds will kick in and I will fall asleep a while...then, in a few hours I will wake up wide awake....sit up...rub my leg...put the ice machine on...sigh a bunch....turn the light on...stare at my leg.....look at my medication log to see if I can take more meds....look at my husband sound asleep.....put my TENS unit on my back...it makes me mad......finally I will fall asleep with the light on for a few hours. I used to like to sleep in....no way now.....I hate sleep....and it hates me. :-(   I wonder why pain is so much more at night.  I know people say it is b/c you dont haev anything else to think about....but, honestly...I dont have anything really to think about all day...and the pain comes at night. 

:-(  Im sorry....if we lived in the same house we could play a card game or something at night!!! :-)

I have great empathy for you. hope you get through your day without falling asleep on your desk!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 21, 2008, 02:51:44 PM
Okay, so I am home now!  Not only am I dead tired, my knee is absolutely killing me, and b/c of complications with my ob gyn yearly apt, I have been off my birth control for a month and have the worst woman monthly problems ever!!  So I am home.  I am about to take some tylenol PM and sleep the day away since I couldn't sleep last night.  I am not taking any prescriptions today b/c I don't want to accidentally overdose on anything!!  I want to take midol, darvocet, and the tylenol pM...obviously I can't take all of those...so I picked one!  I will get on again later when I wake up from my long awaited nap!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: JoniF on February 21, 2008, 03:35:00 PM
Good Night and dream of no more knee pain ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 21, 2008, 10:00:39 PM
I am awake again!  I slept for 6 hours straight!  I am still having horrible cramps, back pain, and my knee is killing me!  I found out I can take darvocet and midol together, so I am.  I will be taking that right about now.  I have to still coach tonight at 7pm!  So hopefully the meds allow for that! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 21, 2008, 10:26:32 PM
Thats great that you can take those together!!   Hope all the problems get better.....cramps along with everything else you have is just pure mean....ugh.  I hope tonight goes ok too!

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on February 22, 2008, 12:30:45 AM
WOW that just plain stinks.  THe pain thing is enough for the knee but to add the back and the cramps.  That just plain sucks.  Hope you are doing better.  How did your couching go tonight?
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 22, 2008, 01:29:43 AM
Hello everyone!  Coaching went okay.  I just stood there like always.  Since I took 2 midol and 2 darvocet before hand...my attitude was great!!  My constant knee pain is gone, but it is still sensitive to certain movments.  It causes the very sharp pain if I step wrong or bear too much weight as always.  THat hasn't changed a bit!!  I hope that gets fixed soon!  My PT always asks if I am feeling any better, and the answer has always been no change.  I will ask next week how much longer of that crap.  Anyway, still cramping, but no bloating!  My back still hurts like crazy.  I am okay though.  The meds have fixed my attitude about it tonight!  I kicked on of my gymnasts out of the gym tonight for showing attitude!!  It felt soooo good to do that!!  She was just getting mad at what I was telling her to fix...she is one of the coach's daughters!!  Anyway, I don't need attitude from a 10 year old!! I plan to go to work tomorrow...so hopefully all of this crap will subside.  I coach tomorrow night too followed by a dinner with all coaches and their husbands.  I am going to take another tylenol PM to help with sleeping tonight.  That will be the only other medication I will take tonight since I have taken so much already today. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 22, 2008, 02:06:49 AM
well...that is good that you are getting some funtion though.  I may be on only advil now...but, Im not working and Im one the couch and ice machine at home.  I go to work next Monday. Im sure I will be popping every pain med I can get a hold of on Monday night.  Today I ran by work for 30 minutes before PT to get a pair of Jobst hose.  My leg was THROBBING and had a burning friction like pain all the way from the knee down the shin......so, since I have back to back patients on Monday morning...Im going to be dying. 

Good for you for kicking someone out of practice. ha ha...I was looking at my patients on  MOnday....I dont think I have any of my problem patients on Monday....I have some women with real attitudes...I wont be able to take them when I dont feel good.......I wish some people would cancel..but, no such luck.

OK. I have to go now and get back on the ice machine.  OUCH.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 22, 2008, 02:25:43 PM
Good Morning all....today is a really crappy day so far!  I know it is only almost 9:30am here, but I feel horrible.  My period stuff isn't the problem anymore.  I thought taking just 1 tylenol PM would help not only with sleeping, but would  help enough for pain.  I was so so so wrong!  B/c I took so much medication over the day yesterday, all I could take was 1 tylenol.  Well any time I moved my bad leg last night I woke up b/c it hurt so badly!  Then I woke up with my very very very bad back pain.  Without medication, that is my normal backpain...and has been for about 10 years. Well today I am also having nerve pain which always came and went.  It is going from my hip down to my ankle.  My knee is hurting so bad that I could hardly drive this morning into work.  I was hunched over the stearing wheel during my drive too to help my back.  I was in tears during part of my hour commute in to work this morning. I just took 2 darvocet about 25 minutes ago and still waiting for some relief....

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 22, 2008, 03:06:09 PM
Farrah...do you have access to a TENS machine for your back.  I was having horrible back pain too. I have had it since my last knee surgery...it comes and goes...but after this surgery it was terrible.....way worse than the knee pain....the PT in Georgia changed the settings on my old estim unit to the pain setting. I put the 4 electrodes on my back and it has helped  a TON......

I sure wish i knew how to tell you there was an end to your pain.  Im so sorry.  :(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 22, 2008, 03:24:00 PM
I have a tens at home.  I may try it tonight if my pain doesn't go away. It is almost 10:30am and I am feeling a little better....tolerable I should say :)  Laura, sorry about your rough day yesterday.  Hopefully it is better today!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 22, 2008, 03:59:28 PM
Thanks Farrah.  Pain really beats you down emotionally. I get sooo sick of it.  I had a little pathetic 5 minute cry in the shower last night and then got to bed ok.  I slept ok....Im starting to think when I go back to work that advil might not cut it.  I think I will take all my meds with me and just see. Maybe I can take a 1/2 a darvocet and advil..that might help me but not knock me out at work.  Im on my ice machine now.  Have to get a shower and get to PT in an hour.....hopefully today goes ok.  I cant wait until that moment when I can walk without a wobble. I am no where near that mark. I know you understand.

That Tens machine really helped me..I was totally surprised.  When I put it on I sometimes fall asleep. Mine goes for 30 minutes. It is a EMPI machine. I have two sets of pads so I can control them seperately. I usually start off easy..but when my back settles some I crank it up higher.  You are supposed to put the pads where they make an X over the painful spot.  Anyway....I wish you luck.

When is your next PT?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 22, 2008, 04:20:56 PM
http://www.empi.com/empi_products/detail.aspx?id=58

That is my TENS unit that I own.  It works pretty well.   I could really use it on my knee right about now!  My next PT isn't until Tuesday.  I have a few exercises and stretches to just work on until then.  Meanwhile I imagine I will still have all of my stupid pain and no sleep.  UGH! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 22, 2008, 09:05:20 PM
Mine is different...it is this one:

http://www.empi.com/empi_products/detail.aspx?id=188


I assume they all do the same types of things.

Im sorry you have to wait so long to go back.... I hope  that your leg gets some rest over the weekend!

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 23, 2008, 04:05:42 AM
Good evening (night) everyone.  I just got home from my dinner with some of the coaches that I work with and their spouses and kids.  It was fun.  My knee became very stiff a few times, so I was able to put it up on my husbands lap a few times.  It hurt so much to move it from sitting to stretched out.  For the past few days I have really worked on walking normally without crutches.  Today at gymnastics I walked from one end of the gym to the other without my crutches.  I felt like I was walking normally.   I was pretty slow, but I did it.  Then my knee started hurting, so I was back to the crutches.  I can't even come close to trying that without the darvocet in my system.  THat SUCKS!!!  My sharp pain has been really bad today..the slightest wrong move kills.  I just can't wait to get stronger to end this crap!  I wrote on Laura's diary that I was considering walking in to PT on Tuesday without crutches.  I am curious what they would say and what their reaction would be...I just want to ditch the crutches.  I can walk...just not for long periods of time.  I have been really working on walking normally a lot even with the 2 crutches.  I think about every step and every positioning of my legs.  It is so weird to have to think about it.  I feel like when I walk without crutches that I am spotting something in front of me to help with concentration.  Anyway, I am ready to walk.   Maybe I will try it out on Sunday with 0 crutches!!  I will keep you posted on that.  I started getting some slight shin pain today...and one time my leg got some type of shooting spastic pain that made my leg pop up at work.  I screamed with pain...then it instantly went away.  It was very weird and uncomfortable..especially b/c someone was standing right behind me working on something with me on my computer.  Well my eyes are getting heavy and ready to sleep, but I know once I get in that bed, it will not happen...and if it does, I will wake up as soon as I change positions.  I am over this.  SO OVER IT! Oh well...I still have my positive thoughts about PT.  I don't go again until Tuesday then again on Thursday.  That schedule sucks!!  It is in the middle of the day...so I have to work 11 hr days on Mondays and Wednesdays to make up for it.  Oh well..have a great night everyone!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 23, 2008, 03:03:02 PM
Good Saturday Morning.  I am about 6.5 weeks PO and am feeling okay this morning...just my usual sharp pains during certain movements.  I have a fairly relaxing day ahead of me.  I have to go to a baby shower at 2pm, but I am thinking of "calling in sick".  I just want to chill all day since I had kind of a rough past few days.  I am going to hang out with my sweet dogs today since my husband has to help with cars again!  We have a date planned for tonight though....dinner and a movie.  I don't know how I will make it through a movie, but we'll see.  Last night's 2 hr dinner was kind of hard on my knee...hopefully the movie will not cause as much stiffness.  So I actually feel like I slept last night!  I do remember waking up a few times b/c of my knee, but I feel well rested finally!  I didn't even take anything...except the 2 darvocet at 9pm or so.  I dreamdt about PT last night...it was a bad dream though.  It was that I went to PT with 2 crutches and she told me that there is no more she can do to help the sharp pain I am having.  UGH!  I am sure it's not true!  Anyway, I will try for more positive posts from now on!  Sorry if I ever bummed anybody out. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 23, 2008, 03:13:52 PM
You are not bumming everyone out. If you cant tell the truth on here than it will bottle up inside you. We all understand how hard it is....everyone on here has their same fears, anger, frustration, insomnia...and...of course pain.  You just keep on posting whatever you feel......if someone is bummed out then they can just go read someone elses post!  :-)

Dinner and a movie. Ah....I cant wait until I can get out of the house.  I sill have to pick my leg up with my other hand so gettng out is crazy....I cant wait until I can actually look at my leg...tell it to move..and it will move! :-)

Hope you have a good day and get out of going to the shower. :-)
Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 23, 2008, 06:35:36 PM
So a very positive note!  I am not on any medication today!!  I am feeling the same...the sharp pain is still bad, but no constant pain.  Yes, my back kills, but I want to live with it since I am doing nothing else today.  I might try to go back on the Ultram ER tonight instead of darvocet if I still feel okay. That will help with my back pain.  It is nice to have control of my mind and not be so sleepy and loopy!  So another happy note...I had to move my car out of the garage so my husband's brothers could pull their classic car into the garage to install some new stuff on it. So when I moved my car, I walked down the stairs without crutches (one step at a time of course) then I decided while I was in the car that I would go get some lunch at subway followed by a stop at Walgreens to pick up a few things...all without crutches!  I limped, but I tried really hard not to and it was fine.  When I tried walking normally it was very difficult b/c of pain and I also had to walk very slowly.  I am feeling fine though!  People stared at me a lot!!  Anyway, so that is great news!!  I am soooooo excited!  I also have been playing fetch a lot with the dogs today.  I accidentally made some really really bad moves!!  It was okay though. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 23, 2008, 07:07:20 PM
Thats is great news!  I havent driven my car since the 6th of Feb.   My husband and I are going to get out and see how I do getting into the car and driving around so maybe I can take myself next week. Would be easier on both of us I think.  :-)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on February 23, 2008, 08:18:58 PM
Sounds great!  I cant wait till I can just use crutches and be WB!  That would be so nice compared to what I am doing now!
Ahhh things to look forward to!  ROm in a week  YEA!  havea great date!  I would love to go on a date with just my husband.  We are planning to get get lunch next week so I guess I will have to consider that a date.  It is getting out of the house!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 23, 2008, 08:24:29 PM
It's nice to get posts on here that are related to fun things and not so much feeling bad for pain!!  Hopefully they will continue like that :) 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 24, 2008, 03:18:43 AM
Okay so a little not-so-fun post.  I think I overdid it today.  I didn't take any pain meds all day which kind of forced me to be careful around the house since my knee hurt during slight motions and my back was killing me.  On top of that, my left knee has been really really bad.  Stairs are sooooooooo hard right now!  Anyway, so my husband took me out to Dave and Busters for dinner and a night of arcade games.  We agreed that would be a fun thing to do.  I thought I could handle it.  It was fun, but very painful in the end.  First we had to either wait an hr for a table or sit at the bar.  We chose the bar...with chairs so high that my leg hurt so much from hanging.  At 5'1" that isn't too hard no matter what.  So 5 minutes in to dinner I was dying already.  I took 2 darvocet with dinner b/c I knew playing the games would be difficult.  The crowds were so large that it took me so long to get from one game to another.  People didn't even care about me being on the crutches.  They would just walk right in front of me to play a game knowing that I was on my way there to sit and play.  Then the crowds were so large that there would be just enough space for me to get between a few people to get to where I needed to go, then a huge line of people would start through that space.  Then I'd have to wait for a few minutes for the line to end!  It sucked how people just didn't care!  I don't expect royal treatment, but come on, I can't just push my way through a crowd on 2 crutches.  I am now safely home and in tons of pain.  I am about to go do my PT exercises, ice with my foot on a coffee table, and then go to bed....I think I am going to sneak in either 2 more darvocet in 1 hr or 2 tylenol pm.  I guess I need to choose either sleep or pain.  I think 2 tylenol pm can knock me out enough to forget about the pain.  I have only been taking 1.  Anyway, the night was fun, but painful.  I can put 0 weight down right now without a ton of pain! I am also having a ton of constant pain in both knees.  My back is okay though surprisingly.   I will be able to chill tomorrow a lot again.  I am still going to try not to take the pain meds.  Have a great night!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 24, 2008, 01:56:51 PM
OUCH......Yikes Farrah.   Well....I dont know how soon you will be able to tolerate those things either. It sounds to me like you are a very busy person between regular work, coaching, and life.  Your body is having a hard time healing for sure and I guess it just doesnt want you to do so much?  Im not as far out as you...but my husband and I drove 10 minutes to have dinner at a sit down place with my leg up in a chair and it was hurting the entire time we were out.   I cant imagine dave and busters on crutches. That place is bad enough on 2 solid legs!  You are brave.

Im sorry you are in so much pain still.

Lauar
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 24, 2008, 03:39:43 PM
Good morning!  I slept last night!  I slept about 10 hrs!!  I had dreams and everything.  I did wake up a few times from knee pain, but I slept.  I had to take a tylenol pm to help with it though.  Last night after all of my activities and being in pain, I did my PT exercises, then hooked myself up to my TENS unit for my knee, propped my foot on the coffee table for that dreaded extension exercises, and iced.  After that, the back of my knee hurt from the extension, but the regular knee pain subsided some b/c of the TENS.  Well this morning I am in a lot of pain!  Both of my knees hurt and my back hurts.  I just ate breakfast a little bit ago and took 2 darvocet.  So hopefully I will be feeling better soon.  I don't have anything going on today except for a birthday dinner at my mother in law's for my brother in law tonight.  It will be relaxing.  I hope everyone else has a great day.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 25, 2008, 12:02:21 AM
Okay so I am at my mother-in-law's for dinner and getting ready to go to Dave and Busters again!  This time with the entire in-law family.  It will be fun.  My husband and I might not play much b/c of my knee.  We'll see.  I felt better this morning after the darvocet.  The pain came and went all day.  I tried not taking it again, but I couldn't help it.  I was in too much pain on the way to my mother-in-law's so I took 2 more darvocet with dinner.  I am sure it is for the better in case we do walk more tonight than we thought we would.  I hope everyone else is having a good day.  I will post tonight when we get home.  My prediction is....pain, pain, and more pain.  We'll see. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: buffettgirl on February 25, 2008, 01:26:32 AM
When I was in a crowd situation with my crutches...I goosed a guy inthe groin area with a crutch cause he was 'bout to know me down!!! I was just sheer joy to see the look on his face when I was hurting so bad and needing to leave the building. Try that next time and then go, "Oh I am sooo sorry and laugh" It was a VERY nice relief.  8)

Oh have y'all noticed how many non handicapped people park int he handicapped areas?

Have a great week!!!  kim
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 25, 2008, 02:40:45 AM
Hello...I'm back from dave and busters again.  It wasn't crowded at all tonight.  I walked with one crutch the whole time.  I was definitely achy and in pain by the end.  I also have that major sharp pain during many motions!  I'm tired of it!!!  I feel like I am getting nowhere with this stuff!!  At least I can probably walk with 0 crutches this week.  I am going to go to work with both in the car tomorrow.  I will leave them there until I can't stand it anymore.  As long as I don't limp, I can do it.  It seems the only time I can is with darvocet in my system though.  So we'll see how tomorrow goes.  I think I am going to switch to ultram ER tonight to see how I feel with just that.  That will help my back situation at least.  I really want to make some progress with something tomorrow!!  So I will keep you posted on how it all goes! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on February 25, 2008, 03:31:43 AM
Farrah,

I sounds like you are doing good.  One crutch is getting a lot closer to FWB.  I love Dave and Busters, but there is not one near me so I do not go very often.

Hopefully you will be FWB by the end of the week and then you will be that much closer to being stronger!  Good luck with walkiing this week!

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 25, 2008, 12:32:32 PM
Okay so I am at work and my crutches are in the car.  I am very worried about this decision, but I will manage.  I walked all the way through the lobby and up the elevator into my office without them.  It hurts in different parts of my knee and feels really weird, but I am walking.  I am on just the Ultram ER today...hopefully!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 25, 2008, 05:56:04 PM
Well I really really tried walking crutch free. I don't know if it was the best decision or not.  I could do it, but I don't think I was without a limp.  Since I can't extend it all the way, it hurt on the back of my knee really really sharp pain.  I can't describe the location.  It is on the back of my knee...if you were looking at my right knee from behind me, the pain is all the way on the right in one tiny spot...sharp pain!  My knee also gave out a lot and always hurt my knee cap when it happened.  Sometimes it also hurt my knee cap during random steps occassionally.  Maybe I am not ready or should just suck it up.  Any ideas from ya'll?? I have one crutch from my car now, but the sharp pain the in the back still hurts.  It just doesn't give out as much.  I am kind of frustrated!!  I wanted to walk in to PT tomorrow without my crutches so badly.  I just don't want them to get mad at me for trying it while potentially limping!  I don't want to develop any bad habits.  I think the problem is also that I am only on Ultram ER and not darvocet.  I want to call my pharmacy and see if I can take some darvocet on top of the extended release ultram.  Maybe that will help my pain right now.  My left knee hurts very much too!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 26, 2008, 02:03:59 AM
Well I took 2 darvocet at 1pm and felt about the same, just a tiny tiny bit relieved.  It mainly just kept my mind off the pain.  I still had that sharp sharp pain during small movements. It sucks!  I am tired of it!  I can't do anything without the stinkin' darvocet in my system!  Even then isn't that great!  I haven't taken any meds since then and definitely feel it.  I am going to stick with the combination of ultram ER and darvocet from now on until I can handle without the darvocet.  The back pain needs the ultram ER always.  Since the combination is safe, I may as well help both back pain and knee pain.  Well I have PT tomorrow at 11am where I plan on bring up a lot of issues with my PT.  I could hardly drive today.  Around 12:45pm I was back on at least 1 crutch.  I left the other in the car on purpose.  I am thinking maybe I just need to suck it up and go for it.  So that is probably why I have been so uncomfortable all day.  I know people are tired of reading me complain all the time about the same darn things!  I will post again later...or tomorrow. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on February 26, 2008, 04:19:00 AM
Farrah
 This is your po dairy so you can complain all you want!  I am sorry that you are not where you wanted to be this far.  I am at 5 wlk PO today.  Thankfully my pain hasnt been too bad today and I even got brave and used my crutches.  It was liberating to get around with them instead of the walker.  My back on the other hand is freaking out! 
   I hope you can get through your PT tomorrow and be ok. THinking good thoughts of healing your way and saying a little prayer for you tonight.
Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 26, 2008, 02:00:53 PM
Good morning!  I have had a really rough morning so far!!  I woke up
to thunder and lightning with no rain.  So I took the dogs out and
back in again and got in the shower.  Meanwhile the power is
flickering!!  Since the tornado i was in '99, I am scared of any type
of bad storms!  So all of a sudden while in the shower, my husband
runs in and says get out of the shower now!  Go in the basement!  The
storm got really bad in a matter of minutes.  So I had to run
downstairs while screaming, "get the dogs."  So we chilled in the
basement for a while until it went away.  Just a really bad strong
storm!  So I finished getting ready for work and left about 10 minutes
later than usual.  I get in the car and put my usual radio station on
to learn that the adjacent city is all out of power and that my
alternate route had tons of wrecks!  ATL traffic!!  So I start on my
normal route through towns during my usual 1 hr commute to work!  It
was like a war zone....trees down...trampolines in the middle of 6
lane roads, trees on top of cars!  There was also a tree on top of a
school bus.  So I was driving on top of trees and around them all the
way to work.

I am trying one crutch again this morning...same problems as
yesterday.  So far only on Ultram ER. I am 7 weeks today!  I am ready
to move on from this!  I started a note, but think I will just write
down a list to talk the PT.  I will post again after lunch!  Have a
great morning!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 26, 2008, 07:25:27 PM
Good afternoon!  I just got back from PT.  It went okay.I did a lot of
the same stuff as last time.  She added a few too.  The added ones had
to be altered b/c of pain.  I also did the water treadmill again.
That hurt the whole time this time.  B/c power went out earlier in the
day, the water wasn't warm!!  It was freezing cold!!  Maybe that is
why my knee hurt so much.  Anyway, she told me the pain behind the
knee is good pain...too bad it doesn't feel like good pain!  She also
said that I don't have to push myself to walk without crutches.  If it
 hurts afterwards, don't do it!  So I am back to 2 for now.  I will
still work my way down to 0.  She said I am taking good steps in
weaning myself off of them.  I also asked her if my knee was still
swollen or if it just looked weird b/c it wasn't bent all the way...it
is still swollen.   I also asked her when my sharp pains would go
away.  She did some tests to see exactly where I am at as far as that
pain goes...she will compare it every visit.  The test was that she
put a rolled up cloth under my knee with it extended and I had to
press it down.  She paid close attention to the pain levels during
different amounts of bend in my knee.  It hurt so much!  She said it
will all go away soon.  It will slowly get better.  I hate that
answer!  Oh well...still haven't taken any darvocet today, but I am
about to!  I can't walk much right now.  The knee cap hurts.  It was
still a good and informative PT session.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on February 26, 2008, 09:44:49 PM
WOW!  Thank goodness you guys are alright.  Sounds like a tornado went through there but sometimes just micro bursts do the same damage.  Glad to hear you are safe from the storm.
 
   Sounds like your PT is doing her best to reassure you that it will get better.  I am sure you had gone into surgery with a great amount of pain and was thinking that you would come out pain free.  Too bad that didnt happen.  It really stinks that what we imagine going to happen doesn't end up happening. I wish I could say something that would make you feel better. 

   But just think you could be like me and just starting ROM (nest week) at 6 weeks!  You are so far ahead of me and you are only two weeks PO than me.  I know that doesnt help the pain but to be thinking you wold be completely off crutches at 7 weeks to sounds crazy.  I probably wont get off them till I am like 12 wks PO since I don't get to actually walk on my leg till I am 8 wks PO.  Which really stinks. 

You have every right to b e upset about the pain!  Just wanted to give you somehting to be happy about....not sure I helped though.
go home and take it easy and rest!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 27, 2008, 01:46:58 AM
Hi Farrah.  Well...wow. That Georgia weather is crazy. I guess Im glad I made it back to Texas without a tornado..I think we had two warnings while I was there...yikes.  You and that basement are getting to be close!    I cant believe PT put you in a cold water machine. NO WAY.  I guess good for your swelling but probably terrible for your back. I bet you were really tensed up.

That is interesting about the rolled towel quad extension things. Those things kill me.  The PT in Georgia had me do them on a small towel and then on a big foam roller thing. The big roller killed my leg...BAD...the PT here said that is stupid and now I just do them on the small towel. I know what you mean..I feel like my patella HAS to be broken in half when I do those and my PT said there is no way my patella is broken. ha ha....I know they hurt. Mine hurts in very exact locations....all over the place but small locations.....it is so odd. 

Im glad she told you to go back to 2 crutches. You know..you can still practice a good healthy gait and practice putting your weight on the leg with the 2 crutches.  Im just so afraid that you are going to end up in so much pain that you cant take it mentally......dont beat yourself up for being on crutches.  You WILL get off of them.....I know you can go with out them b/c you do it sometimes...but maybe it will protect your knee while it heals.   I wish you could go to PT more often b/c they seem to bring up your spirits when you go.

Hope that you are doing ok on pain tonight.  Pain sucks!

thinking of you!
Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 27, 2008, 02:19:37 AM
Good evening...I just got home from work and coaching at around 9pm!!  .  Long day!!!!!!  First all that stuff with the weather happened causing me to be 30 minutes late to work...taking 1.5hrs instead of 1hr to get there.  Then I had to leave at 10:30am to go to PT which was a very long solid 2 hrs!!  That's not even doing everything she wants me to do.  It took a while to get to PT too b/c of the weather and down trees and power lines from this morning's storm.  After PT, I was pretty frustrated with the pain issues and having that answer that doesn't seem to help...that the pain will eventually go away.  It is so bad sometimes!!  Well after PT my knee was hurting and getting worse and worse as the day went on.  I didn't have an opportunity to take any darvocet until before I left work at 5:30pm.  By then the pain was so bad.  I walked on 2 crutches from PT until going home.  So the darvocet seemed to never work.  I was in tears in the car.  The traffic was still so bad b/c of down trees and power lines.  It took me 1.5 hrs AGAIN to get to gymnastics to coach.  On the way there, my knee hurt soooo bad to press the gas and brakes.  I could do it, I just cried every time I had to hit the brake a little harder than usual.  I tried following farther back, but in the ATL people just cut you off when you do that.  So I did my best.  Then I started to think of how bad it hurt and how badly I just want to play tennis, run, demonstrate again at gymnastics, roller blade, and do all that stuff that I love so much.  I am considering getting permission to start working out at LA fitness to do a bike cardio work out and some upper body stuff.  I just can't imagine walking in with crutches to work out.  That would be so funny.  S I am very frustrated with this pain that I keep getting.  At gymnastics, I couldn't hardly touch my foot down.  My muscles were also giving out any time I did try.  I guess I was just in so much pain and my muscles were trying to protect my knee.  At least that is what my last PT told me was the reason why your muscles just give out. 

Laura, if you are having similar pains as I am having, it is probably still b/c of muscle weakness....hopefully that is all it is.  I will go on your diary in a second to see how you are doing today.  I read yesterday's post. 

Melissa, I know I should be grateful to be where I am as far as being 7 weeks PO and being able to do what I can.  I just wish that I could do it all without pain.  None of my other Doctor's patients with the same surgery deal with this crap...and the others are on the same protocol. 

I have goals...mid-march is the beginning of my womens doubles tennis season (ends at the end of April), registration for the biggest 10k race in the world held on July 4, registration for the womens doubles tournament held in May, my 4-5 mile March for Babies walk on April 26, approaching the end of the gymnastics season and I haven't been able to demonstrate anything!!  I feel like these goals are not going to happen!  UGH!!  I am trying to plan for the future...I don't want to sign up for things that I will not get to do.  I am still kind of thinking positively...so don't worry.  The pain needs to just go away!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 27, 2008, 02:45:16 AM
Farrah....I think goals are great.  BUT...be realistic.  Mid march for a doubles tennis match?  NO WAY. I will be the meany here. You have terrible pain. You are on two crutches and you have no strength.....so,....you want to go do a tennis match?   Please dont do it. I dont want to read you on here with torn mcl, acl, pcl...etc......Your recovery sucks. It is not fair that you are havng so much pain etc.  But...setting yourself up for goals that you cant reach might just send you into an emotional tailspin.   I was told not to expect to do ANY sport until 6 months. I know we have different surgeries...we will have totally differnt PT protocols....but......I just know from reading your posts that you are in so much pain and have so much instability still.  I think the march of dimes walk is a great goal.  It is slow..it is happy...and it is not an impact sport.   If you cant run the biggest race in the world...why dont you volunteer at it this year?  It is fun to see the other side of the race and you can give back to a race that you love.  I know you dont want those suggestions but I dont want you to beat yourself up for needing to heal.

Hang in there.  Im soooo sorry you are in pain.

Oh..just a though b/c my commute is terrible like yours....do you ever take ice in the car?  I got two of those gel freezer packs..I take both and use one ..then the other on the way to work this morning and then back home..it felt great to have the ice on it.

take care!
Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 27, 2008, 02:53:45 AM
Hello Laura, it is my OS's fault that I have such goals as playing tennis in 4-8 weeks!  He had high hopes at my first PO apt!  As far as the race goes, I can at least register, then later on sell my number if I have to.  Since the race isn't until July, I figured maybe I can run.  I will just have to struggle some if I don't get to train ahead of time.  I will only do it if my OS says okay of course.  I just want to play tennis and run.  I am going to ask my PT on Thursday two things: can I ride the stationary bike at LA fitness and can I stand on a tennis court and let my ball machine throw the balls to one location so I can at least follow through the stroke.  I will not have to run or anything....just step...don't worry...I will only do it if I have the okay from my OS! 

I am so mad at myself over one thing!!  I saw the Physician's assistant today during PT...even talked to him.  I completely forgot to ask him about sleeping stuff!!  I still can't sleep!  I told my PT that, and she said that it will get better.  UGH!  Good night!  My husband isn't feel well, so I am going to go take an Ultram ER and a tylenol PM and try to sleep.  The tylenol has helped, except I can't seem to get up in the mornings.  Have a great night everyone!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 27, 2008, 05:54:56 PM
Good afternoon!  So yesterday was such a long and awful day.  Last night before bed I took ultram ER and a tylenol PM to help with sleep.  I was wide awake at 3am!  I feel back asleep eventually.  I can't believe that I woke up with that medicine in my system...I am really sensitive to sleeping meds.  They work well on me as far as getting me to sleep...unless I still have pain!  Anyway, so I woke up with my usual knee cap pain.  I used my two crutches during my morning errands this morning.  Since getting to work around 8:30am, I have tried back and forth from 2-0 crutches.  I had to go out for lunch and thought it would be okay to walk into subway with 0 crutches...WRONG!  It hurt like crazy and I had to walk so slowly.  My knee has been giving out a lot since yesterday too.  So that had to happen 3 times just in the past 1hr!!  It hurts b/c when it gives out, not only does the knee cap kill, but my back does too from leaning back with it.  Do ya'll have that problem at 7 weeks for those that are walking or trying to walk?  Anyway, I am back at work eating my lunch at my desk waiting for 1pm to roll around to get back to work.  I still haven't had any darvocet today...just the ultram er....so we'll see how the day progresses.  I have been taking it pretty easy.  I haven't had to walk much today at work.  I don't have to coach tonight, but I do have to work late to make up for some missed time for PT apts!  Have a great day everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on February 27, 2008, 06:58:30 PM
Farrah
   I didn't mean that you aren't grateful for where you are.  I was just well I guess what ever it was I was trying to do didn't help.  Sorry. 
   I do agree with Laura though honestly you are in so much pain that to think about even standing and hitting a tennis ball, I mean you might have to step but there is always some twisting in there.  Just becareful!   I too would hate to hear you are having to have surgery again. 
   As for the goals of the OS, sounds like he needs to modify them for each patient!  Such as in your case!  Honestly somtimes I think doc think they know who a patient will do but forget that each person and case are totally different.  I really hope you can get control over the pain.  I am sure not only are you  suffering but so is your husband (relationship) and if you are in pain how in the world do you concentrate to work? 
   I hope you have a much better day than yesterday!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 27, 2008, 07:14:12 PM
Melissa, thanks for your post.  I didn't get mad at your last post.  I understood what you were saying!  Through reading, sometimes it is difficult to interpret emotions while you are typing them out.  So don't worry...I am fine about everything you have said.  I think the reason I have been in so much pain is just from pushing myself.  I am doing what I am told to the absolute limit.  It took my PT yesterday to tell me it is okay to use 2 crutches.  So I am.  My SI joint in my back has been hurting during many of my steps.  It is 2:10pm right now and I can't hardly walk without the crutches b/c of my knee and my back now.  So I am not.  I hate that, but if I don't want to hurt, I have to listen to what my knee is telling me.  I am just frustrated that it keeps telling me to stop walking!!!!  As far as my OS's goals for playing tennis...at my first PO apt, I was in great shape.  I was equal to another patient (tennis player) he had at that time in her PO.  That is why he gave me high hopes for getting back into tennis fast.  Unfortunately the 6 week mark that he hoped would be when I could get back came and went!  Still no tennis.  I will talk to my PT tomorrow still to see if she is okay with me standing and hitting a ball.  I am sure she will say no, but I have to ask!  I hope everyone else is doing okay.  I am not in a lot of constant pain right now...just that sharp stuff when I move around or try to walk.  Oh well...still no darvocet.  I may take some later though.  Have a good one!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 27, 2008, 11:35:45 PM
So I took 2 darvocet at 3pm to help with the sharp pains during movement and walking.  I still can't walk without crutches without that sharp pain in my knee cap.  So I have been 2 crutches most of the day!!  UGH!  1 crutch feels the same as 0!  It has also been giving out a lot!  I feel like I am going backwards!!  UGH!!!!!!!!!  I am not looking forward to getting in the car shortly to drive myself home after work!  I know it will hurt!  I just want to walk!!!!!!!!!!!!  I made a long list today wtih goals and complaints again for my PT.  She will just say the same stuff....it will get better...and no tennis! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 28, 2008, 02:09:47 AM
Farrah
I just read all your posts from yesterday and today-I am so sorry you have had such a rough couple of days. Hang in there, keep trying and listen to your pain.  You are going to make progress even if it is tiny baby steps.  I am only a few days behind you but I am not even encouraged to try to go without crutches until next week (7-8 weeks).  Yes I have different protocol but it  just shows how wide the recovery range is.  So even if you are feeling you are behind what you originally hoped you are still within the big realm of those of us luck enough to enjoy an Fulkerson Osteotmy-hahahaha!
Hope your night is quiet and includes some pain-free TV watching and icing.
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 28, 2008, 02:21:20 AM
My tiny jack russell just ran into my calf muscle and caused me knee to give out big time.  I collapsed to the ground in tremendous pain and instant tears!!  I am still in pain a few minutes later. My knee has been giving out for 2 days now since my PT yesterday.   My dogs have just so much cooped energy and have been running circles around the house.  I was walking without my crutches for a second to get something and it happened.  I can't move my leg much at all right now.  UGH!  I think I am good for percocet tonight. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 28, 2008, 02:33:53 AM
Farrah.  I am so sorry you continue to have so much pain.  I just wish I had an answer.  I feel like you beat yourself up to meet someone elses protocol timeline.  Probably you did not have the right rehab for you at the begining and you are playing catch up.

If you are in pain day in and day out every single day please take your crutches.  They might help you get past this very bad inflammation cycle that you are in.  If your back is hurting that much you arent even walking with your legs right anyway......You dont want to learn a bad gait habit b/c you are so desperate to get off the crutches.  Seriously...try to take them both and practice a normal gait with less weight on your legs..just like the water treadmill.  I know they suck....you can still weight bear with them.

Im sorry your dogs knocked you down.  You just cant catch a break right now.  Sounds like ice and pain meds comign your way!

hang in there!
Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 28, 2008, 02:47:48 AM
I have been on 2 crutches pretty much since yesterday at PT.  I have only taken a few steps since then with 1 or 0 crutches.  I have a feeling I am going to have a long day of knee issues tomorrow.  I hope to goodness not.  20 or so minutes since my dog hit me, I am still in a lot of pain...it is very swollen.  I know it is nothing, but it hurts.  I have PT tomorrow at 11:30am.  I have a whole line of questions again.  I pretty much feel like giving up!  I know I can't...or it will never get better.  I am just getting so frustrated.  I am not in so much constant pain generally, it is just moving around that kills so much....like walking or moving my leg from the floor to something to prop up on.  I can't extend at all.  I am just tired of it!  I know I keep saying that!  Right now I am just in a lot of pain...so maybe I shouldn't be posting.  Oh well.  I am done for tonight.  Talk tomorrow...I hope everyone has a great night tonight and a great morning.  I hope I can sleep tonight.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 28, 2008, 03:01:04 AM
Im sorry Farrah. You need to tell your PT all of it. I have cried to my PT along the way. If you dont let them know how bad it is they cant fix your protocol. I hope that you are going to sleep ok. Im sorry your dog took you out tonight!

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 28, 2008, 12:34:23 PM
Good morning.  I took tylenol PM again to help wtih sleep...I was up all night!!!  My knee hurt at the slightest movement last night.  I am at work now after a long and painful 45 minute drive.  My knee is still throbbing from last night's events.  I have PT today at 11:30am.  I am sure nothing is wrong, but I have a feeling that PT will be more painful than usual today. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on February 28, 2008, 01:17:16 PM
Farrah,  Have you given Melatonin a try to help with your sleep issue?  I like the Twin Lab 3 mg melatonin the best (it just seems to help the most out of all the brands I've tried). I have started to have sleep issues since my revision so last night I tried 1 melatonin before I went to bed and was out cold w/in an hour.  It's not very expensive so it is worth a try...you can get it in any drugstore.

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 28, 2008, 01:22:51 PM
Thanks Karen, I will have to try that. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 28, 2008, 07:36:20 PM
Good afternoon.  I am back at work from PT.  It was a pain...literally.  She asked me how I was and I said the truth.  I told her that since last PT I was in lots of pain and couldn't walk.  Then I told her about what my dog did.  She then examined my knee and noticed the swelling.  She said no progrsesion exercises today.  I just did the usual ones...mostly balancing some pilates.  During one of my balancing exercises, I had to stand on a wobble board while getting a big ball thrown to me.  Well I kept losing my balance and falling off of it.  Well once I lost my balance and my knee gave out and I almost fell on the ground.  The PT asistant is a fun laid back guy.  We joke the whole time.  Well he kept tell me to stop spazzing out!  I got so mad at him for saying that like I was doing it on purpose!  So afterwards, I gave him back the ball and pushed it into his stomach to make a point that I was mad.  I didn't hurt him.  So later when I was doing a table exercise, he came and sincerly apologized.  Anyway, so I did the water treadmill again.  They made it really slow for me since it was hurting.  I looked like I was sleep walking it was so slow...could have started walking backwards.  Anyway, after all the exercises, she put iontophoresis on me to help with the pain.  It has helped some.  I will know at the end of the day when I am coaching.  Anyway, I told her about my knee giving out and she said it was just b/c I am weak.  Always the reason for everything.  I still showed my frustration and forgot to tell her my athletic goals.  Oh well...next time.  She also wanted me to work on getting to 1 crutch over the weekend.  I told her I will try.  That was it.  I will post again tonight.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 29, 2008, 01:57:34 AM
As soon as I took that iontophoresis patch off after two hours that I was told to keep it on, my pain came back hard!!  I have pretty much been NWB all day!!!  Every time I tried taking a step even with crutches, I couldn't do it.  It would hurt so bad around my knee cap and then sometimes it would just give out.  It was throbbing very much during coaching tonight.  I sat down to coach and had one of the girls get me some ice.  It felt good, but as soon as I took it off it hurt again.  I haven't been very good about taking the darvocet, maybe that is why I am feeling so badly.  I will be back on it better tomorrow.  I hope that helps.  I guess it will be a while until I can get off of it.  So I am just really pissed off as always about all of this.  It hurts so bad.  Not just the little bit that you can live with...like the kind you can't stop thinking about b/c it is so bad. 

Oh...tonight I have to put together a presentation about the career of architecture to present to 2nd-5th graders.  It will be fun...but I don't know how I am carrying all my presentation boards and my laptop into an elementary school!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 29, 2008, 02:55:41 AM
Farrah....I dont understand the PT.  They tell you to lose the crutches...then try one...then try two..now back to one?   ALL while you are in horrible pain and on pain meds...and on the floor crying in pain?   Gzzz.....do they not REALLY take time to understand how much pain you are in?   How frustrating for you.  Im sorry.  I would have thrown the ball at his head not passed it to his stomach.    Does anyone tell you WHY you have all this pain?  Lot of us are weak....horribly weak..but what is the PAIN from???

Im getting worried for you.  Again...Im sorry you have so much pain. I wish someone would help you understand it.....or..give you a plan to get better from the pain.

thinking of you!
Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 29, 2008, 03:06:29 AM
Laura, thanks for the caring.  I know I am in good hands...it's like tough love I guess.  They were pretty bummed that I walked in with two crutches today...made me feel horrible about it.  They were just bummed b/c I hurt so much to have to do it....they weren't mad at me by any means.  They took it easy on me knowing about my pain recently.  My PT knows where the pain is before I even tell her where...it is b/c other patients have the same problem with weakness.  Most of the knee people on here who had the same surgery were NWB for 6 weeks...I was only for 2 then WBAT-FWB for the last 5 wks.  They want me to be without crutches b/c that would mean I am feeling better.  So my PT told me to try to get myself back to at least 1 if I can do it without any pain.  In other words...don't give up on it.  My OS and my PTs are really really good.  They deal with a lot more complex problems than mine with lots of success.  They know what they are doing.  The exercises themselves during PT aren't that bad.  If it hurts the slightest bit, I tell her, and she alters it to keep it from hurting.  They care, but there is only so much they can do.  As long as I can keep getting stronger without pain during the exercise, then that is good.  She was actually thrilled with my muscles shaking during some of the things today. She still felt bad that the session ended in pain.  They care.  Just what can they do?  They can't water down the exercises any more than they already are.  It just sucks!  I just hope it gets better very soon.  I am doing everything I am suppose to. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 29, 2008, 03:12:48 AM
Ok...thats good.  Well...Im glad that they at least explain it all to you. That makes a huge difference I think.

Why were you let off at 2 week when others have to stay NWB for 5 weeks?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 29, 2008, 03:17:40 AM
Just a different protocol.  Fulkerson (the inventer of the surgery) says 6 weeks NWB...my doc says 2 weeks of NWB-PWB is good.  Then after that the more you try walking without pain, the faster it will heal...well the bone part is healing great!  The pain around my knee cap is not a problem as far as healing or not...it is just painful.  The important part is doing great!  No matter what, pain just sucks!!!  I wish there was more that I could do about it.  I just dread driving, sleeping, getting out of my car to run an errand, walking from my desk at work to the print room, etc.  The more I move around, the more it hurts.  Oh well....like right now it is throbbing..Have a great night!

What does it mean if my surgery knee is very warm while throbbing like crazy compared to the other??  Is that just inflammation?  I have never noticed it until tonight.  It is like really really warm...huge difference between my knees. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on February 29, 2008, 04:55:22 AM
Hi Farrah
I was without computer access most of the day today b/c our puppy chewed through the cord and i had to go to the apple store for a new one.
I am so sorry about this challenging recovery that you are experiencing.  I wish I knew the exact words to make you feel better. 
Have they mentioned at PT if they think you are doing too much?  They must realize what a demanding schedule you have.  Good luck with the presentation-sounds neat.
I  have had a packed day and when I just took off my short brace the swelling in my knee had all been squeezed down lower on my calf so the area near my incision was almost concave and the screws were sticking right up like tall mosquitoe bites or tic tacs standing upright under there....it was creepy almost like they could pop right through.  I hope they don't stay that way.  I am hoping it was just becasue the brace squeezed that area flat from wearing it so long and having such a busy day.
Hope you are sleeping soundly already.  I am going to find out if I can try the sleep supplement Karen mentioned, I have to  see if it  is allowed with my coumadin.....
Carol
I  am up and out early for PT but will check in with you later in the morning-hope your Friday is a good one!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on February 29, 2008, 05:08:53 AM
Farrah I wish things were better for you pain wise.  As for the warmth, if it stays that way I would call your PT or OS.  That is a definate sign of inflamation and you know it is in flamed by the pain but if this is somthing new then I would take precaution with it.
   Sounds like a fun presentation.  You could always go to the front office and asked if someone would be willing to help you get your things in to the building.  That might help you a great deal specially since you are on crutches.
  I hope you get a great nights sleep and wake up refreshed.

melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 29, 2008, 11:54:31 AM
I had a very long night last night...no sleep...pain!  The warmth in my knee is minimal this morning.  I had to take 2 percocet last night, so I am feeling okay this morning...thank goodness....still sensitive to movement, but I can walk.  I will still take it easy in case the meds wear off!  I will be on darvocet all day.  I will post on here again after my presentation.  I hope everyone has a great day!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 29, 2008, 05:45:27 PM
So the meds wore off quick this morning during my career day presentations!  I didn't have an opportunity to take anything until right now...12:40pm.  So my knee is really hurting.  I am about to take 2 darvocet with my caesar salad lunch.  I am tired of saying this, but I am so sick of this!!  The pain sucks.  I shouldn't have to take pain meds.  I am on ultram ER and darvocet with still minimal relief.  The warmth in my knee is increasing since this morning.  I guess it is really bad inflammation.  I am not worried about it...I just have never noticed it before.  I can feel it just sitting here without touching it.  Anyway, I have to work until 3pm then coach until 6:30pm, so I will get on again later!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on February 29, 2008, 05:55:34 PM
Farrah do you have any history of forming scar tissue?  Im worried with all your inflammation and pain that you might get some?  Especially with the increasing warmth in your leg?   I hate that you are in so much pain. I think I have about 1/4th of the pain you do and I think it sucks too. It is nagging and never stops......it gets really really old doesnt it?

I hope your darvocet kicks in for you.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on February 29, 2008, 06:01:20 PM
I don't know anything about forming scar tissue.  My first surgery was a piece of cake even though it didn't help me.  So I just know that I am suppose to massage my scar as much as I can.  I have been doing it now and then throughout a day. 

PAIN DOES GET OLD!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 01, 2008, 12:32:28 AM
Okay, so since my last post, I have gotten better.  I took darvocet at around 1:30pm or so.  It has been 6 hrs since my last dose and I am currently okay. I am about to take some more.  I coached from 4:30-6:30pm and was in some pain and tried to walk anyway.  I couldn't really do it.  My knee cap just hurts too much.  With darvocet in my system, I can do better usually.  I am going to keep trying.  I have high hopes of remembering medication all weekend.  I really really want to walk with no crutches. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 01, 2008, 02:04:18 AM
Hi Farrah. Im glad you  made it through your day.  You are the busiest recovery person on line. I feel for you because I dont think you ever get to lay down and chill out.  I hope you have a slow weekend to heal some.  Glad the pain meds are helping some.

I hear you on the no sleep thing. I hate nighttime...it is the worst.  I toss and turn EVERY night.....sooo old.  My pain meds will knock me out from about 1030 to 500....then Im up in pain just trying to get that last little bit of sleep before I have to get up. I dont even know why I bother...It is odd how hard the nights are.

Hope your night is going ok!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 01, 2008, 02:15:12 AM
Hey Girl..I want to sleep from 10:30-5!!!  I decided to skip darvocet and take the hydrocodone tonight.  I took 2 about 30 minutes ago and am very sleepy and ready to catch up on some well-needed rest!  I have a few things scheduled for the weekend, but right now I am ready to sleep.  This is it for me tonight.  Have a great night!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 01, 2008, 01:24:36 PM
Good Morning all...I only slept from about 10:30pm-2am.  I was up the rest of the night staring at the ceiling.  UGH.  I think the hydrocodone wore off around 2am or so.  I am about to eat some breakfast and take some more.  I am going to try to take that for this weekend instead of darvocet.  Maybe that will get me able to walk!  At night what keeps me from sleeping is when I move my leg...I can feel very sharp pain in my knee cap.  I still feel it during the day no matter what meds I am on.  I guess at night I just don't have control over where my leg wants to go while sleeping.  I am going to watch tennis in our beautiful 65 degree weather today.  I may also take the dogs to the dog park...we'll see how I am feeling.  My knee is still very warm...it is just so weird...I wonder if it was always like that and I just noticed.   Until 12pm, I plan on sitting on my butt with my leg relaxing.  Feel free to e-mail/post me...I will have my e-mail open until then.  It warns me when I have an e-mail or a post.  Have a great weekend everybody!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 01, 2008, 10:19:52 PM
Good afternoon.  Taking the hydrocodone all day has been great.  I still have pain, but it is so tolerable unless I take a bad step or a certain move....then I would have my sharp pain.  I watched tennis today and couldn't help but crutch over to the service line and serve a few on one leg.  They were really great serves.  As long as I didn't have to put my surgery leg down, then I was good.  I didn't do a full serve...just threw the ball up in the air and did a straight hit.  I didn't twist my body or anything.  When tilting back, I didn't put my surgery leg behind me.  I just had the toes down so I wouldn't put too much weight down.  Once the balls were over the net, I crutched over to pick them all up.  I didn't walk a bit or put my bad leg down!!  I only did for about 15 minutes.  It was so fun though!!  I am going to talk to my PT for sure on Monday about standing in one spot on a court and hitting some balls from my ball machine.  It seems as long as I don't use my bad leg, then it would be fine.  It hurts my "good" leg, but that will eventually get fixed.  So I am not worried.  Anyway, I plan on resting the rest of the day until I go out with my husband.  Tomorrow I have to work at the architecture firm.  I am going to make sure I keep the hydrocodone in my system through the rest of today and tomorrow.  It keeps me going without as much pain. Maybe I will get a full nights sleep tonight.  Have a great evening everyone! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on March 01, 2008, 11:22:45 PM
Hey Farrah
    I just wrote this same message but my ferrets jumped up on my lap and wiped out everything I wrote.  The crazy things.  I love them though!
   Anyway sounds like you had a great day!  Glad to hear you got to do what you love with safety taken.  GOta  question and maybe you alredy posted this....why have you not been taking the hydrocodone all the time?  It seemed to me when I took it regularly that my pain was more controled.  Is it the side effects?  I still take it occassionally when I need to.  It was my biggest friend besides ice in the beggining of all this.  Now I take it when nothing else is helping.
  I did sleep with no brace last night and it made a HUGE difference.  I have also tried bending my knee. It does well.  I can almost get to 90 without pain...the closer to 90 the more discomfort and a bit of sharp pain around the knee cap.  Reading what everyone else has been doing with that it sounds normal to me.  I am not pushing though I am sure the PT will do that for me. 
  Hope you havea great night and a good nights sleep...could it be the pain meds keeping you awake to?  Just a thought...
melssa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 01, 2008, 11:34:55 PM
Hello Melissa!  I have been taking darvocet during the day.  My OS gave me hydrocodone to take mainly at night if the medicine bothered me during the day.  Well the first time I tried hydrodcodone at night, it didn't help me at all!  I suffered the entire night that I took it b/c I couldn't take anything else to help with the pain it didn't fix.  Well the darvocet hasn't been helping very much lately, so I tried the hydrocodone again.  It helps more than darvocet, but still not enough to be able to walk normally or move around very well.  It still keeps me feeling better...so I am going to keep with it.  It makes me tired, but at this point with my pain, I don't care.  I am thinking if I take it every 4-6 hrs on the dog, then maybe I will feel less pain and be able to at least walk.  The meds may be the reason I can't sleep at first, but once I get to sleep my pain is what wakes me up.  Maybe I am never in a deep enough sleep and that is why I notice the pain more at night.  I don't know.  I have tried sleeping without meds in the past, but that was a huge bust! 

That's great that you are finally getting some sleep!!  Sleeping with the brace was very uncomfortable for when I had to do it.  When you start to push your ROM, you will feel a nice tight stretch around your knee.  It is normal.  It will get easier and easier.  I am still not at full range yet.  I think I have been stuck at 120 for the last few weeks.  My PT hasn't been measuring the flexion, just the extension.  My extension is almost at 0 now!! She thought that would help with walking, but not yet.  Anyway, have a great night!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 02, 2008, 04:36:32 AM
Goodnight everyone!  I think I am allergic to my hydrocodone that is helping with my pain so well.  I am itching all over like crazy!  I am still about to take my last dose of the day anyway.  I hope everyone sleeps well!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 02, 2008, 04:47:08 AM
that happend to me too. yuck!  I have a whole bottle full in my cabinet.....sigh
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 02, 2008, 03:54:28 PM
Good Sunday morning.  I am definitely doing much better with hydrocodone in my system...except for the itching!  I didn't get to sleep last night until about 5am and then slept until about 9:30am!  I think by 5am the last dose of hydrocodone wore off and maybe that is why I could sleep...I guess the meds keep me up most of the time!  Anyway, I definitely need the meds this morning, but really don't want to itch so much again.  Oh well...it is either itch with less pian, or not itch with a lot of pain.  I really want to walk today too.  So I will go with the meds.

I forgot...last night when my husband took me out for dinner, I decided to leave the crutches in the car since I was feeling okay from the meds.  So I walked in and out of the restaurant almost normal he said.  He said I walk a little stiff legged.  I guess I don't bend my surgery leg very much to walk.  Anyway, as long as I have hydrocodone, I can keep trying!  I am happy about that!  Well I am off to shower and head to work for a few hours...followed by shopping at dicks sporting goods to buy a new jacket to replace my favorite lost one.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on March 02, 2008, 05:16:01 PM

You can always try benadryl to help with the itching.  Unfortunately, that is a side effect and could be a sign of being mildly allergic to the medicine.  I have the same reaction to morphine. 


Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 02, 2008, 08:12:47 PM
Thanks Diana!  I might have to try that.  I decided to go shopping before coming to work and I did it all without crutches!!  I love pain medicine now!!  I don't know why I didn't just take this stuff always instead of the darvocet!  I am still going to keep trying to not take it now and then just to see if I can walk without it.  I don't want to become addicted or anything either.  It is just so nice to not have to think about my knee pain!  Since hydrocodone is a narcotic, I have to be careful driving.  I try to make sure the drowsy symptoms subside before driving...so I am good.  Have a great day everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 02, 2008, 11:56:24 PM
Im glad you are doing better.  You know they study pain meds and say that you can get by with taking LESS pain meds if you take it around the clock verses playing the catch up game.....so...instead of getting into horrible pain and having to take 2 vicodan and ultram etc...you might be doing better taking 1 vicodan aroudn the clock...or 2 if you need it....but take it consistently and see if that helps you while you are building up the strenth...then you might drup down to taking 1 consistently....then maybe phase onto some NSAID consistently....they see if you can wean off of it over time.  Im glad that you are having a better day overall!  Too bad you had to work. bla
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 03, 2008, 12:04:43 AM
Hello Laura, for today I have taken 2 hydrocodone every 5 hrs or so.  Starting tomorrow maybe I will try taking 1 at a time instead of 2.  I feel much better when I am on the meds, but still have a lot of pain during certain things (walking and any type of extension weight bearing or not weight bearing).  It still hurts to walk, but is much more tolerable.  I really hate that I only feel like this b/c of the meds.  The meds also drain me big time.  I am sitting here after just getting back from the dog park.  My dogs are sleeping next to me and I am feeling sleepy too.  The meds make me feel like I have been drinking...red cheeks and all.  I just don't care how the meds make me feel except that it is a great pain reliever.  I hope that my efforts of walking today will not be regretful tomorrow...especially b/c I have PT tomorrow evening.  If I feel the way I do now tomorrow, then I will try no crutches again tomorrow.  I would love to walk into PT without crutches!  The only thing is...they will not know it is b/c of pain meds.  They will think it is b/c I am better.  Then when I try to get off the meds one day, I could be back on crutches and then they would think that I am hurt again...when in reality, I always was.  Ya know?  What do I do about that?  Just telling them about the pain meds will not make them remember for next time.  I just don't want them to have false hope with me...thinking I am getting so much better when it is only b/c of really strong pain medicine!  I will worry about that tomorrow...

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on March 03, 2008, 12:31:32 AM
Farrah,

I have been following your progress for awhile now and I have to step in and give my thoughts.  You are obviously in pain and are taking a lot of pain meds to get through your day.  At almost two months post op you should not be on this many pain meds.  At two months post-op from all of my previous TTT's I was fine and well on my way to recovery.  I hiked 4 miles in the woods-up and down hills-at two months PO from my first TTT.

You need to get into your OS ASAP.  Pain meds can be good for relieving temporary discomfort and helping to get through the day.  They should not be used to mask pain that you are in so you can do otherwise painful activities.  Pain is there for a reason.  It is an indication that something is wrong in your body.  You should not have to take as many pain meds as you do just to get through your day. 

You need to get in to see your OS.  Call your OS's office and let them know you are in serious pain and need to get in to see your OS.  Make sure they know.  Bottom line, your knee should not hurt this much at nearly two months post-op.

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 03, 2008, 02:01:21 AM
Brianne, thanks for your concerns.  I have told my PT and my OS about my pain and they say it will go away once my muscles get stronger.  I wanted to ask you some questions on the side if you ever get a chance to either PM me or maybe we can chat somehow.  I will be online off and on all night if you are on again. 

Here is what I am experiencing...
Without pain meds, I can't walk at all.  I also can't move my leg very well as far as extending my leg.  It also hurts to tighten my muscles and do a forwards SLR.  Most of the pain is all around my knee cap and just under and below it.  When I try to sleep, I wake up any time I move my leg from having it bent to straight or vice versa.  It also hurts from moving it from flat on the bed to up on a pillow. The pain levels when I am having constant pain is about a 3-6 (I am not always in constant pain, but the pain is always there if I move wrong).  While trying to walk with crutches or am on my feet for a while it gets up to 8 or 9.  No matter what, if I don't have pain meds in my system, I can't hardly move my leg from one place to another while sitting.  So I don't think it is that bad...I am not always in constant pain.  I just always feel like not moving b/c it hurts usually.  My PT exercises at home don't hurt.  The ones in the clinic don't usually hurt much, but usually will hurt so much afterwards and through the night and sometimes the next day.  That is when the pain meds help so much!

With pain meds, all of the sharp pain is tolerable.  It is still sharp, but much more tolerable some how.  I can also walk with minimal pain around my knee cap.  I just feel stronger with the meds.  My knee still gives out sometimes while trying to walk.  I still have to be careful when I take steps.  With pain meds, I can't slightly bend my knee and put weight on it...in other words I can't catch myself from tripping or losing my balance without pain.  The pain meds ultimately just keep me from thinking about it all!!  I still have to be careful, but I am not suffering in any way.  I don't think any of this is a problem to be concerned with.  They gave me pain meds for a reason.  I can't get stronger unless I can do my exercises without pain.  I can't feel better until my muscles get stronger.  So that is why they gave me pain meds.  My PT says this is not uncommon for Fulkerson people to go through.  I guess nobody else on here has gone through it.  Maybe I am just unlucky.  Or maybe you all are lucky. 

Brianne, please e-mail me or something.  Thanks!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on March 03, 2008, 02:27:58 AM
Farrah, I am online right now on AIM.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 03, 2008, 01:48:08 PM
I feel like I actually slept last night once I got to sleep.  I was actually late for work this morning b/c I was so sleepy.  I haven't taken any meds yet except for the ultram er...I was hoping I wouldn't need anything else.  I was wrong.  I am on 2 crutches at work right now and about to take some hydrocodone.  My knee is throbbing and hurts to move around.  :(  I am sure I will feel better once I take something.  I plan to talk to my PT tonight about all this pain again.  I don't think she undersands how bad it really is.  Brianne made me understand that I shouldn't have to take as many meds to get through the day or to try to walk.  So we'll see how it goes today.  I am probably my PTs last patient today, so it will be easier to talk to her.  Have a great day today!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 03, 2008, 03:02:41 PM
Hey Farrah. I think that is a great idea to talk to the PT again.  If you gloss it over for them they wont know how much you really hurt.  If you take a minute before you go in tonight and read over all your posts for the past two weeks you will see how many times you post that you are in a lot of pain......I feel terrible for you.  I dont have your surgery so I dont have a reference point......I know pain is terrible.

