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The OSTEOARTHRITIS DEPARTMENT => KNEE ARTHRITIS - Diet and nutritional supplements => Topic started by: gman1 on September 27, 2006, 02:37:50 PM

Title: "More naturals cures revealed"
Post by: gman1 on September 27, 2006, 02:37:50 PM
I have spent 13 years trying to cure my knees....  I am so close, but I can't completely get rid of the arthritis pain....

Q: Has anyone read Kevin Trudeaus latest book(2006) "More naturals cures revealed".... In his infomercial he says he has a "SPECIFIC" cure for arthritis....  I am wondering does anyone know what it is, and has anyone tried it....  I will try any natural cure....

Thank You,
gman1
Title: Re: "More naturals cures revealed"
Post by: SallyW on September 27, 2006, 06:27:00 PM
Be careful with those "cures". Look at the scientific evidence for any "cure". Has the treatment been adequately tested, with unbiased testing? Did the testers use double blind tests to eliminate the possibility of the placebo effect? Have multiple researchers studied the drug/treatment and found the same result? Look at the references cited in the research study - many times the "researcher" will cite his/her own studies as proof that something "works". What does NIH say about the "treatment"? NIH *does* test "natural" "cures"; they do use solid scientific method in testing these "treatments".

In my area (Pacific Northwest of the USA) a "natural" clinician was doing infomercials about his "natural" cures for a variety of ailments including arthritis. I looked at the "scientific" studies "proving" his "cures". All of the "studies" were flawed. The people that he "helps" are likely being "helped" because they believe he helps them - placebo effect, nothing more. His "diagnostic" method has been listed on Quackwatch.com as a fraud...have you checked quackwatch for any method you are considering?

Be careful what you spend your money on. Too often these "infomercials" are full of fluff and hype, with little solid scientific evidence that you get what you pay for. If you want nonsurgical treatment (don't we all?!), have you considered some of the joint fluid therapy options? Supartz, Synvisc, Neovisc, etc. They have been scientifically tested, are proven safe (many of those "natural" treatments have not been proven safe).

Sorry if I sound skeptical about "natural" "cures". If I could find scientific evidence that those things worked, I'd go for it. But I just don't see solid evidence for any of it...limited evidence for glucosomine, but so far the studies seem to indicate that has limited effectiveness (if any).
Title: Re: "More naturals cures revealed"
Post by: SallyW on September 27, 2006, 08:17:15 PM
Hmmm. I just went to Quackwatch. There is a link on the main page to an analysis of that book. Sounds like what he says just doesn't work - more hype than anything. The FTC is *interested* in his claims.

Let the buyer beware....
Title: Re: "More naturals cures revealed"
Post by: gman1 on September 28, 2006, 03:28:01 PM
well there isn't going to be any real scientific research done(in the U.S. anyway) on natural cures....  The drug companies want you to buy drugs, not vitamins....  And The ftc is after him, because they are backing the drug companies....  They are a political body, not a medical body...  That is one of the main points he wants people to know....  It is always about the money!  Glucosamine Chondroitin was one of the few natural products that has made it past the drug companies disinformation campaign....  You guys sound like you are paid moles of the drug companies :)

well anyway....  There is know reason not to try his natural cure....  It can't hurt you if it doesn't work....

I thought maybe someone here already read the book, knows what it is, and has tried it....  I still don't even know what it is?
Title: Re: "More naturals cures revealed"
Post by: SallyW on September 28, 2006, 03:52:38 PM
Actually - not to start a debate here, but have you looked at some of the research being done by the government agencies regarding the effectiveness of some of the natural "cures"? If they prove something to work, they tell people about it...taxol, for instance - it's a *natural* cancer treatment that the researchers have tested, proven to be effective for breast cancer. Since it's been found - by studies using scientific method - to be effective, it's a standard part of breast cancer treatments. Some of the major public universities now have "complementary" medicine programs - government funded research and treatment programs using "natural" medicine. My rheumy is a big name researcher who works with a "natural" medicine practitioner in doing government funded research. He doesn't produce "fluff", just solid scientific research.

I'm not a paid mole at all - just someone who doesn't trust *natural* *cures* that are all fluff and hype, rather than being based on solid scientific evidence that something works. If NIH can prove glucosomine to be effective, I might try it...they are the first agency to use a well designed study method that eliminates the possibility of the placebo effect - no other organization has done that with that treatment. If the *natural* medicine folks would actually use good scientific method, and quote those studies in their claims, it would convince me. From what I've seen of that book, he makes a lot of claims that are really unsubstantiated.

But hey - it's your money, your knees. If you buy the book, follow his method, and it works - maybe you'll have fewer "railroad tracks" on your knees than I do (sigh!). Good luck! Let us know what you think if you do get the book!
Title: Re: "More naturals cures revealed"
Post by: gman1 on September 29, 2006, 02:43:40 PM
So far I have been able to get rid of 95% of the pain through DIet and Nutrition....  And Kevin Trudeaus first book was pretty much just common sense....  It helped lots of people....  So like I said if anyone knows what he recommends to help cure arthritis in his new book(2006) "More Natural Cures" - let me know please....
Title: Re: "More naturals cures revealed"
Post by: SallyW on September 29, 2006, 05:23:45 PM
Wow! That's impressive! Are you bone on bone? What dietary changes have you made?
Title: Re: "More naturals cures revealed"
Post by: gman1 on October 01, 2006, 12:01:09 AM
my daily intake

*low calorie - 1250
*low sugar - 30g or less(try 8g or less for arthritis or more weight loss)
*high protein - 25g or more
*vegetarian
*no smoking/drugs
*exercise(try to walk at least 3 days a week even with your bad knees)
* five meals a day(maybe 3 meals 2 snacks - same time)

these are the major things I do, without getting into much in detail....  I lost 60 pounds(went from 180 - 120pounds) - and 95% of the pain....  If I listened to the doctors I would be in a wheelchair for the rest of my life....  I bent both my knees backwords in a car accident 13 years ago....

I did all the other usual stuff people reccomended on here over the years:
glucosamin chondroitin MSM, HGH, devils claw, coral calcium, ginger, removed metal from dental work

What really works is STOP EATING SUGAR....  It agravates arthritis more than anything....  Write down how many grams you eat a day - slowly reduce it down to about 8g - and you will see a difference in a week....  and alot of weight lose....

I lost 0 pounds on a standard diet and exercise
I lost 20 pounds when I became a vegetarian(and exercise)
I lost 20 pounds when I lowered to 1250 calories(and execise)
I lost 20 pounds in 3 weeks when I lowered my sugar to 8 grams(and exercise)

Now I am doing the organic food thing....  I gained 5 pounds though since It is hard to find organic with low sugar....  It is a trade off....
Title: Re: "More naturals cures revealed"
Post by: Kneesles on October 27, 2006, 06:36:02 PM
Isn't he just a marketing guy? He did the mega memory tapes in the 90's. I heard he got into some legal trouble...
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/trudeau_informercials.html
I wouldn't believe him.
Title: Re: "More naturals cures revealed"
Post by: shnun on October 04, 2007, 08:15:27 AM
Hmmm. I just went to Quackwatch. There is a link on the main page to an analysis of that book. Sounds like what he says just doesn't work - more hype than anything. The FTC is *interested* in his claims.

Let the buyer beware....

The Quackwatch guy seems to have an agenda against any natural remedy; he even decries acupuncture, which has been used for thousands of years.  I think he has some good points, but also some invalid points - so I take his advice with a grain of salt.