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Title: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 16, 2005, 07:12:56 PM
Dear KNEEgeeks
I need your help. I need the revenue on this site to go up. I am keen to build online courses to help bring in income, but they take ages to put together and I have had very few delegates. Please give me your opinion as to why I am failing here.
KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: kelsaygh on July 16, 2005, 09:16:59 PM
Would it cost too much in processing fees to charge a small fee for "membership"?  Sites like Weight Watchers charge a lot of $ on a regular basis for a support and info site quite similar to this one in many ways.  And they are very financially sucessful, I think!
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: shadehawk on July 16, 2005, 09:39:49 PM
KNEEguru,

Probably because a lot of people like me do not do any business transactions over a PC.  Do you have an address where say a check or moneyorder could be sent?

That might be benefical to many of the kneegeeks....do not think it is that they do not want to help - many just do not set up bank accounts on their computers.....

That is my opinion anyway....

Shade[/color]
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: ariel on July 16, 2005, 09:54:08 PM
Dear KNEEgeeks
I need your help. I need the revenue on this site to go up. I am keen to build online courses to help bring in income, but they take ages to put together and I have had very few delegates. Please give me your opinion as to why I am failing here.
KNEEguru

You need advertising on this board KG - more members, brings advertising, brings more revenue, brings new features to the site, brings more members, brings more advertising, brings more revenue....... and so on.

What does anyone think ?
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 16, 2005, 09:59:47 PM
Would it cost too much in processing fees to charge a small fee for "membership"?  Sites like Weight Watchers charge a lot of $ on a regular basis for a support and info site quite similar to this one in many ways.  And they are very financially sucessful, I think!

Hi

Not at all. We have PayPal and WorldPay systems already running. Some time ago, about 2 years as I remember, I raised the idea of Forum Membership subscription, and it was very unpopular. Since then I introduced the Google ads, some book downloads, a 'donate' button and the two new online courses - certainly that started revenue flowing, but not enough when you take into account the time costs. I am still working 'Pro Deo' for the website - ie it has never made a profit or paid me a wage.

It's the online courses that I felt would tip the scales in a positive direction - but they have not.

All ideas are welcome. Keep the thinking cap on.

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 16, 2005, 10:01:06 PM
KNEEguru,

Probably because a lot of people like me do not do any business transactions over a PC.  Do you have an address where say a check or moneyorder could be sent?

That might be benefical to many of the kneegeeks....do not think it is that they do not want to help - many just do not set up bank accounts on their computers.....

That is my opinion anyway....

Shade[/color]

Yes. Thank you. Good idea. I will get that added to the 'donate' button. Cheques or money orders could be made payable to ‘ftmg Associates Ltd’ P.O. Box 517, Worcester, WRI 7ZQ, UK (preferably £ pounds sterling, or otherwise  $ dollars or € euros).
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 16, 2005, 10:28:37 PM
You need advertising on this board KG - more members, brings advertising, brings more revenue, brings new features to the site, brings more members, brings more advertising, brings more revenue....... and so on.

Thanks for your reply. I have avoided involvement with advertisers as I was afraid it would bring bias into the site. But I am considering this now. Problem is that the big money is with surgical equipment manufacturers. They would buy space maybe on the surgeon pages.

I have made a policy, at least until now, of not charging surgeons to list them. Clinics have shown a reluctance, and I have been reluctant to push.
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 16, 2005, 10:31:51 PM
These replies have been helpful, but what I am really asking is what I am doing wrong regarding the online courses?

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: kath on July 16, 2005, 10:32:19 PM
KNEEguru,

Tri-sport has created the t-shirt idea with slogans to be voted on from the members.  You have graciously offered to "lend" your logo.  (Tri-sport...not trying to step on your toes, believe me...!)

Would it be difficult for a company to produce the t-shirts and handle all the business and marketing end, with a portion of the proceeds going to the site?  You could have a link right on this site with an online ordering process.  I know many of us would probably LOVE to have a KNEEguru t-shirt!  For that matter, coffee mugs, tear-away pants etc!