We have crazy bad weather this morning...thought of Georgia driving in this morning..not sure if you all will get this front that just rolled through but it was a doozie for morning traffic.

Hope you feel better today.
Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on March 03, 2008, 03:54:52 PM
Good luck today Farrah.  I hope that you are able to talk to your PT and let them know exactly what is going on with your leg.

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on March 04, 2008, 12:45:30 AM
Hey Farrah hope your PT went well today.  How are you doing and how is the itching going?  A friend of mine has the same reaction and she takes benadryl  as well.  Said it really does help.
  Hope your afternoon and early evening has gone well
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 04, 2008, 01:23:04 AM
Good evening ladies.  PT was very rough for me.  I am very upset right now.  There was a point where I really hated my physical therapist b/c of the lack of caring (seemed like it) and time to help me.  When I arrived, she put me in the extension machine after taking about 5 seconds to look at my knee and hear my pain complaints.  She had a little concern b/c she asked me when my next OS apt was.  Then one of the assistants took me out of the machine and took me through all my gym exercises.  He made me do squats!!!  I was able to hold on to something to go down and pull myself up.  I didn't use my right leg much, but it hurt sooooooo much.  All the other exercises hurt.  So when I was done with everything, still not having seen the PT, the assistant put ice on me.  I then went into tears.  I was very upset that I went through all those exercises in so much pain and then was in more pain b/c of it.  I tried to hide my tears to not be so dramatic.  Both the assistants noticed me being upset and felt bad and asked if I wanted some water or something.  One of them wrote my pain level down...which is not something they usually do.  During icing all by myself in the exam table area, the physicians assistant saw me sitting there and came in to say hello.  He asked what was wrong, and I just told him nothing.  He knew what was wrong.  He joked and said it is 6:30pm on a Monday evening and I am sitting icing in therapy.  I should have taken that as an opportunity to complain!!!  I am so mad at myself for not doing it.  Well my PT was still busy when I was done icing.  So I went into the dressing room to put my pants on instead of the shorts.  I broke down into tears in the locker room.  I didn't want my PT to see me so upset.  So I started walking out very slowly with my face all red and looking down.  Then she started asking me how I felt and she saw how upset I was.  Then she took me over to an empty area and we finally talked.  I told her how bad I was feeling and how much pain medicine I have to take all the time.  She continued to say that it will get better.  She said she has noticed my muscles have gotten stronger.  She reexamined my knee and did some soft tissue work on my IT band and my calf muscle.  Then she taped my knee to see if that would help.  She then watched me walk to see if it helped.  It helped a tiny bit.  She felt really bad that I was hurting so much.  Anyway, that is my frustrating PT story!!  It is not getting better!!  The stories are getting more and more depressing to me.  Right now I am in pain, and just took my ultram er and 2 vicodin.  Hopefully I will be feeling better soon.  The tape isn't helping very much.  Have a great night everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 04, 2008, 02:10:07 AM
Farrah....why dont you TELL THEM....dont keep it to yourself.  You need to stand up for yourself when you get there and tell the assistant that you want your PT to come see you b/c you are in so much pain. Gzzz....Im mad at them FOR YOU.    Dont beat yourself up for feeling pain....someone needs to listen to you.  I wish i could go in with you and yell at someone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I know you tried to tell the PT at the beginning....if she/he didnt listen you need to request that the PT comes back over and tell them AGAIN...tell the PA too.....gosh..I am so sorry.  I wish they had an eval system. I have to fill out a thing when I check into PT. It is a smiley face sheet....rates my feelings of my pain...my use of narcotics/NSAIDS, my feeling of how my strength is an my daily life activiites........Just makes me so mad that they are not listening to you.   >:(    maybe you need to write it down and give it to them in a short written form every time you check in so they have it in writing and they cant ignore it.

sigh. im sorry..I hpe your ice and pain meds kick in soon.

Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on March 04, 2008, 02:17:36 AM
Sorry to hear you are in so much pain...be careful taking so many meds at one time.  Its too bad the PT isn't listening because you are definately in a painful situation!  You shouldn't beat yourself up for the pain, just start screaming it to the doc, PT, PT assistant and anyone else that you might see.  Make another appointment to see the OS earlier and be straight forth with your pain...Might be a good idea to take you hubby with you as a witness to your pain!  Male docs occassionally do not take women serious when it comes to pain, some male docs take it as "drama queen" thing...  Get forceful you arent getting better and they need to know this!
Maybe you should stop PT for a week just do the sets at home and then go back and start again...just a thought, give yourself a rest so your knee can take a break so to speak but continue to do some of the exercises that dont cause the pain at home.

I agree with Laura I would like to smack them around for you too!

Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 04, 2008, 02:24:03 AM
Besides not talking to the PA when he came to me today, I feel like I have told the PT everything.  I wish my PT had that check in thing like yours, Laura.  Do they actually look at it?  It sounds like a good system.  What really made me mad is that my PT said that b/c I was able to walk in on one crutch last Tuesday, then I shouldn't be having so many problems getting back to that.  The only reason I was able to do it is b/c of stupid pain medicine!  Is that suppose to be a good reason????  NO!!  Since I briefly spoke with the PA tonight, maybe I will call him tomorrow and talk about the pain medicines.  The hydrocodone makes me feel horrible in my system...it is good on my knee though.  I say that I will call, and I probably will not.  We'll see how pissed I am by tomorrow.  I am sooooooooo depressed!  I haven't smiled since PT.  I usually am a very happy person.  The meds have kicked in some, so I am feeling okay.  I have a primary care doctors apt tomorrow morning to check my cholesterol (high cholesterol runs in my family).  Maybe I can talk to them about all of this.   My PT just doesn't seem concerned...so I guess there is nothing that can be done except continue to take pain meds.  I will be 2 months tomorrow!! 

My previous PT e-mailed me today to see how I was doing.  I told him the stuff I have been working on and the pain levels I have been having.  He just assured me that it will get better and to not get discouraged.  He has seen me at my worst.  So he knows that I am not a wimp and am very frustrated.  I was much more open with him than with my new PT.  I will have to work on that.  I know some of you guys hate reading my posts b/c it seems like I don't do anything to help my situation.  I am just a "tough" girl and hate complaining to the medical professionals about it.  I don't want them to tell me there is nothing wrong and no reason to experience what I am.   Anyway, I am going to bed early tonight to try to get some sleep without sleeping through my alarm.  Have a great night everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 04, 2008, 03:29:46 AM
Farrah, Im so sorry you are going through this. Pain is horrible. I hope that someone listens to you tomorrow when you talk to them.  I want you to start a pain log for your PT/doctor.  Just make your own rating system.  short and sweet....a small journal book you can take with you daily.  I bought one before my surgery at barnes and nobles..it is like a palm size notebook.  Put in there every day. Woke up pain level 5. took 2 vicodan. Lunch pain level 3.....PT pain level 12......log your pain, log your narcotics, log your ultram.  You have to have record of your pain levels through the day, through PT, through the night...and your meds so someone can VISUALLY see it.  I tell you what...when my patients do that for me it helps.  They record their contractions for me...I can SEE the trends. I can copy it for their chart. I dont forget it.  I have them record all sorts of things and what they were doing the day of or the day before so I can see what might be the problem. It REALLY REALLY helps.   It doenst have to be a novel. Just some sort of coded system you could both understand.   For instance....I have my patients write their contractions and they put a "s", "M" or "L" and a time.  for small, medium, large contraction.  so they put.... 10:00 S (45).  so..at 10:00 a small contraction for 45 seconds.....etc.   

I hope you will do it..and I hope you will give it to them. If they dont have a system you can make one for them. 

hope you sleep some. Im sorry you are so sad.
Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 04, 2008, 05:13:48 PM
Good afternoon.  I had my regular doctors apt today and came in to work with so much to do.  So it is lunch time and my first opportunity to post.  I woke up in an enormous amount of pain.  I have been on 2 crutches for days now.  I didn't get to eat until about 10am this morning and took 2 hydrocodone at 10:30am.  It is 12:00pm here, and I am dying of pain.  It is probably a #7 right now.  I called my physician's assistant today leaving a breif message that darvocet is no longer helping and I am having itching problems with the hydrocodone.  I told him percocet is the only thing that helps, and I am running low since surgery.  I also left a statement saying, "I'd appreciate a call back."  The lady I left the message with is a friend of a friend and recognized me over the phone.  She put me on hold to go see if the PA was available so I could get it taken care of right away, but he was in surgery.  I have a feeling she will make sure he returns my phone call this time.  The weather is groggy here, so maybe that is why I am in so much pain.  Either way, I shouldn't have to deal with this. 

I want to just go home for the day, but I have too much work to do.  When I got to work from my regular doctors apt, I had to spend 15 minutes looking for a parking spot in the parking deck.  Once I found one, I had to walk 10 minutes to get to my office in the rain and cold!!  Not a good day.  I am extremely depressed right now!  I have been in and out of watery eyes from wanting to cry from pain.  If anybody would ask what is wrong with me, I think I will just burst into tears.  I just can't move my leg in any way whatsoever.  I can't stand at the design table in my design studio to meet with 3 other architects about a project.  We had a short meeting this morning, and I was ready to just sit down already after only 1 minute of standing.  This is getting ridiculous and I just want to give up!!  I hated calling my OS's office to complain about pain again.  It's just too much!!  I feel like a wimp.  If percocet is the only thing that helps now, doesn't that mean something??  I think I am in more pain now than right after surgery!

Laura, I will start that log tomorrow!  Great idea!  I doubt they will care though. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on March 04, 2008, 05:55:19 PM
Farrah,

I am sorry you are still in lots of pain.  I just do not buy one bit of your PT's story that once you increase muscle strength you will no longer have pain.  I have had weak muscles and never a fraction of the pain you have.

At this point I think that you should call your OS's office and tell them that you are in too much pain and the pain meds are not working and you need to be seen NOW!  Being a Post-Op paitent they need to take your request very seriously.  There is no reason you should be in a lot of pain at nearly 2 months after surgery.  If nothing else, they need to help you get this pain under control.  Do not be afraid to be very blunt with your OS's office, sometimes you need to do that to make sure they will listen to you.

Good luck and I hope the pain subsides for you.

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on March 04, 2008, 06:13:01 PM
Farrah,  I totally agree with Brianne...I don't buy the story either.  I am 2 weeks PO from a revision and I am not in the amount of pain you are in.  Call you OS and fight to get in TODAY...Don't take no for a answer.  I know these are trained professionals but my Cracker Jack Medical Degree tells me this is just not right.  Popping pills to cover the pain is not helping fix the cause of the pain.

Hope the day gets better !!
Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 04, 2008, 10:00:35 PM
Farrah..I agree too. You shoulndt be in this much pain.  I am 3.5 weeks post op with LOTS of crap cut up inside my leg...two tendons, some patella and a major muscle. Im in pain but covering it with only Advil/ ice

I asked my PT about pain with my exercises today and she said it is normal to ache while I do them but should not "hurt"...and the ache should be gone by the next morning or I did too much.  You are in crazy all out pain. Im worried about it..and you.

:(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on March 04, 2008, 11:42:16 PM
I agree!  I am only 2 weeks behind you and I am not in any pain with my surgery knee that can't be controled with tylenol extra strength or advil.  I take stronger when my back and other knee is killing me.  My PT says the same thing about pain, if it is hurting and doesnt go away by the next day there is something else going on. 
   I know you have to trust your PT and your doc.  I am a strong person too, will not take pain meds unless I am at 7 or higher.  You stated that you get nervous about the medical people, they are just people with a degree just like you!  They went to college just like you did!  Just people, you really need to be blunt or go get another opinion.  Something is causing the pain in the knee.
  Just worried about you!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 04, 2008, 11:43:09 PM
Hello everyone.  I am feeling horrible right now.  That hydrocodone just makes me feel bad all over and doesn't really help the pain enough.  My OS's PA actually called me back on my way home from work!  Imagine that!  It only took about 7 hrs this time instead of 5 days!  Anyway, I told him about the trouble I am having with pain.  He called in a new prescription for me for the pain...tramadol.  I think it is very similar to my Ultram ER, but stronger.  Anyway, I straight up asked him why I am feeling the way I am after 2 months.  After he asked, I told him where the pain was and everything.  He seemed a little concerned, but couldn't do much about it except give me more pain meds.  He asked me if I have felt any different from the past 2 weeks of PT...I said not at all.  He kind of paused for a few seconds before continuing to say that my quads are just so weak and that is why I am having so much pain in my knee cap.  He said it just takes time and that this is very common in this surgery I had...whatever!!  Not common on this website with 10 other people who have had it.  Oh well...maybe it is common with his protocol.  Anyway, I showed my concerns and he could tell in my voice that I was not happy.  He said that him and the rest of the medical team is not doing a very good job of controlling my pain.  So I guess I will be taking more pain medicine until at least my OS apt on March 13th.  We'll see how I feel after this new medicine.  I know you guys think my OS sucks!  Oh well.  I don't think he does.  I just think my protocol is the reason I am having so many problems.  I don't think there is anything wrong with me.  I just don't understand why he asked me if I have felt any different in the last 2 weeks??  If I am suppose to feel a little better, he would ask that...if not, then he wouldn't have.  So I am not feeling any better...so now what??? Oh!  Just take pain meds.  That will make the pain go away!  Anyway, I am still confident that I am in good hands...just not feeling well at all.  I have to go coach gymnastics now.  I will be on the computer again around 8:30pm or so.  Have a great evening.  I am sorry if I disappoint people.  I disappoint myself to.   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 05, 2008, 12:45:39 AM
Farrah.   One thing you also need to be aware of is the impact narcotics can have on your mind. They can make you sad....very sad and that might be not good for you.  Dont put yourself down for having pain.  That would be like someone apologizing for having cancer or something.  YOU DIDNT CAUSE your pain. We dont think your OS sucks....we just think that maybe they are not getting the whole picture.  Somewhere along the way you got into a very painful cycle and you are plugging along in pain in terrble pain. At some point they might have to back you down to lesser stuff....let your body heal up a little and then work on the strength again.  I can say that none of us really know what you are going through....we are just worried about you.   Start that pain log.  Include things like your work, your coaching, you regualr life and the pain levels and the meds.   Make sure when you pick up the new med that you clarify with the pharmacist if you can mix it with any other meds. I dont want you to try the new med and get desperate and put another med with it that can hurt you.

:-( im sorry! hang in there...keep trying that is all you can do.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 05, 2008, 01:55:12 AM
Thanks Laura, I will start that log.  It is a good idea.  I think it will also be good to see my own progress...if any.  I got home from coaching and I am feeling horrible.  I picked up the tramadol.  I plan on only taking that from now on...unless it doesn't help.  My OS's PA said that if the tramadol doesn't help my pain, then they can give me an antihistamine to help with the itching from hydrocodone.  The hydrocodone at least helps me some.  This tramadol is suppose to prevent me from becoming drowsy and stuff.  Hopefully it helps.  I haven't taken anything since this morning besides my Ultram ER, so I am confident that the tramadol will not be mixed with anything that could hurt me.  By now the ultram ER has worn off anyway.  I am extremely frustrated and very depressed.  I haven't smiled or laughed all day.  Usually that is all I do!  I hope everyone has a good night.  I also appreciate the caring from everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on March 05, 2008, 02:07:08 AM
You already take Ultram ER right? I was interested to find out what tramadol was so I looked it up on webmd and I think it is the generic of Ultram.  Maybe they gave you a different strength?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 05, 2008, 02:09:50 AM
I don't know much, but I think that there is a difference between tramadol and ultram er.  There is not a generic for Ultram ER...I wish there was b/c it is so darn expensive.  Ultram and tramadol are different from ER....they aren't extended release, so you can take more of it through the day.  We'll see how it works. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on March 05, 2008, 02:14:07 AM
Ok Good,  I was just surprised when i searched on tramadol and Ultram came up.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 05, 2008, 02:19:11 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol

I think you are right..it is the same thing..maybe a different dose?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 05, 2008, 02:24:54 AM

Thanks KW and Laura,

Okay, so I just took 2 of them after eating some dinner.  I am just glad to be off the narcotic meds!!  Those make me feel so weird!!  If this tramadol doesn't help, I will get back on for sure.  I am in too much pain to take something that doesn't work.  If I don't feel better by bedtime through "sleeping", then that will be it's only chance.  I am about to ice and chill for the rest of the night.  I have read through several websites about the tramadol so far, and I have learned exactly what I said in my last post.  I just don't care what it is as long as it works at this point.  Later!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 05, 2008, 12:28:23 PM
Good Wednesday Morning all,

So I still didn't sleep last night. I woke up every hour with knee pain.  UGH!  I couldn't tell if the tramadol helped.  SO I will take it all day today.  Hopefully I will not regret that decision! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 05, 2008, 06:59:56 PM
Well I still can't walk.  My pain is still there.  The tramadol helps a little bit.  I'd rather keep taking that b/c it doesn't make me itchy or tired or feel weird.  The hydrocodone did help my pain more though.  I could sometimes actually walk with it. The tramadol keeps my pain around, but with just a tiny bit of relief.  I still have all the sharp pain during different movements and with walking....oh well.  I guess it is just going to take a while.  I wish there was a pain medicine that would make it all go away without making me tired or groggy. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on March 05, 2008, 07:05:56 PM
Farrah,

The solution to your pain is not pain meds.  They will help you right now so you can get through the day, but they will not fix what is going on in your knee.  Make sure you demand answers before you leave your OS appointment next week.  Do not accept different pain meds or the answer everyone has been giving you that your muscles are weak.  You might have to get tough with them, but make sure they hear you.

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 05, 2008, 11:06:26 PM
Brianne, I agree, but for now the pain medicine is all I've got to get through the day.  The tramadol didn't help a lot today, but it did some.  I had a point today where I was in an unbearable amount of pain for about 2 hrs straight!  I had taken the meds about 1.5hrs before the pain started.  So I iced to see if that would help, but it didn't.  It slowly starting getting back to my normal amount of pain, but it was horrible while it lasted.  I am now back to my usual sharp pain during movement and walking. I am not currently in constant pain as long as I don't move too much, so that's good.  I rested a lot today.  I stayed at my desk as much as possible instead of getting up and walking around the office.  I will be leaving work in a few hours, so I will check back in later tonight.  I hope everyone has had a pain free day!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 06, 2008, 01:43:21 AM
I hope you started your pain log so you can take it to your doctor too.

Im sorry the other meds arent working. I hope you are still using your crutches. Seems silly to try to not use them when you are in horrible pain. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 06, 2008, 03:00:19 AM
Laura, I am for sure using my crutches...no doubt.  Occasionally, I just try to take a step or two with less dependence on the crutches just to see if I can walk, but I can't ever do it :(  It will happen some time.  I decided to take the hydrocodone tonight before bed.  I took it about 1.5 hrs ago and am feeling okay.  I am not really too itchy this time.  I guess it takes taking it all day to really have the affects of it.  My knee still hurts right now, but so much more tolerable!!  I have been able to take a few steps with a little less pain with the hydrocodone in my system.  I wish I could just take it all day.  I might just stick with taking it at night.  Maybe relaxing at night helps the itching some. We'll see how I get to sleep tonight.  Have a good night everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 06, 2008, 02:42:32 PM
No sleep last night...itched all night.  Once I did fall asleep, my knee woke me up.  The hydrocodone did help pain some though. My knee hurts right now as always.  I have PT at 11:30am.  Hopefully it goes better this time.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on March 06, 2008, 03:15:10 PM
Farrah,  Have you tried Benadryl (at night only!!) for the itches ?   I have problems with Percs making me itch and was told to take Benadryl with them to take away the itching.  It will make you very very very sleepy but makes the itching stop.  Heck...will help the sleeping issue too.

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 06, 2008, 03:30:42 PM
I will try it if I take it again tonight.  Thanks!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 06, 2008, 07:37:40 PM
Good afternoon.  I am back to work from PT.  My knee was feeling the same as last time...hurt very much.  I told the PT that and she wasn't happy.  She began to ask me if it has been hurting so much b/c of the dog running into me last week.  I said no b/c it hurt a lot before that...but it didn't help.  Anyway, so pT killed all the way through.  I did the water treadmill again.  She made me walk on one crutch very slowly and small steps.  I could do it and will do it outside of PT as often as I can if I have time to walk slowly. My PT did the ionto again today and it helped a little bit.   I just took 2 tramadol to help with pain.  I just got an emergency call at work, so I have to go now and draw some drawings to prevent some balcony railings to be built wrong!!  They are on their way to the site right now!!!!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 07, 2008, 03:24:13 AM
I took 2 tramadol this afternoon, felt horrible before leaving for work atr 5:30pm, felt even worse driving, and couldn't put my foot down by the time I got to gymnastics.  I went to the pharmacy to see how my itchiness can be resolved if I take the hydrocodone.  He recommended claritin to help with it.  So I took 2 hydrocodone and 1 claritin 24 hr tonight around 9pm.  So hopefully it works to help fall asleep without itching or lots of pain tonight.  If it helps, I will be taking it from now on since the tramadol doesn't seem to do anything.  I am actually feeling okay right now.  As long as I don't move too much, I am good.  The constant pain has subsided.  Surprisingly enough, my back is actually doing okay at this point!  I guess all the pain meds help with it!  Too bad they can't help with my knees!!  UGH!  Anyway, I hope everyone sleeps well tonight!

Farrah

I am tired of complaining about pain.  Maybe I shouldn't post much until it starts getting better.....
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 07, 2008, 03:38:44 AM
Farrah. Im sorry you continue to be in pain.  I dont think any of us have any clue how to help you until someone tells you what is wrong.  I hope your OS listens to you next week. I know you are really ready to go and get some sort of answers.  I hope you are writing down all your pain so you can tell him exactly ALL the meds you are taking (seems like a lot, and a lot of mixtures) and how none of it is helping.  I really hope you get some sleep tonight. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 07, 2008, 01:08:17 PM
Good morning.  Still couldn't sleep last night.  I have really been struggling with pain at night.  I didn't itch last night though!  The pain at night is from laying down and moving my leg from bent to straight or vice versa.  It is also from moving my leg from flat on the bed to up on a pillow.  This happens no matter what I take before bed. If I take the hydrocodone before bed, once I wake up, the walking pain is less (#3-4)...so it is kind of weird. It does get worse as the morning progresses though.  I plan to take the hydrocodone all day today. That will probably help with walking too.  We'll see.  Maybe I can at least do 1 crutch very slowly today once the meds work....maybe 0 crutches?  It's too hard to walk on 2 crutches if the meds  help with my pain.  I hope everyone has a great day!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 07, 2008, 08:02:27 PM
I thought 1 hydrocone at 11am would be enough...I have been in pain ever since and can't for 3pm to roll around to take 2!!  UGH!  I have to coach tonight.  I have a long gymnastics weekend ahead of me.  My PT wasn't happy about my 5 hr gymnastics meet tomorrow.  OH well.  I will do my best to rest as much as possible.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 08, 2008, 02:37:44 AM
Farraah...Im glad to read on Briannes post that you are logging your pain. Im sorry that you just cant seem to get a break in your schedule to heal up.  I know that if you could you would do well to have a weekend with your leg elevated and iced ALL weekend.  I know that it is hard on you......when you get a chance....maybe you can skip the dog park, or the tennis match...or anything OTHER than what you HAVE to do and spend some R&R on the couch and let that knee heal up.  I hope your pain meds help you through the gym coaching.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 08, 2008, 03:02:32 AM
I am a very busy girl.  I rest usually every night from about 8pm-10:30pm.  At work, I try to sit as much as possible too.  So I am not on my feet all the time.  I rest when I can.  When I feel a bad pain, I sit.  At work, everyone tells me to call them to come to me instead of me coming to them.  I appreciate that, but at the same time I can't sit at my desk for 8.5 hrs!  Well tomorrow should be a light day after my gymnastics meet ends around 1-2pm.  I will probably want it to be light anyway since I am the head head coach tomorrow...which means I have to do most of the work.  In a gymnastics meet, since there are 4 events, there are usually 4 groups in one meet.  So tomorrow since we are the host gym (we are holding the meet), they split my team into two groups!!  This means I have to run from one group to the other back and forth the entire time tomorrow...so resting during the meet will not be as easy as the previous meets.  Oh well...that's what pain meds are for.  I really really hope I remember to take them before the meet tomorrow!!  The idea for the host is to make the groups convenient for the guest gyms and not the host.  So since we have such a large group, they split us up instead of splitting another team up.  Oh well.  We'll see how it goes. 

Anyway, since my last post, I have been in a lot of pain and forgot to take anything until 7pm!!  I had to coach from 4:30pm-6:30pm and was able to take meds at 3pm.  Well I left work at 3pm and went right into coaching forgetting all about it!!  I was in pain, so I don't know how I forgot!!  Well at 10pm, I am sitting here relaxing.  I took 2 hydrocodone earlier and am starting to feel the itching.  I forgot to take the claritiin...I need to do it right now.  The sharp pain is about a #6 right now with 0 constant pain if I don't move.  I am keeping a very detailed journal that I hope to remember to take to my OS at next Thursday's apt.  I still think they will say the same thing as last time even though my pain levels have not gotten at all better in the last 4-5 weeks.  In fact it seems to have gotten progressively worse.  Oh well.  Have a great night!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 08, 2008, 08:13:13 PM
I actually slept last night after going to bed around 1am.  I took hydrocodone every 4 hours last night until bed time.  I had my meet this morning and had to leave at 7:30am and pretty much just got back.  It was a long long day and I had hardly anytime to sit.  It was very very difficult.  Anyway, I will spare you the complaints...took 2 hydrocodone every 4 hrs since 8:30am this morning....didn't help.  I had #7-8 pain levels all morning through now.  That's all I will say about that.  Right now I am icing and laying down until I have to leave to run some errands in 2-3 hrs.  I have to return something and then go get my necklace fixed at a jewelry store.  Tonight I will be on my own since I let my husband go out to spend the night with his friend.  I will probably sit and work on jewelry creations all night.  Anyway, have a good weekend everyone. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 09, 2008, 02:59:45 AM
Im sorry you are still in so much pain.  I hope that tonight and tomorrow you sit on the couch with Ice ALL day and try to heal up some!

Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 09, 2008, 03:27:38 AM
I plan on it :)  I have been on top of meds all night!  I am waiting for 11pm to roll around to take my bed time dose...maybe I can get sleep again tonight!  You should see the jewelry I have created today!!  It looks good...at least I think so.  I haven't updated my website with all my new stuff, so I will eventually post it on here to share with you guys.  I sell it for March of Dimes.  I did well when I started it back in NOvember, but it has slowed down considerably.  Anyway, have a good night everyone.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 09, 2008, 05:59:10 PM
Good afternoon everyone.  Nothing new to report.  I have been taking it easy all day.  With the time change, it feels like the day has flown by!  I am going to my mother-in-laws today to see her and have some dinner.  So I am about to finally shower and get ready to go.  Since I have been taking it easy, I haven't taken any meds.  Yes, it hurts, but not so much if I don't move around.  So I am about to take 2 hydrocodone to be able to get through the rest of the day.  Have a great afternoon and evening everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 10, 2008, 12:52:44 AM
That is great news that it doesnt hurt at rest. I know I sound like a nagging mother...but maybe you should try to take it easy more often since the recovery from the knee has kinda gone backwards.....you might need to have a start over part....let the knee catch up a little then gradually  add stuff back in.....I know you hate that idea.   Hope you had a good evening!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 10, 2008, 02:44:03 AM
Good evening (night) everyone.  I am at home now after being at my mother-in-law's for part of the evening.  It didn't take long to get my bad bad pain after leaving the house.  I took my meds about 1hr before leaving for my mother-in-law's and was in awful awful pain on the way there in the car.  It is about a 45 minute drive, so maybe that is why.  It is pretty normal pain for me at this point, and the hydrocodone doesn't seem to help very much I guess.  I can't believe how much it still hurts with meds.  Since about 3pm, I was on hydrocodone very 4 hrs.  Well I took it easy this morning though.  It hurt so much if I moved the slightest bit.  So as long as I stood still, then I wasn't in a lot of pain....so that's something, right??  It seems the more I move around the worse the pain gets really really quickly.  If I try to extend my leg one time, the pain is very very sharp for about 30 minutes.  If I do it again during that time....UGH...horrible!!  That includes moving around and accidentally extending or anything like that.  It is pretty ridiculous.  Anyway, it is 10:40pm here and I am waiting for 11pm to roll around to take my last dose of meds.  Unfortunately I have almost run out and forgot to call in for the refill.  So I am going to have to go back to darvocet for tomorrow until I pick up my hydrocodone refill.  The darvocet seemed to help more than the tramadol did.  So it is better than nothing.  Unfortunately I have PT tomorrow at 5:30pm, so if the meds don't work very well, it will be a long visit again.  This is all getting pretty old.  I have my OS apt on Thursday and I know nothing will come out of it.  I wonder how long it takes to become addicted to a narcotic pain medicine??  Anybody know??  I hope I don't get to that point!!! Anyway, I will post again tomorrow.

Farrah 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 10, 2008, 02:48:06 AM
Oh Laura, I think a week off from life would probably benefit my knee, but I definitely don't have time for that.  I rested as much as I could this weekend and plan to rest as much as I can every night this week...I always do, but I don't get home til 8pm or so every night depending on my PT schedule and gymnastics schedule.

Unfortunately my tennis practices start on Thursday at 8PM :( :( :( Our first matches of the season start on Sunday :( :( :( :( I guess I will be a cheerleader for a while.  I am trying so hard to do everything I am told as far as getting my knee better...nothing seems to work.  My PT will be sad to hear that nothing has changed again since last time.  You should see her face when I tell her that.  She gets so sad for me and for herself b/c I am sure it doesn't make her look very good as a PT.  I know she is good, but you know what I mean.  Not helping a patient get better, doesn't mean she is bad, it just means that someone doesn't know what is going on! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on March 10, 2008, 09:11:57 AM
Farrah, I'm sorry that you are having a hard time. Are you seeing any results? Whenever i'm in a lot of pain i try to think about how i was a few weeks ago and that usually makes me feel a bit better.

Maybe being a bench cheerleader will be the best thing for a while :) Nothing like a bit of team spirit!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 10, 2008, 12:33:55 PM
Good morning everyone,

Gemma, no results from PT yet.  I know I am getting stronger, but I still feel exactly the same...horrible. 

So last night I actually slept for the 3rd night in a row.  I know it is b/c I have been tired from not sleeping for weeks.  It is also b/c I have been very careful in taking my hydrocodone right before bed.  Anyway, I couldn't wake up this morning b/c of the time change.  When I did finally wake up, my knee was hurting so much.  I am usually a little better in the mornings, so I don't know what the deal is.  I am about to eat some breakfast and take the darvocet this morning...the pain is horrible this morning.  Anyway, I hope everyone has a great day!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 11, 2008, 03:08:55 AM
Good evening everyone.  Today has been a really long day and I don't know if I am sick or what.  I have been falling asleep all day long at work, on the drive to and from anywhere, and then just woke up from a 3 hr nap after coming home from PT.  I am still tired too.  I am about to go to bed.  Well the darvocet didn't do much for me today as for pain.  My husband picked up my refill of hydrocodone for me tonight.  So I just took 2 before bed.  I also took an allergy pill along with it.  I am in a lot of pain right now....I mean a lot!!  I want to cry.  PT was painful for me tonight, but I felt like I was still in good hands.  I couldn't do the balancing exercises today or the thera band exercise where I stand on my bad leg with my good leg through the band.  I stand so that I will kick the good leg forward while standing on my bad.  I couldn't do it no matter the resistance.  I just couldn't put weight down while having my knee bent tonight.  Anyway, before even starting any exercises, I was laying there and no other but Dr. Gillogly himself come to visit me.  He asked my PT how I was doing and she said it has been very very slow, but we are seeing some progress in muscle strengthening.  Then he made me squeeze my muscle to check the strength.  He said we have a long way to go.  He told me to stay positive and asked if I have been smiling.  I said a little bit...My PT kept saying that she could see the muscle though.  Anyway, before starting the gym exercises I did the stim where I have to do quad sets with the machine hooked on to me.  By the end of my visit I did the water treadmill again...with lots of pain.  I supported myself on the sides so I didn't have to have as much weight down.  So when it was time to ice, no other than my OS's PA came in and asked how the new pain meds worked out.  I told him they didn't work and I went back to hydrocodone while taking a claritin to help with the itching.  Then another technician guy came in to say hello and asked how I was doing.  Anyway, the PT ended up saying they just all care about you, Farrah.  Well I understand that, but I am not feeling better.  I told her how frustrated I am b/c my muscles appear to be getting stronger, but my pain is still excrutiating at times...like right now...I just want to cry!!!  I had the ionto thing on again, but it was time to take it off and I can definitely feel a difference. Anyway, so PT was kind of eventful, but still painful.  I am very curious how it will be during my Dr. Gillogly visit on Thursday.  I know what they are going to say no matter how much I complain about pain.  I am not really excited about it actually.  I feel like I am going to get a lecture about still being on 2 crutches.  Anyway, so even though PT was painful and the medical team was all checking up on me today, I was laughing my butt off while doing my exercises with the technician standing there.  It was a lot of fun.  I told him, "I can't believe that I am in so much pain, but I am laughing so hard."  He was happy about that since it kept my mind off of the constant pain.  He was hilarious.  Anyway, so I still feel like I am in good hands, but still am in a lot of pain.  I think tomorrow will be a better day once I stay on top of the hydrocodone again.  SOrry to ramble on, but I feel like I Had to. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 11, 2008, 11:43:04 AM
I decided to take a sick day for my knee today :(  It kills. I am about to eat something and take some meds.  My PT says it hurts so much b/c of prolonged standing at the meet and sometimes at work.  So I will be taking it easy today and maybe it will feel better....yeah right...not without meds!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on March 11, 2008, 02:43:27 PM
sorry to hear theres no improvement on pain.  glad to hear you are gaining strength.  sounds like a day off is a good idea.  I am doing ok.  Have a had a few days of pain, constant.  Yesterday I was having sharp pain.  I have not had pain when standing at all just when I bend till yesterday.  Not sure whtthe deal was.  Today so far nothing.  The stiffness is drivging me nuts.  THe PT just called said she has tocome today instead of Thursday...not good my house is a mess and I am having those wonderful monthly cramps...aaahhh!
hope you havea  better day of relaxing!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 11, 2008, 03:18:17 PM
Hello again. Pain sucks!  Since taking meds a little bit ago, the constant stuff has subsided.  I still can't move very well.  Since I struggled so much at PT last night, I figured a day off could at least help some.  It really took the PT to tell me that I am doing too much and that is why I am having so much pain sometimes.  That is part of what motivated my day off.  She made it clear to me that the less I do, the less pain I will have....duh, but sometimes you have to be told.  I asked her last night if I could do the stationary bike, but she said no b/c it puts so much stress on the joint.  UGH :(  Dr. Julien (my foot doctor) is one of the patients at PT and I saw he did the elliptical and got a good workout on it.  I was jealous, and that is what made me ask about the bike.  He shattered his tibia 2 years ago and has been doing PT ever 4 days since then.  Dr.  Julien was the doctor that made my orthotics.  I saw him 2-3 times total before they had to cancel my apt b/c of his accident.  IT wasn't until last night that I realized that it was him.  I recognized his first name over the 4 weeks, but it didn't click until last night.  Then I asked my PT and she said it was him.  She and I have a bet to see if next time he remembered me as one of his patients 2 years ago.  He is a really nice guy.  Dr. Gillogly is the one that sent me to him way back.  They seem to be really good friends.  I think it is just so weird to be at PT and surrounded by Dr. Julien, Dr Gillogly, the PA, and the other doctors....as well as all the PTs.  I love it really!  I like the connection and the communication.  For a while I didn't think that Dr. Gillogly and the PA would remember my name, but they do.  I guess I have been going enough now that all the administration staff, the technicians, and the doctors and PTs all know me.  I walk in and all the desk ladies say hello.  I am starting to get to know some patients too, but there is never any time to chat during PT until I am icing.  Yesterday my PT made the mistake of sitting next to me while filling out some charts.  I think I talked her ear off about all my sports I am missing.  My old PT was standing there too.  So when I expressed my frustration of missing all these sports, my old PT looked at me very seriously and said to not worry about those things and to focus on walking.  I then felt bad for complaining at all, but he was right.  I just can't help but think about it.  Anyway, while I had my chat session, I told her about my tennis serves from 1.5 weeks ago on one leg.  She asked me to show her how I did it.  She realized it was okay.  She said no way to playing with the ball machine though.  Anyway, on my way out last night, my huge gym bag and purse fell off my shoulder.  They were teaching me how to put it over my shoulder so it wouldn't fall.  They kept saying that they have to treat me like my mom.  I like my apt last night b/c I was the last patient and the two PTs that I knew and the technician that I liked were the only ones.  I received a lot of personal attention and that is what made me feel better mentally no matter the pain I was in.  I did say too much though.  She probably thinks that I do all kinds of stuff outside of PT to hurt myself, but I don't.  I am really careful b/c this pain is horrible.  I told her that too.  I said that I wouldn't do something to prevent my recovery b/c of the pain.  So I hope she believed me.  Sorry to chat so much...the meds make me feel a little better mentally.  So I am in a better mood now. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 12, 2008, 01:19:39 AM
Good evening all,

I am very proud of myself for taking the day off and actually relaxing all day long.  I am so glad my PT told me that the more I rest, the better I will feel...I knew it, but I just had to be told!  My knee still hurts, but I feel like I have accomplished something today...rest!  Maybe I will feel a difference tomorrow.  I have been on the 2 vicodin every 4 hrs today to prevent too much pain.  I still can't walk normally without pain, but I can walk very very slowly with very small steps with 0 crutches.  I find myself cheating while my bad leg is behind me about to push off, but I really try hard not to.  Pushing off is where all of my walking pain is.  Without the vicodin, I can't even hardly bear weight at all.  Anyway, I had to coach tonight and I am now home icing and chilling on the couch.  I hope everyone had a good day. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on March 12, 2008, 01:58:30 PM
Enjoy your evening on the couch!! There's nothing i like more than relaxing on the sofa in the evening reading or watching the soaps :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 12, 2008, 02:09:54 PM
Good morning all, I have been struggling a lot since yesterday.  I was hoping that yesterday's rest would help today, but no...of course not.  First of all, I was on top of hydrocodone all day yesterday and when it was bed time my knee was absolutely killing me.  So I decided to use my TENS unit, and it worked!  I was in bed with it on and left it on for about 30 minutes.  It felt so great.  So when I took it off I was so scared to move around after it.  So I was very careful all night.  I woke up in pain, and am currently in pain after taking 2 hydrocodone.  I was gonig to bring my TENS to work, but I forgot it!! UGH! OS tomorrow, not looking forward to it.  

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 12, 2008, 04:30:51 PM
It is 12:30pm, well after taking my hydrocodone, and still no relief!  UGH!!!  This freakin' sucks bad!!  I am so happy for those that have such a "normal" recovery!!  This pain stuff kills and really gets me exhausted.  On top of that, the pains meds I take make me so drowsy during different times of day.  So I have been sitting at work this morning falling asleep!!  So instead of falling asleep, I will eat saltines and drink cold water. I have to work late tonight, so that may mean more saltines later!  Maybe at some point the pain meds will help!  It feels good to vent on here even if nobody is reading or responding :)

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 13, 2008, 01:39:49 AM
Still in pain despite hydrocodone ever 4 hrs.  I still can't walk with 1 crutch unless I take really small and slow steps...I can't always do it...same thing with walking with 0 crutches at home.  Today I stayed on 2 crutches all day.  I have my 3 rd PO OS apt tomorrow at 2pm, so I will post more after that.  I know it will be nothing!!  Same ol' muscle weakness crap that is not controlling my knee cap and making it maltrack. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 13, 2008, 02:19:18 AM
If I were you I would tell him that is BS......dont let him ask you if you are smiling. Give me a break. Dont let him make you laugh or what not...it is your knee ...you are in horrible constant pain.....make him understand.   It is crazy.   We all have pain. I have weak muscle pain...but...that is different b/c I can move my legs without torture pain...yours sounds awful!!!  I hope he listens.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 13, 2008, 04:54:14 PM
Today I am just over 9weeks PO.  I still have miserable pain.  I feel like the meds don't really help anymore.  I am definitely worse without them, but I still can't do anything with them...they just help enough to get my mind off the pain and make my attitude better.  Anyway, I am nervous about today's PT and OS apts.  The way they operate at my OS and PT's offices is that I sign in at 2pm and tell them I am in PT.  Then later my OS comes in and calls me in to do the regular OS apt.  Then I go back to PT.  I don't know if my PT would be in the room or not.  I actually hope so b/c she knows how things hurt and when.  Anyway, I have taken the rest of the day off from work.  I may have to go coach straight from PT today, so I may not be able to post anything til after 8:30pm.  Have a great afternoon everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on March 13, 2008, 05:07:51 PM
Farrah,  Good luck today... Please don't leave you OS office with out some REAL answers as to what is going on.  No more of this BS they are feeding you about weakness causing the pain.  Chain yourself to the table if you need to!!!

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Brittany0183 on March 13, 2008, 05:22:10 PM
I agree with Karen!!  I took me a year to convince my OS that I was even having a problem before he agreed to do surgery.  I finally had to be kind of rude and in his face about the pain I was having.  Don't let him blow you off, that's ridiculous! 

Go get 'em tiger!  ;D

Brittany
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on March 13, 2008, 05:40:28 PM
Good luck Farrah, I really hope you get some answers. 9 weeks seems a long time to still be in so mch pain. It's inevitable that the pain meds were going to stop having an affect after a while. Mine stopped doing much after 2 weeks so i can only imagine how useless they become after 9!!

Anyway hope all goes well.

Gemma.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on March 13, 2008, 09:18:05 PM
Good Luck Farrah. WE are all pulling for you.  I agree chain your self to anything that will get your OS attention!  Be blunt this is your life not his.  You leave the room and he no longer cares he moves on to the next patient.  That is the way things work.  Make them understand.  Personally I cant understand how they can keep saying its just weak muscles.  I could understand weak muscles causing mal tracking, your knee giving out ect.. but pain I mean honestly if they are that weak then why are you not having to wear a brace?  I hope you get the answers you so desperately need.  Good Luck!  Be strong and stand up for your rights as a patient, and more importnatnly as a human being in pain! 

melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 13, 2008, 09:42:18 PM
First, thanks for all the support...this is a little long response, but if you don't want to read the whole thing, the last few sentences pretty much sum it up!  I think it went well! 

So I just got back from my OS and PT apts.  First, my PT had a little chat with me saying that I do too much and this and that.  Anyway, she made me understand again that I am doing too much.  So I was in my PT's clinic for about 1.5 hours until the OS came in to see my knee.  I did get more x-rays to make sure everything was healing right....which I already knew was okay.  Anyway, so my OS and the PA came in and examined me with my PT standing there ready to answer anything.  I loved the set up b/c everyone was on top of everything.  The PT told him what I struggle with the most and what I can do without pain.  She did say I have a lot of pain during certain exercises.  She explained it perfectly.  So then he examined my knee...touched it around, extended it, made me flex, etc.  He made me do an SLR.  I gritted my teeth while doing it.  Then he asked if it hurt, and of course I said yes and showed him where.  He asked me about my typical daily schedule...asked me about how long and often I coach gymnastics, etc.  I told him all my activities.  He then said that I need to change my lifestyle to acommodate my knee...in other words stop doing things that hurt.  He said I just need to do as little as possible to make my knee hurt.  He said I really need to communicate with them and my PT as much as possible when I am having pain during certain things.  He said when I have a busy week or weekend, to not come to PT.  He said if I have a busy day and my knee hurts, don't come to PT.  In other words, if it hurts, don't do more things to make it worse.  The idea is to prevent pain.  The more I do to make it hurt, the longer it will hurt.  I completely understood that.  He then told me about how many x-gymnasts he sees during adulthood with so many knee injuries....I was kind of curious about that.  He did blame gymnastics on my problems.  So then he started asking me about pain meds.  I told him how much hydrocodone I was taking every day.  He was surprised at how much I had to take and asked me what happens when i don't take it...I told him I could barely move around at all and was in a ton of pain.  He then explained to me that I could have an addiction b/c you can get addicted faster to narcotic pain meds than cocaine.  I am glad he brought that up!!  He said that addiction would not be my fault and they will try to prevent it from happening.  He told the PA to give me another prescription for a smaller dose of hydrocodone to see if that helps the pain while taking just a little less.  He also asked me if the pain meds help with PT, and I said that not too much b/c it still hurts with the meds.  So he then examined how I function from hip to foot...how I use my hip to move my legs around, how I sit, etc.  He asked what happens when I stand up from a chair to do anything.  I told him where it hurt while going from sitting to standing and what happens if I walk and keep walking.  He asked if it kept hurting when I continued to walk...I said yes.  Then he asked me about orthotics and if I have them...I sad yes (he made me get them years ago).  So I went to the locker room while he stood there and watched me walk and commented on not putting hardly any weight down...well I just had PT, what did you expect.  He also started talking to the PT while I was going to get the orthotics.  Anyway, so he is having Dr. Julien look at them next time we are both at PT at the same time.  He said they do help with pronation, which is what I do when I walk.  So in other words, that is not the problem.  So anyway, ultimately I am happy with how the apt went.  I am so glad that my PT was right there.  What I got out of my apt was that I need to calm down with my activities, prevent as much pain as I can, communicate with them about when it hurts during whatever I do, get my orthotics looked at, and continue taking pain meds.  He said that the pain is still from my weak quads and told the PT to work around my pain.  She said we are trying our best.  If something hurts, she always takes it out or changes it to not make it hurt.  I will not get stronger if the exercises hurt.  I am happy about my apt even though some of you guys wanted more than that, but I feel like he was thorough in his examination.  He took note of lots of things that I wanted to tell him, but he asked them before I was able to.  Anyway, I am still called his "project" whatever that means.  I still know I am in good hands.  My muscles need to get stronger!! Sorry to type up so much, I just didn't want to miss any detail of the apt!!  I will go back and read this another time if I forgot what happened.  He wants me back in 5 weeks!  One extra week than usual!  I hope everyone is doing well.  I am sitting on my couch with ice thinking about how badly I don't want to coach tonight!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 13, 2008, 10:03:53 PM
I forgot to mention that if I am still having a lot of problems by next visit, my OS wants me to see someone about the pain...whatever that means!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on March 13, 2008, 10:12:40 PM
I forgot to mention that if I am still having a lot of problems by next visit, my OS wants me to see someone about the pain...whatever that means!

That means your OS is going to send you to a Pain Management Specialist. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 13, 2008, 10:14:35 PM
Hmmmm....I hope it doesn't get to that!! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 14, 2008, 12:24:54 AM
Farrah...ok.  So....Im glad that he listened to you. And I hope that you REALLY listen to the rules on taking it easy.  I know it is easy for me to say..I have five hundred things I want to do....but..I can say that 90% of the time Im sitting on the couch when I am home. Now..it sucks...Im sooo sick of it...but it helps. Any time I break a rule and do something my knee hurts a bunch....so...I stop. I have TRIED to break the rules but my knee screams every time.  I think b/c you are so far out and you are so much further from the acute surgery stage it is hard to think that you have to start from scratch and sit around....but.....you just have to so you can get better.   Go back and read your posts for the past few weeks. You are busy busy.  Not just work..but gymnastics, family events, dave and buster, tennis, dinners...etc.  Life will come back for you but you get to be really lame just like me for now.  I totally agree with the PT plan of taking stuff out that hurts and modifying it.  Seems like your brain will never let your knee move on if everything tortures it.....  The weekend is here....hope that means you will lay very low and be lazy!

Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on March 14, 2008, 12:44:27 AM
Farrah
SO glad you feel as if you made some progress at your appt. today.  It does sound like your team did take you seriosuly and try and dig deeper into why this recovery is so painful and challenging for you.  The key is for you to listen to what they told you.  Like Laura said it is hard to feel like you have to step back to eventually move forward but it will be worth it down the line when your knee finally gets to heal.  I am also glad that it finally seemed to register to them about how much medication you have resorted to taking-it is way too easy to get addicted to rx pain meds and that is certainly not something you want to deal with in addition to rehabbing your knee.
You sound like you are relieved and probably exhausted after the long day.  Was it too late for you to get a sub for coaching tonight???  You already broke the rules-yes I have to sound like the mother that I am for a minute!
Do you at least have a quiet weekend to start the new "less is more" plan of action?
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 14, 2008, 01:33:23 AM
Okay, so just so ya'll know, taking it easy means sitting at gymnastics instead of standing or asking people to get me stuff instead of walking to get it, etc.  I can't stop coaching or anything, but I can say no to activities.  This weekend I have to coach on Saturday morning for 1 hr, then go to work for 4-8hrs to make up for my time off today.  Then Sunday I am not busy until my birthday celebration on Sunday night at 5:30pm at Dave and Busters...again!  I chose a Sunday b/c it is less crowded.  I will be careful, I promise.  I really don't want to deal with this forever.  I am going to try to get rid of my pain or prevent it as much as possible.  I don't want to see anyone for pain!!!  That would be stupid in my opinion.  Anyway, I have been in a great mood despite severe pain.  I even had to put my TENS on tonight to go coach.  The girls all asked why I had wires hanging out of my pocket...it was funny, but it kept my mind off the pain.  As soon as I turned it off, the pain came right back.  Maybe I will sleep with it on tonight!  Anyway, I am happy that I have ya'll's support!  It really means a lot!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on March 14, 2008, 01:59:27 AM
Farrah,

I know you do not want to let anyone down, but you need to give yourself a major break.  If that means taking a few weeks off from gymnastics and/or work, then you need to do that.  Pain is your bodies way of saying something is wrong and if you keep ignoring the pain then you will not get any better.  Its hard because I am sure you do not want to disappoint anyone, but if you do not take care of yourself then you are not doing anyone a favor and you are risking the health of your knee.  You are young, you do not want to risk damage now and then pay for it years down the road.

Good luck and please do take it easy, EVEN if it means cancelling some activities for a few weeks.  You will be so much better off for it in the long run.

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on March 14, 2008, 03:38:46 AM
Sounds like they really took you seriously.  Glad that you got the attention you needed.  IT is a good sign that it is healing properly.  It still stinks that the quad isnt gaining strength quicker but you also have to remember how long were you dealing with knee pain before the surgery!  That could be playing a part in the healing time too. 
get rest take it easy and let others help you!  Hard to do when you are an independant woman!
melisa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 14, 2008, 03:52:19 AM
Okay, so I was in bed for about 2 hrs planning on sleeping, but my knees both hurt very badly right now.  I am afraid to put the TENS on during sleep, so I am not.  I am currently waiting around for 12:30am so I can take my next dose of hydrocodone and maybe that will help.  I am going to look into taking some gymnastics time out of my busy schedule.  I am also considering taking a week off work...we'll see how that goes...it is a big commitment financially.  My husband said no way, but I will talk to my PT more about it on mOnday to see if I will benefit from it.  Anyway, thanks again for all the support.  Despite all the caring of my OS and PT and PA, I am still in a lot of pain and sometimes I just want to rip my knee off and throw it away!!  I just wish sometimes there was more that I can do.  I feel like the hydrocodone just doesn't help as much I wish it did.  Anyway, I will chat with you all tomorrow.  Have a good sleep.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 14, 2008, 04:07:16 PM
Hello all.  I had a really really long night...only 1.5 hrs of sleep!!!  My knees were hurting just so badly despite my 12:30am dose of 2 hydrocodone last night.  I woke right up this morning though.  I haven't fallen asleep at all.  I have been so tired all week with getting 5-7 hrs of sleep.  The one night I get 1.5 hrs, I am wide awake all day! So weird.  Anyway, I woke still with a lot of pain.  I took 2 hydrocodone at 9am this morning and plan on taking my 2nd dose after lunch.  I called my PT this morning about yesterdays pain and using the TENS that I own.  She said that it was great that it helped while it was on.  She said to keep using it when I feel the need.  So if the pain meds don't help the sharp severe constant pain, then the TENS helps.  So now I have a fall back solution!!  It only really works while it is on though and for a few minutes after.  Then it all comes back.  I just couldn't use it over night.  I am afraid I will turn over and disconnect something or something like that even though the machine is made for use at night.  It automatically turns off when something is disconnected either off the unit or off my skin.  My PT again reminded me to relax this weekend as much as possible and ice as much as I can.  She asked me how I was feeling today, and I said I felt horrible, but not quite as intense as last night!  So she was happy about that even though it is still a lot of pain.  Anyway, it was great to be able to talk to her and ask her about the TENS.  She said we will start using it in PT too.  Anyway, I am going to lunch and will be back later.  Tonight I am going out to a mexican dinner for part of my b-day celebration with friends.  Sunday night it is a bigger celebration with all of my family and my husband's family.  Don't worry, I will be relaxing as much as possible!!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 14, 2008, 10:20:02 PM
Farrah....happy birthday.....

ok...your birthday is the LAST excuse to be busy on the weekend ok!!!!!


:-)
Hope you have a good celebration!
Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 15, 2008, 02:43:13 AM
Well I have a busy weekend, but will be trying to rest during and in between everything.  I have to coach tomorrow morning from 9:30am-10:30am, then go get my emissions tested, return something to Old Navy, then go to my office to work for 4-5 hrs or so, then come home and rest.  Then Sunday I can either go watch tennis at 1-4pm or stay home and rest, and then go to Dave and Busters at 5:30pm for dinner and some games.  I will give myself just a little bit of money to spend so I don't have to walk around to play so much.  That sounds like a good compromise.  During dinner, I will even put my leg up on a chair so it doesn't get so stiff being bent for so long. 

So I am hooked on my TENS during really bad pain situations.  I have used it off and on despite taking 2 vicodin every 4 hrs exactly until my dinner tonight...I accidentally waited 2 hrs too long.  I am sitting on the couch getting ready to do my PT exercises, ice, and consider using TENS depending on my pain by the time I am done.  Anyway, have a great night everyone...BTW, this is my TENS unit

http://www.empi.com/empi_products/detail.aspx?id=58

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on March 15, 2008, 04:23:31 AM
Farrah,

are you near the part of Atlanta that had the tornado?  Are you ok?



Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 15, 2008, 04:30:11 AM
Farrah......I know it is your birthday weekend...but.....here is my observation....

I think you are doing WAY too much for a healing knee.  Seriously.....you really really need to rest if you ever want that leg to heal up.

Ok. and...Im glad the tornado didnt get you!  So much weather there!  Im dreading coming back in a few weeks....might happen again!
Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 15, 2008, 04:16:00 PM
Hello everybody.  The tornado didn't get us...in fact we didn't even have a tornado warning last night.  It was all about 20-25 minutes south of us.  I can't believe the damage it did to so many important buildings!!!  It is 12:10pm in the afternoon and they are still talking about it while showing more tornado warnings on the doppler in the corner of the screen.  There are tornado warnings right now just west of us.  The storms seem to be strengthening.  Hopefully that will not cause any problems where I live!!!  I just can't believe the damage in atlanta!!  I am watching the news right now and it is just amazing!!  Nothing like that has ever happened to downtown ATL, just to the suburbs usually. 

As far as my knee goes, I am currently chilling after a really rough morning!!!  I woke up late and didn't have time to eat or take any pain meds.  I had to go coach for 1 hr this morning and got home exhausted in and in much pain in my back and both knees.  So I went to sleep while my husband got my emissions tested for me. I just ate lunch at took 2 hydrocodone and will hopefully get some relief soon, but probably not enough!  I had my TENS on all night last night to see if it would help.  It seemed to help some.  I had to sleep on my back the whole time and that is probably why my back hurts so much.  Anyway, I am waiting for some relief and for the storms to pass us then I will have to go to the office and work for a few hours.  I am not in any hurry.  Have a great day everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 15, 2008, 04:36:31 PM
Pain Pain Pain!  UGH

We just got under a tornado warning!!!!   My husband is down in the garage working on a car, so I am in charge of watching the weather!! I hear a siren now!!  Do you guys have tornado sirens?  UGH!!  Now a break in the weather channel to announce it!!  BYE!!  I am going to the basement!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 15, 2008, 06:09:41 PM
No tornadoes here!!  The storm caused 1 tornado to the west of us and a few to the east.  We have another storm coming over in about 20 minutes.  I am not going to work today.  I will probably go tomorrow morning.  I just figured if I wait for the storm to come and go, then it will be too late to be at work for 6 hrs...I don't like being in a 20 story building when it is dark out.  So I am going to rest rest rest.  OH!!  My dear sweet husband has complained numerous times this weekend that I sit on my butt all the time.  He forgot that my OS wants me to!  So I am going to take that abuse and ask my PT to write him a note on Monday saying they want me to rest instead of work around the house or whatever.  It makes me sad that he is acting like that.  I wish he could feel the pain that I feel....well not really b/c it is really bad and he'd be a big baby about it.

I really feel like crying b/c of pain right now.  Usually it is under my knee cap, but now it is on the side (outside) of my knee cap also.  It is really bad.  Anyway, you may or may not hear from me again later.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on March 15, 2008, 06:25:01 PM
I hope the rest of your day goes uneventful with the storms.  It is quiet here.  Just some rain but no big storms like they predicted for us.  Hoping it doesn't rain later this afternoon so we can get out of the house.  Planning to take the kids to a movie "Horton Hears a Who" and then to a pizza place.  Looking forward to getting out again.  Been out a few times this week.  Yesterday was so nice I sat outside while the kids played on their bikes.  Noticed my lilies and iris are starting to come up.  YEA spring is coming!
   My knee is extrememly stiff to day.  Not sure why, could be I did to much yesterday and this morning.  Not sure.   Hope you have a nice restful day!
Melissa
   
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 16, 2008, 01:25:07 AM
Good evening, I have been relaxing some and I had to go shopping to a few places today since I couldn't go to work.  I had to return something and I had to go to the grocery store.  So, yes, I overdid it, but I didn't have a choice b/c we needed food and I had to return that thing.  Please don't lecture me...and, yes, I am paying for it all right now.  I am icing right now and plan to break out my TENS unit again afterwards.  I have to work tomorrow and then have my b-day stuff at night.  I will take it easy at work since I will not have to get up and walk anywhere.  I will then take it easy again when I get home.   Okay, so that's that for tonight...pain as always b/c of my stupid errands. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 16, 2008, 04:51:26 AM
Thanks to my TENS that I have had on for probably 3.5 hrs straight, I am feeling better.  I will turn it off before bed...whenever that is.  I am delaying going to bed b/c I know I will not be able to sleep.  Later!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 16, 2008, 05:22:05 PM
Good afternoon all,

I could not get to sleep until about 5:30am.  In fact I took another dose of hydrocodone at 2am last night since I was up.  That didn't seem to help wtih sleep.  I woke up with a lot of pain.  I am currently sitting at work about to take some more hydrocodone...the smaller dose this time to see if it helps.  My OS wanted me to try the smaller dose.  I hope it helps, but since it seems the larger dose has started to not help, this new smaller one probably will not either.  I'll give it a try.  I have a big night ahead of me beginning at 5:30pm, so I can't afford to be in pain.  I may hook my TENS for the entire evening....we'll see how it goes.  Anyway, I am relaxing with my feet up at work...no big deal. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on March 16, 2008, 09:34:48 PM
Farrah,

I found this quote on my OS's website.....

When the knee is painful and swollen, you must rest it.  Let pain be your guide.  You are aggravating the condition if you continue activities while experiencing pain.  Mild discomfort or ache is not a problem but definite pain is cause for concern
.

I don't think resting for one day will make the pain go away, it will take longer.  You don't talk about ice in any of your posts, are you still icing your knee?  I hope this all gets much better for you soon.


Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 17, 2008, 02:41:45 AM
I ice all the time.  It just doesn't seem to help much sometimes, but I do it.  I also have used my TENS a lot over this weekend.  I also do all my PT exercises almost every day.  I am in pain right now, b/c I forgot my 6pm dose of hydrocodone while I was out for my b-day tonight!! UGH!!  I don't care anymore about the pain...I just need to rest.  I am very upset right now.  I really didn't want to go out tonight, but I couldn't cancel.  It was kind of fun except for my knee pain during the entire night!!  Anyway, thanks for the advice.  I will be following it. 

Oh, b/c of a car situation, my husband has to take me to PT tomorrow and stay during the entire session.  I am going to tell my PT to talk to him about resting so he stops bothering me about it.  He complains that I don't do anything around the house.  Anyway, I will post tomorrow.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 17, 2008, 05:50:55 PM
So as usual, pain.  I have been taking the lower dose of hydrocodone all day.  It doesn't help much.  The other one doesn't either though.  So I may as well stick with the lower one if I get the same amount of relief.  I will talk to my PT about it today.  I am at the point of getting hardly any relief from anything except my TENS unit.  So I have been using that a ton lately!  I learned that it makes everything around my knee numb.  When I shaved this morning, everything was numb...weird.  Anyway, I have PT at 6pm tonight, so it will not be until around 8:30pm or so when I get back on.  I will talking to her about my OS apt and get more answers about what he said...I also want to understand this pain management thing he mentioned. 

I had lunch with my dad and grandfather for my b-day today!  It was delicious!!  Hope everyone has a great St. Patricks day!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 17, 2008, 07:31:16 PM
Farrah.....also...make sure and clarify with your PT what "rest" means...do they want you on the couch 2 hours at night?? 10 hours at night?  All weekend?  etc.  I think that might help you with the things you plan on a daily basis.  Sorry you are still in pain.  Honestly....I have been trying to take less meds and the ONLY way I can do it is to stay down most of the time...I mean..home..on the couch...leg elevated.....you seriously need to try that route before you go to a pain specialist.....I know you think that you rest...but it never really sounds like you are home to rest....just a thought. I know you dont want the lecture...sorry.....

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 17, 2008, 07:48:12 PM
I did not do a good job of resting over the weekend...I know.  I will ask about the rest thing. I am giong to ask my PT what an ideal day or week would be if I did exactly what she wanted me to.  I will also ask if she were me with my busy schedule, what would she do as far as resting.  I am asking about my TENS unit, my pain meds, and the pain specialist stuff.  I am also going to ask if there is anythnig more I can do at home to speed up my muscle strengthening. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 18, 2008, 02:18:49 AM
long painful day with the smaller dose of hydrocodone all day.  I had PT today and it went okay.  It was very painful during part of it.  My knee doesn't hurt during my exercises, but it kills in between.  I got there and started with stretches, then went on to my table exercises, this one theraband exercise that hurt, then she wanted me to try the leg press again!!!  The leg press was completely unsuccessful.  Anyway, so I was in so much pain that even at PT I couldn't hardly touch the ground with my foot.  So she tried one more exercise to see if I could do it without pain...it was a rotated SLR...a regular SLR with my foot rotate out so it didn't put as much stress on my knee.  It did hurt part of my knee, but not the part that usually hurt....so she wasn't worried.  Anyway, she then put the ionto on me and ice and that was it.  The ionto did help enough to put some weight down by the end.  She told me again about resting and what not to do.  So I am going to listen. She also said I can use my TENS as long as I need to.  She was glad to hear that it helped.  The pain is getting worse and more constant...not better.  I told her I was very frustrated.  She said I just need to focus on the positives.  I told her I was going home to lay on the couch..she added...and ice!  Anyway, they knew it was my b-day, so they sang happy b-day to me as I was about to walk out the door.  Then I remembered that I wanted her to write my husband a note about relaxing.  So while she was writing the note, my physicians assistant came in and sang for my b-day.  It was funny...then he gave me a hug and said he only does that for certain patients!!  It was funny.  Matt (my husband) took me out for pizza for my b-day after I came home from PT.  It was a short dinner and I was able to elevate my leg on the booth seating.  Anyway, I just took the ionto patch off and expecting the pain to come back any minute.  I am preparing my TENS to be used again.  I took 2 of the stronger hydrocodone instead of the smaller to see if I can get some relief from that.  The pain is getting sickening...I am just sick of it and sick of having to do stuff all the time to MAYBE feel some relief.  Have a great night everyone!!  :)

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 18, 2008, 12:38:21 PM
Same crap...woke up in lots of pain..about to eat and take some hydrocodone...stronger stuff today I think.   
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 18, 2008, 02:43:40 PM
Farrah...Im sorry...I have more pain every day too it seems. I thought I was doing well but then lately it hurts worse......last night I felt like my leg was dislocating. I was laying flat in bed, went to bend my knee to turn over and it was like it was stuck...so I bent it..and it snapped.....almost like it was dislocating.......yikes....so...I did it over and over to see if it was a fluke..and it kept doing it.  again this morning it did it.  great.  I see PT at lunch today..will tell her...but....not like she will have an answer. No one in Austin does this surgery so I dont feel like they have a good reference point. I cant wait to go back to Georgia to see the doc there to see if I am normal or not.  I tried to call once..but the doctor said if my PT was worried to have her call....so..SHE isnt worried...I am...so...no call was made......Im  starting to freak out that maybe this surgery was a bad idea.  Im not in horrible pain like you...but constant discomfort.  If I try to move the bottom part of my knee it hurts like a knife....and the knee is still warm.   sigh.  I wish I weren't at work today. bla.

how is that for a depressing post on your thread.   Hope you feel better with your pain meds. Im popping a handful of Advil too.

Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on March 18, 2008, 08:27:29 PM
Farrah I really feel for it. It's so awful to read everyday that you are in so much pain :( I wish I had something I could say to help but i don't. My only suggestion is to cheer yourself up with a box of chocs :D I really hope you start to get better soon. Is anybody actually going to tell you WHY you are in so much pain rather than just suggest how you can control it. It's been a while since your op no and in comparison to my recovery yours is absilutely awful!

Laura - Reading about your knee feel like it was dislocating actually made my knee seize up so thank for that!! :P I really hope it's nothing too serious.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 18, 2008, 08:40:24 PM
Laura, I posted a response on your diary...

Hello Gemma, I am very envious of you and your recovery. You are going through so much in your life and your knee sounds just great!!  I am jealous!  I am in a lot of pain throughout the day.  I have learned that the smaller dose of hydrocodone doesn't do much for me.  I am on the stronger stuff today with much more relief...still can't walk or anything, but the constant stuff is much better.  As for why I am having pain...it is b/c my muscles are still so weak that they aren't controlling my knee cap.  My knee is still maltracking and such and causing the pain.  According to my medical team, this is all normal, but from this website it is so not!!  It has been a tough recovery, but with meds and my TENS I am getting through it slowly.  I seem to be getting worse though b/c now there are PT exercises that didn't hurt during the first few weeks that now I can't hardly do them.  My PT keeps telling me to only think of the positives...well that is hard when the negatives hurt so darn much!  I also thought my extension was at 0, but it was measured after pushing down as much as possible and it was only 4 instead of 0!!!  :( UGH!  Anyway, thanks for your caring words!  Keep up your good recovery!

Farrah

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on March 18, 2008, 08:46:51 PM
It's good that you can see some improvement even if it only a little. You say you're getting though it and that's great in itself. I think a lot of people would be inclined to say 'I'm never going to get better' but you can see that there will be an end to it eventually. It sucks so much when pain meds stop working. I think you're brave even for using the TENS!! I tried it and I thought it was quite painful. I'm such a sissy :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 19, 2008, 01:00:24 AM
Okay, so today wasn't too bad.  Yes, I had pain, but the higher dose of hydrocodone helped a lot...still couldn't walk or move much.  Towards the end of the day I hooked up my TENS and had it on from around 4pm-8pm.  It helps so much.  I highly recommend it for those having a lot of pain like me.  It helps  with whatever the meds don't help with.  I got my EMPI package in the mail today with replacement electrodes, new batteries, and new lead wires!!  So now I am set!!!  Anyway, coaching was actually good tonight b/c of my TENS.  My girls threw me a surprise b-day party today.  They got me a cookie cake and some balloons!  They all sang happy b-day and then made me cut the cake for everyone...I hate cutting!!  Anyway, I have cake here if anybody wants any...haha!  Obviously my attitude is okay today.

My brother in law had heart surgery that lasted 6 hrs today.  They didn't get to finish the surgery so he has to go back again in 6-8 weeks once these incisions heal enough.  My cousin just got deployed to Iraq and I didn't get to talk to him before he left!!  I found out there is a system that I can e-mail him with so he will get the message in 24-48 hrs from when I send it.  So I will do that if I can get the stupid website to work.  I was pretty depressed this morning...so I guess my meds turn my mood around some today.  Anyway, I hope everyone else is having less to no pain.  Have a good night! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 19, 2008, 01:51:12 AM
Farrah...Im glad you had an up day. that is good.  I know that I never use my empi on my knee...maybe I should....hmmm.....my knee doesnt hurt as bad as yours...I have only taken 2 advil all day long....BUT...my knee doesnt work...so...will the EMPI help that??? ha ha..I wish it would!  I also wish you could email me some cookie cake! yummmmmmm........ I have been hungry b/c Im bored....Im going to get so fat if I cant exercise and we get pregnant..ha ha.....yikes!    glad you feel some relief.  Maybe the resting more will add up over tme to better pain relief. How did your husband respond to the note about more rest???

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 20, 2008, 02:13:42 AM
Good evening,

Nothing new today.  I have been on the higher doses of vicodin, so I have been more comfortable in the last 2 days.  I have used my TENS when the pain is really bad on top of the meds.  So I am pretty much set.  I have to ask my PA tomorrow for a refill on the higher dose of vicodin since they only gave me the smaller dose at my OS apt last week.  Even though I am feeling okay, I am still resting.  I also know that if I wasn't on the meds, then I would not be comfortable right now.  Have a good night!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 20, 2008, 02:27:55 AM
Go see Laura's diary for what I really feel tonight!!  I am off to bed now that I am in a bad mood thinking about it all :( 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 20, 2008, 02:29:20 AM
 :(  I thought you were doing better.....im sorry.......that sucks.  I hear you.....  Ill go read the other post....

laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 20, 2008, 06:37:37 PM
Just got back from PT...same stuff.  No pain during anything except the last thing.  The extension exercise was hurting today, so she made me stop once it started hurting at all.  By then it was too late, my knee was throbbing.  So we did ionto and ice and that was it.  I did more reps of everything since none of it hurt.  I was thrilled that she didn't want me to try anything new today.  There was a new PO patient today so my PT was focused on that today.  Fine by me...I liked doing more reps of everything. I felt a burn!!  Anyway, still on hydrocodone every 4 hrs.  Today it has been 1-10mg and 1-7.5mg every 4 hrs since I am running out of 10mgs.  I left a message for my PA today about giving me a 10mg refill...or suck it up and take the 7.5mgs....I hope he doesn't tell me that one!!  Maybe mixing the two is good too...I have to ask him those questions.  So hopefully he calls me back.  My pt said they are trying to get me off the 10s, but I am in too much pain with the 7.5s.  We'll see how it goes. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 20, 2008, 07:17:55 PM
Oh yeah....bad news...it doesn't look like I will be able to walk in the 4 mile March of Dimes walk at the end of April!  :(!  She said since I haven't weaned myself off to 1 crutch yet, then I probably will not be ready in 1 month or so.  I am still looking for sponsors though...anybody want to support my efforts in saving babies? 

Visit www.marchforbabies.org/arkitect06 to make a donation.  Please Please Please help me!!  Since I can't walk, I want to prove that I can still participate!!  $5 or $10 would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 21, 2008, 12:39:21 AM
I feel like crying!!  I don't know what to do!  My PA didn't call me back.  Maybe I didn't leave a stern enough message!  :(  All I said was please tell him that Farrah needs to ask him some questions about my pain meds.  I guess I should have said something like I am dying of pain or something....oh well.  I have his cell phone number and always debate if I should just call him directly.  What do you think?  I guess it isn't a big deal, but I don't want to have to wait another weekend.  I just am running out of my strong dose and pretty much am in a ton of pain with the smaller.  All day today I took 1 of each every 4 hours.  I have about 5 more of the stronger one.  So I will call the office tomorrow and if I don't hear from him by 6:30pm tomorrow (when he usually calls back), then I will call his cell.  So I am in a lot of pain right now b/c for some stupid reason I took my TENS off!  :(   :'( :'( :'( My skin is starting to get irritated, so I had to take a break.  I guess I will go ahead with ice for 20 minutes and then maybe do it again.  It is time for my meds.  So I will take some real quick  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(I can't believe how my mood changes when I am in so much pain. 

I will feel better with a donation :)  www.marchforbabies.org/arkitect06

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 21, 2008, 02:50:18 AM
Farrah....you sound like me at work. I work with premature high risk patients all day. We have all these things at work to raise money for the MOD too.....selling all sorts of things......

I wouldnt wait until tomorrow night to call the PA. Call in the morning.  who cares if you bug him......Im glad the exercises didnt hurt today as much.  My PT has done the same thing...she took my SLR out today b/c of some increased swelling......ok by me to skip them occasionally.....

sorry you are in pain......

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 21, 2008, 01:24:43 PM
I am in pain again this morning...slept with my TENS all night.  I had a few little knee issues since yesterday and this morning.  Last night I tried bending my knee just to see how far it would go without pushing it and it popped painfully.  I had a sharp sharp pain from then on.  Then this morning I tripped over my dog and landed on my surgery leg.  UGh!  Then on my way down the stairs today, my heal got caught on the step and pushed my bad knee forward like it gave out.....:(

I called the PA's office and they said he should call me this morning...yeah right, but I will wait. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on March 21, 2008, 05:53:41 PM
Farrah you need to wrap yourself in a bubble and sit somewhere safe!!! You poor thing, it's really not getting any easier for you. Falling on my bad leg is one of my biggest fears I can't even imagin how much it would hurt, I hope that you will start to feel a bit better.

xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 21, 2008, 05:57:16 PM
Still no PA phone call.  I will be calling his cell sometime today....don't worry.

Pain still sucks, but has eased up some b/c  of my TENS.

My left knee (non-surgical knee) sucks today!

You should be proud, on my way home when I left work at 3pm (normal friday time), I decided to take off gymnastics tonight to give my knees a rest.  So I am home now resting and waiting for a phone call.  Looks like I have to go out for dinner with my father in law tonight :( 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 21, 2008, 09:36:44 PM
cant you call in sick to dinner too?? ;)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 21, 2008, 09:42:25 PM
Haha...just learned that dinner is cancelled!!  So I am sitting on my butt all night...still no word from PA.  I called their office and they are just finishing with patients.  I will give it another 45 minutes til I call his cell if I don't hear back from him. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 21, 2008, 10:56:47 PM
I went ahead and called my PA.  He said he never even got a message
from me.  I told him my question.  I said that I know Dr. gillogly
wanted me off the 10mg of hydrocodone b/c of the possibility of an
addiction.  So he started giving me a lecture about that.  So I
started to cry over the phone about the pain and that I just don't
want to be in pain and I just don't know what to do.  I told him the
2-7.5 mgs don't help me very much and that I started taking the 10mgs
again and that helped me so much more.  Then he started to tell me to
take 3-7.5mgs and that would be even more than the 10mgs, but then I
reminded him that I take it 3-4 times a day and that is way more than
4,000mg of tylenol in a day since the 7.5s have 500 tylenol.  He
agreed, so he called in the 10mg and said we will deal with the pain
at the beginning of next week and he will talk to Dr. Gillogly about it.
So he said to have a good easter and
we'll figure it out then.  I can tell you right now that I am not
addicted to it.  I forget to take it all the time and the only
difference is that I feel is pain...no withdrawals or anything.  I
just don't know what to do anymore.  He wasn't happy about me asking
for more meds...I can tell you that.  He also completely didn't mind
that I called his cell phone.  I was so mad that he didn't get a
message from me!  Anyway, so that's that.  I will have 10mgs at the
pharmacy very soon.  I am going to keep taking 1 10mg and 1 7.5mg at
least until maybe I can get myself down to 2-7.5mgs at some point.  I
can't believe I cried...I cried like the kind you can't hardly
understand what I am saying...I still have tears flowing.  I wonder
what it means that they will figure it out at the beginning of the
week next week....does that mean pain specialist??  I hope not!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 21, 2008, 11:20:21 PM
Farrah...Im not sure......im glad that he called in the meds.  If you were saying the meds made you happy..that could cause addiction..bt you dont sound happy....so....i think they need to figure out what is wrong in the knee.  You know my scar tissue hurt a LOT b/c iti was all inside my knee.....MRI didnt see it or anything....have you ever asked them if that is possible?

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 21, 2008, 11:27:47 PM
Laura, I don't ever know any options to offer them...they are the doctors...I trust them.  If they think it is something, then fine.  I just want to know what it means that he is going to talk to the OS at the first of the week...we'll see if he even remembers. I think my apt is at 6:00pm next week, so that will be after they are done seeing patients.  So maybe they will come see me then.  That is when I usually see them anyway when I go to PT.  I have to say, I really really hated asking for more drugs!!  Being without pain, or less pain, does make me "happy" b/c I am not in as much pain.  What do you guys think about what I did by calling my PA today.  Do you think I made it clear again?  I don't give a crap (I would like to say a better word) what happens next week as long as I don't have excrutiating pain.  I'd rather not have to take meds honestly!!  They make me tired and hot!  It was time to take some meds a little while a go, so I had to take 2 -7.5mgs since I was out of the 10s.  I will call the pharmacy to see if they are ready yet.  Later!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on March 22, 2008, 12:41:50 AM
Farrah, Maybe Pain Management would be a good idea until things get straightened out.  A Pain Management Doc will be able to better manage things until your OS/PT solve the actual problem. 

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 22, 2008, 01:12:21 AM
I talked to Brianne about what a pain management doctor does and she made it clear.  So if that is what my OS decides next week, then that is fine.  He was just hoping that I could stay on the 7.5mgs until my next apt 5 weeks after the last one.  I tried...I really did.  Anyway, I picked up my 10mgs and he still gave me another refill of it.  So I guess he wasn't that concerned to only give me 1 refill instead of 2.  He did tell the pharmacy to write on there 1-2 pills every 8hrs instead of every 4-6 hrs like usual.  I guess he wants me to try to spread it out.  I can't even make it to 5 hrs without having more meds b/c of the pain.  So I will take 1- 10mg every 8hrs and take 1-7.5 mg every 4 hrs. I will try that tomorrow and see how I feel.  I will still have enough drugs to attempt to give me less pain and at the same time wean off the 10mgs.  Since my PA will talk to my OS on Monday, I will focus on resting all weekend like I had already planned.  I have PT at I think 6pm on Monday and will see them all then.  So we'll see what they say about the meds.  I imagine they would be okay with my plan of spreading out the 10mg and taking the 7.5mg every 4hrs.  What do you think?  Would you guys do the same thing?  What would you do in my situation?  In my entire life, I never thought I would need so many drugs!  I used to the be the one that would lay down and cry my way through pain instead of taking something.  Things have changed some...I guess I am just so busy that it is not worth it anymore to have pain when I can do something about it.  Anyway, I am thinking to take a tyelnol PM tonight to go to sleep tonight and maybe sleep late. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on March 22, 2008, 07:43:27 AM
Hi Farrah,

Sorry to hear you're really struggling with your pain. I hope things work out soon.

Have you thought about seeing a sports physician/doctor rather than a pain management specialist ? I see a sports physician and has been great in working out the best meds to take.

My OS doesn't think a lot of pain management doctors. He thinks that between him and my sports physician we can work it out.

I firmly believe that the less people you see the better. Just gets too complicated otherwise. By the way, what is a PA ? Don't think we have them in Australia.

Have a restful weekend.  :D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on March 22, 2008, 01:11:37 PM
Hi Farrah,
so sorry to hear youve had such pain and been so upset. just wanted to tell you that im sending hugs your way and i totally understand where you are coming from, if you have pain it just wears you down - why dont they realise that if they fixed you up and you didnt have the pain you wouldnt need the pills!!!! grrrrrr - its so frustrating.
hope you feel a bit better today.
xxx

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 22, 2008, 01:47:42 PM
Good morning all, I greatly appreciate everyones comments and words of advice!  A PA is a physicians assistant.  He takes care of all the prescriptions and stuff that the OS wants him to do.  He is always with the OS during appointments and surgeries.  So he is always on top of everything that is going on.  He is also the communication to let the OS know if there is a problem outside of the OS apts.  So he is the one that is going to talk to the OS on Monday to let him know about me going back to the 10mgs.  I really feel like I am in trouble for asking for the higher dose, but what I am suppose to do?  Sit here with major pain to where I can't do anything?  It's getting ridiculous.  What is a sports physician?  Is it someone like a sports medicine doctor?  B/c if so, the sports medicine doctor isn't as knowledgeable about my problem as my OS.  I used to go see him and he is the one that referred me to my OS b/c of the need for surgery.  It would be nice for me to go see him instead of a pain doctor though since he is in the same facility as my OS!  I agree about seeing too many people at the same time.  I am worried if they do send me to a pain specialist, then my back doctor will not be happy!  Maybe it will eliminate having to see him every 6 months for medicine refills and examinations!  I have my next back apt at the end of April and he is the one that greatly advised me almost 6 months ago to not have surgery!!  So if I go to him about my knee problems I wonder if he will say I told you so even though the problem is fixed, but I am having persistent pain.  We'll see how that goes in a few weeks! 

As for this morning, I am feeling okay since I took the stronger dose of meds at 11am and slept all night long with limited movement!  I have to say that b/c of the 10mgs, I have been getting much better sleep!  If I don't take it before bed, then I can't sleep at all.  Anyway, I have a fairly relaxing weekend ahead of me. The weather is just beautiful here, so I may go watch a friend's tennis match...I may bump in to my old PT at the same time!!  He plays at the same courts.  We'll see.  Anyway, thanks again for all the advice everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 22, 2008, 03:13:58 PM
I just went back and read about the first 5-6 pagse of my diary....It was depressing!!!  I couldn't read anymore.  The pain started at 3 weeks!!  I can't believe it was that early!  I thought it was more like 6 weeks, but I was way wrong.   Have a good one everyone.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 22, 2008, 03:52:30 PM
Hi Farrah.  DONT feel bad for asking for pain meds...you are not in "trouble".....they probably are just frustrated that they cant help you.......It does sound like you pain is still bad...but not as agonizing as it was.   Do you think that you should be taking antii inflammatories too?  Is your knee warm at all or swollen? I guess you havent ever said.

some sun might be good for you...watching the tennis will make you sad......you WILL get back to it....Im sure of it.....
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 22, 2008, 04:13:38 PM
Hello Laura, it is warm and swollen.  I know anti-inflammatories will help, but they didn't want me taking them while my bone is healing.  It seems like I am far enough along to take some.  I forgot to ask my PA yesterday....I also forgot to ask about starting PT on my left knee maybe.  I was just so upset last night.  The pain is agonizing sometimes...if I am on top of my meds, I am okay.  So the past 3 days, I have been on top of my meds completely, so I have been okay...just can't really walk or move my leg very well.  I didn't take any meds til about 11:30am this morning b/c I was sitting on the couch.  I could slowly notice the pain getting worse and worse, so I finally took some.  I decided to try the 2-7.5mgs again since I am going to be taking it easy enough to hopefully not need the higher doses.  I will keep you posted on that.  I am feeling better mentally than I was yesterday.  I know going to watch tennis will make me sad, but I will just have to think positive.  I really really really miss it.  This time of year I have always played 4-5 times a week!!!  I haven't played since the beginning of December!!!  The weather is just too nice not to go.  I think I will take one of my dogs with me too!!  My dachshund should give me good company :)  Anyway, I hope you guys are all okay today.  I will keep a positive attitude today...the weather is just so nice that I can't help it :)  Have a great day!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on March 22, 2008, 06:33:54 PM
Farrah, I wasn't allowed to take anti-inflammatories either but i did take a few after the 5 wek mark. My OS said it was fine after 6 weeks as that is when most of the bone healing is done. If I were you i'd try anything to get rid of some of the pain you are experiencing.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 22, 2008, 10:23:02 PM
I will ask them on Monday about the antiinflammatories.  So I have been feeling okay today as far as my knee goes.  The 7.5mgs have helped.  I still can't walk or do anything, but I am not in constant pain. 

So as for my dear sweet little jack russell that likes to escape, we had a huge situation today that ended with us in the emergency vet clinic!!  I called my husband at 1pm to make sure that he closed all ways for him to escape, and he said yes.  So I decided to take my dachshund with me to watch tennis today and leave my jack russell (marshall) in the back yard.  Well I knew there was a chance he could escape, but usually he'll stay around our house and not get into any trouble.  Well I forgot my cell phone in the car...n case he did escape then I would get a phone call.  Since I was so far away from my car, I decided not to get it...big mistake!!  I got in my car after 2 hrs of being there and got a message that someone found my dog...I was thinking, no big deal I am sure she is just holding onto him until I get there to pick him up.  Well I was wrong, she let him go and he ran across the street into our back yard again.  She was our across the street neighbor.  Anyway, so I got home worried that I wouldn't find him...well I found him once I went back to the front yard.  He was walking with his ears back very very slowly like he was in trouble.  So I put him on the leash and walked into the house and noticed lots of scratches and swelling on him.  So I called my husband and flipped out saying he either got hit by a car or attacked by a dog!!  So I waited for my husband to get home and we took him to the vet and spent the next several hours waiting there.  Well my dog is going to be fine, but he has as mall hole in his chest that has caused air to leak in and cause some concern.  Well the Vet said that if we wrap him up good enough, the hole should heal itself and to monitor his breathing carefully to make sure the hole doesn't get bigger or the air doesn't get worse.  HE also had a few other wounds that they were concerned about getting infected.  So my little dog got attacked by a dog when he escaped from our yard!!!  I was so upset when I saw him the way he was.  He wasn't crying or anything, just being slow and not his usual energetic jack russell self.  Anyway, so he is on a pain medication, an anti-inflammatory, and an antiobiotic and should be fine.  We are suppsose to closely monitor his breathing for 24 hrs, then just keep him in his cage as much as possible after that for about a week.  If anything gets worse, then he may have to have surgery to close the hole in his chest and get some drains in his wounds.  My poor baby :(  Anyway, I have to go to dinner with my father in law tonight, so that will give my baby some rest for a few hours.  They said that we don't need to by him every second, but to check up on him every 2-3 hrs, so that is what we plan to do...meanwhile I am exhuausted!!!!!!  I want to go to sleep, but we have to go to dinner instead!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on March 23, 2008, 12:08:59 AM
Oh no... your poor pup. I would hate to see me dogs in danger or pain it would be awful. I'm sure he'll love all of the fuss and attention he gets from it though :) Your love and cuddles will make him feel better i'm sure.

I hope that he gets better soon, and of course it goes without saying that i hope that you continue to have less pain in your knee.

Enjoy your meal out and HAPPY EASTER! :D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 23, 2008, 12:15:45 AM
oh nooooo......thats so sad.   I hope your doggei gets better. One of our cats got attacked by another cat when we moved in...she was so beat up too....it was so sad....we had to take her in and they shaved the hair in a long stripe down the back of her back and she had to take meds....she was sooo upset for like a month she wouldnt go outside......   :(  Hope that hole heals up. Poor doggie

Glad to hear your pain is good today.  Maybe the rest allows you to tolerate only the 7.5s ....hope you do ok during dinner.


Have a good diinner....

Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 23, 2008, 01:18:42 AM
Hello again, I took meds at 6:30pm (right before dinner) and I was so sleepy and then in so much pain!!!  I am home now feeling the same.  So I am going to go take a nap while my husband takes care of my Marshall and I cuddle with Aury (the dachshund).  He is feeding him his 3 meds with peanut butter right now.  He is just laying down and not moving at all.  That is how we know he is not feeling well as a jack russell!!  He is taking it very well though with his nice big red bandage around him.  I have attached two pictures...1 of me and one of my injured jack russell.  Anyway, I am about to ice and fall asleep.  When I wake up, more meds, PT exercises, and TENS.  I will take the 10mgs before bed to help with sleep.  I might just try that always....2-7.5mg all day, then 2-10mgs at night.  It is the end of the day when I feel the worst anyway.  Okay so later!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: sterns on March 23, 2008, 01:35:26 AM
Farrah,

I had my TTT done in march 2007 and the surgery did go very well but I had to have the screws removed the following September. It is a tough thing to go through. As for me I have developed some issues regarding the nerves, muscle or ligaments that is causing me excruciating pain,24/7. I will  now see a psyatrist in hopes of pain management or more therapy. I have full ROM and very little strength or control in my long. Patience is the best form of medicine and never try to fight the pain.

Good luck !!!!!!

Saul
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 23, 2008, 01:42:35 AM
Thanks Saul!!  So are you better now? 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 23, 2008, 03:00:07 AM
Farrah, I feel so bad for your little pup!!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 23, 2008, 06:49:08 AM
So despite taking 2 10mgs before bed, my knees woke me up at 2:30am this morning.  I guess it was God asking me to check up on Marshall.  He was fine so I decided to take him out to potty to make sure he stays comfortable.  I was going to take him out the front b/c it is faster than going to the back yard, but as soon as I opened that front door he had very high anxiety and fear and looked around and started barking.  I think he was afraid of the dog that attacked him.  My husband and I didn't know where the dog would have attacked him since we weren't around.  We thought he probably broke in to someones fence where the dogs were...there are a lot of fenced in big dogs around our house.  Well with the amount of anxiety he had, maybe it was a stray dog.  I forgot to mention last night that he was growling a mean growl to my other dog yesterday.  I am not sure if it was a "leave me alone" kind of growl or "being afraid of another dog" type.  I am really worried about him physically and now mentally.  I hope this attack didn't scar him for life and create fear to all dogs.  :(  I don't know if I can handle a dog like that if it comes to that.  I love him so much, so we'd have to take him to some trainer or something to get over that fear and we can't afford it.  I am sure it is too early to tell, but I am keeping my fingers crossed that once he is healthy, he will be normal again and just afraid of big dogs.  This may have been a blessing in disguise though b/c at the dog park, he is always attacking the big dogs with his mean growl and snare.  He never bites or anything, but maybe now he will stay away and be nice.  Either way, I will always go to the little dog side now, never the big dog side.  Poor little guy.  Sorry to go on about this, but this is just one more thing that affects me emotionally in my life right now! 

My knees both are hurting so much right now.  I guess I should try to go back to sleep since I am suppose to work around 9am or 10am tomorrow.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on March 23, 2008, 08:55:48 AM
Hi Farrah,

They are great pictures. Sorry to hear your dog got attacked. I hope he gets better soon.

Yes, a sports physician is like a sports medicine doctor that has specialises in sports medicine. My sports physician manages all my medications and works out what is best for me to take. My sports physician generally only speaks to my OS when I'm having reviews with him or have problems. Your sports medicine doctor would have a better idea than a pain management doctor. They may be able to give you some other ideas on what could help with pain management. For example dry needling could be something to consider. Also, clinical pilates may be something to look at too.

I hope this helps.

When I had my shoulder surgery last year I was in pain for a good couple of months post-op. I would imagine that an osteotomy would be very painful. My shoulder did get better with the pain.

In the last couple of days I have been doing some silk painting, which has been very relaxing.

Good luck !!!   :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on March 23, 2008, 11:54:33 AM
Hi Farrah,
so sorry to hear about your little dog - and the pics of him are sooooo cute. im sure he is just out of sorts and growly at the moment and he will be fine mentally soon.

great pic of you too - how on earth do you manage to stay so slim with such nice posture with all this knee trouble???? im all slouchy looking compared to you!!!

i hope you get your pain management sorted out - like everyone else has said here - dont feel bad for asking for pain meds - if you need them you need them and thats just that!!

xx
tanya
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on March 23, 2008, 12:12:53 PM
Hey Farrah,
I got my boyfriend to take a pic of me holding my weights that I use for squats/lunges etc just now... so here I am holding them up - notice how my body automatically shifts weight onto the left side - I only noticed I was doing that when I saw the pic.

I wish I had a pet to post though!!!


Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on March 23, 2008, 01:27:54 PM
Farrah,

       I am so sorry to hear about your pup.  That would tear me up.  HOpefully he will gain his strength back and heal naturally and you wont hav eto take him back to the vet.
   I posted a question on my diary but thought I would ask you and post it here too since eveyone seems to be here right now.  This morning before getting out of bed I was doing my leg extensions, the ones you sit on the side of the bed and lift your leg straight up from a bent position.  Anyway, I heard a ton of grinding and could feel it as well.  It doesnt hurt.  Just wondering if this is normal.  I havent felt or heard the grinding till this morning.  Wondering if it might be the scar tissue just breaking up.  Anyone want to let me know?  You can post here or post on my diary.  THANKS!

Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on March 23, 2008, 01:56:28 PM
Hi Melissa,
I have a ton of grinding and crunching on leg extensions too - ever since my surgery 20 years ago I have had it - there is one lot of crunching thats like the sound that deep snow makes when you walk in it - thats always been there and never hurts - its just noisy, lately ive been having more of a grating feeling like something inside is rubbing. the general rule of thumb is - if it doesnt hurt and its just loud try not to worry - stronger quads may sort it out. say it to your OS and PT anyway just to get their thoughts and let your PT hear it and feel it with his/her hand on your knee.
hope that helps.
tanya
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 23, 2008, 02:53:31 PM
Good Morning everyone!  Thanks for your thoughtfulness for my little dog.  He is doing much better this morning.  He has more energy today.  We just gave him his meds again and now he is passing out again.  About 30 minutes ago, he jumped off the couch to come see me!! He is definitely doing better, but we still need restrict his activity for a few more days.  One concern is that he still hasn't eaten except the treats we feed him his meds with.  Thanks goodness for that.

As for me, I am feeling horrible this morning.  Since I woke up late, I am just now about to take my meds.  I had to take care of my dog first.  I am going to take the 2-7.5mgs first.  If it doesn't help by next dose, I will take the higher one.  I have to go to work this morning for a few hours.  We have a huge deadline next week.

Tanya, nice picture!  There is an exercise at PT where I have to balance on the forward and backward wobble board and throw a ball back and forth to the technician guy.  Well he has to always remind me to put equal weight on both legs, but it hurts. 

Melissa, as for grinding, my surgery knee grinds when I extend it all the way too, but it hurts so much to extend it all the way.  Does your hurt to extend it all the way?  I can only extend mine from 90degree to about 60degrees.  I can't go all the way up.  So when I do my extension exercise at PT, I only extend right before the pain starts, hold it, then go back down.  It gets painful after so many, but if I were to extend all the way up, it would hurt and grind a lot.  They also say that is from my weak quads.  With weak muscles, your knee cap isn't controlled very well.  I am curious if yours hurts when you extend it all the way.  I hope you are doing well!

Gotta take my meds ASAP...later!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: sterns on March 23, 2008, 05:57:05 PM
Sadly, I do not and it appears that I may now have CPRS, but to what degree is unknown. This has been a very long and painful battle both mentally and physically.

Saul
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 23, 2008, 06:09:40 PM
Sorry to hear that Saul!  I know I don't have that b/c I researched what it was for a second and I don't have any of those symptoms.  THanks goodness.  My pain is all around and inside my knee joint.  It just sucks!  Anyway, I have been literally resting all day.  I am just about to get in the shower and start working on some jewelry.  I decided not to go to work since I had such a rough day yesterday.  Instead, I am going to make lots of jewelry for my Iranian family!!  I hope you guys have a great easter!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 24, 2008, 02:04:54 AM
Good evening everyone.  I hope everyone had a good day.  I made 6 necklaces for my Iranian family members today so my grandfather can take them back to them when he leaves on Tuesday.  In case people haven't followed, I make jewelry for March of Dimes.  The jewelry I made today were just gifts.  So nothing came out of them but love.  Anyway, I am doing okay tonight.  The car ride to and from my parents was uncomfortable, but okay.  I am about to take my meds and then help my husband give my dog his meds.  My dog is doing great today!  He has been almost normal, but still cautious.  I have been letting him wander the house as long as he doesn't get too energetic and hyper and run and jump like a jack russell.  He has been pretty calm and great!  Anyway, my husband will be taking him to the vet the day after tomorrow to get a new x-ray to make sure that the hole in his chest has healed.  Anyway, I hope everyone is doing well tonight.  I have had a pretty relaxing day!!  I don't know how I am going to get to sleep b/c I have been sitting around mostly all day.  We were only gone for 2 hrs today to see my family.  I didn't want to stay long b/c of my knee and my dog.  I wanted to go to PT tomorrow well rested.  Since I don't have it until the last thing tomorrow, I am sure all the weekend rest will be like it never happened by tomorrow night :(  Oh well.  I will also let you know if my PA does anything about talking to my OS tomorrow regarding my 10 mgs of vicodin.  Later!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 24, 2008, 04:33:14 PM
I thought 7.5mgs would be enough today since it was during the weekend.   It hasn't been.  I will take it again at 2pm.  I want to show them how much pain I am in when I take 2-7.5mgs.  It is horrible and I feel like I can't move at all or it will be worse.  So I am sitting stiff as a board at my desk afraid to make it hurt worse.  I was also given a task at work that involved getting up and down from my desk every 5 minutes or so all day long!!!  I told her that I couldn't do it, so she gave me an alternate task.  We are under a huge deadline due by Friday, so I am lucky to be able to get on here right now.  Usually I will check my e-mail throughout the day, but not this week.  My boss can hear me type and knows when it is personal or work related based on what tasks she has given me.  So no more until tonight. 

Today I have PT at 4pm (earlier than usual on a Monday), so hopefully my PA will see me and remember Friday's events over the phone.  I was thinking since I was on the 2-7.5mgs all weekend, that I could tell him I am only taking the 10mgs at night, but nevermind that since I am not feeling well at all right now.  I know after PT today, I will be in so much pain and maybe in tears, so I will take the 10mgs after that.  I really really hope my PA and OS see me and talk to me about it today!  My PT is not going to be happy about the increase in meds. 

I need some opinions!!  Am I doing the right thing?  Would you guys just suck it up and take the smaller doses even when sometimes the pain is excruating to where you just want to lay down and cry and not move at all?  Or would you have done what I did when you feel sooooo much better physically and therefore mentally b/c of the higher doses?  Just curious!  Thanks!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on March 24, 2008, 04:58:48 PM
Farrah -

I would do what you need to do to get the pain under control ~ for now.  My concern continues to be that the pain is NOT GETTING BETTER.  Please make that clear to your OS.

IMO - It maybe time to see a Pain Management Spec to get this pain under control.  Go back and read your diary...Even when you are taking the 10mg you are still in pain...maybe not as bad but you are still in pain....that is not under control. A Pain Management Spec is going to have options that your OS will not. Please give it some thought! 

Take Care,
Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on March 24, 2008, 09:20:53 PM
Hi  Farrah
Thinking of you at PT right now and hoping it is going well.  I hope they were able to talk to you and come up with some kind of plan to figure out WHY you are in so much pain.  I'll check in later to see how the PT went.
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 25, 2008, 12:42:31 AM
I have had a rough day today while taking the 7.5mgs of vicodin.  :(  I forced myself to do it.  So I told my PT that it was bothering me a lot today, so she made me only do the table exercises.  I could pretty much only do the side exercises.  The rotated SLRs hurt today and the extensions over the table hurt today.  I also did the water treadmill which also hurt today.  So while icing the PA came in and talk to me about the medicine stuff.  I told him I was miserable taking the 7.5mgs despite lots of rest over the weekend. So he gave me a new pain hiding prescription for lidoderm patches.  I have used them before, but it has been a few years.  Right now I will try anything.  So I filled the prescription and will try them tomorrow.  I also saw my foot Doctor that is one of the PT patients.  He took a look at my orthotics and asked about where my pain was and said that we will give it a few more weeks since I am not 3 months PO yet, so it could still be early.  He said after a few more weeks then he will adjust the orthotics for me to possibly help with the pain.  He said I need to go to his Doctors office in 1 year to get new orthotics and some time soon to get them resurfaced.  So my apt was painful, but productive today.  I will be taking the 10mgs tonight and go back to the 7.5mgs tomorrow all day while using the lidoderm patch.  I don't know if I am allowed to use my TENs with it, so I think I will hold off on that for a while until I know if the patches help.  This has taken over my life...all I think about is my knee!  I talk about it a lot too!  Anyway, I am miserable right now despite using the ionto today.  It didn't seem to do anything for me this time.  I hope all is well. 

My dog's vet apt today went well.  He is doing just fine. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 25, 2008, 02:24:38 AM
Farrah...I had a really long day at work today, just getting to KG.  Sorry you had such a bad day.  Glad your pup is better. Mine goes in the morning. hope they fix her.

laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on March 25, 2008, 09:21:12 AM
Farrah,
Just a quick response - I think you are definitely doing the right thing, you wont be able to recover if you cant move because of pain, I dont think that you should be sucking it up AT ALL!!!!
I also think you need to get your OS involved to find out WHY you have so much pain, all these people trying to help you control it-  you need to ask the OS whay its happening.
Hope you feel a little better today - please remember that no one here thinks youre wrong about needing pain meds - you are absolutely right to want to control it.
xx
tanya
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 25, 2008, 05:04:36 PM
Such a painful night and morning!  I took my 2-7.5mgs of vicodin at 8:30am and put one of those lidocaine patches on.  I felt better for a little while.  I could almost walk (with crutches).  Well the pain patch is not helping as much a few hours later.  I am still keeping it on though just in case the pain could get worse....the pain may be from having missed my 12:30pm dose of meds...it is only 30 minutes late!!  Anyway, pain sucks and I am getting sick of it!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on March 25, 2008, 07:42:07 PM
Farrah,

I feel so bad for you.  You are clearly struggling with pain as you are on regular pain meds and that still does not seem to be helping.  You need to get some better answers from your OS and you need to allow your body to rest.

On a happier note, I have to tell you that I am the BIGGEST gymnastics fan there is.  I am so stinking excited about the Olympics this year and cannot wait for it to happen.  We just might have to chat on AIM about that!

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: sterns on March 25, 2008, 11:10:12 PM
Farrah,

This is the first time reading your post and I have to honestly say, I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING !!!!!!!!! Pain can be your friend and your enemy. The best thing to do is not to suck up the pain, that can make you feel even worse. Keep in close contact with all of the doctors involved and you really should take less medication if the level of pain is less. Never wait to take pain pills ....... trust me on this as there are several people (whom I will not name) who would back me up. Have you asked about stronger pain meds, less frequently? Rest is also one of the most important things, besides ice. Anyway, I will keep a watch on everything and just to give you another look into the world of TTT's, here is the link to mine.


Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: sterns on March 25, 2008, 11:11:52 PM
Farrah,

This is the first time reading your post and I have to honestly say, I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING !!!!!!!!! Pain can be your friend and your enemy. The best thing to do is not to suck up the pain, that can make you feel even worse. Keep in close contact with all of the doctors involved and you really should take less medication if the level of pain is less. Never wait to take pain pills ....... trust me on this as there are several people (whom I will not name) who would back me up. Have you asked about stronger pain meds, less frequently? Rest is also one of the most important things, besides ice. Anyway, I will keep a watch on everything and just to give you another look into the world of TTT's, here is the link to mine.

                         http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/index.php?topic=35637.0


Take care !
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 26, 2008, 01:03:28 AM
Farrah....hi there...just checking in on you. I was hoping your patch would help.  hmmmm....

well....tomorrow....you, me, your dog, my dog....crutches and casts. Lots of fun.

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 26, 2008, 01:09:58 AM
Thanks you guys for your caring words!!  I know everyone understands everything, I just wish I didn't have to experience it!!  Today has been an on and off pain day.  It has come and go.  I have been on top of my 2-7.5mgs of hydrocodone every 4 hrs as much as I can remember.  I try to wait until I feel pain and hope it takes longer and longer, but I can't seem to get past 4-5 hrs without having to take more meds...usually by then it is too late.  Anyway, I had the lidocaine patch on all day and it seemed to help about 10% of the pain.  I know it is hard to understand how I know that it helped that much, but my pain is so much that I felt that much less with the patch on.  I still couldn't do much, but I had a little bit of relief.  Anyway, I am finally home now after coaching gymnastics.  I have taken the pain patch off and should be taking meds soon.  The pain is coming back big time b/c I am late on my meds.  I wish those patches could stay on 24hrs a day instead of only 12hrs!  Some of the pain has gone to the outside of the corner of my knee cap.  Usually that pain comes and goes, but it has been around all day long today...the pain patch mostly helped that part though.  It is amazing that I can disect my pain and know exactly when and why it comes and goes.  Anyway, I am about to eat some dinner, take meds, do my PT exercises, ice, and make some jewelry. 

Brianne...I can talk gymnastics anytime!!  This weekend I am going to watch the SEC Gymnastics Championships near my home!!  I can't wait!  I am going with much of my gymnastics team that I coach.  My girls are so excited that I am going.  My mom is going too!!  She used to me my gymnastics coach a long time ago.

Saul, I read a little bit of your diary.  Some of it sounds familiar.  I hope my pain doesn't last as long as yours did.  I have lots of athletic goals in front of me.  :)  I am trying to think positive!  Keep taking care of yourself!!  I will have to keep up with your posts to see how you hopefully improve after over a year of pain!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 26, 2008, 12:11:26 PM
Good morning.  Lots of pain last night. I woke up so many times all night.  My knee is also more swollen than usual this morning.  :(  I just took 2-10mgs of vicodin at 8am.  I will probably go back to the smaller dose later.  I just need to have some relief since the 7.5s don't do much for me.  I hope everyone is doing okay today!  Have a good one!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 26, 2008, 05:17:52 PM
Good afternoon.  The 10mgs, helped a lot today!  Still can't walk, but I feel so much better.  I feel like I can at least move around some!  I am also wearing a lidocaine patch on my surgery knee and what was left from cutting a piece is on my left knee.  So my knees are a little numb, but I can still feel most of the sharp pains.  Anyway, now I am dealing with woman pains today!!  It should be my only bad day of it!  I can't believe 10mgs of vicodin doesn't help that pain!  Anyway, later!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 26, 2008, 11:45:52 PM
Took the pain patch off to see if it makes a difference...it does make a difference.  My pain has also progressed to being a constant pain on the outside corner of my knee cap  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(It is very very sharp.   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  My husband really wants to go out for dinner tonight, so I said yes.  I will be wearing my knee brace tonight for the first time in 6 weeks or something like that.  I just need the protection.   :-[ :-[ >:( >:( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 26, 2008, 11:58:08 PM
Got out of dinner...
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 27, 2008, 12:49:57 AM
Hi Farrah!  Gosh. I dont really know what to say. Vicodan, pain patch, crutches, now your brace????   I know you know this and are so sick of hearing it.....but...it seems your knee is going in the wrong direction. Are you still keeping your pain log for your doctor?  When do you see the doctor again?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on March 27, 2008, 12:58:33 AM
Farrah,

You are in worse shape now then you were 6 weeks ago.  Whatever is supposed to be happening is not happening for you because you are clearly not getting any better.  When do you see your OS again?  If its very far from now then I think you need to call your OS's office and get yourself in sooner.  This is ridiculous.  You are 11 weeks Post-Op and on narcotic pains meds every day, using pain patches, still on two crutches, and now wearing your brace.  THIS IS NOT MUSCLE WEAKNESS!  There is no telling what it could be and hopefully its something easy to fix, but this needs to end.  You need to make sure your OS knows what is going on and that you get the proper treatment. 

You should not be in this pain and its time to stand up for yourself and get yourself the treatment you need to get relief.

I know you say you cannot take time off work or coaching, but at this point you need to be RESTING.  Who cares if you need the money and if you have a commitment to your gymnastics team.  YOU NEED TO HAVE PERMANET USE OF YOUR LEG.  At this point in the game you need to get agressive and be proactive.  Do what needs to be done to get your leg better.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but you CANNOT keep going on like you have been.

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: amoore on March 27, 2008, 01:08:18 AM
Hi Farrah--
This is my first time reading your diary... very helpful, by the way!  I had a Fulkerson on Jan. 10 and am having some similar issues.  I was beginning to think I was the only one who didn't seem to be progressing.  So sorry to read about your constant pain, tho-- I am only in pain when I am in pt or trying to bend my knee or walk( which is most of the time, I guess).  When do you go back to your dr.? do you have popping/cracking? I seem to experience that alot and it is very painful when it happens.  Makes you wonder if a total knee replacement would have been better. I miss regular excercising very much-- in pt I sit on a stationary bike and grit my teeth every time my foot goes around.  Can't believe such easy things are so difficult right now. I am without crutches, but am hobbling and limping- am afraid I am creating some bad habits that will be hard to break.  Hard to strengthen those leg muscles when anything you do hurts- my pain is also all around and under my knee cap.  Sure hope you get some answers and some relief.  I'll keep checking your entries.  Thanks again for your diary- it makes me feel like I'm not imagining how hard this is  :)
--Annette

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 27, 2008, 02:42:29 AM
Everyone, thanks for your posts :(  I just don't know what to say.  I didn't go out to dinner and I did try to use my brace around the house for a few minutes...that didn't make a difference at all...it is the weight bearing that hurts the most.  If it's not the weight bearing, it is the motion of walking.  I also can't move my leg from one surface to another without sharp pain...or bend and straighten in any way.  I do feel like I am getting worse instead of better. I just don't know what to say.  I noticed today that it is pretty on fire and swollen too...not as much as after surgery of course, but enough to where you can't make out that there is a knee cap under there. 

Brianne, I just can't follow your advice as far as dropping my life and resting b/c too many things are on the line.  I would be more miserable if I didn't have any money to pay bills or live.  My next OS apt isn't until April 17th, but I see them all the time at PT.  They see me in pain and struggling.  I told them how miserable I was over the weekend even while resting.  I have been resting soooo much that my husband is starting to get frustrated like I am faking it just to not have to do anything.  Of course we know that is not the case. 

Annette, sorry you are going through similar problems!  I completely understand about the bike..thank god I have only had to do it once.  Sometimes when the clinic is packed, my PT wants to throw me on there until I remind her that I can't do it at all!  My knee does pop sometimes and it grinds a lot if I try to straighten it out...although I try hard not to straighten it out b/c it hurts soooo much!   Sometimes I also have a problem where I try to sit in a chair while holding on the arm rests to take pressure off the knees...sometimes it is like somethings moves around in my knee and if I continued to sit it would feel like something is about to pop out of place all within my knee joint...when I feel like something is getting stuck or moved, then I straighten out and do it again and then it is fine.  It has happened in front of my doctor a few times and he has done tests to see why it does that, but he can't figure it out.  I am just a mess right now and I feel like my diary isn't very informative b/c it seems like it is not the way it is suppose to be. 

I am going to bed now to pretend like I can sleep.  Goodnight!  I have PT tomorrow....

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on March 27, 2008, 09:19:10 AM
Hey Farrah,
been following this thread for a long time now and like Brianne I am wondering why you seem to be going backwards in terms of pain - its not muscle weakness, you have pain at rest and it has been becoming worse recently.

Whatever about taking time out of your life (which by the way you COULD do - I always say 'the world wont stop turning if i drop off the radar for a few days'), I definitely think you should bring your OS appointment to a sooner date if you can. Its 3 weeks away. If there is some kind of underlying issue that is preventing you from progressing, having it looked at sooner than 3 weeks would be better for you. Even if it was only to put your mind at ease - but you have really been struggling recently and I dont like to think of you continuing to struggle while waiting for this OS appointment. I know PT see you all the time, but they are only physiotherapists - not OS's. My PT is a very intelligent woman with a lot of knowledge -but she freely admits, she doesnt know anything about knee surgeries.

Your diary IS informative, its important you post experiences good and bad - it really helps other people.

So maybe think about what is being said here - perhaps if you could see your OS sooner you would be quicker to get resolution as to why youve been suffering with it so much?

Read back over your diary yourself and think about what advice you would offer to someone in your position.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 27, 2008, 02:04:40 PM
 :'( :'( :'( :'(  Despite 2-7.5mgs of vicodin, it is so bad.  I plan to fuss at PT today.  I have it in 2 hrs. If this situation persists, I will go get a 2nd opinion, but I need to find a patella specialist first.  I can't afford to go far from home.  I will start researching now.  I want to see my OS one more time first to see what else he has to say...by then I will be almost 4 mos PO!  I am already almost 3mos (tuesday is 3mos)!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on March 27, 2008, 02:21:04 PM
Farrah - would you not try and get answers off the surgeon who performed the surgery sooner than 4 months post op than jumping straight on a second opinion? You may not need a second opinion yet, when did you last see your OS? Is he even aware of the issues you are having? Can you phone his offices and explain the situation to his secretary and ask that she passes along the message to him?

To me this seems pretty clear - you are struggling badly and have been for a little while now, you are not due to see your OS til Apr 17th - so go see him sooner and kick up a big fuss about the amount of pain you are in and see what he says - only then worry about second opinions or patella specialists - first place to go is back to the doc who did the work!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on March 27, 2008, 02:26:19 PM
Farrah,  I'm not sure how you function on the vicodin.  Last night I needed to take 1 (one) 7.5 mg vicodin to control some bone graft pain and I was asleep on the sofa.  There is no way I would be able to work while taking a higher dose.

I think you are making a wise decision to get a 2nd opinion. You have been over this time and time again with your OS/PA and they do not take you seriously.  It is definitely time to get to the bottom of this problem.

One thing to keep in mind and I by no means want you to take this the wrong way (and I am not attempting to scare you)... but...If by some slim chance there is something serious going on then the sooner it is treated the better.  If your OS is missing something then the sooner it is caught the better!!

Hope your day gets better,
Karen
   
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on March 27, 2008, 02:34:06 PM
sorry Farrah - after seeing Karens post I went back for a read and realised Id missed your post about your last OS appointment a couple of weeks ago.

one thing that struck me was that the OS told you you needed to back off certain activities and work your lifestyle round your knee cos if you make it sore it stays sore - have you been following orders and doing that? I wonder if you are just pushing yourself too hard?

Anyway that was me getting a bit sidetracked - I hadnt realised you had seen your OS so recently - I still think you could kick up a fuss to see him sooner, there is no harm in getting checked over.

Do you think things have worsened over the past weeks since you last saw him?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 27, 2008, 02:41:02 PM
Tanya, I saw my OS on March 13th and he knows my problems, but they are getting worse.  My PA is completely on top of it.  I see the PT, PA, and OS twice a week when I go for PT.  So they know it all.  I want to see my OS again before getting a 2nd opinion, but usually it takes a while to get an apt with a specialist as a new patient, so I am thinking about it now.  The pain is just too much to just keep trying things.  The worst part is that I have been resting way more than usual.  Maybe I am resting too much??  I am doing everything my OS told me to prevent my pain!  UGH!

Karen, sometimes it is hard to take the meds.  I am usually tired about 15 min after taking it.  I will be tired for about 30min then I am better.  The 10mgs make me even more tired for the same amt of time...but they help much more.

Gotta get back to work...I will post after PT.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 27, 2008, 06:28:28 PM
I am seriously depressed.  At PT, I told her that I wasn't feeling very well...so we tried all kinds of new ankle exercises.  Those were okay except when I tightened up my leg.  I fussed at PT at the end...I cried over the pain again.  She asked me all kinds of questions.  She asked if I have been over doing it...I said no, but I have been resting all the time!! It is true.  She said if you do too much, then that could be the reason...I said I am not.  She also asked during what things does it hurt and this and that.  She asked my pain scale...I said 7...almost always!  I also told her it has been way worse over the last 2-3 weeks.  She realized I am in a lot of pain during everything...even resting.  She asked how the pain patch helps, and I said just a tiny bit.  She also began to say that I am still early and shouldn't expect to jump around and walk without problems, etc.  I said I understand that, but I should be able to concentrate at work.  She told me to reschedule my OS apt for ASAP and that she is going to talk to them this afternoon when she sees them.  Well when I went to reschedule, nothing was available until May!  So I kept my April 17th apt and told my PT that there wasn't anything.  She said she was going to talk to them today and let me know what is said.  Unless they want to see me ASAP, I imagine that I won't know the solution of that discussion until Monday's 6pm PT apt. If I don't get a call today, then I will call her tomorrow afternoon.

Gotta get back to work now...

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on March 27, 2008, 06:45:25 PM
Farrah - dont be depressed - this is a good outcome. Your PT took your pain seriously and wants you to see your OS sooner - hopefully she will be able to get an earlier appointment for you. At least this means you are being listened to.

Call her tomorrow afternoon and see what she says.

I know it seems very depressing but actually the bright side is that people are starting to take note and listen to you and not just fob you off.

Chin up pet - it will come out ok.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on March 27, 2008, 06:50:58 PM
Farrah,

Call your OS office back and ask to have the OS or PA call you back that you need to speak to him ASAP.  There are always emergency appt's available and who the heck is the receptionist to decide if you are "bad" enough to get one. This is crazy...Fight Girl...DON"T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER.

Heck...Give me the number...when I am done with them you will have a appt today...hehe!

Take Care,
Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on March 27, 2008, 06:52:58 PM
Farrah,

Call your OS's office back and tell them its urgent and that you are a PO paitent.  Every OS's office holds a certain number of appointments every day for urgent cases that come up.  That is BOGUS that they told you it would be until May or for you to keep the April 17th.  Make them get you in sooner.  As a Post-Operative paitent they have to take your concerns more seriously then a non-PO paitent. 

You have to fight for yourself.  Karen and I will get things sorted out for you!  ;D

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on March 27, 2008, 08:08:03 PM
heck we may as well give them a call from Ireland too :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on March 27, 2008, 09:14:53 PM
I agree!!!!! Is worth the effort!  Not only are your emotionally and physically drained but its affecting your work and your marriage! 
Hoping for some answers for you!
Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 28, 2008, 12:35:16 AM
Farrah......there is ALWAYS an appt time. Trust me.  We are "full at my office" all the time....yet...we add people on our schedule like crazy.  When the PT talks to your doctor a spot will become available....they always do......esp if PT says you have to see him.

Im glad they listened.  Good for you for telling them all the facts and making them listen. You did good.  Take a deep breath. Have faith....you can get them to help you. 

Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 28, 2008, 12:44:08 AM
Thanks everyone for the caring posts.  Even though I don't respond to everyone or everything, it really helps me mentally knowing that people are there to back me up and support me and really seem to care.  I feel the same about all of your situations too!!! 

Tomorrow I am calling my PT to ask if she talked to the OS or PA today.  I know my OS has emergency apts, but I didn't want to ask about it unless they were concerned enough to put me on their schedule.  I don't mind even just seeing them during PT on Monday evening...it is the same kind of visit that way.  I am still feeling horrible despite 2-7.5mgs of vicodin every 4 hrs and the pain patch after PT. I had to coach tonight and sat the entire time with my leg up.  This is really getting me down.  I am tired out just from trying to prevent pain!  I am anxious to see if my PT talked to someone today!

My injured dog is doing great.  His bandages came off today.  He is licking his wounds a lot, but I am not too worried about it.  His chest is shaved and still bruised with puncture teeth wounds all around it.  His energy level is getting back to where it used to be.  Medicine has still been a problem with him...we have to force it down his throat.  I will check back on here later. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 28, 2008, 02:34:31 AM
I finally took some pictures of my knees.  These were just taken tonight...11.5 weeks PO.  My scar is small compared to you guys, but very puffy.  You can see the swelling compared to my other knee.  I look huge in these pictures though.  I am not happy with my weight, but I am not what that looks like...you will have to go back to look at the pic I posted a while ago that shows me from head to toe standing up.  My other knee is bad too, so I have no muscle definition there either...I used to be solid muscle!!  I miss it!! 

Today at gymnastics, I watched the highest level gymnast practicing her floor routine today and she was solid muscle with six pack abs and everything...I used to be that!!  I miss that!!!  Ever since I had to quit gymnastics b/c I fractured my back, my knees started getting bad once I took up other sports instead of gymnastics...so I was never able to get back to the level of fitness that I used to be.  I can't wait to get there if I ever get to!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: sterns on March 28, 2008, 02:59:52 AM
Nice knees !!!!!!!! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Swelling will take some time to go away. As far as the doctor thing, if you do not get a call just walk into the office and act crazy. They will see you immediately  ;D ;D.