Another thought is to work with several reputable companies who deal with helpful aids etc for surgery recovery...for every kneegeek who purchases from these companies through this website, a small percentage is delegated to the site board for the referral.

Just a thought...kath
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: kath on July 16, 2005, 10:52:31 PM
These replies have been helpful, but what I am really asking is what I am doing wrong regarding the online courses?

KNEEguru

KNEEguru...just saw this last post of yours as I posted my last one!

My personal opinion is that I wouldn't spend money on an online course about knees. Why?  Because there is so much help and advice on this board and elsewhere.  I love to research, and so anything of interest to me, I will search for on the internet or in books or ask advice of people who are familiar or who have the expertise to help me.  It may help to have a direct link to the courses from the bulletin board, as some people simply log on to read the board and don't go right through the entire site.  (you can tell by some of the questions asked, that they haven't read the whole site)

I would much rather pay a nominal one-time membership fee for this site.  However, having said that, it would be important for new members to be able to explore the site before committing to a membership. 

I really don't know what the answer is.  And personally I would hate to see a membership fee charged...not that I would mind paying it, but rather it may discourage some who are in real need of help and due to financial hardship, would not join.

My two cents worth! ...kath

Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 16, 2005, 11:19:06 PM
Would it be difficult for a company to produce the t-shirts and handle all the business and marketing end, with a portion of the proceeds going to the site?  You could have a link

Yes. Cafepress do this - http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 16, 2005, 11:21:14 PM
My personal opinion is that I wouldn't spend money on an online course about knees. Why?  Because there is so much help and advice on this board and elsewhere. 

I tried to offer quality material that gave an in-depth view. Would people make a donation after assessing the quality of a free course, do you think?
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: rozzzie on July 17, 2005, 12:22:42 AM
KNEEguru,

T-shirts, mugs etc, and adds are good ideas, having more adds is also a good way to up your revenues.  I'd get a t-shirt or 2 and maybe a mug.

I think your classes are great.  I think it would be hard to get the information that I got from the two courses on line.  You may get the information but not understand the context they were easy to follow and conveyed a wealth of information.  If you put a link on the bulletin board page to go to the academy, that may bring some additional traffic over that way.


KNEEgeeks - the classes are first rate - check them out.

Thanks for your hard work!

Rozzie
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: kath on July 17, 2005, 12:42:12 AM
KNEEguru and Rozzzie:

I haven't taken any of the courses, as they came into effect after my surgery, and being one of the successful outcomes, I use this board mainly to see if there is anyone I can help based on my own experience. 

I did read the intro's to the courses though, and the intro's gave me the impression that the courses may be geared a little bit more to clinicians than to regular folks.  The courses themselves may be totally terrific for anyone on the board...Rozzzie, you are a good example of someone who has been through the courses and enjoyed them...how about having a course feedback paragraph or two from people like Rozzzie?  Knowing that someone has taken the courses and enjoyed them and found them informative would certainly entice more people to sign up. This would be on the Course Academy page and easily read by all.  (still need a link from the bulletin board though!)

KNEEguru...how about having a "donation drive" twice a year?  I think the fact that you have asked for help using the bulletin board is a reminder that this website is totally dependent on the donations of people who use it.  This needs to be brought to the users attention in a more definite form.  I'll bet the fact you are now asking for help, has driven up the donations at least a little bit.  If you picked two weeks every 6 months for the drive, and have a financial goal with a thermometer tally, I bet we would all be driven to help reach the goal.  Nothing is greater than watching the mercury rise as the funds come in!  It avoids charging a membership, yet allows those who can give, even a little bit, the motivation to donate.

This board is wonderful, and the benefit is that it is FREE, knowledgeable, easy to use and best of all, has interaction for those who need help and those who can give it.

I think I'm up to 10 cents worth now! ...kath
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: JenSinclair on July 17, 2005, 02:15:58 AM
I do think that the Guru should get some of the dosh for t-shirts, etc.  It's only fair, right?

...and I feel horribly guilty for not having donated to the site until now.  I'm off to do that right now!