Take care and glad to hear doggy is doing well.

Saul
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on March 28, 2008, 08:59:59 AM
great knee pics!! my knees look terrible from that angle too - your scar is not bad at all.

farrah - definitely rant and rave to get that appointment - sure you are worn out with pain and trying to prevent pain and worrying about pain - you need your energy for healing - so phone up today and give em hell!!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 28, 2008, 01:20:25 PM
Still struggling over here....:( 

Callling my PT at 11am...1hr after she arrives there I think.  Will keep you posted.
Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on March 28, 2008, 01:41:01 PM
Farrah - when you call, refuse to take no for an answer!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 28, 2008, 04:59:47 PM
So I spoke with my PT this morning.  She talked to my PA yesterday who talked to my OS afterwards.  The plan is to get me into a pain management doctor.  I don't know when.  On Monday when I go back to PT, the PA will talk to me about it.  The idea is to adjust my pain meds so they work, but aren't unhealthy amounts.  I asked if this will solve the reason why I am having problems.  She said that it will help me feel better so I can get through getting my muscles stronger!  This will then help my muscles control my knee cap so I don't have so many ongoing problems with my knee maltracking.  So I was kind of upset after speaking with my PT, but I understand it.  I couldn't cry b/c I am in the middle of the last day of my work deadline.  I guess I am in for the long journy to recovery....once I get my muscles stronger and still need meds, that will show them that there is an underlying issue that needs to be resolved.  Until then, I must be patient.  If I am not satisfied with this solution in a few weeks, then I will still go get a 2nd opinion.  Until then, I must keep my April 17th OS apt.  So I guess I will be going to multiple doctors now and then...UGH!  This is too much.  I have realized that the 2-7.5mgs are helping a little more than I thought b/c after 2 hrs of taking it, then pain comes back.  I thought the pain patch was helping some, but I guess not.  Anyway, so that is where I am now....I don't know if I should be happy or sad. 

Farrah

I CALLED MY PA TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL OF THIS....Hopefully he will call back tonight!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 28, 2008, 10:49:09 PM
I had a lot happen since my last post this afternoon!!  I think it is good stuff!!  I did call my PA and leave him a message earlier thinking I wouldn't hear back.  I just wanted more answers and a better explanation of what he wanted me to do.  So last I heard, it was go to pain management.  Well Katheryn (my PT) called me during coaching...I had my cell on me just in case they called this time.  Anyway, she told me that my OS wants to prescribe me this pack of huge anti-inflammatory medication...supposedly it is this pack of pills where you take so many in one day, one less the next, and one less the next, and so on.  It is suppose to help a lot with the pain.  Then the PA asked to talk to me...they were standing right next to each other talking about the situation.  First he said, "so you are still in pain, huh?"  I said yes.  So he explained the new plan to me.  He said take this medication then call him by the middle of next week or the end to let him know if it helps.  He also told me to stop PT for a while. He said if the medication helps, then back to PT.  If not, then he wants to try a steroid injection.  If that doesn't help, then pain management!  Meanwhile, I can take the vicodin as needed.  I like that plan much better.  I am also very happy about taking a break from PT!!  After talking to the PA, my PT got back on the phone and told me to keep doing the PT that doesn't bother my knee.  If anything hurts, don't do it.  Now this has to sound like a good plan!!  Let me know what you think. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on March 28, 2008, 11:13:24 PM
That's great news Farrah  :D At least yo're finally getting someone to listen. I really hope this new plan helps but if it doesn't at least they're there with a back up plan!!! And I think laying off the PT is a really good idea, You may have started doing too much too soon and that hasn't helped.

It is also great because I guess that has made you feel a lot better about things. There's nothing worse than being in pain and not knowing what to do and not having anyone else knoing what to do, it must have seemed like it was never going to end!!!

 I really am so happy for you. I can't wait to hear how it goes.

Gemma x x
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 28, 2008, 11:18:30 PM
I think that sounds good too. I know that we want strength....but everyone I see says that Pain inhibits muscles....so...if the Medrol dose pack helps your inflammation and you can tone the activities down than the knee can wake back up.   You can start over..not inflammed...wiithout the pain beating you up mentally every day.    Good start....

Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 29, 2008, 02:54:47 AM
I did some research on this medrol dosepak thing and it is crazy...I didn't realize it was a steroid!!  It is used for so many different illnesses and diseases.  CRAZY!  I don't care...I am on the road to relief hopefully!!  Positive attitude all the way!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on March 29, 2008, 03:17:10 AM
glad to hear you are at least getting some where with this.  as for no PT...I think that is a very wise thing right now.  Not having PT for a week or so will help you out alot.  If anything it may help calm things down a bit.  Hope you can find rest this weekend.

Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 29, 2008, 03:25:49 AM
Farrah...a week of steroids wont be a big deal........they can make you feel a little nutty though...Ive taken them before for a skin rash thing....I felt sorta crazy....slightly...and felt insomnia a slight bit...but not much.  Drink lots and lots of water while on a steroid......

:-)
laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 29, 2008, 03:34:18 AM
I am thrilled with the idea of relief!!  I wonder if I will start to feel a difference tomorrow...would be nice!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 29, 2008, 03:17:15 PM
Hello guys...very very rough night last night!  I torchered myself by taking the 2-7.5mgs instead of 10 before bed last night :(  I woke up with lots of pain!  I can't believe it makes that much of a difference. I had to wait for my husband to bring me a nice bagel from dunkin donuts this morning to take my vicodin and now steroids.  I have a gymnastics event to go attend today.  It is a sitting event, so don't worry.  I honestly can't wait!!  It is the SEC gymnastics championships!!  All the top Southeastern gymnastics colleges!!!   YIPPY!!  Well I may be spending the night away tonight at my parents house since the event is over there.  We'll see how late it goes.  So I may not be around for a while.  Have a great Saturday everyone!!  My attitude has changed around so much!  I am much happier now that my medical team is taking me seriously!!!   

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 30, 2008, 04:17:29 AM
Good evening (night) everyone.  I am home thank goodness...been home for a few hours.  THe meet was so amazing!  I have pics if anyone is interested!  I have a picture of Courtney Kupets on crutches from a torn achilles tendon injury.   I iced BOTH knees when I got home tonight...so much pain.  I had my surgery leg up the entire night at the gymnastics event.  Nobody was sitting in the chair in front of me, so I could elevate!!  It wasn't too comfortable, but it was better than having it bent for hours straight.  Anyway, I guess I am not suppose to feel a difference with the steroids for 72 hrs or something...thank goodness b/c I thought I would at least notice something tonight, but I did not at all!  Well gotta go take my frakin' 4 meds, give my dog his meds, and heat up my heating pad for my back since that hurts too.  I hope I get some sleep tonight.  Good night!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: sterns on March 30, 2008, 07:21:42 AM
Very funny, glad you had a good time. As for me I am waiting to see what use the prednisone does with my upcoming therapy. My attitude is that it cannot hurt any worse than it does now. And by the way, I took my first oxycontin and 8:30pm and by 1:45am I had to take a second one. The meds barely take a dent out of the pain and I am up doing this and watching absolutely nothing on tv.

Take care and hope you have a good night.


Saul
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on March 30, 2008, 08:22:43 PM
Farrah

 I completely understand about your back!  Mine is hurting more than my knee.  I have discomfort daily wirh my feet and know I have it in my knees as well all due to osteoarthritis and I am use to that.  MY surgery knee is not hurting just discomfort due to the stiffness.  I have problems with my back since having twins and this past week has been terrible.  I was told to not only use heat but also ice too.  Not sure the ice has helped but I know the heating pad does.  Today I am having problems with swelling in my knees and feet.  Mostly my surgery knee.  Guess I did way too much yesterday. 
  I went to Target and shopped with my son he had bday $ to spend.  I took my crutches but once inside I just held the cart.  I did well.  no knee giving but after 45 mins walking, stopping and standing I could tell it was time to go.  I was suppose to go grocery shopping too but couldnt.  By the time I got to our van I was hurting.  more my back but my knees were hurting too.   Later last night I did 20 mins on the bike.  I was suppose to stop at 10 but before I knew it I was at 20 mins. by the time I went to bed my knee was swollen.  this am i headed to church and taught in childrens church.  Now my knee and foot is swollen pretty god.  So I am resting...no PT for me today going to take it easy.
  I love gymnastics.  I never had the opportunity to participate in the sport my sport was fast pitch softball, I  loved that game!  I would have loved to been with you yesterday.  I just love watching.  I cant wait for the olympics!
have a good one
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 30, 2008, 10:26:29 PM
Melissa, sorry you have so many issues with your back, foot, and knee!!  That sucks!  I have never once had any issues with my foot through the entire surgery ordeal.  As for my back, I am on my 10th year of having those problems.  I am afraid to go to that doctor at the end of the month!!  He didn't want me to have the knee surgery.  Oh well!!  Too late.  If my OS sends me to pain management, then I probably wouldn't have to go see my back doctor anymore.  All I do every 6 mos with my back doctor is pay $40, talk, and get prescription pain med and anti-inflammatory refills!  Waste of time!  It never changes, so I hate that I always have to go in just to get refills.  The heating pad helped a lot last night on my back!  It felt so great!  I would never heat my knees.  I don't want to ice my back either. 

Anyway, I spent two hours watching tennis today.  It was in the low 50s...cold and cloudy.  I was all bundled up with my sweats and then also under a blanket watching outside on a bench.  I had my leg stretched out so it wouldn't get too stiff.  The constant pain has been off and on today.  I have been taking 2-7.5mgs of vicodin every 4 hrs exactly.  I have also been on top of my steroids...two down, three to go for today.  I still haven't noticed a difference.  At tennis today, they drove me nuts about still being on crutches and asking what the deal is and such.  They all like to give me their opinions!!   I just kind of listen to it and let it go in one ear and out the other...they just care.  Anyway, back to my chinese take out as a late lunch/early dinner.  Have a good night everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 31, 2008, 02:27:40 AM
Hi Farrah!   I hear you on the crutch questions. I used to cycle with one of the doctors I work with....he, his wife and I and a few others went on a two week cycling trip to Italy the year before my knee surgery......so....ALLLLL the time he asks....when are you going to be better....when can you come cycle...when are we going back to Italy...I know he thinks  it is supportive...but...it is depressing....then after work...he changes into his cycling clothes and cycles home.....sigh...meanwhile....Im hauling my heavy ice machine out to my car ON crutches to come home and lay my fat butt on the couch.....bla......no one knows how much it sucks to be on the sidelines....Now...everyone on THIS site gets it....but no one else.........  Im glad you got to go watch your gymnastics meet. How fun. I love the floor and bars. Yes...olympics should be fun.....if all the politics in the world let it happen....

on the TV show...."I can make you thin"...ha ha....does it help just watching it??? haha....my work starts the biggest loser contest next Friday....does that mean I should try to fatten myself up this week???  I should eat something that bloats me and makes me dehydrated for the weigh in on Friday morning...ha ha ha.......

 8) laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 31, 2008, 02:40:41 AM
Laura, how are you going to do this contest at work?  You can't exercise!!  On Tuesday, Atlanta starts this "Walk There" thing where everyone wears a pedometer and it is a contest who walks the most in 30 days.  There are prizes and everything.  It is made to promote walking and saving the environment instead of driving everywhere.  This contest is in the city, so it is easier to walk everywhere.  I walk to lunch every day already.  It is way easier than walking out to the parking deck, leaving the deck, then getting through traffic to get to where you want to go just to park another 1 mile away in another parking deck, walk to the place, stand in a long line, then get back in your car and do it all over again.  So it is easier just to walk.  Anyway, it will be weird on crutches...hopefully not cheating though.  Anyway, I am still in pain tonight.  I am about to ice and take more meds.  I have two more steroids to take before bed, 2-10mgs of vicodin, and the antihistamine for itching. I hope I start feeling the affects of the steroids tomorrow as far as getting pain relief.

I can't wait for the olympics this year either!!  It will be so amazing!  I have no idea who the gymnasts will be, but I will be watching!!!  Have a good night everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on March 31, 2008, 03:09:31 AM
Hi Farrah...I hope that your pain meds work tonight.  How will I participate at work?  Well......I can cut out ALL the crap I have been eating.....and...I can swim...Im allowed to swim....I used to be good at it and I can swim long laps without even kicking with a pool buoy between my legs.....I used to train that way for races...so..it will be great incentive......most the women at work are overweight.  Probably only 4 to 5 of the 25 women have a normal BMI.  We are using the percentage of body weight loss to make it fair.....so....I dont think it will be that bad.....and...I can always do upper body weights too........I dont really care if I win...I just need to be held accountable. The contest lasts two months.  ;D

Off to bed for me too!
hope tomorrow is better for you!
Laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 31, 2008, 01:27:18 PM
Good morning all,

Still in pain...have not felt affects of the steroids yet.  I thinik today is suppose to be the day I will notice...we'll see.  I hope it is helping!  I woke up many times last night from being sweaty!!  The steroids make my cheeks bright red like a sunburn...apparently makes me hot at night too!  Lots of pain right now...gotta get working!  Have a good day everyone.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on March 31, 2008, 01:45:02 PM
Hi Farrah,
havent posted much recently - my boyfriends sister in law passed away on thursday then his grandmother passed away on saturday morning so we've been kept busy visiting family and trying to help out where we can - plus attending the removal/funerals etc...

ive my physio appointment today - this is where we discuss the fact that 10 months on with the physio and im still dislocating so easily, so she will be talking to me about what she will be putting into the report for the OS on friday.

Im sorry to hear your pain levels havent gone down yet - it can take some time i suppose to feel the effects of new drugs. Have you thought of keeping a Pain Diary so you can objectively assess if new meds are making a difference, you could also record your activity levels and see does that have any impact - might be useful for your OS to see a comprehensive diary of events - and might help nail down areas where things get worse. I was reading back over this thread - am I correct in saying it was mid-Feb that you really started to suffer with pain, what happened then - do you remember any particular incident? Prior to that you seemed to be doing very well.
Hope all is well otherwise.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on March 31, 2008, 02:25:55 PM
As far as losing weight goes when your knees are bad...it can totally be done.  I have lost 40 pounds in 6 months with my knees in bad shape.  I did it by making my diet healthier and doing pilates and upper body weights.  I did have to adapt the pilates some to accomodate my bad knees, but I still was able to do most of the exercises.  My results have been wonderful.  I went from a 12 to a 6.  So, losing weight can be done even with bad knees.  Good luck Laura, you will do just fine!

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 31, 2008, 02:45:03 PM
Hello Tanya, I have looked back on my diary too.  Nothing has ever happened.  Once my swelling started to go down a little, it was like I just got all the same pain again during similar activities.  Then it just started getting worse from there.  Now it is much worse than it was 2 weeks ago.  I have had little things happen here and there, but nothing to cause concern.  My dog ran into my calf to where my knee gave out enough to collapse to the floor in tears several weeks ago.  Then I had a few times where it popped painfully.  I don't think any of that matters.  It just really sucks!

Sorry about your boyfriends family!  I hope you are okay.  I can't wait to hear how your OS apt goes in a few days!

As for diet and exercise, I am suppose to be lowering my cholesterol.  It has been tough, but so far have maintained my weight.  I lost about 7 lbs after surgery and have maintained that.  I just can't go on a diet and exercise regimen without being able to exercise the way I feel like I worked out...running, cycling (spin class), etc.  So I can't wait for two good knees so I can start again.  Until then I just can't get motivated!  Good luck to all who is working on it!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 31, 2008, 05:53:05 PM
I just got back from driving over to subway for lunch today...it hurt so much.  I am at the point right now that I can't bear hardly any weight at all!!  It is way less painful to just pick up my leg and crutch everywhere.  The pain has been a #8 while weight bearing the slightest bit!!!  UGH!  I can stand on it fine, but I just can't bend and straighten while bearing weight.   Right now I am in constant pain again.  So far the steroids aren't doing anything for me.  I am still on the lower dose of hydrocodone though, but would love to take the higher one.  :(   :'( :'( :'(

Have a good day everyone! : (

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on March 31, 2008, 07:16:05 PM
Farrah,

 I know everyone keeps telling you that it is due to mal tracking and weak muscles but I am still having a hard time wrapping my mind around that cause for your so much pain.  A little pain or discomfort yes but a 8 wow!  I am so sorry you are in so much pain.  I wish there was something i could do to help.  Even with my constant pain from arthritis i am only at a 3-5  occassionally higher if I have done too much.  Now my knee hurt at a constant 8 or higher before the surgery so that pain I do not miss and wish you did not have to endure. 
    Praying for pain relief for you! 
Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on March 31, 2008, 10:12:26 PM
Melissa, thanks for the thoughts and cares!!  The pain really sucks.  Apparently my PA called me and left a message today returning my message from Friday.  I thought when they called me at 5:30pm on Friday that was returning my call, but apparently not.  He gave me his cell number, so I will call him on my way home to let him know he answered my questions.  Maybe he will ask if I am feeling the steroids yet...we'll see.  Have a good night everyone.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on March 31, 2008, 10:22:19 PM
Farrah - Don't just tell him if he asks....Tell him anyway.  The Steroid dose packs should work very quickly (at least they have when i have taken them for various reasons).  If it has been a few days you should be getting some relief.  Hope you get some time to relax tonight!

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 01, 2008, 02:07:06 AM
I called my PA on the way home today.  I asked him when I am suppose to notice if the steroids are working...he said by day 3 (today).  So I told him I wasn't feel much of a difference.  He said to just be patient for a few more days.  So I will be calling him on Thursday to let him know.  I am still crossing my fingers!!  I am tired...so I am off to take more meds, do PT, and go to bed.  Have a great night everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 01, 2008, 04:35:38 PM
Good morning...today is 3 months post op!!!!  I am on my 4th day of steroids...I am afraid to say this, but I feel a tiny tiny difference in pain in my knee for the better.  I currently don't have a lot of constant pain right now as long as I dont' drive or do too much and the sharp pain is not quite as bad...#6/7 instead of #7/8.  I don't know if this is from the steroids or from resting so much.  I am not holding my breath, but I am happy about the change right now.  It doesn't make a difference in what I can or can't do though....still can't walk or move very well.  :(  I am not sure if this would be the ideal response to the steroids...or if I should notice a bigger difference...not sure.  I am waiting for two more days before knowing if it is helping enough or not.

My old PT responded to an e-mail I sent him over the weekend about my update.  He highly advised me to not go to pain management unless my OS is still going to be the primary care doctor of this problem. Hopefully it doesn't get to that!! 

Gotta go now!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 01, 2008, 09:00:51 PM
I thought I could manage with 0 vicodin...at 5hrs past my last dose, I realized how wrong I was!!  So I only took 1 7.5mg instead of 2.  I can tell the difference, but I am going to live with it until my next dose.  :( 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on April 01, 2008, 09:17:06 PM
Farrah,

Why are you so against the idea of Pain Management?  It could really help you to get your pain under control.  Pain issues after surgery are not an uncommon problem and Pain Management will help to control your pain so you are able to rehab your knee the way you need to.   I would believe that if you went to PM that your OS would still be overseeing your treatment.

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 01, 2008, 09:42:45 PM
I am not against it, I am just so afraid to go to too many doctors for one issue.  I also don't want anymore tests!!  I hate MRI's and bone scans and such!  The way it looks I won't have to do that...but I will not think about it too much just in case.  I am thinking if these steroids have helped the slightest bit, then maybe the injection will help the rest...we'll see how it goes.  I will do anything to not feel so much pain...if PM is what it ends up as, then fine.  These steroids have taking a toll on my body...red cheeks, always having the munchies, and being hot!!  They suck!  Two more days after today!  Thank goodness it is almost over!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 02, 2008, 02:09:22 AM
Taking 1-7.5mg was a mistake!!  I was almost in tears all the way to coaching!!  Driving SUCKS!!!  I bet I would feel better if I would stop driving!  Once I got to coaching, I had to sit the whole time and act happy!  Fun stuff!  I hope tomorrow allows the steroids to make me feel better more than just a tiny tiny bit and then bad again!!  I think it was my bad decision of taking half of my usual vicodin dose. Have a good night everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 02, 2008, 01:05:29 PM
Steroids apparently not helping me :(  I am in a lot of pain today :(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 02, 2008, 05:54:20 PM
Farrah,
are you doing too much? can you even take 2 or 3 days of just pure rest and see how your body reacts to it?
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 02, 2008, 06:07:25 PM
Tanya, I am doing less than I have ever have in my life!!  I go to work, sit all day, go home, sit all night.  3 nights a week, I drive from work to coaching and sit for 1-1.5hrs, then go home and sit for the rest of the night.  Throughout all of the sitting, I am icing and taking meds.   I can't take any time off work to sit anymore than I already am.  The weekends are my rest times.  I am the laziest person you will ever meet now....opposite of what I used to be as a very very active athlete!

Since my last post, some of the horrible pain has subsided as long as I don't move around too much.  I still can't hold my leg up, extend it the slightest bit, or walk at all without a ton of pain.  As long as I don't try those things, then I can sit here at work with little constant pain....really nothing new.  The last 3-4 weeks (since my March 13th OS apt), I have been taking it so easy!  There is no reason for this mess and I don't deserve it!!  Tomorrow is the day to let my OS know that the steroids didn't help.  :(   

On top of all of this, my left knee keeps hurting more and more!!  Since I am starting to hardly ever bear weight while walking on my right knee, my left is really hating it!!  I used to be able to at least try to bear weight and walk short distances, now I can't do it at all!   I used to be able to take small slow steps with 1 crutch, now I can't do that at all either!  The walking part is definitely the worst of it all...sorry to go on about it....I am just tired of it.  I feel like I am going to have to wait forever for my right to get better from the surgery while I let the left get worse and worse then have to wait for that one forever before fixing it.  So this could drag on forever!!  UGH!!  I don't have forever!!  I was hoping to be back in tennis this season...we are now in our 4th out of 7 weeks and there is no way!!  So I signed up for my next team that starts in June...I am praying for at least 1 match that season!  We'll see how it goes :( 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 02, 2008, 08:17:27 PM
Hi Farrah,
Do you find on a Monday after a resting weekend its still just as bad? Dont worry a bit about being lazy right now - you will get back to more activity when your knees are fixed!!
I think you should let your OS know tomorrow that the steroids havent helped - now is the time to keep at them, and keep on top of the situation, otherwise they will just think youre doing fine when youre not - you have to make a lot of noise to get listened to sometimes.
Any chance someone else could drive you round for a couple of days in case driving is aggravating things?
Im just trying to think of ways of isolating whats actually going on, maybe if you could come to a complete stop for a few days then slowly re-introduce things you do like driving perhaps you might get a pointer as to what the triggers are. Sometimes just hoofing around on crutches can hurt knees. And you know yourself - when pain starts its very hard to stop.
Do you find it has eased at all after a nights sleep or is it the same?
xx
Tanya
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 02, 2008, 08:44:18 PM
Mondays are the same as always!  Resting seems to help some of the constant pain, but when I drive or weight bear the slightest bit during walking, the pain is horrible and becomes constant.  I can disect everything about my pain...when and why it starts and where it is and how long it will last.  Driving and walking are the worst!  I can help the walking by lifting my surgery leg off the ground and crutching along. As the day continues, the pain gets worse.  General movement is also the problem.  I think that rest, off from PT, and the steroids have all slightely contributed to less constant pain...so that's good.  I am still not even close to having control over the pain though.  My walking and driving pain is getting worse consistenly!  It sucks!  Meanwhile, I can tell my muscles are at least getting stronger!  Anyway, that's that for now...gotta get back to work! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on April 02, 2008, 09:25:31 PM
Farrah,

I know this would be difficult for you, but you really ought to consider not driving for a while.  You stated that it is something that aggravates your pain and so it would be good to let the leg rest by not driving.  I am sure it would be a hassle for you to not drive, but at this point you need to look at everything you can do to eliminate sources of pain.

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 02, 2008, 09:47:23 PM
I will talk to the OS's office tomorrow, but I can't stop driving.  I work too far away from home and too far from anyone else to carpool.  It is just not an option.  It is something that causes a lot of pain, but I just can't help it.  I told my PT about it early on and she said just push the seat up all the way and use the ankle.  So I am.    It is braking that sucks! Gotta go!!!

I took 1-10mg of vicodin at 2pm and regretting it.  I am trying to back off some pain meds, but it isn't working...now I have to drive home :(

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on April 02, 2008, 10:58:04 PM
Farrah, With the amount of pain you are in and the difficulty you are having could you not take a couple of weeks off of work to get yourself back to some sort of normality? This is getting really silly. I feel angry for you because it seems really unfair and you shouldn't be in so much ALL the time.

It does seem as if you should take a while off driving and taking some time off work would give you that break.

Gemma x x x
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 03, 2008, 02:27:39 AM
I know everyone is so tired of hearing from me, but I have been bored a lot at work lately!  Our deadline was over last week, so this week is slooooooowww!!  I hate slow! 

Funny story!  While I was at work today, I thought it would be fine to try an energy drink after taking my pain meds since they make me sleepy.  Well it tasted so gross, so I wasted most of it and only drank about 4-5 sips.  Since surgery, I have cut back on caffeine since I can't do anything with my energy.  Well I was WIRED all day long today!!!!  Usually when I feel like that I come home and run or play tennis or go to LA fitness and do a spin class!!  UGH!!  SO I will never do that again until I can actually exercise the fake energy off !!!  The day was sooooo slow b/c I was sitting at a desk drawing some stairs for our apartment tall building project. 

Okay, so no matter how badly I would LOVE to take some time off work or not drive, I just can't.  I think the rest would definitely definitely help though!  I realized today that resting during the day is why the constant pain subsides some during the day...as soon as I leave to go home and once I am home, the pain sucks for the rest of the night!!  Tonight I forgot to take my meds at 6pm and then had to run 2 errands before coming home...so I am playing catch up big time on some pain meds while icing right now.  :(   :'(  I call my OS tomorrow about the lack of the steroids doing much...Have a good night everyone! :(

Farrah

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: *Margaret on April 03, 2008, 04:56:03 AM
Farrah,

I have been following your diary for a while now. I realize that you are in pain, but you need to realize that you should slow down even more that what have been. If that means not driving, not  going to work, or  not coaching then do not do it. Your OS has done his job and now you need to do your job so you can heal, and if that means not doing anything then that is what you should do.

Margaret

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 03, 2008, 08:08:41 AM
I am in so much pain right now at almost 3am :( that I figured I'd get on here and post.  Maybe that will make me sleepy.  I just took another vicodin 10mg to help with the last few hours of the night.  I have already been up for hours because of it, but I was hoping I'd fall back asleep. 

My OS and PA know about my driving and such and that is why they have cut out PT for a bit until the pain is under control.  They said my work and my driving are enough PT for now.  I am not hiding it from them, but they also understand that patients have lives that the can't put on hold forever.  They said I could have driven at 2 weeks if I wanted to, but I knew then there was no way I could b/c of lack of muscle control.  I can control it now, but it hurts.  I don't think it is the actual driving, but the sitting in the car for 1hr or so.  Here is the thing...if I stop my job for a while, I lose benefits.  If I lose benefits, I can't afford the OS or PT!  If I can't afford those, then I really will not get better.  If I lose my job for whatever reason (which could happen) then I have no money and the whole situation gets worse.  Some of you guys have husbands or just situations that allow you to afford time off, but I just can't!  Both our incomes are vital to our financial situation...big time!  I will be talking to my doctors office later today and will talk about driving and such.  I will ask if he highly recommends time off work.  If so, then I will seriously consider MAYBE another week off or so.  It's just not easy you guys.  I am not being irresponsible and neglecting my health!!!  I have been very careful about what I do and resting.  I feel like I am doing everything I am suppose to and you guys are making me feel lousy for it!  Yes I am tired, but I am typing this e-mail in tears and the screen is getting all blurry now.  Please understand that I am doing everything I can to prevent pain!  I am a fantastic patient for folllowing OS's orders.  I will admit at first I wasn't so much b/c I was confident that it was a success b/c of how quickly my ROM came back, but then it went down hill after just a few weeks.  So the past 2 mos or so, I have laid off so much.  I am a horrible gymnastics coach now b/c I sit the whole time and can't demonstrate or anything.  A good coach will NEVER sit during coaching either!  So for the past 3 mos I have been a horrible coach.  When I drive, I don't follow so close so I don't have to do too much stop and go in the ATL traffic during my 1hr commute in the morning and 1.25-1.5hr commute at night.  I ice all the time and do my PT exercises almost every night if I am not in too much pain to get motivated to do them.  I take meds to prevent more pain.  Then during times when I feel a little relief, I continue to use the crutches and am very careful no matter how I feel....even though feeling a little relief doesn't help walking at all...it only helps sitting.  It seems over the last few weeks, I haven't been able to get rid of the walking pain at all!!  Now I am up at night from just moving around when I sleep b/c I can't seem to stay in place all night to prevent knee pain.  I usually don't have a bad attitude towards people that support or are motivating me on here, but I feel like I am being attacked for doing what I am suppose to do.  I know you guys will send me more posts about how I am horrible and not listening to my body.  So thanks!  Most of everyone's past posts have been very supportive and have got me moving on talking to my OS and such when typically, I will just let them push me around.  So I thank you for those responses...they are greatly appreciated. Most posts are appreciated!! The past few have really gotten me depressed like I don't care about my body at all!   I just can't take time off work!  Now my eyes are going to be puffy tomorrow (from crying right now) if I ever get back to bed and sleep for a few more hours. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 03, 2008, 09:19:27 AM
Hi Farrah,
Dont feel like we're attacking you at all - people are here just telling you what they think because we are following your diary and trying to help you figure out whats going on. Sure Ive people all over me since I joined this board telling me i NEED surgery and I went into denial for months just hoping and praying that the physio would work - even when it became obvious to an idiot that it wasnt working I was still hanging in there hoping it would!!!

Just take a step back from all of this for a minute and consider something - if you had a sudden accident that meant you needed to spend some time in hospital you would HAVE to stay off work and not drive or coach. I know that this is what you do in your life and that you feel it cant be changed right now - but ultimately the world wont stop turning if you take a week off and rest your knee. Im concerned that fighting it all the time might be hindering you even more and with the amount of pain you are experiencing you cant be making much progress on the muscles cos muscles dont like pain!! Also the pain meds are not good for your body in the long term so the sooner you can get off those the better.

No one is saying 'stop your life forever' - just take some time out for a short period of time and see how you get along, if it doesnt change anything then back to the OS to say that you have tried EVERYTHING and it didnt work. But if you did see some improvement imagine how good that would be? Spending over an hour in a car (whether driving or not) is NOT going to help your pain levels.

You are experiencing a lot of problems recently with pain and the inability to control it or progress much. Refusing to accept that perhaps you need to change to try and get to the root of it is not going to help you. I know its extremely difficult to come to an acceptance that youre not able to do some simple things, of course it is, you want to just get on with life and let that darned knee get better and have all this behind you. We all feel like that. And I know that your OS and PT are aware of the things you are doing - they say cut out PT til the pain is under control - but heres the thing - the pain is not getting under control with the way things are right now. If you showed your OS and PT this thread and gave them a real insight into everyday life and pain levels for you I am sure they would say you need to stop and rest also.

The stress from this must be awful for you - stress is terrible, and it doesnt do your body any good either.
I dont think that you are being irresponsible - but I do think that you are fighting the tides here and wearing yourself out with it.

What would your advice be to you if you were outside of this and reading this thread as someone who doesnt know Farrah?

Now if youre annoyed at me for this post then so be it - it wasnt written to annoy you but rather to try and encourage you to try EVERYTHING that you can to see can you get this pain under control.

It sucks Farrah, I know it sucks, you know it sucks, we ALL know it sucks - knees are the bane of a lot of our lives, but the people on here are telling you what they think to try and help you cos we'd all prefer to hear that you are doing well and that your pain is not so bad and that things are improving.

We CARE about you!!
xx
Tanya

ps - Ive a smear test this afternoon then my dreaded OS visit in the morning - so Ive a fun 24 hours lined up :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on April 03, 2008, 02:14:26 PM
Farrah,

I want to echo Tanya.  No one is trying to attack you, rather people are concerned about you.  You are NO closer to walking without crutches than you were two months ago when all this pain started.  In fact, you seem a lot worse than you were two months ago when the pain really began.  So whatever is happening is not working and you need to make some changes so you can allow yourself to get better. 

If you really stop to look back at the last two months of your diary you will see that nothing has changed in your progress.  You are taking enormous amounts of narcotic pain killers every day to try to control your pain, but you are still in a lot of pain.  I am not trying to say that this is your fault, but it is the truth, you are in a lot of pain every day and there has been no improvement for 2 months where there should have been.

At this point you need to be DEMANDING ANSWERS from your OS.  I am not saying this to try to imply that you are not fighting for yourself, but you need to make them listen to you.  Muscle weakness would not cause you to be on crutches 3 months post surgery and to be taking large amounts of narcotic pain killers every day.  Something else is causing your pain.  If you could say that you have at least made small improvements in the last 2 months then maybe things are working, albeit slowly.  But you are WORSE then you were 2 months ago.

Please consider making some short term changes to help imrove your pain.  If you were to look back at my "Left TTT Diary" from last summer you will see that I was in a lot of pain everyday as well.  My pain was not as bad as yours because I could still walk, but I really suffered all summer last year.  It got to the point where I could not do my job.  As hard as it was I had to make the decision to let my assistant do my jobs that involved being on my feet all day so I could allow myself to rest.  I am not sure what that would be for you, but please consider what you can do to relieve your pain.  At this point you need to consider doing whatever it takes to relieve your pain.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not think anyone is attacking you.  People are just concerned because you have been in a lot of pain for two months and its not improving.  Everyone here knows how much is sucks to have knee issues and how much they can affect our everyday lives.  We only want to see you get better.

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 03, 2008, 03:15:44 PM
I understand everyone...k :)  Tanya, I am not annoyed with your post...yours either Brianne.  I will do what I can.

I went ahead and left a message for my OS this morning.  I know he is in surgery, so hopefully I will get a call back today before 6pm.  Usually they call me between 5:30pm-6:30pm...if not by 6pm, I will call his cell to make sure that it is in his mind for Friday to figure something else out!  I could also call my PT to get her to talk to them too!  I really hope he at least gets his message from me around lunch today!  I don't want to go through the weekend not knowing what is going to happen next!!  If I am getting an injection, that could affect next week's schedule (or whenever it would be).  They better not make me wait weeks to find time on the schedule while I sit in pain all the time!  I am going to ask about driving and taking time off work to see if they think it would really help.  If so, then I will figure out a way to work from home for 1 week or so. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 03, 2008, 03:23:01 PM
just remember Farrah - none of this is your fault, but sometimes you have to go through some hoops to get to the reasons why this is going on.

my pt said to me on monday that she cannot understand why ive been jumping hoops so long with my knee and in her opinioon my OS should have agreed to operate ages ago - but i guess sometimes we just have to walk the difficult path to get answers!!

hope you get some answers from your OS very soon.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 03, 2008, 03:33:31 PM
Thanks guys...I still feel like it is all my fault and am very depressed about it.  I'll get through it.  Plan A has failed.  Plan B was injection and Plan C is Pain management doctor.  So we'll see how it all goes.  I will keep you posted. 

Tanya, I hope you get answers tomorrow!  I have been in your position many times!  It sucks when you know you have done everything, and they just keep saying try more PT!  I was thrilled to know they figured out my issues and had a solution....too bad it hasn't been succsesful yet!  :(  Post on my diary when you get some answers...you should start a PO diary anyway!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on April 03, 2008, 03:53:41 PM
Farrah - I'm really glad you are open to some "down time". Really hope that might help!!

As for Driving...I think i read that you moved your car seat all the was forward??  When I had my reight leg done...back in 2001...I started to drive really early (Ok...I did not know I should not be driving.  No one told me!) and I found that moving the seat BACK as far as possible was way more comfy.  It allowed me to move my foot but not use my knee much.  Now..I have the advantage of being tall so that might help. I still drive with my seat all the way back. You might want to give it a try close to home...Don't go getting on the Atlanta Freeway until you know if it works - I've been there many times for work and know how bad it can be - hehe.

I can tell you that working from home has been a god sent for me.  Let's see...I have not seen my office since Feb 18th. I can log onto the server through a VPN (Virtual Personal Network) and can get to any program that I have in the office. We have Email and a IM program so anyone that needs to reach me can get me with no issue.  The importent people have my cell number. It's a great thing. Guess at some point I have to go back...Maybe a day next week..But until I can walk I can work from the Sofa.  My point...sorry got a little long winded there...check to see if your company my offer something similer.  Many companies offer "work from home" these days.  Talk to your boss. It can't hurt.

Hope you get a call back soon!!
Karen 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 03, 2008, 04:10:51 PM
The biggest problem with working from home is the server issue...I would need access 100% of the time.  I would also need access to a shared set of architectural drawings to work from.  We have 1 huge set that we use as a team throughout the day.  So that would be another problem.  The other issue is asking questions.  In architecture you can't just ask a question...you have to show the question while asking it.  It could work, but there is a fat chance in my company that they would let me do it.  We'll see though...it would all depend on how my talk goes with my OS's office later today. 

BTW I am in a ton of pain...sitting here with ice and miserable still!  I can't even come close to putting my foot down to "pretend" to walk at all.  I can only get anywhere if I lift my leg off the ground to 0 weight bearing.  I took 2-7.5mgs over 2-hrs ago and my last steroid and it is still horrible.  Gotta get back to work!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: *Margaret on April 03, 2008, 08:31:32 PM
Farrah,

i am sorry that i upset you. like brianne and tayna said we CARE about you and we are not telling these things to make you upset. i hope you got my PM.

Margaret
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 03, 2008, 08:35:42 PM
Farrah,
you know you were telling me I need a post op diary - well maybe ill start a PRE op diary - that shows optimism eh????

saw my GP this evening, she gave me the name of another OS if I get nowhere tomorrow so at least theres a back up plan.

Did you hear anything back from your OS? I really feel for you, you must be ready to hack that darned leg off with a kitchen knife - or is it just me who goes crazy that way?

I shall sign off for now - sending you the good vibes, Ill fill you in tomorrow on my OS appointment - yikes! he better do something or itll be crutch up the ass for him!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 04, 2008, 02:34:08 AM
I am not upset anymore...it was never a single person's post anyway, it was just from being tired, stressed, frustrated, and in pain.  It got the best of me in the middle of the night last night. 

I called my PA on the way home today, and now I have a cortisone injection on Monday around 9:30am at my OS's office.  He made some time for me after his hospital rounds.  I have off from gymnastics tomorrow and all next week b/c of my knee and a sincere concern from my gymnastics coaching boss that I need a break (we had a talk tonight).  So we'll see how next week goes.  Meanwile, still no PT scheduled.  Maybe next week if the injection goes well. 

OH...my PA said I'd be fine working next week b/c my knee will be numb from the injection at least on Monday.  I was considering at least taking that day off, but now I am thinking not to.  I am going to go ahead and ask off from work on Monday and see how it goes afterwards.  I will prepare them for any other days off from soreness if it is bothersome...it wouldn't hurt to rest extra!  Have a good night. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: chromolume7 on April 04, 2008, 02:52:33 AM
Farrah,

Everybody has a different reaction to the cortisone, but just to let you know (so you can plan), all the times I had cortisone shots, the numbness wore off in about 12 hours.  It was replaced with pain from the shot itself (at the time, that was such a vast improvement over the pain levels I was experiencing that I was practically grinning ear to ear).

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the shot helps - you've been in far too much pain for far too long.

-Lauren
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on April 04, 2008, 03:45:46 AM
farrah...sorry i missed all of the posts this week. Im sorry the steroids didnt work..i hope the injection helps.  i know how frustrated you are. and....Im like you....1 hour commute...really cant take off work....well...."could" take off work but with great great great strain.  I have about 4 gel frozen bags in the freezer. on my way to work...i take two.....i put one on my knee and take a hand towel and wrap it around my knee nad under my thigh to hold the bag in place....about half way to work...it thaws...i put the other frozen one on my knee.....on the way home same thing...it helps quite a bit.  I also drive with my seat back to let my knee NOT bend much...not sure i understand how being up close helps......but i dont know your knee or height requirements.  I do think that if you need to keep working then you can dump the coaching for a while. I know it is sitting...but it is not rest and it is not elevation.  And....not to be the bad guy....but.....you can read back your posts for the past months....you really have only stayed home on the weekend maybe the past two or so....other than that you have been quite busy with all the family stuff.......dont feel bad for laying around. i know your husband gives you a hard time for it...but tough..he is married to you so he just has to live with it!!!   ;D   I hope that the shot helps you on monday and that you can rest all weekend.   Im so sorry you continue to be in so much pain.   

laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 04, 2008, 04:06:42 AM
Laura...welcome back!! 

Okay...so several of you have asked about my driving conditions and why I put the seat up.  I am 5'-1" tall.  If I push the seat back, then I have to use every leg muscle imaginable to get to the peddles and actually use them.  There is not way I can drive with my leg straight b/c I am too short.  So pushing the seat all the way up allows my leg to bend and use only my ankle.  The bend does get stiff after a long commute, but that is the only way I can do it.  I would love to keep it straighter and drive, but I am just too short. 

So I am off of gymnastics for 1.5 weeks and maybe off of work for the first of next week.  Depending on the cortisone shot, I may take at least 2-3 days off even if it is okay enough to walk....just an excuse to rest I guess.  I know it wouldn't hurt.  I think combination of the cortisone injection, rest, not driving, not coaching, and no PT will be great!!  So I know I gave ya'll a hard time about taking time off, but this is my compromise...I am thrilled with my decision and my attitude is back up again.  My dad gets cortisone shots in his knees and they work for him perfectly!!  So I can't wait for relief while doing PT again soon!  I can't wait to get my muscles back.  From the lack of weight bearing over the last few days, my surgery muscles have atrophied even worse!!  It is weird though that it hasn't given out much though...that's good!  Have a great night again....not sleepy right now...too much on my mind!  Until Monday, I may just take the higher doses of vicodin just to get through the next few days instead of torchering myself again with the 7.5mgs....if the injection helps enough temporarily, then I can get rid of the meds soon!!!  Yahh!!!    Okay...time for bed now :(

Oh!  Slow weekend ahead of me.  I have to work on jewelry and then watch tennis on Sunday evening.  My team is in 2nd place!!!  They say they'd be first with me playing...yeah right!!  I can't think too far ahead b/c there is still a plan C waiting for me in case plan B (injection) doesn't work...since Plan A failed, you never know I guess. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on April 04, 2008, 04:10:44 AM
Farrah......you dont 'have' to watch tennis.....that mght keep you out of your car and on your couch wiht your leg in the air on ice??

just a suggestion.  :-) have and want are tricky words.....you have to eat, drink, sleep, etc....you 'want" to watch tennis....but...since you want to eventually PLAY tennis maybe you should make your pretty jewelry ALL weekend instead!  ;D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 04, 2008, 04:18:22 AM
Haha!!  It would just make me more depressed to stay at home all weekend than to at least get out once!!  Maybe my husband can take me!!  Will that be better? :)  I am in such a good mood now b/c my OS is actually following through to Plan B..I was worried they would skip it and send me away to PM.  Yes...still in pain, but so much more positive now!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: *Margaret on April 04, 2008, 04:20:43 AM
farrah

i am glad you have a plan, that will hopefully works. i am also glad you are in a better mood.

margaret
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: sterns on April 04, 2008, 05:56:01 AM
Farrah,

Look at the first few pages of mine. Even with what I have been through and what I am going through now, you sound like you are taking way too many pills and the one problem is that the more you take the less they will work on taking the pain away. I have not read everything, but maybe you should really give some thought to relaxing more and just taking care of yourself. Slowing down and resting your leg with ice will do wonders, but you might want to ask if there are other meds, not narcotics, that may help with the pain. Do not count on cortisone either, for this form of surgery it will probably have no or very little effect. The more you try to do, the worse or harder it will be to improve and the last thing you want is for this to go on longer than you had hoped and to develop residual issues, especially with your posture.

Saul
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on April 04, 2008, 08:19:40 AM
Hi Farrah,
I'v just managed to catch up with your posts. I really hope i didn't upets you about taking time off. I know it can be hard for some people... I definatel was for us.. if you remember back to my diary me and Paul were always arguing and very stressed about money and i got back to work as soon as i could. But i was really lucky with my recovery and *touch wood* it'll stay that way. I am just so frustrated for you. Not frustrate with reading about it, I just put myself in your posiiton and onder how i would cope. It's awful.

I am really glad they are going to try plan B. It's terrible that the stroids didn't work. My step dad is on the same sort of scheme with them at the moment for an ulcer in his stomach. He started on 5 and day and then gradually knocked one off everyweek and now he's on 2 a day and they seem to have helped the pain (although he has a rather large bald patch now and we take the mick out of him :) )

I suppose that what you have that alot of us don't is a hell of a lot of determination. I admire your ability to get up and go to coaching and watch everyone running around, i couldn't do it.

I really hope that this next stage works and if not then hopefully pain management. I know you're knot keen on the idea, but you need to think of it as pain management is what they do and what you need so really it's a good idea.

Hope you are well otherwise.

Gemma

xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 04, 2008, 02:55:51 PM
Farrah,

    It sounds like you are at least now on a set plan.  Sorry the steroids didnt work.  I have never hear of taking oral steroids for pain.  That is something new for me.  I have had a cortizone shot before.  It helps.  It helped me at the time.  I havent had one in over 10 years so I can't remember how long it lasted but it gave relief and that is what I remember.  I hope it helps get the pain in control for you.  Taking a few days off may be a good thing for you to do.  I know it has to be hard because your knee is affecting your job and is effecting your coaching. 
   I am glad you talked to your gym. boss.  I know you love coaching and giving it up even if its for a few days has got to be tough.  I would hate to have to give up a passion in my life but a few extra days of resting and laying on the couch may help.  It's good that you are letting people know what you need. 
   I agree with Gemma, you are a tough cookie!  You have endured a lot and no matter what is said you are the one dealing with your pain.  I wish I had enough knowledge to give you more ideas to try.  Its good that the team you are working with is taking notice to what is going on.  You said in an ealier post you hate MRIs they arent cheap by no means but I wonder if it wouldnt be a good idea to get more extensive images rather thant he xrays to make sure your OS did take care of everything  when he was in there. 
   You are two weeks ahead of me and yes I have pain but its not my surgery knee I am dealing with when it comes to pain.  My is arthritis in my feet and my other knee.  I am dealing with swelling inmy surgery knee and foot usually when I have done too much I guess.  Not sure why I am still having so much swelling this lat out (10.5 w po) .
    I do understand the husband thing.  Mine thinks that since I am now up and walking without crutches in the house that he no longers needs to help as much.  He still helps with our dog and doing laundry because I can't get down the steps without difficulty.  BUt if I tell him I just can't do something he asks me when I am going to get back to my normal self.  Which aggrivates me...I have to remind him and myself I have only been walking FWB for 2 weeks.   All well in time things will get back to normal if not then to a new normal.
   Hope you have a good relaxing weekend!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 04, 2008, 06:28:39 PM
First, for my knee...anything that I thought was feeling the slightest bit better from steroids or rest is 100% gone today and back to where I was 1-2 weeks ago.  I can't extend at all or move around.  It really sucks when you rest your foot on the ground and just want to lift it to put it up on something 2ft off the ground, and it hurts like crazy!  For 2-3 days I felt a small difference in the sharpness and intensity of the extension pain and moving from the floor to a stool or something.   Don't get me wrong, I still had it, but I noticed a small difference...it is all back to normal now though :(  I still have positive thoughts on the cortisone shot helping me.  I am kind of counting on it.  I am back on 2-10mgs of vicodin until Monday!  If the the shot doesn't help, then I will get back down to 7.5mgs...until then, there is no reason to suffer. 

Second, I really appreciate everyone's caring words!!  I don't think I am tough at all!  I try to be, but there is way worse out there.  Pain definitely sucks and can control your life.  I am sooooooooo excited about having off from coaching and maybe a few days of architecture work next week.  I have a wide open weekend of rest and jewelry making ahead of me! 

It took me the full lunch hour to read through everyone's posts on their own diaries!!  Everyone has a lot going on right now! 

Laura, I hope you feel better soon and find more positives to think about!

Tanya, so sorry about your OS apt!!

Melissa, I hope the swelling goes down for you soon!

Gemma, sounds like you are doing great! 

Saul, good luck with all of your PT that you have going on!!  People say I am tough...yeah right compared to you!! 

Have a good Friday everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 05, 2008, 03:36:33 AM
Hello all...there has been a lot to read on everyone's posts lately!!  I hope it gets better for everyone!   

Have a good weekend!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on April 05, 2008, 08:28:23 AM
There has been a lot to read today!!!

How are you?
xxx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 05, 2008, 02:58:43 PM
Okay, it is Saturday mid-morning, and I can't wait for Monday's hopefully pain relief...this just sucks!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 06, 2008, 02:09:57 AM
Not feeling well at all.  I have been resting all day long...literally on the couch and on a dining room chair working on my jewelry with my leg up on another chair...resting all day long.  Why can't the pain just go away?  I have been on 2-10mgs of vicodin all day long and has helped, but not enough right now.  It has only been 3.5 hrs since my last dose!  I know you are tired of hearing my pain complaints and I am tired of typing them.  I am currently waiting for my husband to bring some dinner home since he had a mexican craving...so I told him I wasn't going anywhere, so he went to pick some up.  He also wanted me to go to a party tonight....I said no way!  So he is going without me since sitting here at home is so boring for him.  I don't need him sitting here feeling bad for me, so he can go.  It doesn't bother me.  It is just a bunch of his car buddies hanging out....boring for me! 

Tomorrow I will be resting all day also.  I plan to go watch tennis, but it is a home match so the drive is 5 minutes away.  I will also have chairs to sit in and put my leg up in.  I may take my TENS unit tomorrow...I am about to hook myself up to it right now actually.  Well I just finished icing and I was thinking about doing my PT exercises later, but I realized that my knee always hurts worse after doing them (not just a little bit, but to the point of no sleep).  Since I am not feeling well right now, I may just skip them.  I hate doing that b/c I feel like it will not help my recovery by skipping them.  For now, I don't care until after my cortisone shot.  Hopefully that will solve all my knee problems with my right one.  I have my fingers and toes crossed tightly.  I just love the idea that I may be off crutches next week!!  It couldn't have better timing b/c I just got my crutch covers in the mail today!  The rubbery padding was irritating my skin during days where I wore short sleeved shirts.  So now no more irritation.  Have a good night everyone!  :(  :'(

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on April 06, 2008, 05:37:28 AM
farrah....i hope the cortisone shot helps you...but it is not a cure....so....just dont get your hopes way way up.......when i had my cortisone shot in my knee it didnt help at all......just be careful planning all of the pain reduction around it...it may ease it..but im not sure it will be totally gone for you to be off crutches......hate to be the bad guy here....I hope your tens unit hellps you get some sleep.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 06, 2008, 06:10:13 AM
Hello Laura, I am aware that it may not help (thanks for the warning :) ).  I have had 3 unsuccessful ones in my back, but I have good hopes for this one!  I really really hope it works though.  I know there is nothing wrong with it, but I really don't want to go to pain management.  I just don't want to have to go to a whole other doctor to deal with this.  It would be nice if the cortisone helps so I can get through it all with my current doctor and PT.  I know it isn't a permanent solution, but I understand that it can temporarily make my pain go away enough to get through more strengthening to hopefully fix it all.  We'll see.  It is just after 1am, and I am not even close to being sleepy and my knee still hurts.  UGH.  My sweet dogs are both laying on top of me sleeping. They are so cute when they are sleeping curled in a ball!  Anyway, bye for now. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 06, 2008, 11:19:00 AM
Hi Farrah,
How are you today?
Im mentally in a better place than I was - my OS sure managed to plant seeds of doubt in my mind that maybe Im crazy or imagining things......
My boyfriend says to just wait and see what 3 more consultations say. So thats what Ill do - if they all say 'weak quads more physio' ill accept that.

i hope you are not in so much pain today - i hope the cortisone shot helps. i did the same last night, send my boyfriend to a party instead of going myself - more cos i was down mentally than physically though.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 06, 2008, 04:44:36 PM
Tanya, we all know you are not crazy...so don't worry about it!!  Obviously if your knee discloates, you have a problem...that is not normal!  I HOpe your 3 consults go well and you get some good advice on what to do next!  That's great that you were able to make 3 apts so quickly!  When are they all?  I know one is on Tuesday...good luck with that!

As for me, knee still hurts.  I woke up really really late this morning (11am), so the meds are trying to catch up with my pain.  I will be leaving shortly go to watch tennis.  I will have my TENS unit on today to help control the pain.  I will be sitting the entire time with my leg up at tennis.  I can't wait for tomorrow's OS apt!!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: sterns on April 07, 2008, 12:49:09 AM
Farrah,


Right there with you, I more than understand  :-*


Saul
 ;D

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on April 07, 2008, 03:30:54 AM
good luck for you tomorrow! i hope it gives you some days without pain...you deserve it......
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on April 07, 2008, 07:56:27 AM
Good Luck Farrah, I'll be thinking of you while i'm at work... again!!! Im so tired, I think i might have taken on a bit too much too soon and i'm paying for it in my knee :(  Although saying that, I still don't do half the amount that you do!!! xxx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 07, 2008, 09:18:51 AM
Good Luck Farrah!!!

Please tell us what the OS says!!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 07, 2008, 04:35:11 PM
Hello everyone...so I have had a long morning...lots to say here, but I will make it short and sweet.  So ultimately it was a succsesful morning.  I went to work to work for 2.5hrs before leaving for the OS.  I got there in lots of pain and the PA told them to expect me.  So I crutched to the back where he met me and put me right in the room and was all set up for the injection...very informal appointment.  Before I got in the room, the PA looked so pathetically at me and shook his head...he hated that I was still on the crutches...so I made my comment, "do you tihkn I like this?"  He then said, "I really hope this works for you, Farrah."  "me too!"  So he did the injection which didn't hurt but a small amount during the numbing shot.  He kept warning me of what I'd feel through the entire procedure.  It really wasn't bad.  So when he was done, he made me rest for a while just to make sure I felt okay.  Then he told me to move around and make sure it felt okay.  I felt nothing!!!  Then he said to walk!!  I got off the table and asked...with or without crutches?  He said whatever.  So I did without crutches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I walked 3-4 steps and was just ecstatic!!!!!!  I wanted to cry!!  So he said to baby it for 24hrs and ice ASAP.  He said give him a call in 2 days to let him know how it feels.  If it is good, then I will be back in PT maybe at the end of the week.  So on my way out, I passed a nurse who said, "didn't I just see you limp in here on crutches?"  I was walking out holding them!!!!  So funny and awesome!  So then I decided to stop by PT before leaving.  So I said hello to the technician and he was so happy for me.  Then I saw my PT!  She looked at me not knowing I had the injection and said, "what happened?"  I said I had a steroid shot!  She was so happy for me to be so excited and walking without crutches.  She gave me a hug and said how happy she was for me.  So then I left and kept walking slowly and "normally."  I got into the car, made a few exciting phone calls and was on my way home to take the rest of the day off.  Well unfortunately, on my way home, some of the pain started coming back as expected.  So my "high" wore off.  I didn't think the numbing stuff would start to wear off that fast!!  I am sitting here after already icing for 20 minutes and it still feels okay.  I can still kind of walk and move in some ways that I couldn't this morning, but I can still feel a slight amount of pain.  Don't worry, I am well prepared for 100% of it to come back by the end of the day.  I also prepared my office for me not to make it tomorrow just in case the soreness is bad.  I want to be very careful and do everything in my power to make sure that this injection works for me.  Anyway, I had a long morning...I was happy it was quick though....I pulled in to the OS parking deck around 9:50am and walked out around 10:40am.  So it was fast!!  I was so thankful for them to fit me in like that!!  Anyway, that is it for now.  I will keep you posted if this thing ends up working or not.  I will be chilling at home for the rest of the day!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: sailchic on April 07, 2008, 04:38:54 PM
Farrah-

I'm so happy that you at least have a little relief.  I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that this does the trick for a little while.  At least long enough that you can finally pressure them into figuring out what's actually wrong instead of having to convince them that it still hurts!

Enjoy your lower pain day!  I hope you get out and do something to pamper yourself.  You definetly deserve it.

Liz
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 07, 2008, 05:41:27 PM
Thats great news Farrah - I really hope it works for you for more than just today. What exactly does the steroid shot DO?
Im really pleased you had a good outcome from it.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 07, 2008, 05:46:48 PM
The steroid shot is suppose to take all the inflammation away!  So we'll see how it goes...I should know in 2 days if it worked or not.  Unfortunately I am already feeling the soreness just laying here.  A lot of the pain has already come back :(  Oh well...I will be patient for 2 days to hopefully get the relief back!  I was so happy today when it was numb and I could walk!!  I never thought I'd be so happy to walk!!!  I still had a limp out of habit, but I could do it without pain at least!!  I think I may go ahead and take some vicodin in a bit since the pain is starting to really hurt...it is soreness combined with my usual pain.  Well talk to you later!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 07, 2008, 05:52:40 PM
Well Farrah, perhaps the soreness of the shot itself is kicking in so ICE ICE BABY!!!!

In 2 days should you have no pain at all - if its gonna work?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 07, 2008, 05:55:43 PM
The soreness is the shot, so I will be icing all day long.  I already iced about 2hrs ago and about to do it again.  IF the shot helps, then I should have a huge decrease in the amount of pain if not 100% no pain.  Can't wait to find out if it helped!  The numbness this morning felt so great!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 07, 2008, 06:02:10 PM
wow - Im certainly rooting for you here Farrah!!!

You know you can ice for 15 mins with 20 min breaks - you dont have to wait 2 hours before doing it again - just make sure you have a towel or something in between your leg and the ice.

One would wonder why they didnt try the shot before eh????

I sure hope it helps BIG TIME!!!!!!!!

Ill wish for your shot to work if you wish for a better outcome for me when I see a different OS tomorrow - deal? (well ill wish for you anyway really!!)
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 07, 2008, 06:09:18 PM
Tanya, I definitely wish for a good outcome for you!!  I have been thinking about you and really really hope you can get fixed soon!!  You have an apt tomorrow...do you have others too?  Just curious! 

I know I can ice more often, I was just allowing my favorite ice pack to get freezing again.  I have multiple ice packs, but this one is my favorite.  It is the only one that really gets the cold all around my knee.  The ice feels so good on the soreness!  I still haven't taken the vicodin yet.  I really should, but I am hoping I don't need it...ya know? Anyway, back to icing :) 

I wish they would have tried the injection before...would have been nice!! 

So we will be thinking about each other for the next few days!  Good luck tomorrow!  Can't wait to hear how it goes!  Are you going to post it on your Prep Op diary once you find out info??  I hope so, b/c that is where I will be looking!  Talk later!  :)

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 07, 2008, 06:37:34 PM
Hi Farrah,
yes at the moment I have tomorrows appointment, then 12th May Im seeing a young hotshot surgeon who is on the team of the top knee man in the country, and also trying to get an appointment for the actual top man, but its so difficult to get an appointment with him, I could be waiting a year literally!!! And my boyfriends dad has also phoned up his hip surgeon who does knees also and told me if I get my GP to send a letter in I can get an appointment with him too - again it might be a long wait!!! Tomorrows appointment is kind of accidental but I just thought 'why not?'.
So if I get 3 new opinions I might be a bit more informed about what is actually going on - seeing as fridays guy wouldnt listen to anything I said so I couldnt even get to tell him about specific symptoms - and they are gonna re-read my MRI tomorrow also.
But if they all say the same I will have to accept that.

Some vodka with that ice maybe - good for pain :) All us regular icers could so easily become alcoholic if we went by that!!!

Yes Ill post on the Pre Op diary about tomorrows appointment! I re-typed my history to make it clearer and added in the most recent stuff about physio etc so I have that ready to bring with me.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 07, 2008, 09:18:38 PM
I don't know if this is related to the injection or if it is just a coincidence, but I am having severe back pain that is radiating down through both legs stopping right at my knees on both sides.  I took vicodin, but it hasn't helped that part.  My knee is still numb, but I can feel some of the pain and it is still crunching and popping when I move it...just doesn't hurt as bad.  My back pain (nerve pain?) is driving me crazy!  I am about to add heat to my back and maybe that will help.  I have also been icing my injection knee almost every 1hr for 20 minutes.  I am not feeling well at all you guys...I Hope it is just from the shot and all gets better.  I don't see how the shot could make my back hurt though.  I am sure I just need to be patient!  Anyway, later.

Farrah

Oh, and I feel so weak all over and shaky.  I can still walk though without that sharp sharp pain!  I hope that it lasts...anyway, off to heating my back.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 08, 2008, 01:20:05 AM
My back is still hurting and the numbness from the injection is wearing off slowly.  Now I can't do any of the motions that always hurt before this.  I could do some of them earlier today with hardly any pain at all.  Good news is that I still can walk without the pain getting worse like it used to.  I can't feel it on every step...only if I take too big of a step I can feel the slight sharpness!  So I just hope I am suppose to feel this way right now with my surgery knee and the injection.  I forgot to ask how the next 2 days will treat me before I know if it helps.  He just told me I'd know in 2 days.  WIth past cortisone injection experiences in my back, once the numbness wears off and the pain comes back, after a few days the steroid should start kicking in if it works...so I am praying for this "Plan B" to help!  I was so ecstatic with walking and moving around without much pain (1 on the pain scale) earlier!!  I hope it gets back to that by Wednesday from the steroids...not the anaesthetic (sp?). 

If anybody has had positive experiences with these injections, please tell me what I feel in my knee with the soreness and some of the pain coming back right now is normal since the numbness is wearing off!  All my back injections were unsuccessful...so I can't compare.  Thanks!

Farrah

If my back pain persists, I will not hesitate to take 1-2 percocet left from surgery since the vicodin today has not helped it at all.  My calf muscle foot actually went numb earlier in my left leg!  I didn't sleep at all last night after taking some tylenol PM, and need some pain relief tonight! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on April 08, 2008, 01:32:15 AM
Farrah,

 Be careful with what you do, it would be really easy to injure your knee right now and not feel it until later.  I did have some relief with steroid injections pre surgery, but the last one only lasted a couple of weeks.  The first one lasted quite a while, the 2nd one about 2 months, but the last one that didn't work was given by someone different.

After the novocaine wore off, it did take a couple of days before the pain relief really started.  Hope this works for you

Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 08, 2008, 01:36:48 AM
Okay, you made me feel more positive about the pain coming back.  It is just depressing since I was able to walk and move perfectly immediately after the injection.  I have been "babying" my knee as my PA calls it.  I have rested all day while icing on and off all day long.  I know I could cause more problems if I do too much right now.  I am being very very careful, and now I know that the pain is suppose to come back right about now.  I can't wait til it starts working!  I guess walking all day today around the house is maybe why my constant pain is so bad.  At least walking isn't make it feel worse step after step like this morning before this!  Thanks!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on April 08, 2008, 04:17:13 AM
Farrah,

I almost forgot to tell you that I have fibromyalgia, so that complicates any pain feelings.  It's partially a pain amplification syndrome, so sometimes I feel pain where someone else wouldn't. 

Considering how much pain walking has been lately, I would even be careful about walking around at this point.

Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 08, 2008, 09:29:36 AM
Farrah - how are you today? Any relief? Maybe your back is paining from stress and tensing up? Heat helps my back if it flares up.
How is your knee today? I actually woke up thinking about you :)
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 08, 2008, 01:36:49 PM
Good morning all.  Good news and bad.  Bad news first...I can't do anything again...the pain affects all movements that I couldn't do before the injection...in other words 90% of it is back and taking control again.  Hopefully the steroid helps it starting tonight or tomorrow.  Good news....I can still walk!!  As long as I don't take big steps and walk too fast, I can do it almost pain free!!!!  I can at least walk normally!! So that is good!! I will be so happy even if that is the only thing I get out of this.  I feel like the rest of my pain can help from PT.  I also think that walking will help strengthen the muscles!  So that is such good news!  I just wish I could move my leg when I am on the couch and such.  I still can't extend it from a bent position without tons of pain and grinding and crunching.  I can't slightly bend my knee standing on my one leg yet (one of my PT exercises that is on hold, but I wanted to see if I could do it).  I skipped all PT last night as part of "babying" my knee.  I took off work again today b/c I felt that driving in could potentially change the affects that I am having so far.  I don't want to risk not being able to walk again!!  As for my back pain, it isn't as bad today.  I have been using heat on it and it does feel good while it is on.  I will continue icing my knee today and heating my back.  I will be resting all day again today with hopes of more relief to come!  I am happy with my decision to take off work again today and rest.  I am proud of myself for actually taking care of myself.  I just can't handle this stuff anymore and am just ecstatic that I can walk!  Well have a good day everyone!

Tanya, good luck today!  Can't wait to hear about your OS apt today!

Diana, sorry you have fibromyalgia!  Sorry that causes so many unconrtollable problems in pain!! 

Thanks guys!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: brianne on April 08, 2008, 01:43:46 PM
Farrah,

Being able to walk is a HUGE start.  I had a lot of pain when moving in certain ways for a while with both of my surgeries.  I still have a lot of pain trying to extend my left leg or do SLR's.  Much of that is 'normal' or will settle down as everything has time to heal.  So being able to walk is a huge step.  Just remember, the more you can walk the more you will build up those muscles.

Brianne
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 08, 2008, 01:49:18 PM
I am so excited I can walk!!! 

Unfortunately I still have constant knee pain, but walking doesn't make it worse at all like it used to!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 08, 2008, 03:54:26 PM
Farrah - thats great news!!! The rest of the pain could easily be those inhibited quads and may well improve!!! Im so pleased you can walk pain free!!!
I have GREAT news about my appointment - going to post on my Pre Op diary - which now IS a Pre Op diary :)
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 08, 2008, 03:57:06 PM
Tanya, hurry up and post!  I can't wait to read it!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 08, 2008, 04:21:59 PM
took me ages to type it - there was a lot to say!!!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 08, 2008, 07:49:18 PM
Congrats, Tanya!!  YOu will have to start a post op diary after your scope!!  I hope you are feeling better about all of this!!

As for me, I went to lunch with my husband today.  Driving still hurts.  Once I get out of the car, I can walk off the pain.  After a few minutes, it goes away.  It used to just continue for hours...so that is good that it only last minutes now instead of hours!!  I can't wait to go back to work tomorrow and walk in without crutches!!  Of course, that will cause lots of questions from coworkers, but I will be prepared!!  I hope all this other pain goes away in the meantime.  I guess it could just all be from weak quads still from being on crutches for 3 months!  I will call my PA tomorrow and first ask him what he wanted the outcome to be and then let him know what I have felt from it.  I can honestly say that walking would be enough of an accomplishment, but the other pain still sucks.  I haven't take 2-10mgs of vicodin since 9:15am this morning and haven't needed it since!!  So that is another plus!  I hope I don't need it again!!  If not, I will get back on ultram ER tonight for my back pain.  I go see my back doctor in a few weeks, and I hope I will still be able to walk by then!!  I was worried about that!!  Anyway, have a good one everyone...still home resting after see my husband for lunch! 

OH!  I am 13 weeks PO today! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 08, 2008, 07:53:52 PM
Farrah - not only weak quads from being on crutches for 3 months - but weak quads from the inhibition after surgery, inhibition from all the pain you have had, and also not doing physio for a while - if your quads werent weak by now Id be VERY shocked - but hey - muscles can be built - just gotta sweat over them :)

And Happy 13 Weeks PO :)

that is so crazy that you can actually walk off the driving pain!!! Just goes to show - inflammation in the joint causes SO much pain!!!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on April 08, 2008, 10:07:24 PM
Farrah, Walking is just the start and it's a fantastic place to start to get your strength back... A little bit of relief is better than none at all right? I hope it continues as it is and starts to gett better rather tahn going back to how it was.

xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on April 08, 2008, 10:55:25 PM
Farrah,

Glad to hear there's a light at the end of the tunnel now.  As for the fibro, I've had it for 9 years now, and unless I get lucky in my lifetime, I know it won't go away, so I've learned to deal with it.



Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 09, 2008, 12:16:44 PM
Good morning all....

I just arrived to work after my 45 minute drive in.  I left extra early so I wouldn't have to drive so long in traffic.  Driving still hurts!  :(  I just got to work about 15 minutes ago and my knee still hurts.  I am sure it will go away over some time, but I hate that it is still like that.  I will be calling my doctor around lunch time today.  We'll see what is next with this.  I kind of hope I am back to PT.  I hope that walking is enough of an outcome to continue.  I still haven't taken vicodin since yesterday at 9:15am!  That was another goal with the injection is to get me off vicodin!!  So I will keep you all posted on what my doctor says next.  Thanks for everyone's support!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 09, 2008, 12:31:31 PM
you are doing brilliantly well!!! let us know what the doc says - i really hope you can get back to PT!!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 09, 2008, 03:07:40 PM
That is fantastic!  It stinks that you still have pain with driving...I do to.  No pain meds...that is a HUGE improvement!  Maybe since you havent had to take the vicodin and the pain is apparently manageable, maybe you could start small with any pain meds if you knee continues to bother you today.  Such as tylenol or advil.  That would be an improvement too.
   Hoping the pain subsides for you today.  Think ice...ice may help a little today too. Be careful with your new freedom to walk without crutches!  hoping for the best!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 09, 2008, 03:27:39 PM
Hello again :) 

I can still walk!  The pain from driving subsided a while back.  I think my knee is trying to get used to me walking b/c my screw site has been throbbing off and on this morning.  It's not really bad, but I can feel it.  No big deal though. 

I made a list to tell the PA what still bothers me and what doesn't:

Good things:  I can walk normally with no pain.  If I take too big of a step, that sharp pain is still there.
I don't have a lot of resting pain. 
Bad things: Can't drive, can't do an extension (sitting at my desk, still can't move from the bent knee with my foot on the floor to extend on to a stool under my desk), still can't do SLRs, step backwards, stairs, or stand with a slight bend in the knee.

As for meds, I am back on 1- 200mg of Ultram ER every night for my back pain.  Today my back is absolutely killing me!  :(

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 09, 2008, 05:43:25 PM
Hello for the 3rd time today!!  I am just too excited not to post on here all the time today! :) 

So I spoke with the PA a little bit ago.  I am going back to PT to help get over the other things that I can't do!!  He was very happy that I could walk and take less pain meds!!  So I am expecting a call soon from PT to schedule some apts!  He also told me to keep my April 17th apt to see my OS.  So I was happy about that too.  Anyway, I hope that this continues to work out for me!!  I am just thrilled.  I went from being so depressed and not able to walk to being so so so happy and able to walk!!  I am not 100%, but walking is enough for me to feel like it for now!!  I am kind of nervous going back to PT since the break has helped, but I will get through it!!  I feel like there will still be a lot of things that I can't do, but we'll figure it out!!  I hope all of you guys have a good day!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 09, 2008, 05:59:59 PM
yippee yippee yippee!!!!

If i was capable of dancing for joy I would dance for joy - I can do a sort of one legged shimmy of joy - will that do????
If I were a dog Id be wagging my tail and drooling with excitement!!!

Im so happy for you Farrah - you have been suffering that pain for way too long, you needed a break!!!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on April 09, 2008, 06:02:09 PM
Farrah,  I'm glad you are feeling better. Keep up with the resting you don't want to over do it and end up back where you started!!

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 09, 2008, 07:54:15 PM
Okay, so more good news!  I just called my PT's office to schedule apts!  They told me to take the rest of this week off to take it easy from just having the injection on Monday.  I have my next apt next week on Monday evening then my doctors apt and PT apt on Thursday.  After next week, my PT wants me to only come once a week!!!  YIIIPPPPYYY!!  She said as long as I can do my exercises at home, then I can do that!!  So I said heck yeah....sign me up!  So now I am scheduled all the way through May once a week on Wednesday nights!!  I am so excited!! 

I asked her if there are things that I can do that can cause my pain to come back...she said prolonged walking and standing can cause it again.  She said just to keep being careful.  So I am!!  I don't want it to come back!!  So I am so excited again today!!  Today has been just an awesome day!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 10, 2008, 12:25:33 AM
Okay, so a little on the depressed side again...I guess coming off my meds have put me in a good and bad mood all day long.  I am still happy I can walk, but the driving pain is really really really bad :(  I had to drive home today in just a little less traffic than usual b/c of spring break.  Well I had to make a stop at the grocery store to pick up a few things...in and out kind of stop.  Well once I parked and got out of my car the pain sucked so badly that I wanted to grab my crutches, but knew that I could just walk it off.  It took about 20 minutes for the pain to go away then I could walk again.  The pain was about #7!!!  I really really hope that driving doesn't bring all the consistent pain back!!  I really want to be careful and not give the cortisone any opportunity to wear off!  I am sitting here at home now and it still hurts!  It is a constant pain right now, but still not like it was before while walking.  So that's good. 

The other thing I am kind of sad about is that I can now tell even more how awful my left knee is!  I was leaving for lunch today and the accountant lady asked me when I was going to get my other knee fixed and she "joked" saying that I need to wait until the end of the year b/c of vacation and sick time!  I have already used all of it 3.5 months into the year!  Then I was thinking that if my OS did offer to fix it whenever I wanted, I would want it ASAP b/c it is getting worse all the time.  I also feel like while my mind is still in the mode of knee rehab and such, it would be a good idea.  I know it is too early to even consider it, but once I am better from my right one, I want to fix my left one.  I know that the left one is causing cartilage damage b/c it subluxes and rubs bone on bone all the time.  I don't want to risk needing an ACI like I almost needed in my right one from waiting so long to get it fixed.  So if I wait til the end of the year, who knows how it will be!!  So I'd give up all my sports through next fall if I can get it fixed in June or July!!  This is something I am going to talk to my OS about next week.  I know it is too early, but it is on my mind right now.  The pain is so bad in my left.  I still can't do stairs or anything with it.  I was thinking that now that my right one can be used to walk that maybe I can get back into sports soon, but then I realized how bad my left one is.  I can't play sports with it this way!  Sorry for being depressed again....

I also was thinking now that my PT only wants me in once a week after next week, does she think I am almost better??  Because she will see on MOnday, that I still can't do CRAP!  I can't move my leg at all while sitting!  I can't do stairs at all!  I can't accidentally take a huge step forward or even a small step backward!  I still can't do SLRs! I am going to get to PT on MOnday, and she is going to realize that I still can't do anything but walk!  I know walking is huge, but I have tried all the PT exercises that have given me problems, and I still can't even come close to doing them!   UGH!!  I should get off of here now.  I am making myself more depressed!   :'( :'( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on April 10, 2008, 01:10:46 AM
Please don't get depressed, you were doing so good being excited about walking again!  It's natural to want to be better immediately, and walking is a good "step" forward, but it sounds like you're expecting a miracle and since you can walk, everything else will be better. I'm just trying to be the voice of caution, not trying to put you down.

I'm one of the most impatient people in the world. I think the most impatient one is my boss 8).  But it seems like now you can start working on the rest,  it will come.

The PT thing may just be about trust to where they believe you will do what is necessary without having to be there.  I know a lot of mine is not going to be in the office because I have so few visits and we've already discussed this, there's no reason for me to sit in there office doing SLR's because I can do that at home. Of course that may all change once you get in there, you never know.

I am so happy for you that you are finally getting some relief.

Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 10, 2008, 02:00:25 AM
Diana, I greatly appreciate your post.  I know there are way worse situations out there that are on these boards.  I am impatient, and I know it.  I just really so badly want to do more than just walk right now!  I thought the cortisone shot would help more things.  It really sucks to hurt so bad to drive still!!  The pain that I experience after driving is so bad still!  It is so depressing...and now my PT may want to back me off to once a week??  I am completely okay with doing things at home, but I just feel like you back PT off if someone is doing better.  The only reason I can walk is because steroids were shot through my knee.  I hope not, but that could wear off anytime.  I am trying to be careful.  I just still have so many other issues.  I don't want to be let go until I can play sports again!!  I still need help until then.  I am sorry for acting like this again.  I just have too many things going through my head!

Positive note:  I can still walk and I am just ecstatic about that.  A smile hasn't really left my face since Monday's injection.  I am in the best mood I have been in in months!  My husband says I am awesomely happy right now...and I am.  I just have so many things to still work through.  I don't want people saying...oh, she can walk now...now she can coach gymnastics standing up, move equipment, cook dinners, walk the dogs, etc.  I have a long way to go, and I understand that.  I just want to get to where I can play sports again.  That's not too much to ask.  The end of the tennis season is quickly approaching and I am realizing that it is just not going to happen this season :(  This girl on my team just had wrist surgery and she will be back in only 3 weeks!!!!  Sorry for being depressed again...I really am just ecstatic that I can walk!  It is an amazing accomplishment that technology could help with!!  Please don't get me wrong, I am very very happy!  I just have a long way to go still!  Thanks for all the support. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 10, 2008, 09:02:16 AM
Hi Farrah,
You dont need to physically be in the PTs office to make progress at PT - you will have all your exercises to do at home. You will just need to go in for them to have a look at your progress once a week, if they feel youre not progressing properly then they will want to see you more. Its nothing to worry about - its stressful for people to have to make their way to PT only for PT to see them and say 'yes youre doing fine, see you next time' - a lot of the time PT is just about getting your head down and physically doing the exercises and it doesnt matter if that means doing them at home or in front of a physiotherapist or wherever. They just have to get done. I have never seen a PT more than once a week except once when I had my cast removed after surgery - then I saw someone every day for 1 week - then back to once a week. So dont worry about it - PT is about doing the exercises.

When you see your OS next week ask about the pain from driving - I wonder is there any adjustment you can make to the seat? Do you think its just from the sitting itself or is it from the actual driving - would you have that much pain as a passenger with the passenger seat in the same position as the drivers seat? Try and figure out exactly whats causing it and maybe you can find some way around it?

Its awesome you are still able to walk - really amazing!!! Youre doing great - stop worrying about things.

About your left - tell your OS your fears - Im sure he will want your right to come good before tackling the left.
xx
Tanya

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 10, 2008, 11:21:54 AM
Thanks for your post tanya.  I am feeling better mentally this morning.  I am not thinking about so many things today.  I will focus on being able to walk and deal with PT as it comes on Monday.  I know I can stuff at home, but I do a lot of stuff at PT that I can't do at home.  That is my concern.  I am afraid my PT thinks that I will not need to do those things anymore b/c I can walk now.  We'll see how it goes.  I just know I have a long long way to go.  I don't want to go to work this morning just b/c of the drive!!  I am thinking of taking Laura's (austinknee) old suggestion of using ice packs on the way in.  That may help.  Sometimes when I ride as a passenger I get the same problems.  I will figure it out. 

Unfortunately I woke up several times overnight b/c of my knee.  It still hurts to move it...so that is why I still can't sleep sometimes.  I haven't had a full night's sleep in so long!  UGH!  Anyway, off to shower and get ready for work!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 10, 2008, 11:25:58 AM
Hey Farrah,
what things do you do in PT that you cant do at home? As a 20 year veteran of many different PT sessions and protocols Ive found ways around a lot of PT stuff that allows me to do it at home. You have to think like Rocky Balboa - if you dont have the expensive machinery then run up and down mountains with tins of beans :)
At the end of the day its only muscle exercise, there is nearly always a way you can do things without specialised equipment.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 10, 2008, 01:10:37 PM
I just got to work after icing much of the way here.  It helped a tiny bit of the driving pain, but I still had trouble walking to my office.  It still hurts and I can't move my leg hardly at all.  Since I already iced, I am going to try my TENs unit now to alleviate some of the pain.  After that, I am going to use a lidoderm patch so that I can move my leg some today.  :(  At least I can still walk.  I wish all this other pain would go away! I am trying hard not to take any more narcotics ever!!  I will use my TENS and lidoderm patches as much as I have to to prevent taking meds. 

As for things to do at PT that can't be done at home....they do the soft tissue massage to loosen everything up, muscle stimulation on the exercises that hurt, the underwater treadmill to help with normal gait, and a few other things.  I know I still need the muscle stimulation at least...I can probably do without the treadmill now....although once a week on that is probably enough.  So I know I can handle doing stuff at home.  I just don't want to prolong recovery. I am fine with this....we'll see how it goes on Monday.  I am really happy to only go once a week!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 10, 2008, 01:48:28 PM
ok - you can train your husband to do some of the soft tissue massage - you can also do some of that yourself.
ask them about renting an e-stim - i have a VERY fancy one, I bought it, but they are rentable - if you ask in PT they will tell you how.
Treadmill (underwater sounds cool!!) - you are so right - you will easily only need that once a week - now youre walking that will become obsolete for you.
None of those thing would stop you progressing, progress will be measured by building up those muscles and training them when to fire etc... and Farrah you used to be an athlete so guess what? Youve go 'muscle memory' - so you will be fine at home.

Where are you getting the driving pain?



Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 10, 2008, 02:01:21 PM
My driving pain is all around my knee cap and under it.  Once I get to wherever I am going, I can't walk for about 20 minutes.  I also have some resting pain aftewards for a while.  I am hooked to my TENS right now and am feeling much better.  I need to start wearing it while I drive!!  That would help!

I hope that all this pain I am still having is from muscle weakness!  I hope PT makes it all better!  I am glad that I can walk and that walking doesn't make it worse!  I am still taking it easy though!  I am not walking around too much or doing anything more than I was while still on crutches. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on April 10, 2008, 04:44:59 PM
Just a thought, but since the steroid shot did help some, could your pain be caused by inflammation?  Steriods help with inflammation, which in turn helps with the pain.  Maybe you could get a prescription NSAID to help instead of the narcotics. I had a really great one in the hospital, but I could only be on it for 1 week.

I would most definitely tell someone how much pain driving is causing though.  It could help them identify why you are having so much trouble still.

Keep your head up, it seems like it's going in the right direction!

Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 10, 2008, 05:01:53 PM
Hello Diana, you are probably right about taking an NSAId.  I have a prescription for one from my back doctor, but my knee doctor says I should stop taking it for long term use.  Maybe I will take it again for a week or so to see if it helps with all the other things.  Good idea!!  It is indocin that I can start again tonight then :)  I hope it helps with the rest of the iflammation!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 10, 2008, 09:38:34 PM
Okay, so I am in an enormous amount of constant pain right now!!  I have been resting at work most of the day and it is just killing me.  I can still walk without making it worse, but I feel horrible.  I want to cry b/c it is such a sharp pain and I really don’t want to take narcotics and I still have to drive home!   I have a lidoderm patch on right now and have had it on for a few hours, but it hasn’t given me any relief.  I may take it off and put my TENS back on :(  My resting pain is only a #5/6, but if I move, it is a #7/8!!  UGH!  Some of the pain is at my screw site!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 10, 2008, 10:24:32 PM
Okay, so my TENS has helped the resting pain, but I still can't move very well.  I am keeping my TENS on to drive home today.  Hopefully that pain will be okay on the way home.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 11, 2008, 12:57:01 AM
My knee is throbbing again!  My TENS is out of batteries.  I am recharging it right now.  I forgot to hook up the spares!  I may have to give in to the pain meds...this is just too much for me right now.  I am suppose to be without pain!  There is no reason for me to sit here and suffer.  My knee is also a little swollen today.  I am still being careful though....so I just don't understand this.  I just don't think my knee wants to be walked on!  The pain is all around and under my knee cap.  I can still walk, but I am starting to feel a little bit of sharp pain sometimes again.  I am still thinking positive that the cortisone is still helping b/c I can still walk with considerably less pain.  So enough of this crap...I am going to sit and ice and relax on the couch for the rest of the night now that I am home from work!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 11, 2008, 01:17:19 AM
Sorry to hear that you are in so much pain again.  Sounds to me like its the driving that is causing alot of it.  Too bad there is no way you can get a ride in.  Even if you were to drive part way and car pool.  Rest ice and if you need to do not deny yourself the meds.
melissa ;)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on April 11, 2008, 02:07:49 AM
im sorry farrah...i hoped to log back in today and see you doing better after your shot....im so sorry..i know you are so over this knee pain....i really feel bad for you....   :'(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 11, 2008, 02:10:17 AM
I can still walk :)  Just in pain with everything else :( 

Thanks for the caring!  I was posting on your diary while you were posting on mine!  It was nice to hear from you again!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 11, 2008, 09:23:26 AM
Well Farrah - at least you can still walk - next week you need to throttle your OS to find out whats going on - Im so sorry youre still hurting!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 11, 2008, 01:35:35 PM
Good morning...I am feeling much better today!  I still can't move around very well as far as extending and such while sitting at my desk and driving.  I took Diana's advice yesterday and took an NSAID (indocin) last night before bed. I still struggled all night when I moved, but I think it helped with driving this morning.  While driving today, I was very very careful not to move in any way that would hurt the slightest bit.  That means not lifting my foot off the ground or doing anextension or contracting my quads at all, etc.  So once I got to work, I could actually walk after taking only a few painful steps!!  Yesterday morning it took 20min, but today it only took 1!!  I don't know if it was from the indocin or from being careful.  No matter what, I am sitting at my desk feeling 100% fine as long as I don't move my leg!!  NO constant pain!  So hopefully this lasts today!  I am going to minimize my movement as much as possible today and through the weekend.  I will still walk, but not do things that hurt the slightest bit!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 11, 2008, 01:38:28 PM
Farrah - this is all good news. No constant pain is fantastic - i wouldnt worry about certain movements causing pain as you still have some way to go with physio and that will change so much of that - but walking, no constant pain sitting around is brilliant!!!

well done you!!! you must be so pleased - there is nothing like a bit of light at the end of the tunnel!!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 11, 2008, 02:06:59 PM
I also have decided that if it does hurt, then I am going to just keep thinking positive knowing it will eventually go away.  I have a long list of questions concerning my future progress with this knee and my other knee.  My husband and I have decided that I can't get my left knee fixed until the end of the year...which means problems with sports until then.  So I want to ask my OS about a new knee brace for that leg since I don't have one at all b/c we have always focused on my right knee.  I wish I could just not think about it, but I can't do anything with that knee.  It hurts when I step on it, do stairs, or get in and out of a chair, etc.  It crunches and grinds in lots of pain.  So I know that one is in bad shape, but I just don't have time to fix it yet.

So I am putting away the narcotics and only taking Ultram ER and incodin for a few days!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 11, 2008, 03:41:34 PM
Diana, you are my savior right now!!  I am feeling so good today and I am pretty sure it is from my NSAID that I took last night!  I have realized that my knee isn't as sensitive to movement today and I know it is from the anti-inflammatory!!  I am still being careful, but usually by now I feel horrible!  So thanks for the idea yesterday!!

I know my emotions have been up and down lately, but I am  ;D ;D ;D ;D  right now :) 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 11, 2008, 05:13:27 PM
your emotions??!!!!???? my emotions have been CCCRAZY lately!!!
Friday - down felt like a crazy person
Saturday - up, got a new appointment
Sunday - down worrying about new appointment
Monday - down worrying again!!
Tuesday - UP - a surgeon who wants to help!!
Wednesday - up up up
Thursday - down down with worry and impatience
Friday - up again, got date for scope - 22 may!

yaaay - its normal to be up and down when youre one of the dodgy knee team!!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 11, 2008, 05:33:18 PM
That's great that you have a date!!!  Congrats!!  I hope you don't go crazy waiting for it to come around!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on April 11, 2008, 07:43:22 PM
You're welcome Farrah, it's upsetting to see someone in so much pain and not be able to do anything about it.  Now it's my turn.  Not so much with the knee unless I'm on the CPM, but with my back.

Nothing seems to be working for it, and it just feels like someone is stabbing me over and over when I lean back, or try to lay on my back.  I can't even get on the CPM today because of it. Funny thing is that narcotics have never helped with my back, not even morphine.


Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 11, 2008, 09:10:06 PM
Okay, so out of no where, my knee started hurting again...still can walk though.  I figured it was from the anti-inflammatory wearing off.  It hurt while driving and once I got home I couldn't walk completely painless again.  So I am home icing right now and about to take another indocin.  If I feel better in 2-3 hrs or maybe longer, then I know it is from the NSAID!  So I will report back tonight.  I hope it works b/c I am feeling horrible!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on April 11, 2008, 09:23:36 PM
I am crossing my fingers for you farrah.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 12, 2008, 01:55:01 AM
Gemma, I think crossing your fingers may have helped :)  Thanks!  I hope you felt okay today!  I know you have been struggling with some pain lately!  Let me know how you are doing! 

While out at dinner with my husband, the medicine finally started to help.  It still hurts, but not nearly as much!!  So I can relax now without as much pain!  I am about to ice for the 4th or 5th time today!!  The walking sharp pain has subsided again.  I just never realized how much pain iflammation can cause!!  Should I talk to my OS about it all?   

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 12, 2008, 03:10:12 AM
YES!!! Your OS can prescrib pharmacy strength nsaids that are better than the over the counter.  I just use Aleve but have had a prescrip and it worked much better.  I plan to ask for one next week...see if it will help my inflammation in the other knee better.  Aleve works but the recommended dose is one pill or two for the first time and i have to have two for it to help.
   Busy today...took the kids to the store...i hate shopping with the kids but had no choice.  lots of errans, jumping in and out of the car....ugh!  My knee was screaming so was the other one.  Better now but i have to do my PT...
  I did see a huge improvement with taking the same amount of time to ice as I take to ride the bike or do PT.  Plus I put my foot way in the air definately abocve my heart and that seemed to do much better for the swelling.  Guess I havent had it high enough.
   Hope you have a pain free as possible weekend...I am nervous about the MRI that is scheduled.  I can not handle the idea of a huge surgery...hoping it is "just" torn cartilege.  Really dont want another invasive surgery.
talk later
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 12, 2008, 03:59:01 PM
Good morning! 

Melissa, I Hope you are feeling okay today after your busy day yesterday!!  I hope your swelling is better today!! 

As for me, I am doing okay this morning.  Just the usual pain with movements and such.  I don't have any constant pain right now, so that's good.  Still walking well.  I have a slack day ahead of me until tonight when I go to my Mother-in-law's for my sister-in-law's birthday celebration.  They wanted to go roller skating!!!!  My husband had to remind them that I can't do that, so I don't know what the plan is now.  Anyway, I hope everyone has a good day today!

Farrah 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 13, 2008, 12:38:04 AM
Farrah

   Actually i was surprised this morning to truely see my ankle and could actually feel the bones in my foot...Haven't been able to do that in the past few weeks.  So that I am happy about.  I am finding that even though I was elevating and icing it wasn't enough compared to the activity I was doing.  I am walking better every day.  In fact today I havent taken any pain meds at all.  Not even my aleve for the arthritis.  Just forgot and havent needed it. 
   Today was super busy.  Had laundry to do, cleaned out the ferret and rabbit cage, as well as rearranged and changed out beds for the kids.  All standing on my feet and amazingly the swelling is not bad.  I still have PT to do and riding my bike.  Then I will lay on the couch and elevate and ice.  I am encouraged I was able to do all that standing for a few hours without being in terrible pain.
   Although all the lifting about killed my back so I may take some tylenol before hitting the bike just to ease the back pain.
   Hope you have a fun night tonight.  Skating...my kids love it, I was never good at it I have terrible balance, but I do have fond memories of going to the skate rink when I was a teen. Fun times even if I spent more time on my butt than on my wheels!

Have fun!
Melissa :D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 13, 2008, 04:39:39 AM
Didn't go skating...went put-put golfing instead....UGH!  I am in a lot of pain right now despite taking 2-10mgs of vicodin before going golfing. I didn't want to go, but my sister-in-law changed the plans from skating to golfing for me since she knew I couldn't go skating.  :(  So I couldn't say no to that as well.  So I will be in pain :(  I am icing now and will be taking my other meds shortly.  I hate the narcotics, but tylenol and other mild crap doesn't help me...EVER! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 13, 2008, 04:32:23 PM
I am feeling good again today despite last night's events!!   I am so surprised at that.  I guess I don't need to say this anymore, but I still can't move around very well while sitting or laying down, but I can walk.  As long as I can walk, I know I will get better.  Last night I did have some issues with walking, but it was just from doing so much I guess.  Today I am going to watch tennis again!  I am going to show off walking crutchless since they haven't seen me do that yet!!!  I am so excited!  I hope they don't think I will be ready to play yet!  So far from it!  UGH! :(  Anyway, I hope everyone has a good day.  I am hoping not to have to take any narcotics today. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 14, 2008, 02:40:03 AM
Nearing the end of the night and I haven't had to think about my knee hardly at all today!!  I had a few wrong steps and some giving out, but generally had a great knee day!!  I can't wait til I can do things like run a few steps (like in a rain storm running to my car), stairs, move my leg around in bed or sitting in a chair, etc!  I just can't wait to do those little things!  Tonight I went out to dinner with my husband and on the way out to the car it was very cold and we wanted to run to the car, but I couldn't :(  Oh well...I will get there!  I have come a long way in a week!  I know it is from the injection, but I am still happy...I showed off walking at the tennis matches today!  The ladies were so happy for me and all asked what was next with my knee.  Surprisingly none of the asked when I was getting back on the court...they all knew I had a long way to go.  When I'd bring it up they'd joke and say I need a doctors note....I'd just say Just Kidding and it will still be a while.  Oh well.  I hope everyone else is doing well!!  Have a good night!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 14, 2008, 09:06:43 AM
Farrah - i think you are over the hump in the road and well on your way to full recovery!!! yaaaaaaaa!!!!
xxx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 14, 2008, 05:44:45 PM
Good afternoon,

I guess this is getting boring, but I am still doing well.  I even had to stand at work for 2 hrs and felt some discomfort for a while, but it is already gone!  I know that it is b/c of the indocin that is helping me so much!  Anyway, I have PT tonight at 6pm and will post again after that.  I am very nervous about it.  I don't have any idea what to expect.  I hope I do much of the same stuff b/c they didn't bother me too much.  I am very afraid of her trying new things that I am not ready for.  I hope I don't have to do the water treadmill anymore!  Thursday is my OS apt and my PT apt....my PT is not there that day, so I have to see my old PT that has been helping me a little bit from the side.  He was my PT a few years ago, so we have kept in touch.  I am curiuos to see how this entire PT/OS week goes!  Will keep everyone posted :)

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on April 14, 2008, 06:04:16 PM
Farrah it sounds like you're finally making some realy progress... It's so nice to hear that yo're finally on the road to recovery. How is your pain now? Do you still get a lot of pain after driving?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 14, 2008, 06:19:01 PM
Since I have been taking indocin, I have been feeling okay with driving!  I still have to be careful how I move while in the car, but I can do it which hardly any pain!

So I am kind of pissed right now!  >:( >:( My PT for tonight was cancelled for a scheduling problem...some of the PTs were sick and they cancelled me!!!  My PT wasn't sick, but I guess she is filling in for "more important" patients!  She didn't say that, but I know that is what it is!  I guess I don't matter anymore!  So I called and left a message that I got their message.  I told my PT to call me back so I can ask her some questions.  She realizes that she will not be around for my PT apt with my OS on Thursday!  So this makes me mad.  I will not go at all until Thursday!  They will not know what I can do now or anything!  I will be with the sub PT (my old PT) who doesn't know anything about me anymore! I am pissed!!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 14, 2008, 07:12:43 PM
Okay, not pissed anymore :)  My PT called and I asked her all my questions.  She realized she did need to see me before Thursday's OS apt.  SO I go tomorrow at 12pm!! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 14, 2008, 08:42:17 PM
Hi Farrah,
I was checking in to see how your PT went - but I see it didnt happen!!! But its happening tomorrow!!
Hey I was just thinking - did you think a couple of weeks ago that you would have come so far since your cortisone shot!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 14, 2008, 09:30:13 PM
Tanya, I’d probably still be crutches if it wasn’t for the cortisone shot!!  I wasn’t getting anywhere!!  Thanks for checking in!

When I spoke with my PT this afternoon, I asked her what I’d be working on Thursday with the sub PT (my old PT).  I first told her I still couldn’t do things like an SLR or extensions, etc.  She understood that and said I still have a lot to work on and we’d take it slow.  She told me to stop doing that stuff and to keep taking it easy.  For Thursday’s PT she said we’d work on mainly the same stuff and we’d try things like squats and leg press.  I wasn’t happy to hear that, but that is when she stopped me and looked at her schedule to fit me in for tomorrow.  She realized that we do need to figure out what I can do for Thursday’s PT with the sub and my OS apt.  So I was relieved about that!  I told her I felt much better to be able to see her tomorrow.  She told me to also be prepared for the water treadmill.  So I am happy.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 14, 2008, 09:41:45 PM
Farrah

 At least you get to see the PT!  I am on my own for another month!  My home health PT released me two weeks ago and I was not given a new prescription for outpatient PT because I am not to do anything new.  SO I do my PT exercises daily, ride the bike and have to wait.  My OS doesn't want me to do any weight resistance till I see him again in May.  Granted I saw the PA so I thought just mybe I could call and find out.  They called me back and said no new prescript.  SO I will wait.  Till then I have just increased the reps of each exercise and increase the biking. 
  Honestly my PT said there wasn't must more for me to do but increase the strength and until I get a prescript for that I can do anything.  That all may change anyway depending on the other knee and the MRI.  I may have to start completely over when it comes to the biking. 
   I am getting around better without crutches.  I am using the cain when I go to places such as Super Walmart still just because of still feeling a bit unsteady but not bad.  The stiffness is what bothers me the most.  Do you still have that stiffness too?
   Glad you will be able to see your PT.  I would have posted yesterday but my little girl spilt her drink on our wireless keyboard and my husbands laptop died yesterday around the same time!  What a day we had!
hope you have a good nite....glad the nsaids are working!  Had you not tried them before?
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 14, 2008, 10:14:34 PM
Melissa, I understand your frustrations with not going to PT.  That really sucks!  I couldn't imagine going through all of this without it!  This 2.5 weeks off I had were nice though.  I am jealous of you riding the bike though!  I tried it my first day at this PT and couldn't do it.  Since then I keep trying the motions now and then and still can't do it.  I am hopnig that I will be able to soon!  I hoped the cortisone would allow me to do more things like that, but not yet :(  I hope soon! 

I am glad you are getting around better crutchless!!  That is great!  Feels good, doesn't it?

As for the NSAIDs, my OS said not to take them b/c it prevents the bone from healing.  He also said that the one I am taking is not good for long term use.  That is the reason it was prescribed for me...for my back.  I don't care...if my back doctor gave it to me and checks my blood yearly, then I'm good.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: austinknee on April 15, 2008, 03:14:32 AM
farrah...wow..you have gone crutchless since i was last on ....congrats.

hope PT goes well tomorrow......sounds like you are doing so well with the combo of the steroid and the indocin....keep up the good work.

laura
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 15, 2008, 01:27:07 PM
Hey Laura, still crutchless :)  The indocin really helps.  I realized this morning that I forgot to take it last night.  I knew it as soon as I got in my car this morning...hurt all the way to work, and then hurt to walk afterwards.  I have some constant pain right, but it is completely tolerable...only about a #3!  Moving around is horrible today...so I will glue myself to my desk until PT at 12pm!  :( 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 15, 2008, 07:38:27 PM
Bad day to forget indocin :(  PT went well though. She was so happy that I was walking!!  Me too :)  When I got there, she wasn't there.  So she had the assistant put me on the bike.  I was nervous at first, but I did it!  It did start to hurt, but I continued.  Then My PT arrived and my PA was nearby.  She sent me over to a table and it happened to be where my PA was standing.  He asked me how I was feeling.  I told him good and I was still having issues with things.  They kept telling me my muscles will help make it all go away over time.  So she did some deep tissue massage on my leg.  Then we did my usual exercises.  After that we tried new ones. Most of them hurt :( I did do the leg press today though.  The motion hurt.  She told me just to keep doing it with my other leg doing most of the work.  So I did.  She kept stressing how we don't want to irritate the knee again and start over.  She said I need to be very careful wiith everything.  Then we went through and talked about what I can and can't do for a while.  NOTHING extra :(

Because of a death in the family my old pT had to cancel Thursday's apt...so I just have OS on Thursday. 

My knee is not feeling very well right now...oh well.  Hope all is well with everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 15, 2008, 08:01:19 PM
Hi Farrah,
sounds like you did GREAT at PT!!
what she is saying about doing the motion but letting the other leg do the work is so important, I used to think i wasnt getting anything from exercises that i couldnt do properly - but it retrains your brain and then when the strength catches up youre not awkward with the movement from the brain training - so its good.
DO NOT irritate the knee!!! Keep things slow and easy, at a pace you can manage.
Im thrilled for you it went so well!!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 15, 2008, 08:28:09 PM
great PT!  Hey you rode the bike!  That is a huge step!  When I started riding the bike i had pain to.  Still do specially if I do not concentrate on keeping my knee in towards my body.  Everything is new for it so you just have to remember that you have taken and reconstructed the way your knee functions.  Yes the doc says its suppose to work better now but it surely doesnt realize that!  At least you have come control over the inflammation now!
   I am up to ride 30 mins a day on the bike and I just increased the tension up one again today so I am sure I will feel it later.  I always feel better after I get off the bike for a while... loosened up and all.
  Had the MRI on my left knee done today.  Now I have to wait till May 8th.  I hate the wait.  I have already tried to figure out what I am looking at.  I have even tried comparing them which just made it worse.  So I will put them aside and wait.  I know that the radiologist will read the films and the doc will have the results by the end of the week.  Not that that will help me in the wait.
   Hope your afternoon has gone well since PT, ICE ICE ICE.  Take your meds and REST!  Its been a while since you had a full PT session. 
talk later
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on April 15, 2008, 09:24:11 PM
Glad PT went so well today.  It will get better.  You can already do things you couldn't do last week like the bike.  Just be careful.



Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 16, 2008, 04:01:13 AM
Okay, so PT was difficult enough!  I never stopped after that!  I overdid it!  I know...my fault!  UGH!  Definitely feeling it!  I plan on not forgetting my indocin tonight!   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 16, 2008, 10:49:22 AM
Very Bad News...I hope I am not nearing the end of my walking!!!  UGH!  I woke up this morning and usually I feel my best in the morning no matter what I did the day before.  Well it is hurting to walk again! Same place, same pain.  It isn't as bad though.  I hope it doesn't get worse as the day progresses!!!!!  I did take indocin last night, so that is why the pain probably isn't worse!  I Hope I hope I hope this isn't it for me already!  I am just afraid, ya know?  I am going to think positive and not think anything more about it for the rest of the day if I can help it. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 16, 2008, 11:02:19 AM
Hi farrah,
im sorry to hear your pain news. Youre seeing your OS tomorrow arent you? You can question him at length then, ask him why the cortisone would have worked for a while then worn off? Whats causing the inflammation? Surely this long post op you should be out of the woods as far as pain is concerned now unless you seriously overdo thing? These are things he needs to answer. Maybe your physio yesterday aggravated things?
Ask him what he thinks the future of this knee holds for you - is it going to settle down and allow you to get on with PT and rehab?
I think you need to sit down and draft a list of questions for him. At this stage you might consider a second opinion?
xx
Tanya
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 16, 2008, 12:21:47 PM
Hey Tanya, the cortisone is still working b/c I can still walk normally crutchless.  It just hurts when I step.  Before the injection, the walking pain was #8, right now it is only #3/4.  So I can handle it.  I am just worried that it will get worse already!  I plan on taking it easy at work all day, but then I am having a small party at my house tonight!!  I am the host, so it will be impossible for me to sit down.  I plan to ask my OS tons of questionst tomorrow.  I hope this walking pain goes away before then.  That would mean it is controllable and maybe normal.  :(  I hope to GOD it goes away!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 16, 2008, 05:29:00 PM
Okay...not being able to walk normally now :( :( :( :(  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 16, 2008, 05:31:23 PM
oh no!!! whats happening!!!
thank god you are seeing your OS tomorrow - you just have to get through today then tomorrow you can rip his head off and eat it!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 16, 2008, 05:36:56 PM
I am still thinking positive and hoping this is just a bad day!!  I haven't broken down in tears yet!  If it gets worse to the way it was before the injection, then I will be sooooooooooo soooooooooo upset!  I am NOT going back to crutches! 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 16, 2008, 07:05:46 PM
Farah have you thought about calling the PT and letting her know that you are unable to walk again?  You may have done waytoo much yesterday in PT.  So sorry you are in so much pain.  I just can't figure out how you are still weak mucled after this amount of time. Something just doesnt seem right to me.
  I am frustrated for you!  At least I know most of my pain is arthritis.  You really should think about a second opinion.  seriously no doc is super or imperfect.  There may be problem with what he did or didnt do and just doesnt want to face it. 
  Sorry thinking out loud.  Just want you to get better is all!

Melissa ::)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 16, 2008, 07:22:51 PM
Thanks Melissa, I go see my OS tomorrow.  We'll figure it out.  I am not having a lot of pain just sitting here at work, but the second I try to move or walk, sucks!  It's still not as bad as it was, but I am definitely limping.  :(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 17, 2008, 01:29:18 PM
OS apt changed to 1pm today instead of 4pm.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 17, 2008, 01:58:16 PM
Good - less time to worry about it. Let us know how you get on today with him and BE STRONG!!!!!!!!!
xxx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on April 17, 2008, 02:10:41 PM
Good luck, thinking of you and hope all goes well.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on April 17, 2008, 05:13:38 PM
Good luck!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 17, 2008, 08:29:18 PM
Ahhhhhhhh!!!  Crazy appointment!!!  Got x-rays......there is so much to say!  I will try to make it short and sweet.  So I was newly informed of a bunch of things today.  I have patella alta for one.  Before surgery, I had grade III chondramalacia caused by patella subluxation.  My cartilage is worn 1mm from the bone. We compared today's x-rays to Pre Op x-rays, and my patella is still tilted, but is in the correct place now.  I still have lots of obvious muscle weakness that he thinks is causing the tilt. He said that most of my pain is coming from my cartilage issues.   He wants me to wear the patella strap to see how that helps with the walking pain and pain from everything else.  He said if I still have problems in 1 month, we are going to try Euflexxa injections to help smooth out the damaged areas and allow things to glide smoothly.  He said no other surgery could help, except a TKR, but I am too young for that. Soooooooo PT visits once a week and a good home program for the other days, wear the strap, continue to take it very easy, and the big one here.......... use a CANE!!!!!!!!  I flipped out with that one!   He gave it to me, taught me how to use it, and said it will help with my other knee. UGH!  So I gave in!  :(  :( :( He wants me back in 4 weeks. When I went to make my follow up apts, there were none until the beginning of July!  So the lady made me one for 4 weeks!!  I can't imagine how long til a new patient apt is available! So that's that!

UGH!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on April 17, 2008, 09:08:45 PM
Oh Farrah I am SOOO sorry. That really sucks. Don't worry too much about the cane. Just remember that you're not the only person in the world with one AND it's going to stop you doing more damage. I hope that the strap helps a bit... are you carrying on with the shots?

Gemma

xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 17, 2008, 09:15:10 PM
Hi Farrah,
well the good news is this - my cartilage on the back of my kneecap is also worn down to 1mm and ive got bone spurs on the sides of it BUT Ive no pain - so you will not necessarily have pain from that if you get the muscles strong. I have attached my skyline x-ray to show this to you.

Getting the muscles strong will help A LOT!!!!

Dont worry about the cane - you can be Funky Farrah with her cane :)

Let me know how you go with the patella strap - thats interesting.

It sounds like he took a lot of interest - you will be surprised how much pain goes with strong muscles too.
xxx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 17, 2008, 10:57:14 PM
Well gosh Farrah!  It's about time they told you EVERY THING!  I mean here you have been asking for explainations and all you were getting was that it is just due to weak muscles.  I would think they would have known for a while about the cartiledge deteriation.  I am so glad you finally know exactly what the problems are.  Did he give you a reason as to why the cartilege is down that low?? I mean is it due to arthritis or something else?
   I am anxious about getting the results of my MRI.  I am giving them till Monday and will call about it.  Last time though the OS wanted to wait till I came in to discuss it so that may be the case again this time.  But I will call on Monday to find out.   I went cain free today but not down the steps to go to the post office.  I will keep using the cain for a while.  Hey I got a nice blue one at wal mart for $15.98 its a alot nicer looking than those nasty silver ones...
   I am glad I have the cain instead of the crutches.  Although this afternoon I feel like I could use the crutches instead cause of my other knee.  Looking forward to hearing how you are doing later today.

Glad you got some true answers....hope you start improving soon!
Melissa 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on April 18, 2008, 12:33:28 AM
Farrah, is your cartilage wear in patches, or is it an even 1mm across?   If it's in patches, you could possibly qualify for the same surgery I just had.    Mine was shaped more like a groove because the patella was rubbing in the wrong place. 

Now would be a good time for a second opinion, especially one that is a carticel approved surgeon.  You can find them at carticel.com.  I wish you luck in the next month on strengthening your muscles.  What did he say about the pain from driving?


Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 18, 2008, 02:09:19 AM
Hello Everyone, so I was walking so well a few days ago and now I can't hardly walk at all!!  My new cane helps though, but it looks horrible!  It is NOT a fashion statement!  We spent about an hour at my office making fun of it today!!  One girl that is kind of snobby anyway said she'd rather take disability than come to work with a cane!!  It really doesn't suit me!  It feels so much better with walking though!  It also helps my other knee a lot too..especially with stairs!  I have come to the conclusion that the cortisone is not helping much anymore.  I have also realized that the vicodin doesn't help this sharp pain anymore.  So I will just deal with it.  My OS told me to keep myself as comfortable as possible....in other words don't do much!  So I will not. 

Gemma, I need to go to PT for a month before starting the shots.  The idea is that strengthening will help the pain and I will not need them!  I hope that's the case!

Tanya, just call me "Old Lady Farrah."  I wore the patella strap for the rest of the day today and it didn't really help much.  So I will try it again tomorrow and see how it works again.  It bothers my numbness and pushes on parts that are sensitive.  So it isn't very comfortable to wear.  Here is the website to see what it looks like if you are curious....

http://www.braceint.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=braceint&Product_Code=flk&Category_Code=

Melissa, I am glad they finally told me everything!  I am glad my PT was cancelled today, otherwise, they wouldn't have had easy access to my chart and all my x-rays.  When I have PT at the same time as OS, the OS comes into the PT clinic and talks and examines me without being in the exam room.  So there isn't easy access to all my info and x-rays.  THe chondramalacia (cartilage damage) was caused by my patella subluxation...my patella rubbed bone on bone all the time causing the wear.  My cane is boring...plane black with a comfortable handle.  I am attaching a picture of it if you are interested in see what it looks like. 

Diana, I don't know if the wear is in patches or not.  My doctor is an ACI doctor.  He has been doing it for years and years.  He has actually participated in many studies with it and has developed his own methods with it.  It is one of his signature surgeries.  My patella was rubbing wrong too!  My OS did mention the ACI before my Fulkerson, but realized since the wear wasn't all the way to the bone, then I am not a good candidate.  So now it isn't an option.  I am hoping to get my other knee fixed before the damage gets bad enough to need that surgery too.  I  never want to need that one b/c it takes so long to recover!  For my driving pain, the patella strap was hopefully going to help with that, but it hasn't!  So I will be just working hard on strengthening over the next month! 

Thanks everyone for the responses!  I really love this website.  It has helped me so much.  I am also thrilled to finally understand my problems! 

Farrah

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 18, 2008, 09:01:38 AM
Hi Old Lady Farrah,
well - if the cane helps you walk better then so what if its less than fashionable! I dont think my lurching wobbly walk while constantly trying not to slip out of joint is too attractive either :)
I have seen patella straps like that - never tried one though.
My cartilage damage is even - its a direct result of my TTT - mine was a Hauser which has been abandoned now due to the wear it causes - but theres a good chance the bulk of that wear happened in the first 5 years after the surgery - so perhaps thats why it doesnt hurt me now? I am definitely down to bone at the edges - cos Ive grown bone spurs.
Tell me more about ACI? How come it isnt an option now? Does the fulkerson excluse it as a future surgery?
When I was in the height of pain my PT kept saying - push through for 3 weeks, just deal with it - so I did and I have to admit - it started to recede after around 3 weeks, then it got better again, then it was gone. Now I only have pain after an out of joint experience but even that isnt sharp - its just general achiness from inflammation.
See about e-stim as well Farrah - cos that helps the muscles without any weight bearing, or pain afterwards.
xxx

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 18, 2008, 10:01:54 AM
Good morning all.  I have been up since about 4am laying in bed.  So I decided just to wake up and wait around for 5:15am to get in the shower and go to work.  I have to be at work around 6:30am or 7am to make up time from leaving work for my OS apt yesterday.  So it is a good day not to be able to sleep late.  My knee hurt so much with very slight movements last night and still can't walk this morning.  I am almost considering taking some vicodin today....don't want to at all, but maybe it will help me today!  I will stick it out until it drives me crazy, then I will take it....so maybe I will not need it.  THis entire experience has been a very very difficult one.  I never thought it would take this long!!!  They said 3 months to get back into sports.  I am at 3.5 months and not even close!  I am sad about it..very sad.  My current tennis season is ending in two weekends and my next one starts in June.  My next OS apt is May 16th which is only 2 weeks before the next season starts.  I really hope that I get some progress between now and then.  May 16th is also only 1.5 months before my 10k race!  I was suppose to start training for it next weekend!  UGH!  It also looks like I will not be able to paricipate in my May 17th softball tournament for my office.  I seriously thought that was a no brainer that I'd be ready by then.  I have also come to the realization that I will not be able to walk my 6 mile March of Dime walk next weekend!  I hope I make progress over the next 4 weeks!!!  I can't handle the stress of this anymore.  It is killing me.  I still have a much better attitude than I did before the injection.  At gymnastics, I am laughing and messing around a lot more than I had been being in so much pain before.  Very funny story that happened when I got to gymnastics last night!!!  I am already soooooo embarassed with this cane thing.  So being around all the athletic healthy gymnasts and all the healthy coaches, I so didn't want to walk in there using a cane!  So I grabbed the cane from my car, grabbed my gym bag, and limped inside while carrying the cane.  After I changed my clothes, I put my bag in the coach's room, and carried my cane out onto the gym floor with a huge limp.  It was soooooo funny.  One of the older gymnasts laughed at me so hard b/c I was carrying the cane in my left hand while limping with my right leg!!!!  She later immitated me and I was crying laughing!!  Later I sucked it up and started using it b/c it helps so much.  Sorry to go on and on, my mind is just all over the place right now!

Tanya, the reason I am not a candidate for the ACI could be a number of things.  Based on the research I did months ago, the ACI is used for people with cartilage wear of a certain size patch all the way down to the bone.  Even If you have wear all over the place all the way to the bone, the ACI is not good for that.  It has to be a small patch of wear all the way down.  So mine isn't all the way to the bone and I don't know if it is one single patch or all over the place.  I forgot to ask that yesterday.  He showed me all my surgery images finally and pointed out how horrible the cartilage damage was.  It looked a lot worse than my first surgery years ago.  He also showed me how my knee slipped out of place during flexing in surgery.  It was so weird.  It was touching bone one bone, then it was starting to move outside the groove, then it was completely out of the groove.  I also saw how shallow it is.  There is hardly any curved part at all in the groove.  So I am sure having the Patella alta and the shallow groove caused all the subluxations.  All of that caused the cartilage to wear.  So all this is also happening on my left knee right now.  I am so afraid that if I wait too long to fix it, then the cartilage damage could wear down to the bone in that knee.  I hope to goodness not b/c I seriously would not have time for recovering from that ACI surgery if needed!  I am also afraid that it could wear too much to ever get fixed like my right knee.  At least now the right knee cap is no longer rubbing to cause more damage!  So that's good.  I am sure that is more than you wanted to read about! :)  I just love that I understand it all now! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 18, 2008, 11:09:01 AM
Hi farrah,
thats a great explanation you left for me on my diary of ACI - thanks for that. I guess in my case things are different as the wear is even and is actually from the realignment and not just in one patch.
That is a funny story about the cane!!!
Hey try not to worry about the various sporting events that you are missing, you have had a great trauma with that knee and you needed it fixed in case it got worse, now you just need to worry about recovery - you are young, there are plenty of years left to do sports and be involved in other stuff too. Its just a hard time right now - I agree with you, the frustration is a killer, but we must learn to be patient. We can always come and vent at each other here!!
Im just wishing away the days awaiting my scope and further diagnosis. Wouldnt it be lovely if the scope showed something really easy to fix and I was ok after it - ah well, may as well dream here as in bed :)
xx


Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on April 18, 2008, 02:49:51 PM
Hi Farrah,

Sorry to hear that you are still having problems.

I'd use the cane if it helps. You can get some pretty funky canes these days. I think I will look into one too. Some days I really struggle to walk.

Good luck with your rehab !!!  :D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on April 18, 2008, 04:14:19 PM
farrah

If the cane helps you with the pain that is the most important and I hope you are managing ok. You are so well informed I am so impressed. You guys are so brave, and you keep on going, being positive and helping others.

Tanya your scope will hopefully be the turning pint and a new direction, treatment and success will follow.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 18, 2008, 06:02:20 PM
I bought some "bling bling" for my boring black cane today!!!  I bought a bunch of rhinestone stickers and such to put all over it!  I will decorate it and put a picture on here another day.

I still can't walk without the cane...it is just getting worse everyday!  UGh!

Tanya, I really am hoping they figure out what your problems are in your knee!  I am patiently waiting for your surgery date and can't wait to hear that they found something and can fix it!!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 18, 2008, 06:14:02 PM
Oh!  Big weekend this weekend!  Well, long painful one I am sure.  I have to be at gymnastics from 7:30am tomorrow until 10:00pm!  I hope it ends earlier! During 9 of those hours, I am coaching my 2 gymnastics meet sessions!!  My PT and OS were very concerned! I am going to do my best to sit a lot! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 18, 2008, 08:11:43 PM
Funky Farrah and her Rhinestone Cane - I love it!!! definitely post a pic!