Peace and love to you, Guru...this site has been a Godsend.
Jen
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: kelsaygh on July 17, 2005, 03:09:13 AM
I feel guilty too, and I have only just "joined"!  I find this board etc very helpful, and I'm willing to contribute--how do I do that?  And while I am asking questions about "techniques" online--how do people modify their "signature" to add what their previous knee "procedures" have been?  I think it really adds to the credibility of a response if one knows what the responder has been through!  I thought I was computer savvy, but I guess not. . . .kelsaygh
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: rozzzie on July 17, 2005, 03:25:08 AM
kelsaygh

Up on the top of the page click on profile, then on the left under modify profile click on Forum Profile Information.  Make any changes you want, then at the bottom of that page click on change profile  and your new profile will show up.

Good luck

Rozzzie
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: Cari on July 17, 2005, 04:28:04 AM
I have also been through the online courses and I found them extremely helpfull and easy to follow. I am a "regular" person and not in the medical professioanl field and though my operation(s) were totall successfull I still learned from the courses and believe me I found the Kneeguru about 7 years ago all from doing my own research. I still do the research and I think the course were a wonderfull addition to it all!!!

My donation will be on its way shortly !!!

Cari
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: heather k from wales on July 17, 2005, 07:31:10 AM
A small membership fee of just a few £'s every 3 months or so surely would'nt hurt anyone.
Maybe if new members were allowed to use the site for free for a week, then once they get a taste of what info, help and support is available Im sure they would'nt grudge paying just a few £'s....after all, WE are the ones who benefit from the site.
Im sure everyone would be mortified if the site was closed down through lack of funding.

Just my thought,

Heather ;)
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 10:01:19 AM
I did read the intro's to the courses though, and the intro's gave me the impression that the courses may be geared a little bit more to clinicians than to regular folks.  The courses themselves may be totally terrific for anyone on the board...
I am going to do a little experiment for a week and make both courses FREE (ignore the fact that the price is still visible). Have a go, all of you, starting with the arthroscopy one, which is easier to do.

Then let me have your opinion how I should progress with this part of the site.

Those who have paid already and done the courses can have the next course for free instead.

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 11:26:47 AM
Would it be difficult for a company to produce the t-shirts and handle all the business and marketing end, with a portion of the proceeds going to the site?  You could have a link right on this site with an online ordering process.  I know many of us would probably LOVE to have a KNEEguru t-shirt!  For that matter, coffee mugs, tear-away pants etc!

Here you go, then. I have set up a store with CafePress - http://www.cafepress.com/kneegeeks !!!

There's nothing in it yet. That's where all of you come into it. I will optimize some guru images, but look to you for ideas, designs etc.  See http://cafepress.com for ideas about customising the available products.

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 11:32:52 AM
I'm willing to contribute--how do I do that? 
There are a number of ways to contribute:
- direct contribution via the 'donate' button
- buy from the online store as soon as we get it going! (see last thread)
- attend the courses
- download the e-books (only two at present) - we are just improving the download system, so hang in there and I'll give you the new links
- buy from Amazon via one of our Amazon links (eg the book links on our home page)
- keep an eye on the Google ads and respond if there are any that interest you

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 01:04:41 PM
A small membership fee of just a few £'s every 3 months or so surely would'nt hurt anyone.
This was not the general view when this topic was raised before. I am happy to find alternative means because it is you guys who have created much of the content on the site anyway, and spent as many hours on it as I. But I have the aditional expenses of running and maintaining it.
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: JenSinclair on July 17, 2005, 01:37:57 PM
The donate button is so...well...understated that I think a lot of us just don't think about it.  I don't advocate making it bigger or flashier...but maybe a reminder on the bulletin boards on the first of every month is in order?  I agree with Guru about not "charging" for the site as there are a lot of kids (who wouldn't have a way to pay) and many people who simply couldn't afford even a couple quid a month.

I keep saying I'm going to go get in the shower, then I keep clicking refresh and posting more.  This must stop...right now (okay...in five minutes)!

Peace,
Jen
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: Jan_L. on July 17, 2005, 04:21:29 PM
Hello,

First of all I want to say that I agree with shade.   "Probably because a lot of people like me do not do any business transactions over a PC".   Now that I can just simply send you a check I will do so, I have already written out the check. 