Farrah you have to be careful tomorrow and sit a LOT - dont forget that its still much too early for you to over do things, you dont want a return of your pain!!!

you guys are so sweet patiently awaiting my surgery!!! We can begin a countdown nearer the time :)
xx


Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 19, 2008, 01:24:49 AM
I need some advice!!  I have this 9hr meet tomorrow and I am very concerned!  Do you think I should wear my big huge brace that I haven't worn in 1-2 months?  I have the thought that if I wear it, then maybe my knee won't get so painful so fast since it will help support my muscles.  I was also thinking that if I have it on, then I will not be inclined to move around as much?  Any suggestions??  Thanks!!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 19, 2008, 04:30:20 AM
Here are two pictures of my "bling bling."  The first picture shows the front of the cane.  NMGC is the name of my gymnastics club.  The other picture shows the back of the cane. You can barely see the pink and silver rhinestones in between all the adjustable holes.  I will be stylish at tomorrow's meet!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 19, 2008, 04:52:03 AM
Hi Farrah

   Not sure if the large brace would be a great thing since you havent used it in so long, do you have a smaller one that you can use?  If not then take the larger one if it helps you to remember to stay put as much as possible.  I tried posting earlier but for some reason it didnt go through.  I understand about the cane issue.  It does help but makes you feel old.  I get that!  I am only 38 which I am sure for you your probably think that is old....haha.  But it does help and I am not giving mine away so fast.  At least not till I get this other knee figured out.
   I called the OS, they want to discuss my knee when I come in on the 8th.  I figured as much.  Which really doesnt bother me as much as I thought it would.  My OS likes to look at the films himself not just rely on the radiologists reading. 
   I do hope you get some rest. I have included a picture of what my cane looks like.  Well the shape anyway.  Its the one on the right.  Mine is blue and black.  It has taken me a week to get use to really using it and getting the hang of it on the steps.
Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on April 19, 2008, 04:24:17 PM
Hey cool cane. awesome job  ;D

I am sure they will all appreciate the sparkles :)

I don't know what to say to you about your big brace, does it give you a lot of support, I guess you will know best. Whatever you do try and take it easy and do sit a lot. Good luck.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 20, 2008, 02:08:47 AM
Hello guys.  So I am exhuasted and in lots of pain after my 13 hrs being at a gymnastics meet.  11 hrs of that was me coaching!  It was so bad!  When I arrived around 7:30am, I had to unload my car with all my March of Dimes booth supplies.  I did have some help.  Then I set it all up.  I sat in a chair and stayed there for about 1 hr.  Then I got up b/c the sitting was absolutely killing my knee.  So I sat somewhere else where I could extend my leg all the way.  Well by then it was way too late!  I had #8 pain before my competition even started!  I was in tears.  I iced, then coached.  During the 11hrs of coaching, I sat about 70% of the time, but was still in pain the entire time...lots of it.  I shouldn't have been walking with a cane...should have been using crutches.  I didn't end up wearing my brace, but I kind of regret it.  I just didn't want to prevent my muscles from getting stronger.  So I walked with a huge limp with my cane all day today!!  I didn't have to move huge mats or spot any of the girls or anything!  The only walking I did was going from event to event or go to the bathroom or go to the coach's food room.  The pain was so bad sometimes that during some parts of the day I found a place to lay down on my side to get the stress off my knees.  Then towards the end of the meets there was a problem with one of the floor routine's music.  So I had to "run" to the coach's room to find the proper CD to play.  Well I certainly couldn't run, but the judges were sitting there ready for the music to start, so I had to hurry.  So I hopped on my other leg all the way there and back and fixed the problem.  By the time I got back to sit down and watch the routine, my other leg was just throbbing.  Horrible Horrible sharp pain!  So I sat there and rubbed both my knees while watching my gymnast compete.  I realized that I didn't pay any attention to what she was doing b/c the pain was so bad.  AFter she finished, she asked me what she did wrong and all I could say was I don't remember!!!!  Horrible!!!  Anyway, long painful day as I thought.  I did ice 3 times throughout the meets.  I took very good care of myself.  It wasn't the walking that caused my pain, it was just a bad day!  I didn't walk much at all!!!  I took very good care of myself.  Both my knees are swollen right now.  My surgery knee is huge and on fire!!  It feels as though a heating pad is on it!!  That is how hot it is!  Anyway, I am resting for the rest of the day and all of tomorrow.  I think I may be taking some vicodin tonight!  :(

I have a questions for the TTT people.   When I was walking today, I could feel the screw site with every step.  It was really weird.  I can't describe it, but it felt like I was putting stress on something with every step.  Really weird...still is feeling like that.  It feels like it is tight or something.  It is also very very tender.  It was like that yesterday too.  Is this normal and goes away?  I don't want to feel it!  It feels like something is compressing on top of it with every step. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 20, 2008, 04:20:32 AM
Farrah what a day you had.  Too bad  you dont have an assistant coach that could have helped you out with getting that music!  As for the TTT pain...yes I have it too seomtimes more than others.  Specially in the screw area.  It gets sharp at times other times it just aches.  I have tightness there and it does occasionally feel like something is pressing against it. 
   TOday most of my pain was on the outside of the leg.  almost as if the ttt was on the outside in stead of the inside of my leg.  My PA said its normal and to run and massage the area frequently.  Said the muscles are adjusting but it sure has hurt today.  I thought I was doing pretty good yesterday and then today I have needed that cain...by the time I was finished shopping with my now 6 yr old...he had a bday yesterday and we took his bday money and he went shopping.  Needless to say by the end of the hour I was in lots of pain and wished I had my crutches as well.  I have been trying to cut down on using my alve and advil.  trying to give my stomach a break but my knees need the meds...
   Hope you get the relief you need.  My surgery knee has gotten so hot that it has felt like it was the heating pad too.  Lots of ice and elevation helped.  I need to go elevate my self...kne and foot is swollen again... I cant wait for the swelling to stop!
   rest tomorrow do not get off the couch or bed!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 20, 2008, 05:09:09 AM
Hello Melissa, glad that my screw site stuff is normal!  It isn't really painful usually.  About 1-2 times a day it will throb for about an hour, but that is nothing compared to all the other pain.  I took 2 vicodin since my last post and went to bed.  Well I Forgot that I am allergic to it and I haven't been taking the claritin since I haven't been taking the vicodin.  So I woke up itching all over.  So I had to get up to take the claritin.  So now I am awake.  The vicodin has eased the constant sharp pain.  Now I just still can't walk or move around easily.  I hate the meds!  I am so groggy right now and hope to GOD that I don't have to take more tomorrow.  When I got out of my bed to take the claritin, something was off and my knee popped really loudly to wake my husband up!  It hurt so much!!!  I could walk it off, but it hurt!!!  Maybe scar tissue?  I wish I understood more about scar tissue.  Is it good or bad?  My OS said that once more scar tissue develops, then my cartilage damage will not hurt so much.  Whatever...I just want to walk unassisted!  I have to go watch tennis tomorrow again.  If I feel like I do right now, I will be on crutches tomorrow.  Maybe that will prevent me to have to use them on Monday!  I haven't done my PT in 2 days b/c the pain has been awful with tightening my leg.  I figured if I did them, I would hurt way worse...but if I don't do them, then this pain will last longer!  What to do!!!  I will talk to my PT about that at Wednesday's apt.  I am kind of nervous about only going once a week.  I wish since all my pain is pretty much back that I could still go twice a week.  Actually, maybe not!  I think PT is the reason I am back to where I am.  If you go back to Monday's diary and read through now, you will see that it has all gotten worse since Tuesday's PT!  My PT will not be happy!  Besides tomorrow, I will continue with the cane...maybe tomorrow too.  I e-mailed my tennis team today to let them know I am back to struggling with walking and pain again so they wouldn't ask a lot of questions tomorrow when I go see them all. 

Melissa, sorry about the shopping trip...I understand those!  I hate those when the knees hurt!  I had an assistant coach to help with the music, but they didn't know where it was or what to get.  So I had to take care of it ASAP.  Oh well.  I felt more horrible for my girl standing on the floor waiting for the music to start and not knowing what to do in that situation!  She still did a great routine for what I remembered...well her score was good.  Anyway, I guess I am going to try to get back to bed.  Being exhausted also doesn't help with knee pain.  So I need sleep! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 20, 2008, 10:31:55 PM
Doing better today than yesterday!  Still have issues walking and all that same old crap! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 21, 2008, 08:57:16 AM
Hi farrah,
love the sparkly cane!!
not happy to hear youve had so much pain the past few days - that sucks, but you seem to be able to get it more under control now - sometimes we dont even have to be on our feet to trigger it - just not elevating/resting.
You need to talk to them in PT about your pain, and come to some happy medium of exercise that doesnt aggravate things. Ive had to do that in the past when even the slightest exercise would set it off. There are ways to exercise the quads without hurthing everything - even if it means doing very little and slowly building up. You will get there though.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on April 21, 2008, 10:08:20 AM
Hi Farrah,

Think your cane and the additions are just great.

Hope you are doing better today.  :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 21, 2008, 01:59:08 PM
Hello guys, I am doing okay today.  Same crap as always now.  Still not taking vicodin, just ULtram ER and indocin.   

I now have a very bad sunburn on my right side of my body from sitting at tennis yesterday. I didn't think it would be that bad!  You can see where I wore my patella strap!  My legs are on fire! By Wednesday's PT, it should be a tan! 

As for PT, the reason it hurt so bad last week is from trying things.  The second it hurt, it was too late!  She is very careful to only give me things that don't hurt.  Hopefully it will be better this week.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on April 21, 2008, 02:17:09 PM
Glad to hear today is better, thats good news. As for the sun burn...got any cream for it ?

I go for the first time in years to a sunny place to see my dad and we expect just to sit about with him in the sun....and I may even get a tan and I come home and the next day I go for surgery. So the first time ever I have a tan to show off its gonna be all covered up in a cast or whatever they put on. I will just need to ensure I wear shorts so my one tanned leg can enjoy it before it fades in our rain You enjoy your tan ;) and I hope it eases up by Wed for you.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 22, 2008, 03:58:44 AM
Blood rushes in both legs from my sunburn??  UGH!  Ever heard of that?  I remember the feeling from after surgery, but didn't think it could happen with a sunburn!  My legs are bright bright red from yesterday. 

Knee pain came and went off and on all day today.  Walking is starting to really hurt even with the cane to assist!  Have PT on Wednesday night and hope to goodness my sunburn fades!  She can't touch me if I am still like this. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 22, 2008, 02:54:12 PM
Farrah-
  I am a Floridian at heart and by birth.  LIved most of my life there.  I know the sunburn pain you have!  It sucks!  Here is a sure fire way of taking some of the heat out of your burned skin...no bare in mind it will stink but it will help so much plus the smell goes away after you shower.   Take a bowl of cold water and add 3-4 tbs of distilled vinager. THen take a wash cloth and dip in the mix, ring out the excess and open and lay the wash cloth on your skin.  In seconds the wash cloth will turn warm if not hot.  Some how it pulls the heat.  Just keep doing it till you have cover all areas affect.   It will help alot!  It is best to do that night but a few days out works too.  Hope that helps if not now for future use.
   I don't know how many times I have done that when I was a sun bather....teen/20s.  Now I am lucky if I can sit out in the sun without one of my kids needing something.  Hoping to sit out in the sun later today even if just for a few minutes
   With everything going on with your knee I am sure you must be thinking there is no way the other one will be worked on.  You have had the most terrible experience with this surgery.  Thinking about you.  At least you aren't taking the heavy meds anymore right?  Have a good day!

melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 22, 2008, 04:47:08 PM
Melissa, thanks for the sunburn tip!  I never lay out in the sun, but this was from watching tennis. I will try your tip tonight since it still burns!

I haven't taken vicodin since Saturday.  I take it as needed now.  Before, as needed was always! So that's good now!  I just want to be able to walk without pain and without a cane!  I also want to be able to drive without pain! I want to be able to move my leg around at work under my desk.  I generally keep it all the way bent like normal or have it extended all the way out on top of some boxes under my desk.  Moving it from one of those positions to another kills!  I have to sit still all day to prevent pain. I am tired of all of it!

As for my other knee...I can't get it fixed until the end of the year.  I will live with it until then.  I can't not get it fixed b/c it is causing a lot of cartilage damage already.  If it gets too much worse, then I could be in a lot more trouble later.

Well gotta get back to work!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on April 22, 2008, 06:44:25 PM
Farrah

Hope the sunburn has eased. I have never heard of Melissa's tip before but I am going to write ot down in case I ever need it.

I hope it works for you before your PT. Good luck
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 22, 2008, 08:04:44 PM
Farrah I have a promise for you!!
I promise - when you get your muscles a bit stronger you wont get that awful stiffening up trying to change position with your leg - it was happening me for AGES last year and it magically stopped when my muscles got stronger!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 22, 2008, 08:11:24 PM
What about walking?  and driving???
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 23, 2008, 02:22:59 AM
I am getting sad again and frustrated.  I was in a lot of pain today and I have PT tomorrow.  I really really really don't want to go!!!!  I KNOW that I will struggle with it and for sure struggle after it!  It isn't soreness, but PAIN afterwards.  I also really really don't want to walk in with a cane!  At my last PT session, she was so thrilled that I was walking crutchless.  She was out when I had my OS apt last week, so she doesn't know about my cane and having issues again.  I really don't want to see her face when she sees me walking like that!  So maybe I will "forget" it in the car.  I don't need it in PT anyway!  Right? 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 23, 2008, 02:37:41 AM
Since I am in my sad moment, I figured I could share some of what I did before surgery!! 

This was 8 months ago.

http://www.dropshots.com/arkitect06#date/2007-09-06/21:23:49

http://www.dropshots.com/arkitect06#date/2007-09-06/21:23:58

I MISS MY SPORTS!  DOING THEM!  NOT COACHING!  Coaching is NOT the same!  I used to show my kids what they were doing wrong.  Now I have to explain it! 

Okay, I am crying now.  I was just thinking of what my PT told me last week....no more gymnastics FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I am not sure if that is going to happen, but for now it is since I can't even walk.  Is this me forever??  Not able to walk?  I know I have 4 weeks to show some improvement.  If still none, then we will try other things.  If we get to those injections and they don't work, I am see another OS.  For sure!

On a brighter note, I see my spine doctor on Monday, and I plan on asking him about what will happen to my back if we try for pregnancy by the end of the year (or when my knees allow it)!!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 23, 2008, 09:11:10 AM
Hi Farrah,
dont be sad, you will come out of this. You will really make improvement if you can get your quads stronger - i know its hard and last year every bit of PT hurt me like hell afterwards, but you have to rise above it and do whats you CAN without causing so much pain that its non productive - eventually those muscles will start realising they have a job to do.
4 weeks is a lot of time to show improvement, you will be surprised what you get out of that.
I cant look at those links in work - ill look at them later. But dont feel that everything is over forever - its not like that, you will find ways around things and you will be able to indulge in your favourite activities - even if its in a different manner.
I think another OS might be a good idea - just for a second opinion - no harm in seeing what someone else has to say right? You dont have to take it on board - just go and see what someone else thinks?
Chin up Farrah - it will get much better.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on April 23, 2008, 12:55:06 PM
Hi Farrah,

Sorry to hear that you are really struggling right now. Like Tanya says, it can only get better.

Those videos were great and am sure you will get back there.

I really think you need to think about going to another PT. They should NOT be working as a PT if they make comments like that to you about gymnastics. It can be self destroying. They should be encouraging and supporting you. One doctor told me that I may never walk again !! Didn't really believe him but was very scared about that happening. It didn't happen and I'm still doing ok.

One really good thing about my OS is that he has never said you'll never play sport again. He's encouraged me along the way and talked about realistic goals. So, that really helps. My physio and sports physician are very supportive too. It makes all the difference.

Chin up, it can only get better !!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on April 23, 2008, 01:52:02 PM
(((((((hugs)))))))) farrah

I am sorry you are feeling so down. Things will improve and get better - it has to and never say never. Hopefully out the blue like Tanya says things can change and you will make improvements and they give hope for the rest.

hang in there - you are not alone  :-*
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 23, 2008, 04:11:48 PM
Hey guys, I appreciate your support.  I am still not happy.  My eyes have watered several times throughout the morning thinking about everything.  Besides not taking vicodin so much, I haven’t noticed any difference with moving around and the pain it causes in the last 2 months or so.  Don’t you think in the last 2 months that I would have gotten a little stronger to notice a difference?  Right now, I am doing the same PT exercises at home for the last 2 months, but have added some weights. 

Tanya, be sure to look at those videos when you get home.  You will understand why I am so sad….I can’t do that stuff anymore. :(  I will continue to be patient!  I am losing it though! 

Kirsty, my PT and OS said that gymnastics is really bad for my knees and should not be practiced again.  They didn’t say I couldn’t, but strongly advised to never do it again.  I was thinking earlier today, that I would probably be afraid to! 

I don’t know how I am going to make it through the next 4 weeks in PT.  :(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 23, 2008, 06:29:04 PM
Hi Farrah,
actually - things HAVE improved for you - youve been able to walk much better and you havent had so much intense pain right? And less pills is a good sign - if you needed them your body would tell you!!

I know it seems like an endless struggle right now - but it WILL improve. And doing the same exercises for 2 months but adding weights - Ive been doing the same exercises for the past 10 months and have added weights - thats progress!!!!

I love those videos!! You gotta look at this with a different perspective - you wouldnt expect to be doing those flips if you were pregnant or if you were in your 60s or 70s right? So youre having some knee problems - and you cant do that stuff right now. It doesnt mean you cant EVER do ANY of it again, you will find a way to take part, maybe not to the same intense level, and maybe only recreationally, and maybe only a little - but you can still be involved.

I agree with Kirsty - your PT shouldnt be saying NEVER to you - who knows how things will be in a year or two years - you might be capable of much more than anyone thought!!

You will make it thru the next 4 weeks - just come here and vent and we will all support you and make you laugh!!
xx


Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 23, 2008, 06:58:47 PM
I got a wonderful e-mail from my gymnastics boss today...there was more to it, but here it is the part that nongymnastics people would understand:

((((((((Given your ups and downs this season I think you have really done a GREAT job!  I am proud of how you pushed the girls, fought for them to get better, challenged the girls when needed, but most importantly, you pushed yourself selflessly when you should have put your own health ahead of everyone else!

I am so happy you are part of our program!)))))))))


Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on April 23, 2008, 07:55:55 PM
wow that is so nice and so well deserved.

No wonder you are smiling, just remember to take care of you. Your girls must be so proud of you being their coach :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 24, 2008, 02:14:03 AM
Long Long day everyone!!  Painful one too!!  I had PT today.  I left work at 4:50pm and headed over there.  When I got there I snuck to the locker room and changed.  Then I left my cane in the locker.  So I went out to PT and let her know I was there.  She asked what the OS said last week.  I told her.  I told her about the cane and the patella strap.   So she asked how I was doing today.  I told her a lot worse than last week.  I told her everything I have done and not done.  I told her that I haven't been happy.  She asked me what I thought caused my problems again.  I straight up told her PT.  She was stunned and said that I didn't do anything last time.  She ran it through her head and said all I did differently was 30lb leg press.  She didn't believe me that I thought it was PT.  She thought maybe it was something else.  She remembered that I started coaching again last week and had my gymnastics meet.  I told her I sat the whole time!!  AND I DID!  I HAVE BEEN TAKING VERY GOOD CARE OF MYSELF!  She asked me if it was flared up when I saw my OS last week...I said yes...and it was.  So she told me that when I feel badly that I shouldn't come to PT.  I said I have felt badly since my last appointment and that if I don't come, then I will never get stronger and feel better!  I did tell her that I was still feeling better than before the injection.  So she told me that all she wanted me to do were my home exercises and then  the iontophoresis.  So for a $40 co pay, that's all I did!  UGH!  She wants me to stop PT for a while AGAIN and she is going to talk to my doctor again next week about it.  I guess I forgot to tell him that I had issues with PT last week.  So I asked what is going to be done now?  She said they talked about sending me to the pain management.  I said I don't need that b/c I am not taking much hydrocodone!  She insisted that over and over.  I told her that even though I still have a lot of problems, that my pain is still not as bad as it used to be!  She still insisted that I stop PT and she will talk to the OS next week.  She said she would call me on Monday!  So I got so upset after I left.  I just balled in my car.  Then I called my husband who couldn't understand a word of what I was saying b/c I was so upset.  So I told him I wanted my old PTs phone number to ask him some questions.  I knew today was his late day.  So I called my old PT and told him I was so frustrated and have been very upset and wanted to see if I could stop by in a few minutes to talk to him.  So he said sure.  So I got there, and he had two patients.  He came straight to me and talked to me for about 30 minutes and left those patients for the receptionist to take care of.  He looked at my knee and we talked about what had just happened.  I told him about the pain management and I told him all about my last OS apt.  He doesn't think my issues are muscle weakness.  He said it has been almost 4 months since my surgery and I should be able to walk by now.  I should also be able to do an SLR.  He thinks that the problem never was the subluxation, but the cartilage damage.  He said that my knee cap probably doesn't like where it is at now and it is rubbing more on the damaged cartilage.  I asked him what he thought my OS would say next week.  He said that he will probably offer the EUfflexa injections.  If so, he highly suggests going with that.  He said if they offer pain management, that I should go see another OS outside of the Atlanta area.  He suggested the Hughston Clinic in COlumbus, GA or some places in Birmingham, AL.  He thinks that if they offer pain management, then he would be concerned that they would just throw me to this doctor and never think about me again.  He says that it is very important that I continue to see my OS if I go to pain management.  He also said that if I go to another OS that I would feel better mentally just hearing it from another doctor.  Well my old PT wants me to keep him posted on how it all goes.  It was very nice that he took the time to talk to me.  Anyway, my eyes are puffy from crying so much today and I am so tired for not getting sleep last night.  So I am going to bed very early tonight. 

Farrah

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 24, 2008, 03:36:25 AM
Farrah

   Just want you to know that I am thinking about you.  I wish I could help you out somehow.  I think your old PT gave you some really good advice and I suggest you do what he has suggested. 
   I have my own issues and need to write on my own diary.  Just dealing with feet pain.  Severe.  Thinking it all has to do with my shoes.  I had some nice slip on walking air nikes and they basically fell apart from use so I got a cheap pair to replace them...bad idea!!!  Its not easy to find a size 11 in a womans nike shoe.   
    anyway, I hope you feel better sooner than later. 
 melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on April 24, 2008, 03:56:09 AM
Melissa,  Try www.Zappos.com (http://www.Zappos.com)  I wear a size11 and get alot of sneakers from Zappos.  Nice thing is that they do not charge shipping.

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 24, 2008, 09:08:20 AM
Hi Farrah,
you poor thing, what an awful experience for you - you must feel at this stage that you are being thrown around from OS to PT to home by yourself with nothing much changing.
I read your post and what stood out was your old PT saying that you should go see another OS? I think that thats a really good idea. My old OS absolutely refused to believe me that anything was wrong and insisted to me that all I needed was more physio - but it was obvious to me, my PT, and everyone else that nothing was changing - so thats why I went to a new OS and then he said the old one was bad news anyway!! So also did my PT - she said she had another patient who he kept insisting that everything was fine to and it wasnt - so there are times when a new OS is needed to have a fresh look at the situation. Its not like you have to take on anything the new guy says - but it would be well worth having an expert opinion on whats going on with your knee - otherwise you will keep going round in circles and not getting anywhere. What do you think about that?
Your old PT is correct - 4 months post op you shouldnt be having these problems. You havent been making improvement the way you should. And sending you to pain management may help but ultimately you need to know why you have this pain and is there anything that can be done to change that?
You are going through enormous amounts of stress with all of this Farrah, it cant be hard to see a way forward when you are so bogged down by stress.
Maybe think about a second opinion - it could be a good way forward for you?
xx

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 24, 2008, 10:47:00 AM
Good morning guys,

Melissa, I am so sorry your feet are hurting you so badly!  You have so many pain issues.  I hope you get it sorted out!!  I can't wait to hear about your MRI results in a few weeks!  I hope they know what the deal is.  Thanks for your support.  I am going crazy about all of this.  It made me feel a little better talking to my old PT though. 

Tanya, this is absolutely killing me.  I don't know how I am getting through my days.  My knees hurt and I am sooooo stressed and can't think of anything but these issues.  I really hate this.  I wanted to scream at my current PT last night.  I am not in a lot of constant pain anymore so I don't need pain management.  I just can't do anything else!! I was happy though that she didn't make me do all those painful exercises last night.  I was dreading going yesterday just b/c of those.  When I left PT last night all the other PTs and the receptionist told me that I hope I feel better soon.  They all knew I was not happy.  I told the receptionist to cancel all my appointments last night and she thought I was joking.  I told her I wasn't and she felt badly for me.  I was not happy yesterday and I was surprised that I kept control of my tears while I was there.  I fell apart in the elevator though.  The concierge guy downstairs said good night to me and I just looked down so he wouldn't see my emotions.  This has been so hard.  My husband took me out last night to make me feel better and it worked some.  We went to a Thai and Vietnamese restaurant.  I was able to put my leg up, so I didn't have to be in a lot of pain. 

I am just so tired of this!  I just want a solution!  I want to think positive again!!!  My Old PT reminded me that a patient like me is not only frustrating for me, but to the medical professionals too.  It is like a guessing game...they just keep trying things and hope that they work out.   I understood, but wanted answers despite this.  OH!  Last night when I talked to my old PT, I asked him that why would my cartilage problem be the cause of my pain, didn't they fix it in surgery?  He said yes, but I wouldn't be having this pain about 6 weeks PO if they fixed it.  So obviously it wasn't fixed.  He said that I shouldn't have any of these problems if it was fixed.  So more food for thought I guess!  Just tired of it.  I am not happy with my current PT even though I know that she is a good one.  SHe just doesn't seem to listen to me.  It seems like she just doesn't want to deal with me.  I think she is just frustrated and doesn't want to make it all worse again.  Well I guess I am going to go get ready for work now! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 24, 2008, 11:31:36 AM
Hi Farrah,
Are we called 'patients' cos we have to be so patient!!!!

I know exactly how you feel, and also even though you havent mentioned it- doesnt it make you feel like all the time with no improvement is actually going to make things worse in the long run!!!
Im always worrying that cos no one listened to what I was saying and just kept going 'weak quads' that Ive been doing much more damage.

Anyway on a brighter note - what do you think about a second opinion?

At this stage you need to do something positive like make a second opinion appointment - even if it only makes you feel better in the mind and doesnt change anything with your knee - you will also get answers about what may not have been fixed?

Frankly I think that all this 'stopping PT', 'letting you rest' is not helping you. How long can that go on for? 4 months post op is enough time for healing to be at a point that you could do PT.

When the medical people dont know what to do they do act like they just dont want to deal with you - ive experienced it too, it sucks, but if you keep looking you find someone who is willing to help.

xxx

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on April 24, 2008, 01:52:35 PM
I am so sad you are having such a rough time of it. I do know how demoralising it is to feel you have lost the connection with your PT. I went through it last year and just felt as if my PT didn;t believe me and I found it so frustrating and during that time its hard to make progress as you feel as if you are working froma negative to begin with.

I wish I could offer you more. I am so glad your old PT is still available for you to talk to. Maybe Tanya is right, would you like a 2nd opinion.

I hope today is better for you, I am thinking of you.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on April 24, 2008, 02:02:29 PM
Hi Farrah,

Sorry to hear you are really struggling. I think Tanya is right. You need to go and get a second opinion. I think you need to change PTs too. She obviously isn't the right one for you. I went through so many before I found the right one.

When I was having problems after the lateral release on my left knee the physio I was seeing at the time thought that going to a pain management clinic was the answer. The thing was I wasn't in a lot of pain and instability was more of my problem. My OS didn't believe the physio and said I had mechanical problems to fix. So, ended up having more surgery which really helped.

I hope this is food for thought !!!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 24, 2008, 03:21:23 PM
Karen- Thanks for the tip!  I will check it out!

Farrah- Let me reassure you, you are not the only one dealing with that nightly pain when you try to roll over in bed.  I am still dealing with that too.  The difference is that mine has gotten better over time.  I occassionally have that pain when I move my leg too.  I am still working on strengthening as well but I am only 2 weeks behind you.  You know you have a ton of ther stuff going on why are they waiting to start the shots?  If you are still in this much pain to walk and move then they should just start the shots so you can get PT to work for you.  Just my opinion but I think checking with a new OS wouldnt be so bad.  I know you may have a wait for an apt but you have time as it is.  Keep seeing the OS you have just make an appointment to see another to get a second opinion. 
   You may or may not get a different opinion but at least you would have that opinion to decide which way to go so you can get back to your sports.  hang in there you'll get better it may take longer than you want but you'll get there!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 24, 2008, 03:41:53 PM
Hello everyone, the plan is to wait to see what my OS says next week.  If he says injections, then I will do them.  If he says pain management, then 2nd opinion.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 24, 2008, 04:26:14 PM
why not do second opinion anyway? as a back up plan? cos if you make the appointment NOW - you wont have to wait so long if you do need it. and you can always cancel if you dont.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 24, 2008, 09:44:57 PM
I can, but I have to research where my insurance will allow me to go first. 

My knee is screaming at me!!  I have to coach tonight.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 25, 2008, 02:28:46 AM
For some reason throughout the day, my knee started feeling worse and worse.  I couldn't bear much weight by 5pm!  So I still had to go coach tonight.  I had to use my crutches.  I tried my cane, but couldn't handle it at all.  I sat the entire time at coaching and then went home and still couldn't bear much weight.  This just sucks.  I will be taking vicodin before bed tonight!  :(  :'( :'( :'(

This feels like a nightmare that will not go away.  I just want to be able to do crap. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 25, 2008, 09:27:12 AM
Hi Farrah,
sorry youre still having so much pain - i definitely think you should make like youre going for a second opinion, do the research, get an appointment set up - cancel if needs be (that reminds me ive to reschedule my NEXT opinion, til after my scope). I just think that mentally you will feel much better if you dont put all your eggs in one basket and then find that you end up needing to make a second opinion appointment anyway - at least if it goes to it and you get no joy with your next OS visit you can come out thinking 'well i already have the next appointment set up' - but if you dont it will be overwhelming to get the double whammy of 'no joy + no new appointment' - and if you do get joy then you just pick up the phone and say 'oh i need to cancel' - you know what i mean?
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on April 25, 2008, 04:31:06 PM
Farrah

I wish I could help you more. Please just take one day at time and I hope todays is better. I hope the OS comes up with something productive that will help you.

Take care and hang in there  :-*

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 25, 2008, 05:58:43 PM
Thanks Tanya and Joanne!  Mentally I am better today.  Physically, I am able to walk with the cane now.  So that's good.  Yesterday I couldn't do it.  I had to use the crutches.  So that's good the I can do the cane again.  I am just not going to hold my breath.  I just don't know what to expect. 

I will say that today for lunch a bunch of my coworkers wanted to walk to a place.  Well I said I couldn't, so I drove!  I was proud of myself for making the smart decision.  I have been doing well with that lately.

Unfortunately I have a huge weekend ahead of me.  Our 3.5 mile March of Dimes walk is tomorrow morning.  Of course I have to go b/c I am captain, but I will only be organizing and watching.  We raised $3900!  So I will be sitting on my new fold-up chair watching my team walk!!!  After the walk, I have to unload mats from my car and my team is performing gymnastics.  Hours after this, I have a 5 hr State Gymnastics meet to go to!  Then on Sunday I have another 5 hr gymnastics meet!!  I am going to do my best to sit as much as possible.  I hope I don't die of pain!!  It seems no matter how much I sit, I still have lots of pain when I am at a meet.  I will maybe take some vicodin ahead of time tomorrow.  We'll see.  I hope everyone else has a relaxing weekend!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 25, 2008, 07:10:41 PM
You wont die of pain Farrah but dont forget that pain affects our moods as well as hurting so to stay happy - avoid hurting that leg!!!

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 25, 2008, 07:15:06 PM
Tanya, I know I won't die...just an expression. :) I just hope that everything works out painless this weekend. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 25, 2008, 07:19:58 PM
I know sweetie - I meant to put a smile on my last one but forgot!!!

but dont go dying of pain on us - who will we tell our problems to then  :o
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 25, 2008, 07:57:19 PM
Farrah

   I am still using my cain outside of the house too.  I did walk ever so slowly to my kids school which is just across the back yard and street without it the other day.  I felt so proud to do it but felt very unsteady.  I had misplaced my cane.  Th teachers were like wow look at you go.  The next day the comment was back to the cane?  I wanted to smack them with it.  I just smiled and said its better than not walking.  Some peole can be rude and then some people can be just well a pain.
   I am happyto hear you are being careful!  What a smart move driving instead of walking.  Congrats on the money you raised for March of Dimes!  That is fantastic!  Also happy that you are able to participate without hurting yourself.  I know you wanted to walk too but its not the walk that is important as it is the money raised for a great cause!
   Be careful this weekend.  YOu definately have a busy one!  Maybe you can take some ice packs with you so you can ice that knee or both while you coach and at the walk.  You've come a long way with the meds!  SO you are improving even if its a little bit!  Just keep taking one day at a time!
melissa  ;)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 26, 2008, 03:37:28 AM
My knee had been feeling so weird in the last few days!!  Walking with the cane is not fun!  I want my crutches back!  I want to choose to use my leg or not!  It hurts so much sometimes to put my surgery leg down.  Today a lot of things happened with it that were very weird.  Maybe scar tissue?  Don't know.  My knee has felt like it has shifted many times today.  It has been popping during a series of steps a few times today.  Like on my way to the car sometime today, all of a sudden my knee was popping painfully with every step.  Then during gymnastics today, I was sitting in a chair with my knees bent to 90degrees.  Well I was started to straighten my surgery leg out just a few degrees and there was a very loud painful pop.  The pain took a long time to subside. I also straightened it out another time today and it felt like my knee shifted from one location to another.  So weird!  All this was today!  My knee is also very swollen.  Meanwhile, the walking is getting worse earlier and earlier in the day.  Yesterday around 5pm I was not able to bear much weight without lots of pain and went to crutches.  Well today it was around 3pm!  I never went to the crutches today though.  I stupidly stuck with the cane and limped.  I don't know why I torchered myself...the crutches were just in the car.  I guess I am just very concerned that walking is my only way of developing any quad strength right now.  If I don't do it, then I for sure will not get any stronger.  I think I need to try taking the vicodin periodically again.  Maybe that will help with all this pain and weirdness.  I just don't think the pain meds will take enough of this pain away to make it worth taking.  My OS really doesn't want me taking the vicodin much.  I am taking Ultram ER, but it just doesn't seem to work.  The indocin isn't helping much anymore either.  Anyway, I have iced several times throughout the day and now am about to go take some meds and go to bed.  I think I will take the ultram ER, vicodin, and indocin tonight.  Maybe that will also help with sleep tonight and with my busy schedule tomorrow.  Anyway, if I feel like this tomorrow, I will be using my crutches tomorrow morning for the charity walk that I will be watching. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 26, 2008, 07:47:18 PM
Hi Farrah,
I forgot to ask you - are you using e-stim? It was a big help to my muscles when I couldnt do much with my leg. I think all the popping and shifting around is probably either scar tissue breaking (that can hurt) or just weak quads. I wouldnt think its anything more serious than that or your OS would know by your x-rays?

Hey I thought of something last night that I wanted to tell you. You know the way I told you youre very positive? Well what I was thinking about was that your posts are very positive to all of us cos they are so honest. Sometimes you tell us about the stuff you find hard and how it makes you feel. And that makes the rest of us feel that its ok to get frustrated cos we are not the only ones it happens to. So by you being honest and expressing yourself you actually help everyone else realise that its ok for them to feel that way too. If I came on here and everyone was doing brilliantly and full of joy all the time Id feel like I didnt fit in and that it would be wrong for me to have a moan cos no one would understand - but because you and others are honest and tell how it is and whats hard and how frustrating it is it helps me to feel im not alone and that im not some weirdo who is having the only hard time. So no matter what the content of your posts - so long as they are honest they are so helpful to everyone - and that makes for such a positive experience to all who read them!!!

AND - you always are so full of optimism and happy to report progress that i know even though sometimes youre finding things hard - you are gonna get through it cos youre a strong person.

So you see even when Im providing tea for all my friends Im still thinking of you :)

The popping could be tight tendons too - its hard to say - I had a lot of popping last year but it gradually eased off when my quads improved.

Hope you are feeling good and enjoy the charity walk tomorrow. Bring the crutches if you need them!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 26, 2008, 08:46:20 PM
Tanya!  Thanks so much for those comments.  It's nice when people have good things to say about another person!  Especially when they are down!  I try to be honest.  I hate being one of those "horror" stories though.  WHen new people are on the boards, I just can't help them b/c my experience was I guess unusual compared to the others here.  I am almost 4 months out and still can't walk.  There are people here that are walking at 6 weeks with no pain!  So I hate being one of those stories that can talk someone out of having this surgery.  It does help me to write on here though.  It is nice to share my thoughts and feelings and experiences with those having the same difficulties.  The last few days have been tough, but I am still trying to be positive about the outcome.  I know I still have muscle weakness, but I compared my two legs today and there isn't that much of a difference!  So this just tells me that I am getting stronger...obviously not strong enough. 

I don't have an e-stim machine and since I haven't really been going to PT in about a month now, I don't use it there either.  I used to do some exercises with it.  It would make sense to be able to use one of those at home and do quad sets or something.  I can do those all day at home.  That would definitely help the strength without causing a lot of pain....as long as I don't have to do an SLR or something.  I am very anxious for Monday to roll around.  I see my spine doctor in the morning and plan to talk to him about some advice on my knee situation.  He advised me back in October/November to not do the surgery.  Well I did it, and I can't turn back now.  So I want to see what advice he gives on what to do next.  He has connections to other OS's and would know if they are good or not.  So I'd be anxious to see what he recommends next.  I wouldn't mind going to see one of his OS's since it is close by to my office.  They wouldn't be a patella specialist probably, but it wouldn't hurt to see what they say.  Anyway, gotta go to my gymnastics meet now!!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 27, 2008, 03:30:17 AM
Doing well considering what all I have done today!  I did use crutches at the gymnastics meet, and that helped so much!!  I hate having so much pain with walking.  The crutches were like heaven for me today since it allowed me to get around without a lot of pain during walking.  I still have all the same amounts of pain, but it isn't worse after all I did today.  Once I got home and went back to my cane, the pain sucked so much during weight bearing.  Definitely getting old.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 27, 2008, 01:24:19 PM
Hi Farrah,
dont feel youre a horror story - youre just having a tough time right now - but it wont be like this forever, nothing stays the same.
i feel like im not much use in that way too cos my TTT was 20 years agao and i was dislocating again 3 years later and all since, and now look at me!!!

Its so important to express how you feel - its helps you and it helps others! otherwise youd be bottling it up inside and the stress would be very very bad for you. so get it all out here whenever you need to.

i think its amazing you keep so busy and keep doing all the stuff you always do - it says a lot that youre not just sitting at home waiting to improve you know?

Maybe you could look at getting a home e-stim? Most of the physio places rent them out by the month. It certainly wouldnt do any harm. I used to hurt a little after using mine at first, but I just turned down the intensity til it was ok. It really did help - it works backwards by telling your brain that there are muscles here so please grow some more neuromuscular connections - and you do get a good contraction with it - i dont think it helps build bulk cos there is no resistance, but it certainly wakes them up and makes whats there get stronger - well i went from no vmo at all to reasonable vmo in a few short months?

Good luck with your spine doctor - let us know how you get on!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 28, 2008, 02:37:16 AM
HEy Farrah

  How'd your meets go?  How are you feeling after todays meet?
My knee gave alittle today when I was walking and yesterday we took thekids tot he park and it has cut pieces of old tire as pading under the swings.  Needless to say I twisted both knees.  My surgery knee poped really loud andhurt pretty bad but is fine today.  My other one really doesnt like me anymore.  It hurts worse than before.  So depending on how it is in the mornig I may call the office and see if I can get in earlier.  I doubt it cause its usually pretty hard to get in but well see.
take it easy
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 28, 2008, 02:48:46 AM
Busy weekend is finally over!!  One of my gymnastics teams got 2nd place out of 13 teams today!!!  My other team doesn't compete until next weekend...another long weekend next week.  Anyway, one of my girls won 1st place on all 4 events, then all-around!!  She won first place in the state!!  The rest of me team got several awards too.  It was a great weekend in gymnastics.  I was very careful with myself.  I used my crutches during both meets.   My OS told me to keep myself as comfortable as possible.  Well using the crutches was keeping me comfortable.  I still had my usual pain, but it wasn't worse unless I took a wrong step or tripped on the crutches or something.  I just finished icing and plan to do my PT exercises soon.  I am suppose to hear back from my PT or OS tomorrow.  I go to my spine doctor tomorrow too. 

Something very scary happened to me today!  We got to the meet a bit early, so we walked over to the bleachers to sit and wait for a few minutes until they called all of us out.  Well we got to the bleachers and instead of using the stairs a few feet away, I started to go up the first bench.  Well all the girls were behind me and the other coach's hands were full.  I lost my balance and tried very hard to catch myself, but it didn't work and I fell backwards and was about to bust my butt until a mother caught me!!!  I was about to fall down off the bottom bleacher and onto the concrete floor on my back!  Normally I can playoff mishaps like that, but that was very scary and if it wasn't for that mother, I'd probably be in the hospital!  I luckily never had to put my surgery leg on the ground during this incident. 

Melissa, sorry about your knee situations over the weekend!  I hope you can get an apt with your OS earlier.  I know how it could be difficult.  My OS is driving me nuts about his apts.  I am no longer considered a Post Op patient, so I don't have priority anymore.  So I was lucky to get a 4 week follow up last time. If we do these Eufflexa injections earlier than scheduled, then they will make time for me like they did for my cortisone shot.  They are taking me seriously and trying to take care of me and help me.  I feel confident about that now.  4 months post op should not be the way it is for me.  Oh well.  I will get there. 

Well I have to get my laundry and such ready for next week.  Have a good one!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: GemmaLeigh on April 28, 2008, 08:35:39 AM
Sorry that you are STILL having problems farrah but CONGRATULATIONS on your success with your teams. That must have been really uplifting for you.

Gemma

xxx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 28, 2008, 10:32:13 AM
Hi Farrah,
thats great news about your teams - you must be thrilled!!

Im so sorry to hear about your scary incident - it could happen to anyone but its extra scary for us with our general lack of balance and fear of doing more damage.

Your OS should be treating you with more priority - you need to get him taking you more seriously or else ditch him for a new doc - I know its very hard to leave a doc that has operated on you but he is not following up enough - you shouldnt still have this much pain, and he needs to realise that!!

melissa - sorry your knees are playing up, i hope you get an earlier OS appointment.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 28, 2008, 04:18:45 PM
Wow congrats on your team wins!  That is awesome!  What a terrible fall that could have been.  Glad someone was there to catch you!  I think that is someof the hardest stuff I deal with...the fear of falling and making this worse.  Which I know that fear can cause even more problems.   
    I woke to a very swollen knee.  I didnt sleep well either.  Which I havent been sleeping well or pain free for a long time.  I am not able to get in to the OS any sooner.  Its not an emergency so I amnot worried.  I think I did way to much stuff this weekend and that plays into the swelling on top of the twisting of the knees.  Thankfully I am not in pain. 
    Hope you are doing well today!

Tanya thanks!  I will be glad to find out what is up with my left knee and get my rt knee strengthened to the point I can climb up and down stairs without using a cain.  That is my goal cain free and climbing stairs without pain, or being fearfull of falling.

have a great day ladies
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 28, 2008, 07:31:56 PM
I am at the point where I can't walk again!  Not just struggling, but can't do it!  I want my crutches back!!  NOW! I am calling PT to remind her to talk to my OS today. 

Spine Doctor went well.  He says to stick with my current doctor b/c he is the best! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on April 28, 2008, 11:32:08 PM
Congrats on your success this weekend.   Wish you felt better, I know it's been very frustrating. Did your spine doctor say "I told you so"  or was he good about the whole thing?


Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 28, 2008, 11:58:39 PM
Diane, my spine doctor didn't say I told you so.  He was actually pretty supportive about it. 

I am not doing well.  I just got home from work and I am going to take some pain medicine and go to bed.  The pain has gotten really bad today.   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  Going to bed now :(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on April 29, 2008, 01:56:15 AM
Farrah
Sorry to hear you had such a miserable Monday and that the walking is so painful again.  Hopefully you climbed in bed after your last post and are snoozing away and will wake up feeling better.  Think about what a busy weekend you just had, your body needs a good long rest. 
Hang in there-
Oh and I hadn't e-mailed you yesterday since your good gymnastic news-great for your team (must be the wonderfu coaches!!!)
Good Night!
Carol

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 29, 2008, 12:26:29 PM
I went to bed around 7:30pm last night and woke up several times throughout the night with pain.  Then woke up at 5:30am to get ready for work. So I kind of got a lot of sleep and hoped I'd feel better, but I don't.  I just got to work and wished I had called in sick. Oh well!  I am suppose to hear from my OS and PT today. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 29, 2008, 12:38:04 PM
I AM SAD TO SAY THAT I AM 4 MONTHS POST OP TODAY! :(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 29, 2008, 01:46:21 PM
Hi Farrah,
Im sorry. Im sorry you are having such a bad time with pain and lack of progress. Its not fair on you - and you dont need it!!!

I really hope you hear from your OS today. You are 4 months out - you should not be experiencing these things. You need to insist that something has to change - he has to review his work and come up with a plan for you.

Please dont feel down - there is an answer somewhere, there has to be.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on April 29, 2008, 04:46:19 PM
Hi Farrah,
Tanya is right there has got to be an answer out there for you.  It just stinks that you are having to go through so much to find it.
Any word yet from your PT?  Wasn't she supposed to speak with the OS yesterday?
Has your OS mentioned if he has had any other patients with this tough of a recovery and if so what the solution was.  You mentioned that your OS is very well ranked in Atlanta so I am assuming he does a good deal of these....
You have been working so hard for so long and you deserve some progress.
Hope your afternoon ends up better than your morning started.
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 29, 2008, 06:36:20 PM
Sorry you are in so much pain today.  I got brave and called my OS.  I posted on my diary the results of the MRI. Looks like surgery again.  UGH!  Hoe you get that call soon!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 29, 2008, 06:58:08 PM
I talked to my PT finally.  She said my OS was suppose to call.  Since they are in surgery, he may not call me until tomorrow.  She told me pretty much what he is going to tell me though.  I don't know how much more will be added.  She said he definitely wants me to hold on PT for at least a month since PT makes it so much worse for so many days after it.  She said he still wants me to use the cane.  I asked her how am I suppose to get stronger?  She said well they just can't do PT if it is going to make it worse.  So pain will not make me stronger.  So I said fine.  I am going to continue to wait and hear back from my OS to see if he has anything else to add.

I am still sad.   :'( :'( :( :(  The pain has eased a little since this morning, but still can't walk. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on April 29, 2008, 07:14:20 PM
Farrah,  I wish I had some great advise for you.  I know how frustrating it is to continue to fight to get better and not get anywhere.  The only suggestion I have is maybe try some light heat to help with the pain.  I find that sometimes my pain responds better to heat then ice..I have no idea why!  Try not to overdo things..that will help too.

You just have to keep your chin up kid.  I have been fighting a long time. I've had too many surgeries...I have all the snaps, clicks, crunches, pops, and cluncks that anyone would want (damn sounds like Rice Crispies).  Yea,  you get tired of fighting...I know.  But you just have to keep on going.  I have days where i just want to curl up in a ball...can't do that.  So...Try to take it easy and give you knee as much rest as you can.  Have some good snuggle time with the puppies!

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on April 29, 2008, 07:28:39 PM
Oh Farrah

First of all a big hugbecause I wish I could help more and take the pain away  :-*

Congratulations on your gymnastics team and your girl doing so well - you must be proud - its cause they have a great coach in you  ;D

I am so sad that life is so tough on you just now. I wish there was something your OS could do for you. Whenever you need to vent you know where we are and we are willing you on. This sucks and makes every day feel like a week. You are in my thoughts  :-*
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 29, 2008, 08:10:29 PM
So I finally bit the bullet and am getting a second opinion. I called my current OS and requested my records.  I had to fax the request and they will send them to my home. I called another OS's office and got 6 names of OS's to research.  She said b/c it is so early out of surgery I need to have 100% of records.  :( I hope my OS doesn't think anything of it.  I really want to stick with him.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on April 29, 2008, 08:27:56 PM
Good for you Farrah...If your OS does think something of it then he is just too stuck on himself...There is nothing wrong with you taking responsibility if your own health!

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on April 29, 2008, 10:58:29 PM

Hi Farrah,
Good for you making the choice to be proactive and looking into a second opinion.  Even if you do choose to remain with your current OS at least you will have the benefit of another perspective to help you mentally.  I wouldn't worry about the records request and your current OS-in a big OS practice like that he may not even know about as all that paperwork is dealt with by the records dept.  Plus you need to take care of you.  Good Dr.s know that people need/want other opinions and many Dr.s even encourage patients to seek other opinions in helping to make decisions.
Here's a thought-last year US News and World Report published a report of the Nations's top hospitals broken down by specialty.  In the OS listings they have a hospital in Birmginham which I know is not too far from Atlanta (b/c we flew in there once to get to Atlanta).  Perhaps you could call their referral line for a recommendation in Atlanta?????   Just a thought-it sounds like you are jumping right on the research portion but since I want to offer some sort of support or help I thought I would throw it out there.
I pasted a link to the article below-although I am not the most computer savy (as you have probably figured out from my e-mails) but I gave it a try.....
Hope your pain is okay this afternoon-
Carol

http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/best-hospitals/search.php?spec=ihqorth&start=0&
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 30, 2008, 01:56:17 AM
I have never been so sad and upset in my life.  I had to control my tears all day at work.  Once I got in my car to drive to coach, I just let it all out.  People probably thought someone died or something.  I know a 2nd opinion is the right thing to do, but I really like my OS!  I know they are great.  I just think they are either not telling me something or are overlooking something.  I am sticking with the 2nd opinion.  My next current OS apt is May 16th (2.5 weeks).  No matter what, that is how long my PT break will be.  She said to keep with my home stupid exercises and keep icing.  I am doing all of that...been doing it for months!  What really sucks is that my OS said at my April 17 apt that he thinks my pain is still from muscle weakness and to do PT until my May 16th apt.  Well now he says to stop PT until that apt.  How am I suppose to get stronger and feel better if I am not doing more PT??  I asked that to my PT and she said that they just can't do anything with me b/c I am in too much pain with it and they need to figure out exactly where it is coming from.  WHATEVER!  THey just want to get rid of me and hope I never come back!  I don't know if that is it or if they care.  I don't feel like they care since my OS can't call me back! 

I am wreck.  My OS never called me today.  I hope he calls tomorrow.  I have lots of questions.  I want to see if I can start taking my meds again and use my crutches.  Driving is so bad.  The pain once I get to wherever is just the worst.  I can't breathe with every step b/c it hurts too badly.  I can't bend it or straighten it all.  Weight bearing really sucks after driving.  This is lasting too long.  I am not in constant pain, but as soon as I move the slightest bit, it hurts so much until I stop moving.  Sometimes stopping doesn't help either.  I shouldn't be like this.  I should be freakin' walking. I am taking care of myself.  I am not standing and coaching, I am not walking hardly at all at work, and I sit, ice, and do PT once I get home.  I haven't been taking the vicodin b/c I am just not in a ton of constant pain.  The meds don't help with the pain with movement.  They didn't want me taking them anymore anyway.  If they recommend getting back on them, then I will try it again.  I just don't want to get hooked. 

I am not happy.  NOT AT ALL!  My husband thinks I hate him, but he doesn't understand how upset I am about my knee frustrations.  I haev been crying for a week or so.

Farrah

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 30, 2008, 09:44:56 AM
Hi Farrah,
First of all - Im SO SORRY you are having such a hard time with this - I wish I could come over there and give you a big hug, tuck you into the couch and give you tea and cookies.

Im SOOOOOO glad you are going for a second opinion. You need to. Your relationship with your OS wont suffer at all - he will be professional enough to realise that this is the right thing to do (he might not even know cos as Carol says a lot of times OSs wouldnt know whats going on about paperwork etc..).
 
Your intuitions could well be correct - he may not be telling you something or he may have missed something - a fresh set of eyes will do no harm whatsoever and it may also show up something your current guy is missing.

One thing is for sure Farrah - you cant go on like this, you need something to change, all you seem to be getting told to do is hold off physio and thats not helping you right now anyway so something NEEDS to change for you.

I know you must feel nervous and all at the thoughts of a new OS but that will be ok - just explain whats going on and that you need a second opinion cos you havent made progress - OSs are always being consulted for second opinions.

You may also get some info out of your medical notes that hasnt been said out loud.

My boyfriend thought that I hated him a while ago too AND he thought I was ready to commit suicide - its very hard to understand when youre not the person suffering. I bet he does understand, he just doesnt know what to do to help. Just tell him that he is to support whatever decisions you make and bring him to appointments so he can make noise also - thats what I do now so my boyfriend feels more involved and understands things better.
xxx



Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on April 30, 2008, 01:01:52 PM
Hi Farrah, so glad to hear you are going for a second opinion!!!  I'm wishing you all the best!!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: kathat on April 30, 2008, 01:49:10 PM
Hi Farrah,

I just wanted to say not to worry so much about not doing PT. You are unlikely to build up strength while you are having pain issues anyway, so going to PT sort of defeats the purpose and puts you in more pain. You may find you luck out and find a really simple exercise you can do with no pain - even just letting your leg hang and using your quad to swing it around is keeping your muscles active. Or contracting your quad as much as you can with no pain as often as you can. Play around and see what you can do that doesn't set off the pain, even if it's just a small thing. It might make all the difference. The rest might also give things a chance to settle down - my PT says that when my pain is bad that I need to rest and not exercise, and only exercise when the irritation has settled. Needless to say, I don't get much exercise done at the moment  :P But I am slowly getting some strength back, so there must be something in what he says. I am glad to hear you are getting a second opinion. A fresh set of eyes might help. Good luck!!

Kathy
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on April 30, 2008, 02:12:48 PM
Farrah,

Sorry to hear you are struggling so much.

A second opinion is definitely a really good idea.

It may be worth taking some of your pain meds to get it under control.

Tomorrow it is 3 weeks till my operation and starting to freak out a bit !!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 30, 2008, 02:58:46 PM
I have patella alta for one.  Before surgery, I had grade III chondramalacia caused by patella subluxation.  My cartilage is worn 1mm from the bone. We compared today's x-rays to Pre Op x-rays, and my patella is still tilted, but is in the correct place now.  I still have lots of obvious muscle weakness that he thinks is causing the tilt. He said that most of my pain is coming from my cartilage issues. 

Farrah 
      You have a lot going on there. It seems to me that with everything you have told us is going on with your knee that the pain is not from weak muscles.  I am sure that plays a part but like you said you are 4 mo PO and that in itself sould give you some muscle strength because of the home PT exercises you are doing.  Remember that is all I have done is home PT and still am and I am gaining strength.  I have just now added 1 lb weights to my exercises.
  What kind of pain were you in before the surgery?  I ask because if the pain you are in has increased since having the surgery then there is definately more going on than your OS knows or wants to admit.  I definitly think getting a second opinion is the way to go.
    As for wanting to use the crutches then do it!  You have to do what is best for you and if that means crutches then get the crutches back out.  Honestly who cares what people think!  You are in pain and you need relief and if the crutches help with that then use them.  Your OS just has to realize that the cain is not helping like you had hoped.  You don't need his permission to use the crutches or the meds.  You need to think about your self and not what he thinks or says about the crutches.  He isn't the one in pain!  Yes follow his recommendations but if you are in pain the scratch what he says and do what you need to do to get pain relief.
    Farrah, I am concerned about you.  Do you realize that you are depressed?! You have every right to be.  You had hoped the surgery would fix things and it seems to have made things worse.  Your life has changed and that is hard to deal with too. You may want to talk to someone other than us, a counselor or something.  You have to open up to your husband and let him know how this is effecting you and let him tell you how it is effecting him.  It will help for both of you to open up to each other.  He probably feels helpless and men hate feeling like they can't fix things.  He probably needs to know that you are in need of him and his support.
    Praying for relief for you!
    Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 30, 2008, 03:25:50 PM
Farrah if you werent depressed with all thats going on you woudnt be human - melissa makes a good point about maybe talking to someone about it?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 30, 2008, 06:06:20 PM
Thanks so much everyone for all of your comments and support.  I am happy that I am going with the 2nd opinion.  I called my current OS's office and left a message for him to call me back so I can talk more about the next few weeks until my apt.  I heard it from my PT, but I want to hear it from him. 

As for pain before my surgery, I couldn't do stairs, any type of exercising, tennis was very difficult, and lots of other things.  Sometimes the pain was constant.  I couldn't walk very well b/c of the pain.  This is all still going on with my left knee.  I think the problem with my surgery knee is that my knee cap is in a different place and is rubbing on the cartilage in a different way?  Not sure. 

I am pretty sure I am depressed.  In the last 4 months, I have not done much with any friends.  I used to call them and e-mail them all the time, but I don't do that anymore.  The only people I ever go to lunch or dinner with are coworkers in architecture and gymnastics.  When I come home, I want to lay down and watch tv and do nothing.  I don't ever want to talk to my parents anymore.  My husband went out of town last Thursday through Sunday and I was happy to be by myself.  I never told him that and I hated thinking it!  Everytime he calls me at work or e-mails me, I am very short with him and anxious to get off the phone.  I don't talk with him at home much either.  I am so upset that I missed my period!!!  I have NEVER missed one!  I know I am not pregnant b/c I haven't wanted to do anything with my husband in about 6 weeks!  I am a horrible wife!  I also never want people over b/c I never want to talk to anyone.  My marriage will fall apart if this continues!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on April 30, 2008, 06:15:49 PM
Farrah,  You are not a horrible wife....You are going through a difficult situation.  Right now the best thing you can do for your marrage is sit your hubby down and explain exactly what you are going through and how it is making you feel.  You have to be open and honest about this and let him know how it is effecting you.  If you two can keep communicating you can get through this.

Now cheer up...You have made a very wise decision to get a 2nd opinion!  It may take some time but you can get through this.  You need to keep your chin up. 

Karen   
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on April 30, 2008, 07:14:40 PM
Hi Farrah,
youre so not a horrible wife!!! Youre just going through a very difficult time right now. Im sure your husband does understand, but if you explain to him exactly how bad its making you feel it might at least help you not to be feeling so bad about it.
Ive skipped a couple of periods in the past while too - from being stressed - and Im on the pill so I should not be missing periods!! Ive also fallen away socially as its too much hassle for me to get out and about - my friends understand and visit me at home or we organise things in the local pub that I can drive to and just walk in the door and sit. Sometimes its best to have a big explosion of upset to get it out of your system (works for me anyway) - last time I was very low I called a good friend and just cried down the phone, she was shocked but great - she then called other friends and explained to them what was going on. I also have had a number of screaming loony woman episodes with my boyfriend and even though its horrible at the time it does clear the air and he realises how much its getting me down when its like that.
Id hardly expect you to be interested in the bedroom with your husband right now - if you are in pain so much you just cant think past it and that is totally normal.
Do you think you should ask your GP about seeing a counseller or going on anti depressants for a while? My GP offered me anti depressants last time and I only said no cos I had the second opinion coming up and as I explained to her, if my knee was being taken care of and fixed i wouldnt BE depressed, so she said to see what happened with that appointment and come back if I needed to. I wouldnt hesitate to go back if I felt so down about it again. Its only that someone is investigating me now that my mood has improved.

Its so good youre going for the second opinion - you will feel better mentally knowing that there is a new chance of answers with it.

And Farrah - if the new guy hasnt got the answers then you will find another guy, and another until there is an answer - because someone has to know whats going on and how to fix it.

Im thinking of you and I dont like to think youre down, so heres a hug to help <<hug>>
xxx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on April 30, 2008, 07:48:29 PM
<<<<<<HUGS>>>>>>>

Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on April 30, 2008, 09:16:02 PM
For starters, I have an apt on Monday, May 5th at 2:45pm near my office.  It is a sports med doctor who will evaluate me then let me know what he thinks right away.  I will go from there.  I will go see 5 OSes if I have to. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: fettucine1990 on April 30, 2008, 10:03:40 PM
Hi there Farrah
Making that appt is a good start and a good attitude so good for you!  I have been wondering how you were doing all day.  Tanya said it exactly right that if you weren't depressed with all this then you wouldn't be human.  As for going to talk to someone it really does make sense.  In fact the Sports MEdicine practice that I go to has counselers within their team-for the exact purpose of helping people with  recovery and the mental aspect of it.  She had actually given me the name of one when I was having a hard time mentally dealing with the crap I had going on with my blood clot/coumadin adverse reaction, etc.  I never ended up going but I remember feeling better just knowing that the mental part of recovery is so HUGE that it wouldn't have been out of the ordinary to need some support.  Considering how challenging your recovery is then by all means look for any support you can find.
I hope that having the appt for next week is keeping you going and looking forward.  Perhaps you will hear back from your OS or PA in the meantime.
Thinking good thoughts for you from up here in CT.....
Carol
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 01, 2008, 12:42:00 AM
So I have some more news.  Not sure if it is good or bad or what to really think.  On my way home from work, my OS's PA called.  He told me he talked to my PT.  He asked how I was, and I told him very very frustrated (I had a crack in my voice trying not to cry).  He said he talked to my OS this afternoon about potentially scoping my knee to see where the pain is coming from.  He said they didn't finish this discussion b/c they had to go into surgery.  So until then I am to take extra indocin daily to see how that feels.  He then will continue the discussion with my OS and call me by Friday or Monday to see if they want to get me in to an apt earlier than May 16th.  We'll see how it goes.  I am not holding my breath about the scope.  I am not worried about the surgery at all.  If they are willing to do more research inside my knee, then go for it.  I would probably only be out of work for 1-2 days depending on when it is.  I will not have to pay for it since I have already paid my deductible for the year.  He told me how frustrated I must be and how frustrated they were.  He kept pausing on the phone and asking me tons of questions.  He asked me if my pain was as bad as before the cortisone.  I said not quite that bad, but getting there.  He said, "shoot."  I thought that was funny (but I didn't laugh).  He said that maybe another solution may be to take some higher doses of hydrocodone since the lower doses don't help with walking or any movement.  I told him I was taking Ultram ER and he was happy about that, but understood that it doesn't really help my knees at all...my back doctor prescribed it and it helps my back some.  He asked if it at least took the edge off...I replied yes, a little but still can't do anything.  I am thrilled that I am getting them to think though.  The fact that today before another person's surgery, they were talking about a solution for me.  So they are thinking.  I like that.  I am sticking with my 2nd opinion on Monday no matter what happens with my current OS.  So I am kind of proud of my decisions lately and I am still not happy, but I am not quite as sad either....still sitting here in tears, but I think it may be more about them trying to help and not trying to get rid of me. Anyway, I think I may be able to sleep tonight now. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 01, 2008, 09:29:06 AM
Farrah - thats great news!
I think you are making fantastic decisions, definitely stick with going for the second opinion - all it is is an opinion - he doesnt have to cut you open, just review the case and give his thoughts right? And now the current guy is thinking about things (like he should have ages ago!!), so that means that they want to know whats happening and how to help.
A scope wont do any harm given your current situation - im like you - let them in and have a look. I wonder could it possibly be something very simple like a bone spur thats grown in a place thats causing inflammation? Or a simple oversight from your previous surgery?
Who knows eh? But thats why you gotta let them take a look.

Well done - you have been holding up amazingly well, making all the best decisions for yourself. I really really hope this new train of thought with your current OS goes somewhere positive and absolutely go for the second opinion regardless. Its all good news.
xx

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 01, 2008, 10:45:20 AM
So I finally decided to have a heart to heart with my husband.  Long long night!  All my emotions from the past few weeks rushed back in my head as well as all the problems my husband is having with us.  He just doesn't understand how this knee injury is affecting me!  I don't know what else to do about us.  He still supports me, but he complains that everything is about me.  What am I suppose to say to that?  Right now it is about me b/c I am depressed and need my knee to get better.  If I stop thinking about me, then it will just get worse, right? 

Anyway, as for my knee.  Same pain as always.  After talking with my PA last night, I realized that if I was still in PT that I wouldn't be able to sleep at all or be able to walk at all with my cane.  Right now the cane walking is painful, but not always.  Sometimes I can do it right, but most of the time I am still limping with it.  I find myself pushing the cane so hard that my hand cramps up.  That is me trying to get the weight off my surgery leg I guess.  If I was still in PT it would be a lot worse.  At least it is staying the same!  I still wouldn't be able to live like this in any way whatsoever.  I can't wait to hear back from my OS's office tomorrow or Monday.  Meanwhile I have that other apt on Monday.  No matter how sad I am, I am still happy about my decisions to do something about it.  I am glad that staying with my current OS could work out also.  I am afraid that if they don't know what else to do though, that nobody else would either!  I really think that greatly of my OS.  He is the best here!  I feel like my apt on Monday is with the 2nd or 3rd or 4th best!  Oh well. It wouldn't hurt to go.  My thoughts for today!   :-\  My first smile in a while :) 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 01, 2008, 10:49:02 AM
Farrah,  Now you're talking.  A long discussion with hubby and a scope lined up to look at your knee.  You really are a strong one!  You'll get through this just fine.  Great to see your smile on here.   ;D 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 01, 2008, 10:59:08 AM
Farrah,
if you wanted I could get my fiance to type up a mail for me to pm you to read to your husband explaining how he deals with MY knee issues? It totally affects him too, we cant do things that he'd like to do, everything has to be organised around my knee and any walking, he has to put up with my moods and how depressed i get after it goes out of joint etc....? Just a thought, im sure he would do it if I asked him to?

Dont feel that youre seeing a less good OS - the point is that youre seeing someone who can give a different perspective. Dont forget that even in the best of circumstances a persons ego can prevent them from seeing where they might have gone wrong, or if someone is very close to the situation they can find it difficult to look at it in a new way.
Monday - thats so quick - thats the second opinion right?

Chin up - you are doing all the right things.
xx

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 01, 2008, 11:08:59 AM
Tanya, thanks for offering your boyfriend to type up something.  I don't think that my husband would read it though to be honest.  He blames all this on me and he did nothing wrong.  We have been dealing with my knee problems for 6 years now, but this surgery has put it over the top.  He is frustrated that all he hears from me is that I am in pain every night.  He doesn't like knowing that.  He is not happy with the doctors and think they did everything wrong, but he is supporting the potential scope surgery.  THings will improve eventually.  I hope it doesn't get worse after the potential scope!

2nd opinion is Monday.  They operate weirdly at the clinic I am going to.  They have a huge slew of sports medicine doctors.  So a new patient goes to see one of these guys.  They evaluate you and refer you to an OS if they need to.  If you don't need an OS, then the sports med doctor will treat you nonoperatively.  So we'll see how it goes. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 01, 2008, 11:21:03 AM
Ill ask him verbally anyway Farrah and just tell you what he says? I think he may have extra compassion cos his father had a terrible motorcycle crash at 18 years of age that ruined one ankle, so he has grown up dealing with his dads ankle problems, which led to hip problems etc....so i think he is naturally inclined to be more understanding than an average guy just because he has been exposed to a family members orthopediac problems since he was born.

Nobody in this situation has done anything wrong - certainly not you Farrah - its just one of those unfortunate things that can happen to someone. Never ever blame yourself, there was nothing you could have done to change any of this, and even if you could have whats relevant is the situation as it stands right now. Its probably mostly frustration on your husbands behalf, it is very frustrating to see someone you love in pain and not be able to do anything about it. But this wont last forever - so just know its only going to be difficult for a time, not always.

That sounds good about the new clinic - means you will get referred to whoever would suit your needs best also.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 01, 2008, 02:20:36 PM
Hi Farrah,

I think it's great you are going to see a sports medicine doctor. They often have other ideas and may have some suggestions to better manage your pain levels.

It sounds like you are definitely suffering from depression and need to get this addressed ASAP before it gets worse. Chronic medical problems can be a catalyst for getting depression. Please do me a favour and see your GP about it.

Good luck with your appointment on Monday.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: kathat on May 01, 2008, 03:07:11 PM
Hi Farrah,

I agree that possible treatment for depression may benefit you, and even some form of therapy sessions for you and hubby (though I know how resistive men can be about things like that!). I work in rehab and many of our patients are put on anti-depressants for what they call "reactive depression", in other words depression that comes as a result of massive life changes. It's extremely common.

It took my hubby a while to see how much my knees impacted my life. He was still hoping to get his tennis partner back for ages. Then he ended up with plantar fasciitis and found out how difficult it can be to manage things when there is frequent pain that affects every step. He has a bit more understanding now. I also rarely mention my knees. If he walks too fast I just walk at my pace and wait for him to realise that I am not keeping up, rather than reminding him verbally. I do my crying at home alone, and try to make time to spend with him watching TV or fishing, so that if I opt out of doing something more active he doesn't feel like I am rejecting him. It's hard to keep a smile on my face some days, but I have found that it's my company he values and he's not bothered if I sit in a chair and watch him play tennis, or if our holidays are spent sitting by the river fishing (which he loves but I am not too keen on) instead of traipsing around the countryside. I have had to give in a bit and do things I am not particularly keen on (fishing, watching TV, staying up late with him when I really need an early night), just to show him I care about him and am not using my knees as an excuse not to do things with him. He has had to pick up a lot of extra jobs around the house due to my knees and I feel I owe him something in return.

I don't know if you have ever read "What Katy Did". It's a children's novel about a girl who injured herself in a fall. I remember the part where she was confined to bed and didn't care about her appearance and was grumpy because she was in pain and nobody wanted to visit her so she felt isolated and unwanted. She ended up learning that if she brushed her hair and made her room a nice place to be then people would seek her out and want to be with her. In return she found that she got great comfort from their visits and the family would all seek her out for advise and she could forget about her pain for a while. And she also had a great support network as a result. I always remember this and try hard not to complain endlessly about my knees. I figure my hubby knows I have knee problems and doesn't want to be reminded about it constantly. I try to talk to other people about any knee issues I might have (this board is great for that) and not burden one person too much with my problems. It is certainly hard, as a partner is a handy person to dump everything on and get comfort from, but I try and remember what one of my friends was like - she was always complaining about something and being in her company was very draining, even though I liked her and had lots in common with her. I don't mean to preach, so please don't take this all the wrong way, but maybe you might need to find someone else to talk to so you can unburden your hubby a bit. Maybe find a counsellor if you don't have some close friends to share the emotions with. They may have some suggestions to help take the stress off the relationship. Your hubby has been strong enough to stick with you so far, so it sound like he's a keeper. And please don't think I am blaming you for anything either. It is natural to share your grief with your husband, and his feelings are just as natural, as he is grieving for what used to be.

I really hope you find some way to resolve your relationship problems, as it is the last thing you need on your plate right now. In rehab facilities they frequently have a psychologist who visits the patients regularly, as any injury/surgery requiring long term rehab causes all sorts of stress, on relationships with partners, family and friends, as well as causing depression and coping difficulties. The patients who rehab at home often get forgotten when it comes to emotional wellbeing. So please think about talking to someone professional about how you feel and about your relationship issues. I think you have too many burdens to cope alone.

Good luck for your appointment on Monday - well done for having the guts to seek a second opinion when you have such regard for your current OS. It's not an easy thing to do.

Take care and (((((((HUGS)))))))

Kathy
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 01, 2008, 04:07:57 PM
begod Kathy - such wisdom for a young one like yourself!!!

i wholeheartedly agree with all you have said there - you have a great handle on how to deal with the mental side of knee problems.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 01, 2008, 06:09:08 PM
Kathy, thanks for your advice! I PMed you earlier.  I know you are probably sleeping right now. 

Everyone, I appreciate your care and concerns!!  I am going to wait until next week after I hear back from my OS and after my 2nd opinion to get any professional help for depression. I think that at least talking to a new doctor could make me feel better mentally. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 02, 2008, 03:18:44 AM
So I felt much better mentally today!  I was much more energetic, but still don't have much of an appetite or will to talk to friends or family.  My husband and I are currently sitting on the couch together with both dogs in our laps right now while I e-mail.  We already cuddled, then I said I had to check my e-mail :)  This is nice though...sitting together.  We are watching some documentary about tearing up old airplanes.  He is also mimicking some old quotes from some movies.  He is hilarious.  He does a great Irish accent! :)  He came to see me at coaching tonight!!  It was so awesome to see him during coaching!  I gave him a huge hug and a kiss.  When he left, all the gymnasts and some coaches were telling me how cute he was!!  I just smiled and said I know :) 

I am sorry my mood goes up and down...anything can bring me down again, so I am not holding my breath on anything.

Same old pain.  The extra indocin doesn't help. 

Okay...so more good things to say tonight. I e-mailed my old PT what has been going on since he asked for an update after my craziness last week after PT.  So I told him about the potential scope and moving my current May 16th apt up by request of my OS.  I also told him about my 2nd opinion.  I told him what doctor's office I was going to and how it was going to work as far as seeing the first sports med doc and then getting referred to an OS if needed.  He said that was a great place to go!  I specifically asked him of some names of good OS's.  He didn't give me any new ones b/c he said stick with where I made the apt b/c they are great.  Well he told me if I was referred to one of their OS's to see Dr. X!  I did tell him that I know he suggested going out of town, but I am not worried.  He didn't argue about it, but gave his support.  He asked for more updates after the next few days are up. 

So I think I am feeling mentally a bit better b/c there is a plan now.  I don't feel like I was told to just deal with it and come back in a few weeks like my PT told me on Tuesday. 

I should hear back from my OS either tomorrow evening or Monday evening.  They usually call me between 5:45pm-6:30pm during the week.  So we'll see.  I hope they call me tomorrow so I don't have to think about it all weekend. 

Bed time now!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 02, 2008, 09:06:19 AM
Hi Farrah,
oh it was so good to read your last post. Im delighted to hear you are feeling better in the head!!! Its so important, we can go through anything but if our mood is low its so much harder. Thats great about you and your husband getting along so much better, and both making good efforts for each other. Now I have to say - Ill be the judge of the Irish accents!!! And you never told us he was so cute that all the ladies loved him!!!! Thats great Farrah = well done for expressing yourself with him and talking out all your issues.

Im glad your old PT is being so supportive also - you need all the support you can get. Its great you have this appointment Monday - the less waiting around the better.
xxx

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 02, 2008, 11:04:59 AM
Hey Tanya, my husband was mimicking that big guy from Austin Powers...the one with all the hair.  I think it is the 2nd or 3rd movie.  He was hilarious last night!!

So I have attached two pictures of my husband...one of just him and the other of us.  These were taken last year in Jacksonville, Florida (5 hrs away from home). 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 02, 2008, 11:06:14 AM
Here is another picture of me working on my laptop 2 weeks ago.  My dogs had to be near me!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 02, 2008, 11:18:47 AM
Hi Farrah,

So pleased that you are doing better mentally right now. Great you have the support from your old PT. I really wonder whether you would be better going back to them. They seem sooo much supportive than your current PT.

I think you are definitely heading in the right direction by getting another opinion from a sports medicine doctor.

Definitely seek some professional help for depression. I am now seeing a sports psychologist and has helped me immensely.

My sports physician is just awesome. If it wasn't for him I wouldn't be where I am today. Nowadays I see him for general medicine too as it was getting too complicated seeing so many medicos.

Today I started freaking out big time about my surgery. It is 2 weeks and 6 days till my surgery. Just soooo scared my OS is going to find more damage.

Have a good weekend !!!  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 02, 2008, 02:14:37 PM
My hair is falling out!!  I heard that could happen with stress!  It just started today!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 02, 2008, 03:06:12 PM
Hi Farrah,
theyre great pics of you and your husband! he IS a cutie!! (and so are you!!), but the CUTEST of them all are the dogs!!!! SOOOO CUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes - i heard hair can fall out with stress too - how much fell out? Dont worry, it grows back and all - Id definitely ask your GP about that though.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: WorkinWings on May 02, 2008, 03:29:34 PM
Hi Farrah,
I had the same problem with my hair last year, and it took some beating my PCP upside the head to get him to investigate.  He kept saying it was stress, but I had started doing a little research and wanted to make sure it wasn't vitamin D deficiency.  The test was finally ordered and came back positive.  I've been taking supplements, and the hair did grow back, then started falling out again at the end of winter--no sunshine...  It's coming back now that I've tried to spend more time outdoors this spring.
Just a thought...
Angela
PS-cute dogs+cute couple! ;)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 02, 2008, 04:00:30 PM
Figured it was easier to ask forgiveness than permission :)

So here is me and him on Halloween 2006, my birthday in 2005, and just one of him looking a bit dozy :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 02, 2008, 04:01:27 PM
ooops - only one attached, here is halloween:
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 02, 2008, 04:02:24 PM
and here is my birthday 2005:
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 02, 2008, 05:49:55 PM
Great Pics Farrah and Tanya!
 
Farrah I am so happy that you and hubby have talked.  Sometimes all it takes is a little snuggle time to get the man to realize that you still love them but need them to understand how much you hurt.  Its great that you have the support from your previous PT.  THat has to help knowing someone out there is willing to help you even if its just by talking and giving advice.  I hope you have a restful weekend!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on May 02, 2008, 09:44:38 PM
Farrah, he is a real cutie and so are you and of course the dogs.  Good luck with your appointment on Monday and seek all of the help you can get.   Not to get into trouble with the guys on the board, but a some guys just need attention and then everything is fine again. 

It is hard on both parties to not be able to do the things you are used to doing together, maybe you could find something else that you both can do?   We've had to change as we've gotten older and one or the other of us couldn't do something anymore.  Really pretty much down to rides in the car and watching TV right now.  It'll change again by the end of the year, and who knows what it'll be.  I used to think that golf was stupid, but after it became one of the things we used to do together, I kinda miss it. 

Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 02, 2008, 11:28:09 PM
Thanks for the husband and dog complements!!  I love my husband so much!!  His looks are what made me look at him in the first place...then he won me over with his personality!  He is a goofball...just like me :)   ;D

I have attached two wedding pictures now.  One is of us (1.5 years ago) and the other is of all of my bridesmaids and my shoes.  I had to wear athletic shoes b/c of my bad back and bad knees.  The shoes worked well with my personality though!! 

Now for my knees....killing me right now.  At gymnastics, I had to stand up for 20 minutes!!!  Now I am paying for it!!  It is nice and swollen and painful.  I just finished icing and plan to do it again after dinner.  Matt (my husband) wants to take me out tonight to Mexican food.  I hope my pain subsides some before that, otherwise it will be a very rushed dinner to get out of there. 

I posted this on Tanya's pre op diary, but I figured I could add it here and get some opinions.  For the past few months or so (badly for the past week) I have had some problems with my knee cap shifting or something.  Most of the problem is from straightening to bending from either sitting or standing.  I try not to use my muscles to do these movements and put most of the work on my other leg.  Well no matter what I do, about 50% of the time, something feels like it shifts.  Sometimes it is a very sickening feeling.  I can see it moving over.  It is so weird.  Othertimes something just feels like it is in the wrong place and I have straighten it out again before trying to bend again.  The sickening problem is the one  that is the biggest concern.  It makes me want to throw up!!  The other problem I have been having is that if I have my leg sitting at 90 degrees and then straighten it, sometimes, gets stuck or something and feels like if I keep straightening it that something will break.  When it gets to a certain point, that pain is a #9!!   I don't know if these are muscle weakness issues, but they are very uncomfortable feelings.  It makes me think about every step when I walk just to make sure I don't step wrong.  Then when I get in and out of my office chair or while driving, I am very careful about moving.  I have to do it very slowly in case whatever it is is in the wrong place and will hurt.  On top of all this, I still have all the pain while moving and walking and such.  WHATEVER!!  Any ideas??  I know I am seeing an OS on Monday, but I don't know if all this is normal. 

I attached my pictures....

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: sailchic on May 03, 2008, 02:52:38 AM
I LOVE the sneakers!  Fancy shoes are way over rated.  :)  When my day comes I'll proudly be sporting flip flops, even if it's december in new england. I'm known around my office for always wearing them and just keeping my "meeting shoes" under my desk. 

As far as your knee, to me it sounds like it's subluxing which could totally be related to muscle weakness.  I know you've been rocking your PT as hard as you can but so was I and mine did a few major sublux's a couple of weeks back and has been thunking around quite a bit as well. (I'm used to it though since it's been doing that for years and the right one does it a lot too) Both my PT and OS are attributing it to an inbalance in my muscles.  I've managed to get some stronger than others and this is the result.  Oops

Happy weekend.

Liz
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 03, 2008, 10:19:01 AM
Hi Farrah,
wow - I LOVE the pics!!! You so GORGEOUS on your wedding day - as does your hubby - he could have Irish blood in him, he has the right colouring to be an Irish man!!
Well Farrah, I am engaged right now and I often wonder how I will manage for shoes on my wedding day - and now I know!!! Im allowed wear sneakers!!!!!! Yaaaaaay - thanks so much for showing me that its ok to do that!!!

When you see the doc on Monday tell him about this shifting about issue - it could possibly be from weak quads - which would be no surprise really Farrah, as with the pain you have been having you are definitely suffering from quad inhibition. When the quads get inhibited like that and there is pain with every movement they can just STOP trying to engage at all which can let things slip and shift about.
What exactly do you see moving over? Is the sickening feeling from the pain or from the 'unnatural' feeling that you have in your knee? I also had a sickening feeling sometimes if I knock it out of place in such a way that it feels like my leg is on sideways - but it lessened over the years as my 'out of joint' feelings became less painful. It was a combination of pain and my leg feeling 'wrong' for me.
It could well be normal and just a result of quad problems. BUt I dont think you are going to be able to make your quads work properly until your pain is addressed so make sure to impress that upon your new doctor.
Make a list of all issues you are experiencing Farrah and present it to the new doctor.

Did you tell your old OS about the shifting about and if you did what did he say?
xx
Tanya
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 03, 2008, 11:55:33 AM
Great pics guys.  I love them.  Hey Farrah, I have an idea.  You said your hubby was saying "it's all about you all the time".  How about a day planned just for him from morning to night?  I know you still can't do a lot but maybe coordinate some stuff with his guy friends and order out for his favorite meals or something.  Make a whole day dedicated to just him so he can feel special too.   

I'm so glad to hear you are getting along better and your state of mind sounds better too.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 03, 2008, 11:58:12 AM
Hey Tanya, about to head out to my State gymnastics meet....I figured I'd hop on here really quickly. 

As for talking to my current OS about this shifting stuff, I haven't told them b/c it just started getting more frequent.  I always figured it was just quad weakness.  I guess it wouldn't hurt to tell them about it. 

For my 2nd opinion doctor, I will make a list of things to talk to them about.  I will definitely tell them about the shifting stuff. 

The sickening feeling is the feeling of the knee cap shifting.  It feels so weird.  It makes me feel like I shouldn't move around much in case it happens again!  It also hurts, but the sickening is mainly from the movement of the knee cap popping back into place.  It's so weird!!  It feels like it has to move over something to get back to where it's suppose to be.  I am not good with all the anatomy and where everything is inside my knee except the patella location, the groove, and the tendon.  I don't know much about ligaments and stuff.  With my left knee, my patella does sublux a lot.  I can see it happening when I bend and straighten and vice versa, but it never felt the way this shifting does.  Just weird.  Sometimes if I move wrong and then sit down, something is also out of place and I have to straighten my leg out to get it back to the way it is suppose to be, then bend it again.  Things are definitely moving around in there, but I don't know what it all is.  I have 3 different feelings of shifting.  Oh well....muscle weakness I guess, but it has gotten worse over the past few weeks.  It makes me very aware of how to move so that it doesn't happen.  Anyway, gotta go coach now.  Wish us luck :)   

Lenore, you were posting as I was!!  Good idea on making a day for him.  We'll have to plan it after this weekend.  Have a good one!!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 03, 2008, 12:50:44 PM
Farrah - a lot of what you are saying sounds familiar to me. Heres a thought - could a bit of cartilage or meniscus be floating around in there and getting in the way, thus giving that sickening feeling as your kneecap has to get over the blockage to get back to a normal position?
When it pops back into place is the pop smooth or crunchy? Mine used to be smooth, but over the years it has become harsher. It used to feel like a 'thunk' (like the edges of whatever was shifting back into place were smooth), now its more like a 'crack' (like the edges are no longer smooth). The thunk used to hurt more, the crack is quicker, but there is more pain and swelling 20 minutes later. I can only assume whatever smoothness was there is now damaged or worn away.

Can you describe your 3 different feelings of shifting? (I know its so hard to articulate, and also sometimes our subjective experiences dont match what is really happening).
Perhaps some of it is scar tissue breaking up for you also?

I would definitely tell ALL your doctors about these feelings - they could help give them a clue as to what is going on. Ive no doubt at all some of it is muscle weakness, but there could be other issues in there that the doctors recognise the symptoms of.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 03, 2008, 08:44:51 PM
Tanya, here is my best description.  I guess this could be all the same thing with all the different feelings.  There are actually more than three when I think about it.  It is nice to describe them and get some opinions.  I can't imagine that all of these are from muscle weakness, but I could be wrong.  I don't know much about muscle weakness. 

First way:  I extend my leg all the way out, then bend it.  That is when it is a sickening smooth shift.  I can see something move when I look at it.  Sometimes, just to figure out what it is, I would keep doing it to watch it shift. 

Second way:  When I slowly extend my leg...it gets stuck like if I keep doing it, something will snap and hurt very very badly.  That is the worst of all the shifting.  It is so painful. That is the one where I have to bend it again and wait a while to be able to do it painlessly.  It doesn't literally get stuck, but it feels like it will break if I continue to straighten it.  It is a #9 pain!!! 

Third way:  When I try sitting down without using my surgery leg as support, the knee has something in the wrong place sometimes and I have to stand back up and try it again.  That one doesn't feel like a bone issue.  That one feels like something else...but don't know what.  It is a very sharp pain when it happens.  This one happens the most. 

Fourth way:  Having a full extension, then bending it will pop very loudly and painfully.  That happened when I got home from coaching today.  It swells up and hurts for a while after it. 

Fifth way:  If I stand up out of a chair and am not using my surgery leg muscles to help with it, something gets stuck kind of like the second way, but from a different position.  If I continue to stand it hurts so much and swells up.  That happened today at gymnastics.  I lost my breath b/c of the pain and then couldn't walk to the next event.  I had to lock my knee out and walk peg legged to the next event despite using my cane. 

So with all of these feelings of shifting, they happen throughout the day.  About 15-20 times a day these things happen to me.

So right now I am sitting at home with a swollen knee and pain.  I couldn't walk at all today!!  I pretty much walked stiff legged most of the time today.  One of my gymnasts landed a tumbling pass today and we think she tore her calf muscle, but continued the routine through the end.  Well needless to say, she couldn't walk.  So I had to lend her my crutches so she could get around.  So right now I am forced to walk with my cane.  It is kind of scary b/c I have been switching back and forth for the past few weeks to accommodate my pain.  I wanted to use my crutches at my 2nd opinion doctor appointment.  Oh well.  Well the gymnast went to the hospital and I will talk to her later to see what the outcome is.  If she doesn't need my crutches, then I can get them from her tomorrow. 

So more questions...what all should I ask the 2nd opinion doctor?  I need to write some questions down.  What should I tell him about my current OS?  This is all new to me (getting a 2nd opinion while liking my current doctor).  I want to be completely honest, but I don't want to forget to say or ask something. If you give me some suggestions, I can branch off and think of them from there.  Right now I have some in my mind, but I can't think of others.  I am sure I will if you guys get me thinking.  Thanks for your help!! 

My gymnastics team wasn't as good as the one last week!  None of them got higher than 6th place!!  We will find out our team placement once all the other "same level" meets are over today or tomorrow.  The team did take me out to lunch after the meet though.  The kids were dying to use my cane to go to the bathroom!!  GROSS!!  I said no way!!

Sorry I had so much to say today!!  Tonight is the cinco de mayo party at a friends house...first social activity in a long long time besides anything at my house.  I have been hosting a lot of parties over the past few months.  Well everyone have a good one!

Farrah

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 03, 2008, 09:01:32 PM
I wanted to add some more things about my surgery knee....things I can't do still. 

I can't do stairs at all.  Going up is manageable if I hold onto the railings and extend it out as much as possible to decrease the amount of bend I do to go up.  So I pretty much use my arms to pull myself up.  Now going down, I hold on to both sides of the railing and try to go down normally, but using my arms instead of my leg muscles.  Well going down is impossible.  Whatever is shifting is the worst when I go down...even not using the muscles to do it.  It pops and hurts and grinds and does all kinds of things then swells up.  So doing stairs is using only my "good" leg to go up and down.  I step up with my good leg, then bring them together...same as going down.  I step down with my surgery leg, then bring them together.  Muscle weakness?  Scar tissue? Sorry all of a sudden I have tons of questions.  I just want to get it all out there so I know what to talk to my OS about. 

Another thing...when I was at PT last, I had to do this exercise on a rocker board where I slowly shift my weight forward and backwards touching the front of the board to the ground in the front and back.  Well going down was the worst and I couldn't walk after that.  It hurts under my knee cap...same pain from driving.  So I think whatever I do with my toes pointed down can cause more pain.  So I tried mimicking the exercise at PT and I realized that if I slightly bent my knee and went up on my toes, the pain was unbearable.  Then even after doing that one time, I couldn't walk.  It is all under my knee cap. 

At PT, I can't do anything while weight bearing with a slightly bent knee....NOTHING.  It was so slight that you could hardly tell it was bent.  I had to keep it locked out to do anything weight bearing...the is part of the problem with walking.  All of this is why PT is on hold. 

I just have so much pain all over during so many activities.  Sound familiar?

Still losing hair!!  It is so much that it is driving me nuts!!  It's not obvious to anyone but me b/c I am constantly having to move it off my clothing and such. 

SO SORRY THIS IS SO MUCH INFO AND QUESTIONS!!  Feel free to PM me if you'd like.  Answering as many of these questions and giving me as many opinions would be very helpful!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 04, 2008, 12:46:16 PM
HI Farrah,
fantastic informative posts there.
Ok - lets try and get out what important to tell the second opinion:

Show him the smooth shifting thing that happens (first way).

The second way and the fifth way sounds like 2 different manifestations of the same thing, explain to him that it feels like something is locking the joint and if you force it something will break. It sounds to me like something is getting stuck in the hinge mechanism - it could be your kneecap in the wrong position (muscle weakness might explain that) or it could be a bit of floating cartilage or meniscus? An OS will know better than us - do you think you can demo that to him?

Then when I read the third way I wondered if its all to do with the position of your kneecap, and that straightening and bending it is repositioning it more normally?

The more you can demonstrate to the doctor the better.

On your second post all you describe is the same thing happening - you cannot use your knee bent at all. My current OS told me the force going through your kneecap while bent is huge, so pain is stopping you from doing that, the question for the doctor is this: is the pain being caused by muscle weakness or is the kneecap badly positioned or is there something else going on?

For the appointment I suggest you type a BRIEF history of your knee - right from the beginning, only include the relevant info from your perspective:
so mine goes something like, first dislocation age 12, surgery age 14, dislocations started again age 17........recently cannot extend mid air without it trying to pop out of joint, i put it back in by making leg straight and pushing on thigh etc....

Keep it as concise as possible - less detail from the past except facts of injuries, surgeries, most detail about current situation.
For the shifting say that it feels to you like things are moving around in the joint, you dont know why, it happens a number of different ways. Describe how you always have pain, and any force through the kneecap intensifies it.

Tell what your current OS has said and that you came for second opinion because nothing seems to be changing no matter how much rest you have and you are concerned that you cannot build any muscle while you are in this situation as PT keeps going on hold til your pain is under control but nothing gets it under control.

Keep your typed (or written) history of the problem as brief as you can because he wont concentrate on it if he has to read pages and pages - mine is one typed A4 page. And dont bother with detailed descriptions of the feelings of shifting cos you can verbally describe that to him when he questions you.

Also bring any x-rays, scans that you have and any medical notes.

Its ok to seek a second opinion while liking your current doctor - think of it like being in a room full of experts and describing a puzzle - its ok to ask 1 guy what he thinks, then ask the next - people are people and surgeons are just people too - and each one will have a different way of looking at a problem.

Hope some of that helps.
xx






Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: kathat on May 04, 2008, 01:13:06 PM
Hi Farrah,

The locking feeling when you straighten sounds like it may be a meniscus tear or foreign body. One thing to try and take note of is if it is a true locking (physically cannot move the joint any further) or an inability to move the joint further due to pain. It can make a difference in diagnosing, so it's worth trying to differentiate which it is. The pop when bending it the other way could be due to the same thing, but because it's in reverse it has a different feel. I find my grinding sensations (from patellar cartilage damage) feel much more uncomfortable when I am moving from flexion to extension than the other way around. A foreign body or meniscus tear could also account for feeling number 3, as the painful sensation and the wrong feeling could be due to something getting caught as you stand up.

When you do anything with a bent knee you are putting more load on the patellofemoral joint than with a straight knee, so perhaps you have some problems there. This would account for problems with stairs too - going down loads the joint more than going up, incidentally.

Feeling number 1 sounds like it may be due to muscle imbalance as you rely on different muscles to stabilise the patella during movement, and if one isn't working as equally as it's opposite then things will shift where they shouldn't.

With the second opinion doctor, I'd tell him what treatment has been done to your knee for what reasons but not go too much into any speculations of the old OS or your PT, stick to facts. It is good if he can go into it without any preconceptions. Also tell him every problem that you have now, starting with the ones that cause you the most pain and difficulty.

BTW - What lovely wedding photos. Good for you in wearing comfy shoes. So many people cave in and do what's expected and pay the penalty later. You have the size dogs I wish we had! We have a Labrador and there is no way I can handle him with my knees like they are, so he isn't well trained at the moment. I must admit that I am more of a cat person though.

Well done on pulling yourself out of the slump you were in. Enjoy yourself at the party.

Kathy
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 04, 2008, 02:56:34 PM
Thanks for your responses guys!!  I plan to do to all that you recommend...brief written history, then small list of questions and verbal complaints on my pain problems and locations. 

Pain sucks today...I can't wait for it to be figured out! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: BigSkyGirl on May 04, 2008, 05:03:32 PM
Hi Farrah, I just wanted to say good luck with your OS appt this week and I am thinking of you!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 04, 2008, 06:54:04 PM
Hi Farrah

   Sounds like you have gotten a lot of great suggestions with your 2nd op. visit.  I hope you can get a clearer picture of what is causing the pain from someone new.  I will be thinking about you! And praying for some answers for you.

melissa  ;)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 05, 2008, 12:48:36 PM
Good luck today Farrah - will check in later to see how you went.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 05, 2008, 05:45:51 PM
Hey guys.  I am so nervous and in so much pain today!  I have been moping around the office.  My back and my knees hurt so badly!

So I have my 2nd opinion in exactly 2.5 hrs.  I was originally going to go in there with no records b/c my OS's office couldn't get them ready for me in time.  So I called my current OS's office to leave the message for them about taking the extra indocin and to be guaranteed a call back about what to do next. Well the lady who answered is the one in that office that I know through a friend.  So she wrote the message for me for the OS and his PA.  While on the phone with her she realized she had to reschedule my May 16th apt! UGH!   >:(  So I did for the first available which was May 22nd!  >:(  I told her I didn't care anymore and that I would express my feelings to the PA when he calls me tonight.  So while on the phone with her I also told her I was getting a 2nd opinion today and was desperately wanting my records to take with me.  She told me to submit a request, and I told her I did!  She said she has been looking daily and never found one.  So she told me to send it again and she will take care of it ASAP.  I will be picking up my records from their office at around 2:15pm my time (45 minutes before my apt).  I was thrilled that she was helping me out!!  So now I can let the new doc know better what is going on!! 

i will post my 2nd opnion results and my current OS and PA's phone call on here tonight.  I will probably post my 2nd opinion in about 5 hrs and the phone call in about 6-7 hrs if they call!  That way whoever wants to check knows how long it may take.  Thanks for everyone's support!!! It really has helped so much!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 05, 2008, 08:45:50 PM
Hi Farrah,
I thought Id find out the outcome by now!! Well I will check in again later before I go to bed (around 2 hours time), so hang in there - happy appointment!! And I hope it all goes well.
xxx

ps - youre great for posting the times etc...makes it much easier to know when to check in :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 05, 2008, 11:19:07 PM
Sorry this post took so long.  2nd opinion SUCKED!  I don't feel like going into details as I am very upset.  I am still awaiting for a call from my OS any moment.  If I don't hear back in about 20 minutes, I will call him. 


Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 06, 2008, 01:02:30 AM
Got nothing out of the 2nd opinion...they said stick with my current OS.  They said I had such extensive surgery that there is nothing they can do, but tell me to wait it out and deal with it!  When someone tells me to deal with it, I get really pissed.  They don't know what it is I am dealing with!  I am still awaiting a call from my current OS.  I called his PA's cell and left a message.  When I talk to him, I am going to tell him I think I am depressed. 

Right now I am in so much pain that I don't know what to do.  It isn't all my knee.  My knee pain is about a #7/8 constant and worse when I stand up.  My back pain is a #9 from sitting and driving all day!  Around lunch time, I had to drive to my home to pick up something, then drive 30 minutes to my current OS to pick up records, then drive to the new doctor and sit around for 2.5 hrs!  At their office, I got poked on so many times and in very painful areas that it hurts so much.  I did learn about some new tender spots that I didn't know that I had.  One of the worsed ones besides right under my knee cap, was on the outside of my knee on the side of my leg pretty much.  It isn't the IT band, but near where it connects.  When the doctor poked on it, I almost kicked him!  There were other very very tender spots too. I had to fill out that new patient form where you have to answer all these questions about how bad the pain is, where it is, what activities can/can't you do, etc.  I was starting to shake my head in amazement at how horrible I realized that my knee was....lots of pain, can't do any activities. 

I will post again when I find out anything from my current doctor.  If this stuff persists for 2-3 more months, I will go to an out of town doctor.  I hope I don't have to go through that.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 06, 2008, 01:11:37 AM
Oh...by the way, I got all my records today.  I read through all my office notes and post op notes.  I learned that part of my fulkerson was a Lateral Release and chondroplasty (knew about that part).  I also read in detail all of my post op notes.  I have a lot of little things damaged in there as well as the grade 3 chondromalcia.  The damaged cartilage was 22mm in diameter (almost 1").  Is that large?  It's not all the way to the bone though.  I just didn't know if 22mm was big.  I don't remember where the damage was though...i'd have to go back and look.  I also have femoral antiversion...don't know exactly what that is.  Then I have some defects over the condyle whatever...:)  I suck at knee anatomy!  I understand it better than I can explain it.  I know in the post op notes that they detail everything whether it is important or not.  So I don't know what to really think about in that description.  If anyone is interested, I can type it out. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on May 06, 2008, 01:31:32 AM
I wish your 2nd opinion had gone better, did he have any ideas at all?  BTW I wouldn't be surprised if your PA tells you to talk to your GP about the depression.  My rhuematologist won't touch it.

I found a jewelry website that said 8mm is the size of most beaded jewelry if that helps.  Or maybe the diameter of a 22 bullet? I'm not sure what some of the other stuff means either, maybe the dictionary off the homepage? 

I so wish there is some way I could make your pain better, but I'm out of ideas.

Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 06, 2008, 01:34:44 AM
Thanks, Diana, everyone seems to be out of ideas.  They didn't have anything to tell me about what they think the pain might be or where it is coming from.  The x-ray lady was so surprised after doing them b/c she asked me with big eyes what type of surgery I had.  She was surprised by the 2 huge screws in there. 

Then I just got some mail that is from anesthesia company saying that I owe them just over $2000!!!  When I am told my surgery is approved my insurance, does that mean I have to call all the companies involved and make sure that means all of them??   I don't have $2000!!  I already paid my $2000 deductible!  So does that mean if I have surgery again that I can't have anesthesia???  UGH!  It's just one think after another after another!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 06, 2008, 02:29:31 AM
I typed up my operative report in the "general knee questions" section. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 06, 2008, 03:47:48 AM
Oh Farrah that really sucks!  But reading over your reports andpost opt notes does shed some light as to what else is wrong inthere.  It just doesnt tell you how to deal withthe pain!  So sorry it didnt go like you had hoped.
   Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 06, 2008, 05:12:26 AM
I can't sleep. I figured I'd jump on here before trying a tylenol PM.  At this rate, work isn't looking so good for me tomorrow.  I am so sad and depressed and just keep crying about it all.  I keep replaying the entire stupid apt in my head...how they poked on me so hard then said they can't do anything for me.  Why not just save me the torcher? 

Why can't my doctor just call me back????  I don't want to wait all day tomorrow again! 

Why can't insurance just pay for crap??? Why do I have to fight and argue with people to get taken care of?

I have to be honest.  I can't read anybody's success stories on their recent TTTs anymore.  It is making me so sad!  I am so happy for them, but feeling sorry for myself.  These people are walking around at just a few weeks PO and taking advil!  We are on a whole new string of TTTers and I am still going strong in my diary complaining about pain 4 months later!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: bnl10yr on May 06, 2008, 07:45:30 AM
Farrah - So sorry all of this is happening.  I've been following your thread a little bit over the past couple of weeks.  I don't have any great insight for you...I just wanted to write a little note telling you I think you are so strong, and I know everything will work out for you.  Hopefully you wake up with some pain relief.  Hang in there! ;)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 06, 2008, 09:08:29 AM
Hi Farrah,
Im so sorry the second opinion didnt go well for you. That sucks. Did they say anything positive at all?
I cant believe they just expect you to deal with this. I think you should definitely research an out of town doctor and make an appointment - it can be cancelled if needs be but having an appointment on the horizon will be better than none.
Has your current OS office phoned you back yet? Perhaps you need to start making MORE noise with them also - I know they already know the situation but maybe you need to start calling everyday and crying down the phone telling them you need help? I know its extreme measures, but you are dealing with an extreme situation here.
Femoral anteversion is when your femur (thigh bone) twists inwards from the hip (very common in knee problems) and as a result your foot turns out a little - there are some advanced case photos around the site here, a lot of people have a mild case of it (I do) and it doesnt bother me except that my foot turns out when my knees are straight. If I straighten my foot my knee looks twisted inwards. They dont do anything for it unless it is quite extreme - very few docs deal with it at all. I think the process of straightening is called detoration. If anyone wishes to correct any of that explanation please do - thats my laymans understanding of it.
Farrah Im going over to read your post op report - please do tell your doctor you are depressed, because its better to try and address it, even if he justs sends you to your GP - tell someone.
And please dont feel hopeless, this isnt over, its just a blip in the road, there will be a way forward, we just have to help and encourage you to find it.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 06, 2008, 09:44:27 AM
thanks guys!

So on top of this crap, I have been throwing up all night (well for the last 4.5 hrs of it).  I think I took too much medication and my body is trying to reject it.  I typed up another e-mail in to work saying that I will not be in today...this gives me a day to rest and recover hopefully.  My body is so weak right now and my face is white as a ghost!  I would be waking up in 1hr to get ready for work. 

Tanya, thanks for the info on the femoral anteversion!  It was in one of the office notes in my records. 

Going to go lay down again until my stomach wakes me up.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 06, 2008, 10:19:00 AM
Farrah,
throwing up and feeling weak is all no doubt a result of stress as well.
I think you need to see your GP and talk about the mental effect all the CR*P is having on you - Farrah, youre not super human (maybe close to though :)) And no one could be expected to go through all of this and not need some kind of help - even if its only talking it out with your local GP.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 06, 2008, 10:36:45 AM
Oh Farrah, That is so NOT what I wanted to read this morning.  Did they really tell you to just "deal with it"?  How unprofessional and cold.  Wouldn't you love to see how they'd handle it if they had to go through what you are?  Unreal.

Don't stop fighting!!!  We are all behind you and you are strong.  You can and will beat this!!!

Hugs and prayers coming your way!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 06, 2008, 12:22:51 PM
Hi Farrah,

Sorry you are having to deal with all this crap right now. I am having issues with my insurance company and my knee surgeon and sports physician getting their letters done for my surgery approval. Like you, just so over it. To top that off my surgeon's PA still hasn't sent the forms for my op. If I don't get them it is as simple as this, no forms and NO op. I couldn't face waiting another month. It would just be my luck !!!

I agree with Tanya, you need to see a doc out of town. Where are you based ? Dr Arendt in Minneapolis is meant to be fantastic.

Also make sure you speak to your GP about feeling depression. There is help out there and sooner you get onto it the better.

Just remember, each day is a new beginning !!!  :) ;) :D

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 06, 2008, 01:11:16 PM
I have been throwing up ever 1.5hrs!  In between that I feel very nauseated.  I am so weak that all my muscles in my body are shaking.  My knee is killing me from having to get up all the time and get to the toilet quickly!  I am home sick today...not the kind of home sick I like to be.  I could deal with being home with knee pain, but not vommiting!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on May 06, 2008, 02:38:11 PM
Farrah,  I'm home today too, but not because of my knee, I pulled a muscle in my ribs and it hurts to bad to crutch around.

The nausea could be from the medication, keep up the fluids so you don't get dehydrated too.

A lot of places send out bills automatically even when they are waiting for the insurance companies to pay.  At least my hospital bills don't say you owe anything at the top until the insurance has paid their part.  What percentage do you have to pay after your deductible?  There is usually some percentage until you reach their cap out of pocket for the year.

Like my deductible is $2500 with $6000 out of pocket max, and 30% copay.  Which means I pay 30% of all the bills after the $2500 until I pay out $6000.  Then they pay 100%.   I'm the insurance person at work so I know more than most.

PM me with you pogo screen name and I can give you a 5 day pass to the paid part of the site, there's a lot more games there.

Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: BigSkyGirl on May 06, 2008, 03:34:21 PM
Oh Farrah, I hope this finds you feeling better.  I think you should call your GP if the throwing up goes on much longer.  Your body is already in a weakened state and that is not helping for sure.  Make sure you drink some Gatorade or Pedialyte to keep up your fluid levels and maybe some crackers or ginger ale will help as well.

I too am so disappointed in your 2OP.  I agree with the others to go to another Dr until you get some relief.  I was just reading an article today where a woman developed a condition that 5 - yes, FIVE - Drs could not figure out (her husband was a DR as well).  She went to the 6th and he discovered it thru some simple tests.  Now I know we are mechanical here and a blood test is not going to "cure" us but another Dr will have another thought process.

Try going to one and just give him/her the facts without any embelishment from the original Dr or your PTs and see what happens.  I think sometimes the Drs are persuaded by what other say and do and they just figure well, keep it up.....

I am sending thoughts and prayer to you as well.  I hope things turn around soon for you.

(((((hugs)))))
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 06, 2008, 04:11:43 PM
Hello everyone.  I am feeling a little better.  I haven't gotten sick since early this morning around 6:30am.  I have been eating saltine crackers and drinking ginger ale.  I am afraid to eat anything else b/c I am still feeling a little queasy and very weak.  I plan on resting for the rest of the day.  I do have to make that call to insurance though. 

Diana, my deductible is $2000 period.  No other costs are involved except when things aren't covered.  I will call insurance and get this taken care of.  I am dreading the phone call.  I just hate fighting with insurance.  My pogo name is arkitect06.  Thanks for sending me the pogo stuff!!  That would be so fun.  I actually borrowed my little brothers Nintendo Wii while he is finishing up his final 2 weeks of school.  I don't have the strength to hook it up, otherwise I would be playing that!! 

BSG, I plan to get another opinion after I am farther along...2-3 months more.  This will put me at around 6-7 months post op.  There should be no excuses after that!!  I will continue to bug my current OS about what's next.  I should hear back from them today since I left two messages for them yesterday at 2 different locations. 

I hope everyone else has a better day!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on May 06, 2008, 05:12:17 PM
done- I think you should have a message when you log in to Pogo and it will tell you how to activate it.  Never got one and have only sent one before.

Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 06, 2008, 05:17:44 PM
Thanks Diana!  I will try it after lunch.  My husband is coming home to bring me some lunch, so after he leaves I will have more time again.  We should play something together on there. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on May 06, 2008, 05:35:28 PM
Ok,let me know when you go on and I'll find you  my screen name is diliegh, it wouldn't take it the same way it is here.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 06, 2008, 08:10:25 PM
My stomach is feeling a little better.  I haven't gotten sick since early this morning.  I have been taking it easy.  My knee has been really irritating today.  I usually can hobble around the house with a "peg leg" without much pain.  Well it is killing me today despite the straightness. 

I also did a lot of research on meniscus tears and the symptoms and such.  It seems I have most of the symptoms.  It could be anything though, but a lot of what these websites described is what I am experiencing.   I could be wrong though.  Anyway, I can't stop thinking about my OS's phone call later.  I will be very very upset if he doesn't call.  He usually calls around 6:30pm. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 06, 2008, 09:37:58 PM
Hi Farrah, my symptoms also match a lot of meniscus tear stuff, but then again a lot of that is 'general' symptoms, so god knows!!!
can you ring your OSs office and remind them you are waiting on a call? at this stage i wouldnt worry about being a pain - so what, they need to sort your situation out!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 06, 2008, 10:09:27 PM
I have a good feeling that they are going to call me today.  If not, then I will definitely call tomorrow.  I already left him two messages.  If I call right now, then he will not get that message until tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 06, 2008, 11:39:20 PM
Farrah

   Why do you think you have a miniscus tear? Just wondering if your knee is locking or something.  If so is this a new thing or has it been since your pup tripped you up.  I have a miniscus tear in my left knee, two infact so tell me what you are feeling and I will tell you what I am feeling with mine.

melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 06, 2008, 11:56:39 PM
The stupid doctors office didn't call me.  I called the PA on his cell phone from a different number just in case he is avoiding me, but still not answer.  So I left a very depressing message.  I tried so hard not to cry during the message.  I am just frustrated.  Even if they don't want to deal with me right now, I'd like to hear back since they said they would call me yesterday!  Well I left a message saying that I really expected him to call me yesterday.  I will leave a message with the clinic tomorrow morning.  This is taking so much out of me. 

Melissa, the reason I think I may have a meniscus tear is b/c yesterday when that new doctor poked on me, the worst tenderness was on the outside of my knee.  I almost hit him b/c of the pain.  I had significant tender spots all over, but that one was the worst!  Then over the last few weeks, I have noticed that sometimes I can't straighten my knee all the way b/c something gets stuck or something...I can't explain it. I just know when it feels like that, if I tried to straighten it anyway, then it feels like something will break.  The pain when that happens is #9!  Very painful.  Then sometimes I get the same thing with bending it.  I know these are things that could be anything, but that tenderness is what got me thinking it.  I poked on my other knee and I don't feel it at all.  I figured maybe it was just pain from poking, but it isn't.  Then it also hurts on the other side of the joint line on the inside of my knee...also very tender. 

Well today was just a crappy day...sick and painful.  My knee isn't getting better while resting.  I am so glad I am not doing PT though b/c that would make it a lot worse.  I wouldn't be trying so hard to get ahold of my doctors office if it was feeling okay.  My knee feels like it is shifting, I can't walk even with the cane anymore, I can't sleep much b/c of the pain from moving around, driving is hurting worse everyday!  I still don't have my crutches back from lending them out, otherwise I would be using them. 

I am so upset right now!!  I need something to stop my tears.  My husband is sick and he needs something from the grocery and some special soup from this restaurant nearby.  I just don't want to leave the house b/c I am so upset.  I also know I have to take care of him and put my feelings aside.  I also have to go to the pharmacy and pick up my pain medicine refill.  3 stores while I feel horrible in more ways than one.  SOrry to go on and on.  I am just not happy right now.  I hate the thought of waiting an entire day again for a phone call that I may or may not get from my doctors office!!!  UGH! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on May 07, 2008, 12:31:02 AM
I'm sorry you are having such a bad day Farrah.  I would be screaming at that OS of yours.  It is totally unacceptable that they have not called you back yet.  I would be pitching such a fit  ::)



Take it easy tonight!

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 07, 2008, 03:09:05 AM
Farrah you just described my left knee that I have torn meniscus in.  I have noticed its not locking as much for me but every day is different
  Some days I have a terrible day extending and walking other days it hurts to flex.  I have noticed since I have stopped the biking that it is a little better but it is still very painful.  Went to Wal-Mart and was in so much pain by the end that I just wanted to lay down when I got home.  I understand the pain that comes with that.  I get the locking thing, its always swollen and it does feel like something inside will break when I try to extend or flex when it seems locked.
   I would definately ask for a MRI to make sure you dont have something new going on.

 melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 07, 2008, 09:23:02 AM
Guys - about meniscus tears - I get the locking thing too - but also if I spend some time on my feet I get this horrible stabbing pain - its not around my kneecap but more like where my femur meets my tibia? Could this be from meniscus?
I get the 'something is gonna break if I push it' and when I do push it there is a big 'crack' and all is back in place - that happens at the back of my knee when Im extending. Flexing is ok. Im tender at the front below the kneecap, medial side.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 07, 2008, 11:15:58 AM
Thanks Melissa!  I will talk to my OS about this if they ever freakin' call me back!!!!  I have a long list of questions!! 

Tanya, I don't have any problems in the back of my knee, but I also may not have torn meniscus, so I can't relate there. 

I guess I have to go get ready for work now since I am not sick anymore.  I still wish I could take another day for a mental break!  This stuff is affecting my work big time.  I just can't think of anything else!  If my OS will ever call, then I am sure I will start feeling better mentally.  Don't worry, I am calling today! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 07, 2008, 12:43:24 PM
Farrah you could think about taking some time off work for stress? My GP always says people need time to deal with stress just as much as they would to deal with any illness. So you could check about that - even a few days off might help.

Call your OSs office REPEATEDLY today - you need to speak to him, this is totally unfair on you, can you go down there and make lots of noise in person?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 07, 2008, 01:38:43 PM
This morning after the last time I posted, my knee got stuck while sitting on the couch.  So I forgot about it and when I finally stood up, it popped and hurt so badly.  Now it is slightly swollen and very very painful! 

I will be calling my OS's office today and leaving an urgent message. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 07, 2008, 01:41:19 PM
Hi Farrah,

Sorry to hear you are having such a hard time. It is just so mentally draining when you have so much pain and have been sick too.

I haven't been feeling that good either because of my lung infection and yesterday dealing with the crap with the insurance company and my knee surgeon and sports physician's rooms was the last straw. I just broke down at lunch time and cried.

Today was a much better day. My OS's personal assistant rang back. She said last week that she sent the letter to the insurance company. When I asked whether my operation and hospital forms had been done she said no they hadn't as my file had been all over the place. That is NOT my fault !!! Anyway, not going to stress. She said she'd do them today. If they are not done by next Thursday I will personally call my OS's mobile. It is stressful enough having this dumb surgery !!! I just want it over.

Just remember that tomorrow is a new beginning. You need to stress how important this is to your surgeon's rooms. You are in pain and having difficulty concentrating on the things you need to do. Also hard when you have another sick family member.

Chin up !!! It will get better.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 07, 2008, 01:42:12 PM
is the pop silent or would someone else hear it if they were there?
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 07, 2008, 05:43:33 PM
Someone for sure would have heard the pop!  Very loud and painful.  I gave in and took just 1 vicodin a few hours ago.  The constant stuff is feeling better, but I still can't walk or anything. 

I had to walk a short distance for lunch today and 4-5 times while stepping, my knee cap would shift to where I had to stop, straighten out my leg and start again.  This has happened in the past, but it is happening more now.  If I would have kept walking when whatever shifts, then it felt like something would get injured, so I would have to fix it....it hurt when it happened too.  I am falling apart!!!  I left a message for my OS again.  I am very close to calling and scheduling an apt with at least the PA today or tomorrow.  Since taking the vicodin, I am a little more calm about this, but I am afraid to walk and move.  Things have been "shifting" in my knee too much lately.  Weird things are happening!  It is scary.  I realized at my apt on Monday, when the guy told me to relax so he could move my leg from straight to bent and vice versa, I was tensing up and preventing him from moving me as freely as he wished.  I guess I was afraid that something would shift while he was moving my leg so fast and I wouldn't be able to react.  So I kept him from doing it.  He could tell and that I was apprehensive, but ignored it and just stopped moving it.  UGH! 

I am very frustrated!  Sorry to keep saying it!  I know you guys know it! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on May 07, 2008, 07:03:26 PM
Oh Farrah  :-* :-* :-*

I wish I could help more and I am so sorry to read of your continued pain. Is your OS far away. Can you even drop in - is this an option where you live ?

I agree with the othesr keep phoning as they sometimes forget how much it can effect our lives and the pain you are in cant be normal. It does not seem fair, I hope they ring you and you get some resolve. You are coping admirably and I am so proud of you. You keep venting here as much as you can as at least it gets it out of your head.

I wish I could do more to help you - please hang in there. You are in my thoughts :-*
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 07, 2008, 08:21:24 PM
Thats exactly what happens me when they examine my knee too Farrah - my last crabby OS used to shout at me like 'come on, relax that leg', the new handsome guy just apologised if he was hurting me and said that one of the reasons he wants to scope me is cos he wants to move my leg without me tensing up. He said its normal for people with bad knees to tense against pain.

If someone else could hear the popping you need to tell your OS about it - sometimes silent pops can happen but they dont hurt so much.

Whats happening with your OS - has he spoken to you yet? Im cursing him here!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 07, 2008, 08:24:54 PM
No call yet...if he calls, it will be in about 3 hours :(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 08, 2008, 12:07:51 AM

Word of caution: Don't read this unless you are depressed or want to be depressed b/c life sucks!!!   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO ANGRY AND SAD AT THE SAME TIME IN MY LIFE!  I FEEL LIKE I DO AFTER A HUGE ARGUMENT WITH MY HUSBAND.  I HAVE BEEN LET DOWN.  I LEFT A MESSAGE ON MY PA'S CELL AGAIN!  I TOLD HIM, "THIS IS FARRAH AND I HATE CALLING YOUR CELL PHONE TO LEAVE MESSAGES, BUT I CAN'T SEEM TO GET YOU TO CALL ME BACK DESPITE MY MESSAGES LEFT AT THE CLINIC FOR YOU.  I GUESS YOU ARE NOT GETTING THESE MESSAGES.  I KNOW YOU ARE BUSY AND YOU HAVE MORE IMPORTANT PATIENTS, BUT I DESPERATELY NEED TO YOU TO CALL ME BACK." I LEFT THE MORE IMPORTANT PART IN THERE SO HE CALLS ME AND FEELS BAD THAT HE IS TREATING ME LIKE THIS.  MY PA IS REALLY A CARING PERSON.  HE JUST ISN'T DOING HIS JOB!!!  ON MY WAY HOME I FIGURED HE'D CALL OR HE WOULDN'T.  I KEPT DRIVING AND DRIVING AND AS EVERY 10 MINUTES WOULD PASS, ANOTHER TEAR WOULD FALL DOWN MY CHEEK UNTIL I GOT ALL THE WAY HOME AND JUST LET IT OUT.  I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO!! I TRIED GETTING A 2ND OPINION, BUT THAT DIDN'T DO CRAP!  I TRY TO REACH MY CURRENT DOCTOR, BUT THEY WON'T CALL ME BACK!  I FEEL LIKE THIS IS RUINING MY LIFE.  MY LIFE IS OVER!  I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO!  I AM SO UNHAPPY AND FEEL LIKE I AM NOT DOING ENOUGH TO HELP MYSELF. I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO DISAPPOINTED IN MY LIFE.  I DON'T DESERVE THIS.  I AM DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT!  I HAVE BEEN TAKING A LOT OF VICODIN LATELY AND I FEEL SO TIRED AND DIZZY WHEN I TAKE THIS.  I DON'T DESERVE THIS.  I CAN'T JUST GO FIND ANOTHER DOCTOR B/C NOBODY WILL SEE ME!!  IT IS TOO FREAKING EARLY FOR THEM TO DECLARE A PROBLEM THAT CAN'T BE FIXED.  I WISH I NEVER HAD THIS STUPID SURGERY.    NOBODY EVER HAVE THIS SURGERY!!!!!   THIS SURGERY SUCKS!!!  THIS WAS SUPPOSE TO BE MY ANSWERS TO MY PAIN!  BUT IT'S NOT...IT HAS MADE IT WORSE.  I COULD WALK BEFORE SURGERY...NOW I CAN'T!  AND IT'S NOT GETTING ANY FREAKING BETTER!  PAIN PILLS DON'T HELP THE PAIN!  IT IS TOO SHARP!  IS THIS SOMETHING I HAVE TO LIVE WITH? 

I understand if you guys don't want to respond.  I needed a vent session and I have nobody to talk to b/c I don't want to worry my friends and family with my depression and frustrations!!!  I cried all the way home and burst into a harder cry when I came home.  My husband is not home right now and I don't give a crap!  I want to be by myself!  I don't want to go to work tomorrow or ever!!!  All I do at work is hope for 5:30 to roll around in case my OS decides to call me!  This is bull$%^&!  I don't know what else to say!  I wish there was a place I could go to feel better tonight.  When I used to feel stressed and upset like this in college, I would run a few miles and mentally feel better...but I can't FREAKING do that anymore!!  I guess I will just cry it out!  Sorry to bug anybody who reads this!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: KW on May 08, 2008, 12:45:39 AM
Farrah,  I sorry sweetie...I cant't say I understand what it is like not having your OS not call you back..That is one issue I don't have...But I do have some advise.....  SHOW UP AT THE OFFICE TOMORROW (or the next time they have office hours).  They can't ignore you if you are standing in the waiting room.  Don't let them get away with this!!

Move from being sad to BEING MAD...Get PISSED OFF NOW....PITCH A FIT...BE A COMPLETE BI**H..THIS IS COMPLETE UNACCEPTABLE.
 
Heck give me the number...you will get a call back...trust me I don't play games  ;D.