But I think another problem you have is that so many people are simply unaware of your situation.  For so many of us, we turn our computers on and go directly to the section that we normally post in.  I suspect that many of the people that use this site do not know that you are in need of funds or are aware of the on-line classes.  I accidently ended up in this section today or I would not have seen this thread for who knows how long.  I still haven't found the info for the on-line classes, I am sure I will if I continue to look.   I think you need to post a request under each topic letting people know that you could use a donation.  Make it so that those of us that use this site every day can't miss it.

Jan
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 04:24:50 PM
Thanks for that info.

Here is the link for the courses - http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/courses/

If you have problems registering please tell me via the KNEEgeeks board.

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: kath on July 17, 2005, 05:04:01 PM
KNEEguru...how about a newsflash in red at the top of the Bulletin Board page...maybe in the News Box, or beside the User info?  Save putting a notice in each subject. 

The challenge with always having it up front and centre is that people will become desensitized to it.  So perhaps every other week or month so it catches the eye and reminds us!

..kath
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: cat on July 17, 2005, 05:23:09 PM
Oh, goodie! I'm looking forward to taking the courses. I had wanted to try them but thought they were only offered during certain times. I've written my check. Thanx for all you do.
 ;D cat  ;D
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: donna27 on July 17, 2005, 06:12:19 PM
I've just seen these posts and have to admit that I never once thought about how the site is maintained financially. I am going to try to think of some money raising schemes in the meantime.

I have to agree that charging for the website in general could initially turn people in need of help away. Also, I agree with kneeguru in that advertising could look biased. We've all been on some websites where you sit there and wonder if that's all the website is about in the first place!

I am going to make a donation now and must admit that I've never even noticed that button before. I am going to ask everybody I know to think up ways to increase revenue for this site. It has truly helped me along the way to recovery and has given me priceless knowledge and encouragement.

Donna x
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: ski bum on July 17, 2005, 06:33:16 PM
KneeGuru,

One thing other sites do is to have a fee for posting but no fee for reading.  I have mixed feelings about that--one of the things that makes this site so valuable is the interchange between folks. 

As part of your store/bookstore, would you consider posting reprints of the articles that everyone cites here--available for download for a fee (obviously cleared for copyright stuff)?  E.g. the Millet, Eakin etc articles on arthrofibrous, others for other conditions.  Perhaps charge a fee for the exercise program as well (downloadable in a booklet form)--this is a great resource, already constructed--and I would be willing to pay for it.

As for the courses:  I look into this 3 months ago--but got the idea that it was over (from reading the available email messages).  It wasn't clear, despite the introduction, that anyone (e.g you or the OS who was helping) would still be 'there.' 

And I agree with the poster above:  putting together a 'membership/donation' drive once a quarter would remind people gently to donate. 

Andy (who tried to donate yesterday but got confused--I'll try again)
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: Prickle Thistle on July 17, 2005, 06:46:00 PM
KG:  every Thursday afternoon my Physical Therapist closes down his office to pound the streets visiting hospitals and doctor surgery to further market his office practice and services - he's the Director of a large PT service (Star Therapy).  Have you thought about contacting the larger PT services and offering this website as potential additional marketing.  Also how about reaching out to all the users and asking them for which PT service they use and add an additional link for new room users like myself to search for doctors and PT in their area...  how many users use this room on a daily basis - that's a heavy audience to market the docs and pt services too...  just a thought. 

Good luck! 

FYI - I'm personally opposed for the moment to a fee - even with great Health Benefits the costs still mount up with - The Doctor's... MRI's... Surgery... PT... Pain Meds... Anestesiology... and Hospitals additional fees...

Max.
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: ski bum on July 17, 2005, 06:53:18 PM
I second the idea of suggesting the site to PT clinics.  The sort of question/answer & support offered here would help them support their patients.