Take care.  I'm on AOL if you need to talk.  My screen name is in my profile.

Karen
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: BigSkyGirl on May 08, 2008, 01:07:50 AM
(((((hugs)))))

I agree with KW, years ago I blew out the L5 disk in my back and my Dr would not call back, I dragged myself into her office and sat there until she saw me.  Then I found another Dr but sometimes you just have to take drastic measures.

I hope you feel better soon and know that we are here for you!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 08, 2008, 01:08:53 AM
Guys, I think it is best for me to take a break from KG.  I am very depressed and I think I need to take a break from my knee stuff and focus on myself outside of doctors calls (or not calls) and apts.  The more I use this website, the more drowned I feel in all of this. 

I will update my posts as I get new information, but I can't keep doing it daily.  I appreciate everyone's support!!!  I really really do!  I think this is what is best for me aside from getting in to see my doctor. 

I wish you guys all the best of luck with your future surgeries or current recoveries! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: *Margaret on May 08, 2008, 02:40:07 AM
Farrah,

If you need anything you know how to reach me.  :-*
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on May 08, 2008, 02:54:52 AM
Farrah, please, please, please go talk to your GP about the depression.  I may not be able to help with the knees but your venting post worries me greatly.  He won't be able to help with the knees I know, but I really think you need help with the depression before something bad happens. 

Diana

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: kathat on May 08, 2008, 03:54:09 AM
I agree - get some help with managing the emotional side of this. You badly need someone to talk to and maybe some antidepressants to tide you over until you come out the other side of this. Go and see your GP and ask for help. Please. Take care, and I'll be thinking of you.

Kathy
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 08, 2008, 09:50:38 AM
Oh Farrah, you poor thing.
I agree with the posters saying you should show up at your OSs office.
You do also need to see your GP about how emotionally draining all this is and how depressed you have become.
I understand how you feel Farrah - I felt the same when I was in a very bad state and could barely move my leg without it jumping out of joint, and I was in terrible pain and my OS was like 'yeah you just need physio' and I KNEW physio wasnt the answer - my leg felt 'wrong' and still does!! I was like 'are they just gonna leave me like this?' - and they would, except I had to keep fighting and looking for new doctors, new opinions, and just keep on searching.
Please go and see your regular GP and take some time off work and try to get yourself in a better place mentally Farrah.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 08, 2008, 11:30:58 AM
Hi Farrah,

Sorry to hear you are doing so poorly.

Just can't understand why your OS or PA hasn't rung up. You are obviously at your last tether. I would turn up at their offices and demand to speak to your OS. They often forget how much this impacts on your life. I am really struggling right now and am counting down the weeks and days till my op.

I agree with Tanya, you need to go back and talk to your GP immediately at how depressed you are feeling because of your knee issues. The sooner you get onto the better. They will be able to refer you to a counsellor or psychologist that can help you deal with these issues. You may need to go on medication for a while, but it will definitely help. I have had to do that at times.

At the moment I am seeing a sports psychologist and is really helping me through these difficult times.

My work is fantastic and that is something I am very thankful for.

Keep your chin up !!! It can ONLY get better.  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 08, 2008, 06:29:24 PM
Just a quick update...I called my OS's office, and my PA has been on jury duty.  My friend in his office is trying to help me get a call back or an earlier visit. 

I went to the GP today, and now am on the anti-depressent Cimbalta.  I am suppose to call that doctor back in a week.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: sailchic on May 08, 2008, 06:41:35 PM
I'm glad you finally went to the GP.  I know most people don't like the idea of going on meds but I've seen first hand just how helpful they can be in getting someone through a rough patch.  They aren't a fix all but they certianly let enough light in that you can start to deal with the problem. 

Just remember that they can take a little while to work and that the first dose or the first drug that they try you on isn't guarenteed to work.  They each work on the brain a little differently and it's a matter of finding the one that interacts correctly with you.  If after awhile, you don't think that's the one it's perfectly ok to ask for a different kind.  I know someone who went through 4 different brands before they finally found one that works, and when they did the difference was like night and day!

Good luck.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: amyjod2 on May 08, 2008, 08:37:13 PM
Hi Farrah,

So glad to hear that you have seen your GP and that you are being proactive with getting through this.  Antidepressants do usually take up to two weeks to work and just keep plugging away.  Sometimes a non returned call from MD is really nothing more than they are not around or have emergencies, or even jury duty.  Being a nurse, I know that what happens is that then a call like yours being not a call that would go to the oncall MD, goes in a pile for your MD when they get back.  And alot of times those get lost due to time.  Just continue to call every few days and it always helps to have someone in the office you can talk with to get the inside scoop.
Good luck and please keep us updated.  I know you will get through this.

Amy
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 08, 2008, 10:18:49 PM
I got a call from my OS's office from my friend in the receptionist
office.  She called to tell me that my PA wasn't going to be in at all
today or probably tomorrow as well.  She is calling him on his cell
phone today to tell my PA to call me.  So we'll see how that works
out.  It is very nice of her to help me!  I will keep you all posted!

I hope everyone is doing okay! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 09, 2008, 02:13:13 AM
So much for staying off of KG!  I promised I would update my diary whenever I got new info....I got new info many times today.  So here I am. 

Thanks to my friend in my OS's receptionist office, my PA finally called me on my way home from work.  I start the first of 3 weekly Eufflexa injections on Monday.  He wants me back on my crutches until the pain goes away to where I can either walk with the cane or with nothing. 

I will post again after my first injection.  Have a good weekend everyone. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 09, 2008, 02:25:42 AM
Thats great Farrah!   Can you tell me what Eufflexa is?  Is it a steriod or something.  I have never heard of it other than on your diary.   HOpe you do have a restful weekend you need it!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 09, 2008, 09:46:19 AM
Farrah,
all good news from you which is fantastic.
Now as your friend on KG who gets to prescribe things to you I prescribe a restful weekend doing very little and pampering yourself a bit - maybe do your nails or hair or give yourself a facial - any little treat will help you, I do my nails to the max sometimes to cheer myself up.
So thats your weekend prescription, rest, relaxation, some pampering for Farrah and maybe a nice long bubble bath with candles.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 09, 2008, 10:14:29 AM
Hi Farrah,

Very pleased to hear the PA rang back. What did he say for himself ?

That's great you went to your GP, but really need to get referred to a counsellor or psychologist as well. Taking the medication is not going to make the problems go away. They need to be addressed. It annoys me when doctor's just put patients on drugs without addressing the real problem.

In a lot of pain today. Very frustrated as I haven't been able to get onto my OS, sports physician or knee physio. Waiting calls back from OS rooms and sports physician. Just want this surgery over now !!!

Take care of yourself.  :D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on May 09, 2008, 06:16:59 PM
Enjoy a weekend of rest, relaxation and laughter.

I hope you enjoy it and feel better soon.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: kathat on May 11, 2008, 09:43:13 AM
Hi Farrah,

Glad to hear you've taken the first step and have got some anti-depressants. As the others have pointed out, they can take a couple of weeks to work, and sometimes the side effects can take the same amount of time to settle down, so persist (unless side effects are unmanageable) for a while before you decide it's not working and need to try another one. It's still worth finding a professional to talk to as well, as antidepressants will only do so much. There is nothing like talking with someone who is trained to help you deal with a crisis in your life. I also agree with staying on the crutches for a while, as your knee needs time to calm down. I hope the injections help (Melissa, the Euflexxa is a hyaluronate used in viscosupplementation). Take some time out to pamper yourself and rest the knee. Good luck.

Kathy
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 12, 2008, 11:59:33 PM
Thanks everyone. 

I kind of had a relaxing weekend at my parent's lake house.  Unfortunately it involved a lot of walking up and down a small grassy hill. 

My Eufflexa injections were suppose to start today, but there was a problem with insurance.  So I just got off the phone with my PA and he told me that insurance said that they will pay for it, but they still need the verbal confirmation.  He said if I don't hear from him tomorrow, then call him Wednesday morning.  I will post again soon. 

Going to take a nap now...I ran off the road today from falling asleep driving.  I was able to get back on the road safely, but I still can't sleep at night!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 13, 2008, 10:01:41 AM
FARRAH!  Running off the road?  What are you doing?  OMG...be careful!  Glad to hear you had a relaxing weekend at the lake house.  Sounds wonderful. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: kathat on May 13, 2008, 11:40:29 AM
Farrah,

Great to hear you have been away for some time out!! Good luck with the injections, and with getting better sleep  ;)

Kathy
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 13, 2008, 12:56:06 PM
Farrah,

That's not good running off the road ! Please take care.

I hope you can have the injections soon.

Still not been feeling that well. Went back to doctor today. Apparently I have atypical pneumonia. My doctor took some more blood today. Having a chest x-ray tomorrow. Hope it's ok. Just scared my operation will have to be delayed.

1 week and 2 days till my operation today !!!   ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 15, 2008, 12:45:58 AM
I am tired of being frustrated and sad...today was one of those upsetting days!  I am just so sick of everything.  I have been back on my crutches for a few days now and I HATE it!!  I am much more comfortable, but I can't carry anything!  I keep trying to walk normally with the crutches, but with less weight down, but I can't put much weight down at all...it hurts too much!  I realized how horrible I was walking with my cane...no right at all!!  The only way I could do it, is locking out my knee and walking "peg legged."  My knee cap keeps shifting and locking more and more.  The other day, I was standing at a counter at a fast food restaurant and my knee cap shifted so much that it took several times straightening it to get it back in place.  I was so scared b/c usually it takes only one try.  It shifts when I walk and from bending and straightening during sitting.  It keeps happening more and more often.  I have been in touch with my OS's PA almost daily this week...he keeps giving me updates on what the status is with insurance and the Euflexxa injections.  They faxed them some info today and said it could take 24-72hrs to get approval.  So hopefully by Monday at the latest, I should hear something.  The thing is, my next regular OS apt is on May 22nd.  So I will have to go to the doctor possibly twice next week...UGH!  I have big plans on telling him about the knee locking up and shifting. 

Guys, I am so frustrated and sad!!!  I am tired of this crap!!!  TIRED OF IT!  I WISH I NEVER DID THIS TO MYSELF!!!  I AM SO SCARED THAT THESE INJECTIONS WILL BE A PAINFUL, INCONVENIENT, AND EXPENSIVE WASTE OF TIME!  I can't think positively at all!!  I am afraid that I will not be able to walk forever!!  I can't wait for the depression meds to start working b/c I am tired of feeling this way...not just pain, but sadness!  I can't cheer up!  People at work keep trying to make me laugh, but it doesn't help.  I just sit there in silence and in pain.  I HATE CRUTCHES AND CANES!!!  I WANT TO WALK UNAIDED!  I WANT TO PLAY TENNIS AGAIN!  I WANT TO SMILE AND LAUGH AND HAVE A GOOD TIME!  I WANT TO SLEEP AGAIN! 

I will post again after I have my first injection.  I hope everyone else is doing okay.  Thanks for all the support.

Kirsty, I hope you feel better soon.  I am glad your papers finally came in and are taken care of for your surgery.  Take care of yourself!

Farrah

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 15, 2008, 01:13:27 AM
We hear you Farrah.  You sure have a right to be depressed and complain.  You've gone through soooooooo much!  You will find a way to get through all of this.  Meanwhile we're here for you.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 15, 2008, 09:55:27 AM
Hi Farrah,
ok - today its time for practical advice:

crutches and carrying things - so annoying isnt it? But - if you get a sort of small backpack you can use it to carry stuff from A to B while on crutches - works really well, Ive had many months on crutches over the years, thats what I always do. For drinks get one of those camping thermos flasks that comes in a case with a shoulder strap - then you can even carry drinks about and use the cup on the thermos to drink from.


About it being harder to get your knee back in - if you feel under pressure to get it back in place your whole body will tense up and thats what makes it harder, difficult as it is you have to take very deep breaths and relax your body, try to go all floppy - that will make it easier to get it back in place.

Cant believe there is such a darn hold up on the injections - well at least you are seeing your OS next week for sure and definitely definitely tell him everything about the shifting about and locking up.

Its not surprising you are still down, those meds will take another week or so to kick in, plus youre dealing with so much, its too much for one person to have to put up with for so long, but we are always here for you to vent it out so never ever be afraid to come on here and let it rip!

xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: kathat on May 15, 2008, 01:12:07 PM
Farrah,

I realise you hate the crutches, but look at what your knee is telliing you - you wrote "I am much more comfortable" which says this is the right thing to do for the time being. You may find that resting your knee does it the world of good. I find that if I don't allow my knees to recover after a big day then things just build up until I can barely walk due to the pain. My knees need that time to rest and for the inflammation that the activity has stirred up to settle. Your knees might be the same. Once your knee is more comfortable then you might find some gentle exercises that don't cause pain, so you can keep the muscles firing. While the knee is stirred up you will find most things cause you pain, but when it's settled then you stand a better chance of doing some sort of activity without pain. You just need to experiment and remember to give the knee time to calm down if you do something that stirs it up. I hope you get the injections soon, and that they help. Take care.

Kathy
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 15, 2008, 03:23:18 PM
Farrah- I am so glad that you are venting on here!  It helps to write your frustrations down.  I would definately let your OS know what is going on with that knee not going back in place.  Something is causing it to do that.  I know you hate crutches and I know you feel like your life has ended.  I would hate to give up something I love like you and tennis.  Hopefully you will get back to it soon!  Even if soon means a few more weeks or months away.   Tanya gave some great advice with the backpack and thermos.  Hope you get those shots soon.  I also hope they actually work this time.
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on May 15, 2008, 11:01:51 PM

Farrah, feel better soon.  Did you get to play on Pogo at all?


Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 16, 2008, 12:48:33 AM
Hi Guys, I am feeling a little better mentally today.  I think the meds are slowly starting to work.  I have been much more relaxed about things today.  I was a little better last night after venting here too.  I am so angry about things, but have been stressing and caring less about it...I hope that makes sense.  I care, but it isn't bothering me so much.  I am still sad and frustrated to no end though.  I am suppose to call my GP tomorrow to let her know how I am doing with the anti-depressents.  I still can't sleep and it is so dangerous how tired I am all day until I get home at night! 

I am so tired of my pain and knee shifting!  The crutches have been much better though, but every time I try to walk with just a little weight down, it kills.  None of this is improving at all!  Not a single bit.  Thank goodness for my Ultram ER though.  If it wasn't for that, I'd be in pain all day long 24-7. 

I got a call today saying that the injections are finally approved.  So I called to make an apt, but there weren't any available, so my PA wants me to wait until my OS apt on May 22 (a week from today).  I realized that I had to make three OS apts to get the Euflexxa injections, so I called my friend at the receptionist desk.  She is going to talk to the PA again about who's schedule to put me on.  She thinks I can get in as early as Tuesday, but she couldn't tell me until Monday.  My old sports medicine doctor may be the one to do them since his schedule is easier to get onto.  I will not know until Monday.  Meanwhile, I called my PA today with lots of questions...had to leave a message on his cell.  I hope he calls me back!!  I wanted to ask him questions about the injections and also about my knee issues with it shifting and such.  It is driving me crazy! 


Diana, I never had time to play Pogo!  :(  Thanks for that invite though.  Since being depressed, I just want to do nothing all day every day.  I force myself to do things anyway.

I will update again another time.  I can't wait to be done with this crap!  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 16, 2008, 12:57:51 AM
Good news you are feeling better mentally Farrah.  I'm so glad for you.  And the injections were approved too.  That's awesome!  Better things are down the road for you!!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: WorkinWings on May 16, 2008, 01:37:28 AM
Hi Farrah,

Geez! 
You've been through so much... 

I've been gone for a couple of weeks and need to catch up, now.  You and Tanya had asked me some questions, but I was in a rush to get ready for the trip, so I didn't have a chance to reply--sorry.  I will go back and look, but don't know if it'd still be relevant.

Sorry to hear the kneecap's been even naughtier... 

You know, mine has gotten sooooo much better since I started to wear my latest brace.  It's the best!  Even though I've been traveling, which kills my knee, I'm better off now than I was before I left, just because of the brace. 

Have you ever tried to wear one?

Glad you're starting to feel relief from the meds! 

You are one brave KG!

Take care,

Angela
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 16, 2008, 01:47:30 AM
Hi Angela, I haven't worn a brace on my surgery knee except for the PO one. My OS doesn't like his patients to be in braces.  Which brace are you wearing?  I forgot.  I think I remember...isn't it a Donjoy?  I am glad your knee is feeling a bit better.  You can e-mail me anytime b/c I am trying not to be on KG too much.  It seems to upset me when I read everyone's success stories while I am still struggling.  I know that sounds selfish, but it's true.  I still occassionally read other diaries, but try to stick with mine for now.  I try to give support to those that I have been following since the beginning. 

Everyone tells me how brave and strong I am, but I don't see it.  I just feel like this knee doesn't want to get better and allow me to walk.  :(  I hope you continue to do better!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 16, 2008, 09:38:54 AM
Farrah,
My knee problem has been ongoing almost 3 years now and pretty much worsening for 2 years of it and just no change in the past 6 months or so - but only if I do loads of physio every day to stop my muscles wasting. So I come on here and read about people with much less 'serious' problems (as in their day to day life is not as badly affected) and it would wreck anyones head!!! Course it does - its not easy to see people come and go while youre still struggling!!! Ive had friends on here facing massive surgeries who are now off living their lives and nothing has changed for me. Its not being selfish - its being human to feel frustrated!!!!

You always give loads of support!!

And you ARE being very brave and super strong!!!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 16, 2008, 09:56:26 AM
Hi Farrah,

Glad you hear you are feeling better mentally. I am glad the meds are starting to kick in. You also need to ask your GP about going to see a counsellor or psychologist to help you deal with the depression. It will not go away.

Like Tanya, I have been struggling with my left knee for a very long time. I developed medial instability after my lateral release 9 years later. I tried conservative treatment for a long time, but didn't work. So I underwent two separate operations which helped, but then I had my car accident last year which has really stirred it up and my knee cap comes out all the time. It is not fun, I can assure you. Like Tanya I am having surgery next Thursday and my OS thinks it should fix my problems once and for all. I am nervous about it and just hope it works. Just so sick of enduring all these operations. It will be the fifth one on my left knee. So, there are definitely people on here that don't have 100% success.

Chin up !!! You are doing amazingly well.

Have a good weekend.   :D :D :D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 18, 2008, 10:41:51 AM
Hi Farrah, what's going on over here in your world?  Are you getting out some?  I know you're struggling with the depression, pain, and frustration of it all but hopefully you're still finding time to get out with hubby and your friends?  Hope the new drugs are making you feel much better. 

Have a great Sunday. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 18, 2008, 01:27:45 PM
Hello Lenore,

Everything is the same over here in "my world" :)  I can't wait for a change!  The anti-depressants are allowing me to deal with it all better.  I am still sad and frustrated, but I am managing it a little better.  I still can't sleep.  My husband and I are doing well.  We go out to dinner every now and then despite how I feel. 

Tomorrow I am suppose to call my OS's office to possibly schedule my first Euflexxa injection earlier than my Thursday's OS apt.  They will probably put me on one of the PA's schedules to do them.  I have been trying to reach my OS's PA to ask him questions about the Euflexxa before I have one!  I called him twice last week on his cell, but no calls back!  I kind of want to know what the future would be if they do help.  I also want to know if the injection will cause me to take half a day off work b/c of pain and swelling...the cortisone caused my back to kill me too.  So I just want to know if the Euflexxa is similar in feeling.  Things are doing okay.  Long week ahead of me.  I am definitely read for this to be over. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 19, 2008, 02:29:42 AM
I didn't think this was a big deal until it lasted forever!! When I got home today from my mother-in-law's I didn't remember that my knee locked up while sitting in the car and accidentally straightened when I got out of the car!!! It popped very loudly and painfully and swelled up immediately.  It is probably 2 hrs later and it is still swollen and very painful to slightly bear weight!!  Usually when this happens, the pain starts to settle down over 2 hours, but this time it hasn't gotten better at all!!  It is very bad!  I am icing for the 2nd time since it happened, but the pain isn't going away.  I can't hardly bend and straighten it without a huge amount of pain!!  I am still on crutches, so I am just not putting my foot down at all.  Usually I at least try to walk normally with some weight down.  The more it hurts, the more I push on the crutches.  This sucks!  I am suppose to call my OS's office tomorrow, so maybe they will call me back if I leave a message!  Hopefully it gets better overnight!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 19, 2008, 09:30:36 AM
Hi Farrah,
At least you are definitely seeing your OS this week and you can try and get some answers off him, your knee is not improving at all - something needs to change - I hope the injections give you some relief, ask him whats the plan if they dont?
Im only 3 days to go - yikes!!! Washed my slippers last night, washing my dressing gown tonight - its making it 'real'!!!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 19, 2008, 09:32:20 AM
Hi Farrah,

Sorry to hear you are still struggling.

Did you ring your doctor to let them know how the medication is working ? I know I've said this before but you really need to see a counsellor or psychologist to help deal with your injury and depression. As soon as you start working through it I promise you will feel so much better about it.

Chin up, things can only get better !!!  :D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 19, 2008, 10:59:53 AM
Hello guys...thanks for your support despite having your surgeries in only 3 days!!  I am happy for you guys that some of your questions may be answered soon...or your problems may be fixed!  Tanya, I know they will figure yours out.  Kirsty, I hope the trochleaplasty is the answer for you!

Kirsty, I can't go see a counselor or anyone like that b/c of money.  It costs $40 a visit, and right now I am saving that money for physical health.  I have a psychologist that I could go see if I get desperate enough, but until then, I just can't afford it.  Thanks for your concern about it though.  I agree about talking to someone, but I think things are getting a little better mentally with the medication.  I did call my GP to give her an update, but she didn't call me back....imagine that!!  I guess none of my doctors like to talk to me!

I woke up this morning hoping last nights events would be better this morning, but they are not....still swollen and painful to bear weight at all.

Gotta get ready for my long day at work :(

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 19, 2008, 11:38:40 AM
Hi Farrah,

We are here to support you. Can't believe the doctor hasn't rung you back yet. Hopefully you'll hear today. I am hoping the trochleoplasty will work too. Just so sick of operations followed by more rehab.

I hear you when you say that money is tight and not going because of money. However, your mental health is sooo important and often gets neglected. Even if you went once a month I'm sure it would make a big difference. Please think about it. You are not just dealing with your physical health right now. Please address it.

Have a good day at work.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: WorkinWings on May 19, 2008, 01:55:51 PM
Hi Farrah, I wrote you a little note in my "fixing a failed LR" thread...  There's even a little visual reward in the end, for your trouble   ;)
Cheers,
Angela
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 19, 2008, 04:11:48 PM
Wow!  That sounds painful!  I know you have a doc visit this week too bad they can't move things to get you in sooner.  I would definately let them know about everything going on.  I hope you get that call back!  Something is definately not right.  I read in an article before I had the surgery that ocassionally the TTT is not done tight enough.  Causing the knee cap to not track correctly and also causing it to continue to dislocate. It also stated that it can be done too tight also causing problems.  Honestly I have searched for the article and can't find it.  I found it on another site for professionals.  Not sure if I got that right but its something to ask about.  Possibly. Has anyone else here read anything about that?  I may have it wrong which is why I have tried to find the article.  Maybe someone on here might have more info on that. 
    Be careful today.

Melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 19, 2008, 04:45:30 PM
Bad enough to worry about your knee and now you have to worry about the finances of it all too.  On top of trying to get anyone to call you back.  No wonder you are depressed!  Wishing you better luck in the near future Farrah.

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 19, 2008, 05:56:15 PM
Well guys, I am giving up on my PA to call me back.  I called my friend in the OS's office to schedule all three injections.  I decided to stick with my May 22nd OS apt and have the first injection that day instead of going in earlier.  Then they scheduled me for May 29th and June 5th for the last two with my Sports Medicine Doctor.  He was my doctor until December when I saw my OS (same clinic).  My friend asked me if I wanted to reschedule my OS apt so I can start my injections earlier, and I said no way....I have to see my OS soon!  I have a suspicion that the injections are not the answer.  That is why I want to talk to my OS or PA before they start them.  I have these thoughts b/c of the way my knee locks up and swells up when I accidentally "unlock" it...very painful.  It has eased up a little since this morning, but definitely is still way worse than usual!  I can't bear weight at all!  UGH!  :(  :'( :'(

Gotta get back to work. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on May 19, 2008, 11:20:05 PM
  It will have to get better sometime, just hang in there.   Maybe you can ask about the injections at the appointment before he starts since you're going to be there anyways?

I know mine is bad about returning phone calls, usually won't get one until the next day, or sometimes two days later.  I think they only check their phones like once a day.  Plus they have more than one office so if they are working a different office, they don't get the calls.

Farrah, I know there are places where they can base the cost of your therapy visits on how much money you make, maybe one of those might help? 


Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 19, 2008, 11:59:20 PM
My knee hurts so bad!!  I got out of my car from driving my 1hr commute home and I couldn't bear weight even with the straight leg.  I can't even bend it right now without a tremendous amount of pain.  It is too much pain for pain meds to work!!  I called my OS's office about 5 minutes before the office closes.  I asked my friend there to do a huge favor for me and tell my PA that I really need to talk to him and I made a huge fuss about it.  I told her to tell him that I am calling all the time and driving her nuts...I told her this so he would call me!  Well I got a call 10 minutes later from one of the technicians asking what is wrong with my knee.  So I told him that I wanted to talk to the PA about Euflexxa and also tell him about what has been happening with my knee locking up.  I told him what happened last night.  Am I stupid for wanting to talk to him even though my apt is on Thursday??  I just want some answers about Euflexxa for one and get my mind off the locking knee.  I figured maybe if I could talk to him about it, then I could stop thinking about it.  Well the technician said he'd give my PA the message and he should call me back.  Well it is past the time he would usually call and guess what....NO @#q#$% CALL!  I DON'T KNOW IF MY DEPRESSION MEDS ARE WORKING OR NOT B/C THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY ARE.  I AM CRYING AGAIN!  I AM JUST TIRED OF IT.  IS IT SO BAD THAT I WANT THIS CRAP OFF MY MIND??  I don't want Euflexxa until I can talk to someone about it!!!  Is that too much to ask??  I also suck about complaining to the OS's face, so talking to the PA on the phone seems like a good solution until my apt on Thursday where I can say it all again and it wouldn't be the first time to hear about it.  I am just trying to take care of myself the best way I know how. 

Did I do wrong by calling AGAIN??

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 20, 2008, 12:25:28 AM
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.  They can't keep ignoring you forever. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 20, 2008, 01:59:40 AM
So he finally called at 8:30pm!  He said that the locking could be from the muscle weakness.  SO on Thursday we are doing isokinetic testing to see the strength of my muscles.  This will prove if the weakness is the problem or not.  THe thing is, I have seen this done before...it involves extending and flexing the leg really fast as hard as you can...I can't do that b/c of pain...guess he didn't think of that.  Oh well...it will get figured out on Thursday.  He also said that the Euflexxa could help with a lot of the pain and allow the muscles to get stronger once the pain is gone if weakness is the problem.  If we do the Euflexxa, then it could take the next 7 weeks to know if it helps!  So this could be another 7 weeks of CRAPPY PAIN!  UGH!  He said that it will not make the catching and whatever go away, but getting the muscles stronger can help that.  WHATEVER.  He said, "we have a plan now."  I said yeah, a long one!!!  I thought I would feel better talking to him, but NO!

Farrah 

I don't like this new plan!  7 more weeks!!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 20, 2008, 09:12:31 AM
Hi Farrah,
Isokinetic testing? Well I had a year of that. I mean, as a diagnostic its good, and it can help with setting goals and getting to them, but in your case you KNOW you have too much pain to use your muscles properly so I cant see whats its going to show them? Although he could well be right about the locking and cracking being muscle weakness - my locking and cracking sensations were much worse before i built up a lot of muscle. The key for you is getting the pain backed down to a level where you CAN strengthen your muscles.
You dont have to go fast with the isokinetic testing - the machine only gives you as much resistance as you can manage - its made so that it backs down and lets you set the pace and then just measures that. But if you have too much pain to do it they will have to leave it and dont be afraid to make them stop if you need to.
Ask him about e-stim too Farrah - it might help the muscles and it is so easy and doesnt hurt anything.

And dont feel bad for calling or wanting to talk to someone about whats going on - you are perfectly entitled to do all of that!!!
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 20, 2008, 01:08:38 PM
Hi Farrah,

The more I read your threads the more I think you need to see a psychologist or counsellor, even if it's only once a month. You need to get your GP to refer you to a psychiatrist who is a specialist in dealing with depression. I know you have huge issues with your knee, but need to get your depression addressed ASAP.

Don't feel bad about ringing your surgeons rooms. They really need to know what's going on.

Good luck with the injections.  :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 20, 2008, 04:02:00 PM
Farrah you have every right to be mad, angry, frustrated and sad.  Your life has been completely turned upside down.  I have a small suggestion that may or may not help.  there is a website called www.livejournal.com  it can be used like a diary/journal/blog.  If you want to use it as a online diary/journal and it be private all you have to do is make the box at the bottme of each entry 'private" no one can read it. I do this and it has helped  alot.  I too have signs of depression.  I am not taking anything for it right now just journaling.  I am hoping things will change mentally for me after this scope on my left knee.  We will see.  It things dont change then I will be talking to my GP about it. 
Journally seems to help me.  It private so I dont have to worry about offending anyone or anyone commenting on my thoughts about things.  It really has helped me.  I can vent, scream cry and I feel a little better mentally. 
      Maybe you should write down everything you want to say to your OS. Read it out loud and take it with you.  If you just cant say it without crying through it then hand him the letter and let him read it.  At least then you have expressed everything.  I did that the last time I saw my OS about my left knee.  He read it answered my questions and now we have a plan.  I know they have a plan but you have many questions that you cant get expressed because you are so emotionally drained as well as physically.
    Hope this helps!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 20, 2008, 10:14:50 PM
19 weeks PO today :(  It will be 6 months PO before we know if Euflexxa injections worked.  :( :(
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 21, 2008, 09:35:23 AM
Hi Farrah,
well - OS appointment tomorrow for you where you get to blast him with your issues and try to get some answers out of him.
Ask him if the TTT is tight could that be causing rubbing on the cartilage and if so will it ease in time? I do remember after my TTT that I had aching pain for a long time - but it was they type of thing that built up in a day, i didnt wake up too bad. It stopped over time, now I understand it was from the forces being transferred differently across my kneecap - it wore away cartilage in a different pattern and that hurt til it all settled.

Hope you are feeling better today - hows the anti depresssant meds going?

So Im being sliced and diced tomorrow - feel ok about it.

Think I might have a hip cartilage tear - was self diagnosing on the internet last night - always a bad idea!!!!

So - despite the op tomorrow im looking forward to a couple of days off work and a step nearer to a proper diagnosis.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 21, 2008, 12:10:21 PM
Farrah,

All the best for your OS appointment tomorrow. I hope it goes well and you get some answers.

My D day is tomorrow. Will be glad for it to be over. Not looking forward to the pain afterwards !!!

See you on the other side.  ;)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 21, 2008, 06:21:49 PM
Tanya and Kirsty, I wish you guys the best of luck with your surgeries tomorrow!! 

I spent my lunch researching doctors and calling the insurance company to see who is covered.  Unfortunately I can't go out of state.  So I am stuck in Georgia to see doctors.  So I did lots of research and found 2 great clinics and scheduled two apts for after my injections are done with and after the time period of the waiting to see if they worked is over.  I am scheduled with one OS on June 23rd and the other for June 26th. 

I was infomed today that my OS apt may be cancelled for tomorrow and replaced with just an apt with my sports medicine doctor for an injection...no exam.  I am supposed to get a call from the OS's office later to let me know when my OS apt will be.  It still could be tomorrow.  If not, my friend knows that I am anxious to get in there. 

I took myself off Ultram ER b/c it wasn't enough relief and am back on hydrocodone every 6-8hrs. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 21, 2008, 06:52:57 PM
Thanks Farrah.

Im glad you set up new appointments also - thats a very positive mental step!!
What do you mean you cant go out of state? Is it because of your insurance? Can you even pay for a private consultation yourself out of state if you wanted to (but not go for surgery - just have a consult to get an opinion?).

Im feeling ok - Ive just packed my dressing gown and slippers and taken off my nail varnish as requested :)
Thats all I have to bring - well besides a book, Im not bringing my ipod as our hospitals are notorious for theft of such items. But I will have to bring my mobile phone......

Im just wanting it to be over now.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 21, 2008, 11:09:38 PM
Hi Farrah,

Thanks for the good luck wishes. I reckon that's ridiculous. Hope your OS appointment is not cancelled.

Speak to you on the other side.  :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 21, 2008, 11:20:53 PM
Hello guys, so I actually spoke with my PA on the way home from work today.  I asked him what the deal is for tomorrow.  He said that I am doing the isokinetic (muscle) testing tomorrow and getting my first injection.  It will be with him and my sports medicine doctor.  He said that my OS will be around doing surgery, so once I get the tests done, they will go over them and determine what the deal is.  So I may or may not have an OS apt coming up.  At this point, I don't care anymore.  I figured for now there is nothing they could say or do except to try the shots and test my muscles to see if that is the problem.  If it is, then PT.  If it isn't then they will figure something else out.  We'll see how it goes.  I will update my diary after it all tomorrow.  My apt is at 11:15am.  Have a good one everyone.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: kathat on May 22, 2008, 11:18:22 AM
Hi Farrah,

Just wanted to wish you lots of luck at your appointment tomorrow. I really hope you get to see your OS and that he has some ideas for you. Well done on making the other appointments. At least you have something to keep you going if you don't have much luck with your OS tomorrow. I hope the testing isn't too painful for you. Fingers crossed!!!

((((((HUGS))))))

Kathy
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 22, 2008, 04:44:51 PM
HI Farrah

   Hope the testing went well and wasnt too painful.  I also hope you got to talk to the OS!  THinking good thoughts and praying you get answers!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 22, 2008, 06:16:07 PM
Hello...just got back from the apt.  I don't know what to think anymore.  When I arrived, I signed in to sports med...so they called me back within 5 mins.  I told her I was getting an injection and doing the iso testing.  So they took me to to PT to do the tests...I was so nervous.  My old PT administered it with me....sooooooooooo painful!!!!  Well the results weren't good.  Very weak muscles...duh!  I don't know how accurate it is with how painful it was for me to do it.  My reaction was very slow b/c of pain...so I don't care about that test, but for now I will go with what my sports med dr and my PA said.  So back to PT starting next Thursday.  They said they are going to give me strong pain meds to get through it.  I have to get my muscles stronger to make the pain go away.  Meanwhile, I am still doing the Euflexxa until all 3 are done.  They hope this makes pain go away so I can get through PT better....let's hope!  I am also keeping my two new OS apts for the end of June.  My hook up in my OS's receptionist office is gone for good...her last day was today :(  So my commincation will get worse. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 22, 2008, 07:39:14 PM
WOW!  That stinks that no new ideas on how to help you.  I really hope the shots help you the most!  and maybe the pain meds will help you get through the PT>  It really stinks your contact is no longer going to be working there. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 22, 2008, 10:00:25 PM
I'm crossing my fingers for you that PT will go OK.  How's the depression?  Are you seeing any difference or still feeling really down? 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 22, 2008, 10:38:30 PM
Hello,

My depression is okay.  The meds seem to help get me through the days a little better.  I still have frustrating upsetting days, but I am sure that is normal.  Generally I have been much better.  Unfortunately the depression meds make me very tired throughout the day and make the days very very long for me.  So I come home and rest for the remaining of the nights. 

The Euflexxa injection wasn't painful at all.  They used that cold spray right before, so I never felt the stick.  I could definitely feel the gel getting pushed into the joint...very weird feeling.  My sports med doctor put some of the fluid on my finger afterwards to show me what he was putting in there.  It was really a weird feeling.  He told me my knee would feel weird for a few days.  It will still take a few weeks to feel a difference. 

I went back to work after my apt to try to make it through the day knowing how much my knee went through today.  I was there for about an hour and the pain was too much to handle any longer.  So I went home.  I think the combination of the muscle tests and the injection have caused quit a bit of pain and discomfort.  I have been icing, but it isn't helping with the pain. 

So I have been thinking a little since being home.  We could have figured this all out earlier if my PA would have called me back!  The pain has been so so bad lately that I have just been miserable.  It amazes me that my muscle weakness can cause so many problems.  I understand some problems, but not all of them.  I should have asked how long it would take to notice a difference with PT again.  I also wanted to know if I could walk in the Peachtree Road Race on July 4th if I am able to walk by then.  If not, then I have to sell my number in time. 

Well I hope Tanya and Kirsty are doing well after their surgeries!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 23, 2008, 02:52:56 PM
Hi Farrah,
Im glad you survived through the isokinetic test and the injection. I really hope the injection does something positive for you.
I know - it is hard to believe the problems from muscle weakness isnt it? It just causes so much pain, but its next to impossible to build muscle with the pain like that so you will have to get strong pain meds to be able to do the physio. I had to ice and use pain meds for a while for physio, best results are to take pain meds beforehand and then ice afterwards.
Im suspicious of the accuracy of isokinetic testing also - pain wont let you use muscles you know?
I am so glad youre feeling a little better mentally though.
Im limping about, sore today but im ok.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 23, 2008, 03:12:49 PM
My company just announced 20% pay cuts starting next pay check!!  I don't know how I am going to pay for medical expenses!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: WorkinWings on May 23, 2008, 03:20:41 PM
Oh NO, Farrah!

That's all you needed!

I'm sooo sorry!





There will be a way. 


Keep in touch...

Angela
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 23, 2008, 07:24:15 PM
oh no Farrah - thats terrible.
You will find a way, it will be ok. Hopefully you wont have medical expenses too much longer anyway - if the injections work and you do better with physio? You dont need to see the physiotherapists too often once you know how to do the exercises - I used to only see mine every month or so.
Dont worry - it will be alright.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 23, 2008, 07:44:40 PM
Hey guys, I rescheduled my next 2 injections and PT dates for a day later.  I am trying to minimize the amount of work missed with all these doctor and PT apts.  So one of the desk ladies helped me tremendously with rescheduling the PT apt right before the newly scheduled injection apts.  She immediately directly talked to the doctor to make sure waiting an extra day for next week's injection was okay.  Then she asked him if he could do the shots at 12pm for me. So she was able to shuffle some things around and get me on my usual PT's schedule again...yah!  She was so helpful...for some reason it is very important to my doctors to have PT before the injections.  I have also been able to schedule my other weekly PT apts so I don't have to miss any work for it anymore...unless I have to do 2 apts a week.  We'll see how that goes.

Still in pain...wish this was over.  I am trying to be more positive.  Thank goodness for depression meds...it makes getting through these days much easier. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 23, 2008, 08:10:19 PM
20% pay cuts.  Ouch!  Poor you Farrah.  I am so glad the meds are helping though. 
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on May 23, 2008, 09:23:27 PM
Farrah

I hope you are ok and sorry to hear about work.

I hope the injections give you some releief to make PT bearable. I want you to know I am thinking of you. I am having a few internet issues but they say an enginerr should fix it over the weekend so I hope to be on more then.

You just know you are in my thoughts.

Love and hugs
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 23, 2008, 10:04:49 PM
Three day weekend starting now!  I am going to my parent's lake house to spend the weekend.  We leave for our 2 hr drive tonight.  I am planning on taking lots of pain meds starting in a few minutes. 

I have been thinking a lot about what's coming up for me as far as PT and the next injections go.  I am very afraid of what PT will cause me again.  Since taking a break from it, the constant pain has been much better.  The driving and walking pain has gotten worse though....ugh!  I am so afraid that starting PT will cause the pain to always be bad again!!!!!  I can't take worse than what I am already experiencing.  I am going to talk to my PA next week before my first PT apt and see if he can prescribe me something stronger than hydrocodone for before and after PT.  The hydrocodone doesn't make weight bearing any better.  So that wouldn't help with PT.  The pain is too sharp and strong!!  I hope he has a solution for that pain with any type of medication for now!  I also know that the pain will be so much worse the day of PT and the few days after.  I am not looking forward to all of this again!!!  I guess no pain no gain.  If my pain gets worse again, I don't know what I am going to do.  Well that is my negativity for today. I just have to keep reminding myself of the current Euflexxa injections and hope to get relief from that.  I wish I could start PT after the injections are done :(  Oh well.  Have a great weekend everyone!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on May 23, 2008, 10:47:16 PM
Have a good relaxing weekend Farrah, you can surely use it.  Although it does seem like since gymnastics have been over, you aren't pushing yourself quite so hard, which is also good since you are still healing.

The pay cuts have got to suck. If things don't get better at our office soon, we may be right there with you. We've already cut staff.   I really hope all of the PT and injections start to work for you. 

Maybe if you can't do the 4th of July walk, you can aim for one later in the year?  I would like to do the Susan G Komen 5K walk in October, but I'm not sure I'll even be at that point.  Can't see it right now, but it's nice to have a goal


Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: BigSkyGirl on May 23, 2008, 11:51:22 PM
Hi Farrah, I just wanted to say hi and that I am thinking about you.  The PT is hard but they will help you, let them know when it is actual pain and when it's just uncomfortable (sometimes it's hard to tell the difference).  You will get there and your knee will get better.  It seems like it won't but trust me, it will.  We are here for you always!!!!  The KG always help me when I am down and I want to be there for you....enjoy your weekend!!   8)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 24, 2008, 01:26:50 PM
Hi Farrah,
I sure wish I was there to go to the lake house with you for the weekend. I could refuse to do anything citing my recovery as a reason to stay still and you could tell everyone you have pain and want to rest and between the 2 of us we'd get everyone else doing stuff for us all the time!!! I could use some sun and relaxation!!

Im feeling ok today. Less sore than yesterday but my knee is stiffening up a good bit when Im still for any length of time. I changed my dressing - talk about yuck factor -  i did NOT like seeing it!!

I slept a little better last night - still not brilliant though - its hard to sleep when youve a sore part isnt it?

Try not to worry about whats coming up. You will find a bearable medium with your physio. And hopefully the injections will give you much relief.

Im off to make some lunch - Im home alone today getting up to mischief.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 25, 2008, 08:13:08 AM
Hi Farrah,

I hope you have a nice weekend away. It will do you the world of good.

Yesterday I came home from hospital and have been surprised how good I feel. Not going to push things though. My pain is quite manageable and my instability is not there AT ALL !!! So, very excited about that.

Had an interesting hospital stay, including a dud physio. Will start my post-op diary in the next couple of days.

Try not to worry about your upcoming PT too much. I'm sure it will work out. I think it's great you have some other opinions coming up.

Enjoy your weekend.  8)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 26, 2008, 06:28:14 AM
The lake house trip didn't make my knees happy.  I didn't do too much, but I guess I wasn't sitting the way my knees like it.  My surgery knee hurt a lot over the weekend.  I tried taking the darvocet along with the Ultram ER and indocin, but the darvocet just doesn't help.  I tried it Saturday and Sunday.  So today (Monday) I will try hydrocodone again.  I just wanted to take darvocet so I wouldn't get sleepy or anything.  Oh well.  My knee is a constant #5 right now and a #8 with walking/weight bearing.  UGH!  Today is Memorial Day in the U.S., so I have the day off from work.  So I plan on resting most of the day until the evening for a cook out.  I hope everyone has a great Monday! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 26, 2008, 10:10:53 AM
Hi Farrah,

Sorry to hear that you're still struggling.

When are your appointments for some other opinions ?

I'm doing quite well. Just been watching DVD's at home today.  :D
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 26, 2008, 10:44:53 AM
Farrah, I left you a note over on my diary.
At least you have today off work, rest as much as you can.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: WorkinWings on May 26, 2008, 02:56:11 PM
Hi Farrah,

Happy Memorial Day to you!  It's great to be welcoming start of the summer season, isn't it?
I'll probably be complaining of the heat and having to wear a brace and the mosquitoes and all that, soon...  But I still love it.  :)

I am so glad that you are finally going to get other opinions on your knee.  Is this going to be the first time after the Jan 8 Fulkerson that you see someone other than your surgeon about it??  It just does not sound right to be having so many problems so long after surgery...  I know I don't know much about this stuff, of course, but it just seems like all that has been done for you in the last few months has not really addressed the cause of your symptoms, only the symptoms themselves.  I don't mean to be pessimistic at all.  I just am hoping that a couple of fresh brains might finally end up getting to the bottom of this for you.

You've suffered too much.

Enjoy your day off.  Relax and pamper yourself as much as possible.   :D

And hang in there, ok?

Hugs,

Angela
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 26, 2008, 03:07:32 PM
Hello Angela!  I had another opinion a few weeks ago that was miserable.  He pretty much said he wouldn't touch me b/c of the extensive surgery I had only 4 months ago at the time.  He also said none of his colleagues would touch me either.  So I cried in the exam room and all the way home that day.  I told myself I wouldn't go through with that again until 6 months PO.  So my two upcoming apts are around 6 months PO.  I will be 5 months PO tomorrow.  If the injections work and my OS is on top of things, then I may cancel one or both of them to save some money.  If I am still struggling, then of course I will be there looking for answers. 

Thanks so much for your support everyone!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 26, 2008, 10:43:28 PM
Farrah, Sorry you're still having so much pain with that blasted knee.  Glad to hear you were able to get out kayaking on Saturday.  That's awesome.  It really is peaceful and the best part of it is that you don't have to use your knee much at all.  Getting in and out is a challenge but I'm glad to see you found a way. 

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 27, 2008, 03:23:39 AM
So it's the end of the 3-day weekend.  I had a busy one, but relaxing at ever activity.  Today I actually sat around all day until about 4pm and then had to go to a cook out for Memorial Day.  Because I sat around all day, I didn't have to take any extra pain meds, just Ultram ER and indocin.  I still can't walk or anything, but the constant pain has subsided.  So I am good until I have to drive in to work tomorrow morning.  I tried my shield knee brace today to see if holding my knee cap in place would help with walking...guess what!  It did!!  I actually could take some small steps with the brace on.  I can't wear it for now until my OS approves it b/c they are truly against wearing knee braces b/c of muscle strength.  The last thing I need is to cause more atrophy or prevent strengthening it.  I am going to try taping my knee cap tomorrow.  My skin doesn't like it, so if it helps, I will talk to my PT on Friday about wearing the knee brace to do the same kind of thing the tape does.  Now it doesn't take the pain away, but it helps.  It is better than taking so much medication.  I am going to wear my knee brace while driving tomorrow and see if that helps.  I am also going to take my tape and try out both things tomorrow so I can give my PT some good information about what helps or doesn't.  I tried the brace and tape a few months ago, but they didn't help.  Things must have changed some how b/c now the brace does help.  It doesn't necessarily support my muscles, but it does use them.  Here is the website for the brace....it's kind of like the donjoy tru pull. 

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://helyweber.com/products/5674Inset2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dme-direct.com/shields-knee-brace-patella-stabilizer-hely-weber/&h=153&w=153&sz=6&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=HSdoqqyCmyVDKM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=96&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dshield%2Bknee%2Bbrace%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: kathat on May 27, 2008, 04:59:31 AM
Hi Farrah,

I know the PTs etc don't like braces BUT if they reduce pain so you can exercise and build up muscle that way then they certainly have their uses. The biggest trap is using a brace INSTEAD of building up muscle. If you have a brace that reduces your pain such that you can do some muscle building activity and exercises designed to strengthen the weak muscles, then I don't see why your PT or OS should have a problem. Once you have the muscle support then you can wean off the brace, the same as people wean off the immobilisers after surgery. See what your PT says when you see him/her. And good luck!

Kathy
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 27, 2008, 08:56:00 AM
Hi Farrah,

That's great the brace is helping and have less pain.

My OS was against me using a bigger brace initially, but then gave in as he could see how unstable it was. The brace allowed me to do more exercise and have less pain. It is definitely worth considering.
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 27, 2008, 09:49:12 AM
Im with Kirsty and Kathy on this - if the brace takes away pain enough to let you gain strength then its worth it.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 27, 2008, 01:09:37 PM
5 months PO today....exactly 20 weeks!   I wore the brace to drive to work today and it helped with about 20% of the pain during driving and then with the walking after that.  The pain walking after driving is the absolute worst out of all of it on any day...even with the crutches and not putting my foot down.  Just moving after driving sucks!   I am going to stick with the brace for the day and see how it feels after taking it off later.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 27, 2008, 10:32:45 PM
Funny how OS are so different/.  My OS is a brace supporter.  He has told me in the past he'd rather see a brace on me that allows me to gain the muscle strength and supports the knee cap than see me struggle with pain due to the instability of the knee cap.
   It you see a significant change and it allows you to rebuild those muscles then I would reallt talk to you PT.  The PT may support the use of the brace and at this point the OS has got to at least let you try.  Yes I believe we must listen to the OSs but sometimes you have to make a judgement call!  USE the brace if it is helping you!
melissa
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on May 28, 2008, 12:04:40 AM

I agree, if the brace is doing the same thing taping is, then why not use it?  Have you tried doing any of the PT exercises with it on just to see if it helps?  If it does, that's even more ammunition to use for keeping the brace for now.

I'm not talking about doing a lot, but just enough to see if it makes a difference. But it's good that something makes you feel a little better after all of this time.


Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 28, 2008, 12:50:18 AM
Okay so the brace wasn't as good as I thought it was.  I was good all morning, but then it started causing all kinds of stiffness and pain all around the area that always hurts.  The usual pain was a little better, but the rest of it was horrible.  So I would take it off and then the usual pain would come back a lot worse and constant.  The other pain would also be worse and constant.  So I was in tears and tons of pain on my way home.  Taking the brace off again didn't help at all, but made it worse.  So I have been in bad pain all day long today!  So I don't know what to do about this.  The outside of my knee is just throbbing where it is usually tender anyway, but the pain right now is horrible.  I am going to try taping it tomorrow instead of bracing.  Maybe the brace just put too much pressure on other areas where I have pain.

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 28, 2008, 03:14:32 AM
Hi Farrah,

Sorry to hear that you're really struggling.

You may want to play around with wearing the brace at different times. I would wear my brace to and from work and while I was at work. Then at home I'd take it off. You may want to take it off at work and see how that goes.

The other thing you may want to consider is trying different braces. It took me a while to find the right one.

I was using both my breathable and firm Breg Road Runner braces. It really helped me. Hopefully I'll never have to use them again.

Really hope those injections start to help soon.  ;)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 28, 2008, 10:38:39 AM
Ouch!  Your pain is killing me Farrah.  I so wish you could be pain free for once.  Hope you find the right combination of bracing/taping whatever.  You just need some relief. 

When is your next visit to the lake house?  Do you go every weekend or only on holidays?  It sounds so nice.  Does the whole family get together there?

Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: BigSkyGirl on May 28, 2008, 01:26:24 PM
Hi Farrah, I know you are getting lots of advice but here's my take on the brace.  Treat it like I treated my orthotics.  I wore them the first day for a few hours (killed my foot) and worked up to all day (feels great now).  Or like when you wear contact lenses - they tell you to wear them for a few hours and work your way into the entire day.  Maybe the brace/taping combo is the way to go, yeah it's a pain in the @$$ but what's the alternative.

It is frustrating BC you have been dealing with this for so long but sometimes it jut takes awhile to work into something.  Try not to get discouraged and maybe try not to think of what you are missing but rather what you can do this week you couldn't do last week/month/year.  Whatever it takes to make you see you are making progress.

Thinking of you!!!   :)
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 28, 2008, 06:09:40 PM
Driving in to work sucked today.  I couldn't wear the brace under the pants I am wearing to work today.  I did try the tape earlier today and it helped about the same amount as the brace did at first.  The tape was itching, so I had to take it off.  I will try the brace for short periods tomorrow.  I have lots of info to report back to my PT with now.  I can let her know how the tape/brace helped or didn't help.  I am still a nervous wreck about going to PT on Friday.  I just know the pain will be horrible...the hydrocodone doesn't help bad pain like with my walking and driving and such.  So hopefully PT will not cause that kind of pain b/c the hydrocodone will not help anymore!  :( 

I have a call out to my GP for some sleeping pills b/c I am tired of being tired all day at work and with driving.  My anti-depressants are doing great for me!! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 28, 2008, 07:40:14 PM
My GP prescribed me ambien to help get some sleep finally!

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Sore knee on May 28, 2008, 08:15:36 PM
Farrah

I am so pleased your GP gave you something. I so wish you could find some releif with the knee pain because just the sheer drain of the pain leaves you so tired. I am glad to see you about here more and hope you are finding some support again.

You are coping admirably as its tough, but you keep going. Fingers crossed for you for PT this week.

Hang in there  :-*
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on May 29, 2008, 12:45:05 AM
Farrah,

Hope the Ambien works for you and glad the antidepressants are working at least.  Have you tried oxycodone for the pain for PT?  It didn't do anything for me, but it's supposed to be good.

Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 29, 2008, 01:31:29 AM
Okay...dissection time. The tape didn't help as much as the brace did at first.  With the brace during the first 2 hours yesterday, it helped with driving and walking about 60% weight bearing, but still had pain and wouldn't be able to walk crutchless.  With the tape, I could only walk with about 30% weight bearing if I had to guess.  Both the brace and taping still left a lot of pain, but was more tolerable.  The brace was my favorite b/c it gave me more confidence in weight bearing while trying to walk...until it started making the rest of my knee stiff and painful.  I think I am done experimenting for now until I talk to my PT on Friday.  I will wear my brace during driving tomorrow. 

I am so excited that I may get some sleep tonight!  I had to talk to the pharmacist about all the meds I am on.  I just don't want to get sick from taking some of the combinations. 

Daily, I take cymbalta (depression), indocin (NSAID), ultram ER (extended release pain pill), and BC.  I can't take just narcotic pain pills b/c my back needs constant pain relief.  Waiting 4 hrs to take meds and then sleeping through the night without any once 4 hrs is up causes me to not be able to get out of bed the next morning.  So that is why I take ultram ER every day. 

As needed, I take ambien (sleeping pill), hydrocodone 10mgs or 7.5mgs (narcotic pain pill) which causes me to take Claritin (OTC allergy), or darvocet (mild narcotic pain pill). I also have tramadol, but that doesn't help at all...neither does the darvocet for that matter. 

For emergencies, I have a muscle relaxer for back pain and percocet (oxycodone) for knee pain.  I only have 3 oxycodones left.  My OS hasn't offered another percocet prescription b/c it is so strong.  I wish he would so that I could take it before and after PT!! 

I have tried taking different prescription pain meds over the last week to see what could help with the sharp walking pain.  I figured if I could find something that helps that, then it would help before and after PT pain.

Well I hope everyone has a great night/day.  Tomorrow is just another day.  Friday is PT/injection day.  I may also be going to see the "sex and the city" movie after the injection.  My husband and I are going to the lake house again Friday-Sunday.  I can't wait!!  It is so relaxing there after the 2 hr drive! 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: tanyap on May 29, 2008, 09:09:29 AM
Hi Farrah,
well you certainly have plenty of info for your PT. I know for sure that some of the issues are weak muscles - no doubt about that. But you are going to need pain relief to get through physio I think.

About Friday - they wont push you too hard, they know its been a while so try not to worry about that. Make sure they are clear about how much you are suffering. Dont put on a brave face if you are hurting - its important that PT knows how much pain you are in.

And when you get your injection please slip into the conversation about the anti depressants AND the sleeping pills. They need to know that.

Hope you have a good day today.
xx
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: Silkncardcrafts on May 29, 2008, 12:07:53 PM
Hi Farrah,

Glad to hear you are going to the lake house for the weekend, it sounds great.

Don't worry too much about the PT, I'm sure it will be fine.

As Tanya said please mention about the anti-depressants and sleeping bills. It is really important. They need to know everything you are taking. Makes their job easier too.

Good luck !!!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: lenorem9 on May 29, 2008, 12:21:54 PM
Good luck at PT tomorrow Farrah and have fun at the lake house.  Kayak, kayak, kayak.  Good for the soul!  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 29, 2008, 06:04:07 PM
I tried bracing for a short while today and it didn't seem to do much for me today.  It is a tricky thing to get on right.  It has to push my patella in the exact perfect location for me to get any relief.  It only gave about 5% relief today.  I will try again later. 

The ambien didn't help me sleep last night.  I still woke up several times throughout the night.  Then this morning when it was time to get up, I was kind of out of it.  I quickly became alert after checking my e-mails and then showering.  I have been very very sleepy all day at work today though. 

I am so excited about what all I have going on in the next few days.  Tomorrow after my PT/injection torcher, I am going to see "sex and the city", then tomorrow night we leave for the lake house, then when we get back from there on Sunday I am gonig to watch my tennis team!!!  It will be a fun busy weekend.  Anyway, my work computer is making a very loud buzzing sound, so I need to turn it off and give it a break for a few minutes so it will shut up!!  Have a good day everyone.  I will keep everyone posted about tomorrow's torcher sessions.  My apt starts at 11am Eastern USA time. 

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: dileigh on May 29, 2008, 10:57:23 PM

Good luck with your first PT session tomorrow and have fun at the lake house this weekend!


Diana
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: arkitect06 on May 30, 2008, 06:52:30 PM
 :'( :'( :'( :'(  Hello guys, so PT was just as I suspected!  I took 2 hydrocodone (the large dose) before PT just in case.  My PT pretty much told me that we aren't going to do the easy stuff anymore and I have to do more weight bearing exercises to get those quads strong.  In my mind I was pissed, but I went through with it.  She told me I had to get through it.  So I did.  I did the most that I have ever done, but it was the worst pain ever during the entire thing!!!!!!  I teared up several times, but tried to hide it.  She knew it hurt me, but she didn't realize how much.  The pain was like someone telling you to stab yourself in the leg or something...you know it is going to hurt, so you can't really do it!  Well I knew the exercises would hurt, but I did them anyway.  The pain one some of them was a #10!!!!  OH MY GOSH DID IT HURT!  To give you an idea of what I did:  leg presses, hamstring curls (that was okay), bike, step ups (the worst), and heal raises.  The leg press and the step ups were the worst ones!!!  It was so bad you guys!!  I told my PT I was in pain.  I also told her about using the tape and how it kind of helped.  She gave me a new brace that doesn't slip!  That helped a tiny bit of the pain.  I am suppose to wear it when I am up on my feet for a while.  I plan on wearing it all day at work and keeping it off once I get home unless I go out.  I got my injection after PT was over.  So my pain is about #7 right now just sitting here!  I took 2 more hydrocodone 10mgs just a bit ago and hopefully can get some type of relief.  I called my PA on my way home and told him about how much pain I was in and that the hydrocodone didn't even touch it!  So we'll see if he calls me back!!!!  I doubt he will, but if he cares about my stupid pain he would.  I am sick of this crap.  I need something to get rid of pain so I don't have to freakin' suffer all the time!!!

I cancelled "sex and the city" movie.  I also cancelled going to the Lake House.  So I will be sitting on my butt for the weekend feeling sorry for myself!  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Farrah
Title: Re: Farrah's Fulkerson Osteotomy Jan 8
Post by: smkelly4kds on May 30, 2008, 07:18:46 PM
Sorry to hear how bad th epain was during PT.  I understand why they want to push you but they forget how much pain you are in.  It doesn't matter that they know, they aren't the ones experiencing the pain!  I hate that you had to cancel the movie and getaway.  Are you sure about canceling the trip.  Or are you afraid the drive would make the pain wose?  I am sure you are going to feel the PT pain later tonight I hope your PA calls you about getting something stronger even if you only take it before or after the PT every week.  At least then you could do the exercises and not be so fearful of the pain that is coming. 
   Can I ask: Is the pain associated with the knee cap itself, in the knee or the ligamnets surrounding the knee?  Just wondering.  Cause the pain I have in my rt knee (TTT) is where the ligaments are.  Actually come to think of it the pain I am having is the same pain I had before surgery just not the unstable knee anymore.  I think mine is associated with the OA.  Not sure.  I did take tylenol arthritis yesterday and got a little relief with that knee.
   Well i am of, gotta get to the school my boys are in a school musical today.  They get out on Tuesday my sugery is on Wed. and Summer begins with me stuck in the house for a few day