One other idea:  create/sell rubber wrist bands.  Strangely, these things do make enormous amounts of money.  Perhaps the surgical companies might donate funds to get them made for you to sell.  Just as the Lance Armstrong Foundation gets its bands from Nike and the funds go entirely to the foundation.  PT firms could give them to patients if you sold them to the PT firms

Andy
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: kath on July 17, 2005, 07:46:21 PM
KNEEguru...you are going to be tired of hearing from me!

I just completed the first course " A method of routine diagnostic arthroscopy", and found it very interesting reading.  I would recommend that users do download the video portion for viewing...I didn't do the download, instead looked at the still pics.

One thing which would help would be to post the approximate time each section takes to complete.  To be honest, when I read the intro and signed into the course, I had no idea if the course would take me 15 minutes or 15 days to complete!   Perhaps it is mentioned somewhere, but if so, I didn't see it.  I'm not likely to get into something which would take me days to complete...so the fact that the course is comprehensive, yet won't take all day to complete is an instant sell to people like me.

Kath
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 10:38:01 PM
KNEEguru...how about a newsflash in red at the top of the Bulletin Board page...maybe in the News Box, or beside the User info? 
Good idea. I keep forgetting about that box. Will do. Thanks. ;)
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 10:51:23 PM
 I think you need to post a request under each topic letting people know that you could use a donation.  Make it so that those of us that use this site every day can't miss it.
Thanks for the suggestion. I popped a notice in the news box at the top.
KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 10:53:15 PM
KNEEguru...how about a newsflash in red at the top of the Bulletin Board page...
Please teach me how to do your clever red flashing messages.KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 11:01:25 PM
One thing other sites do is to have a fee for posting but no fee for reading.  I have mixed feelings about that--one of the things that makes this site so valuable is the interchange between folks.
Yes, that is the conclusion we came to before - that the people who need to ask questions are often the very people whose pockets are hurting because of their medical bills!

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 11:03:47 PM
As part of your store/bookstore, would you consider posting reprints of the articles that everyone cites here--available for download for a fee (obviously cleared for copyright stuff)?  E.g. the Millet, Eakin etc articles on arthrofibrous, others for other conditions.  Perhaps charge a fee for the exercise program as well (downloadable in a booklet form)--this is a great resource, already constructed--and I would be willing to pay for it.
Good idea. The new store allows book sales and software downloads.

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: Janet on July 17, 2005, 11:08:46 PM
Dear KneeGuru:

I have been coming to this site for four years. Now I just answer posts where I think I could be helpful, but don't posts questions of my own very often. When I first started coming to the site, I read all the stuff on your website. But now the forum is in my "favorites" file and I never visit other parts of your site. There are probably others like me. I didn't know you had a "donate" link or a section of classes. I agree that you maybe you need to add something at the TOP of the forum page with visible links to these (and any other) revenue-producing areas. I hardly ever scroll all the way down to the bottom of the forum home page, so I think the top of the page would definitely be more noticeable.

This is a great website and has helped so many over the years. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for donations, but I'd hate to see a fee associated with its use.

Good luck!
Janet
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 11:09:19 PM
As for the courses:  I look into this 3 months ago--but got the idea that it was over (from reading the available email messages).  It wasn't clear, despite the introduction, that anyone (e.g you or the OS who was helping) would still be 'there.' 
The first course was originally on ordinary web pages - they looked good but were inflexible. The forum I originally offered was the same design as this one. But I found a 'pedagogy' system for online learning which was modular and flexible, and carried the course over to this - in time the courses will 'ripen' and use fully the flexibility this newer system offers. So the first course did finish, but then it started again in a different guise! Now it is less intensive of my time and that of the tutor, but we are alerted to any forum posts and can respond quickly if needed.

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 11:12:29 PM
I just completed the first course. One thing which would help would be to post the approximate time each section takes to complete.  To be honest, when I read the intro and signed into the course, I had no idea if the course would take me 15 minutes or 15 days to complete!   Perhaps it is mentioned somewhere, but if so, I didn't see it.  I'm not likely to get into something which would take me days to complete...
Thank you. I wil do that.
KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 11:18:22 PM
Have you thought about contacting the larger PT services and offering this website as potential additional marketing.  Also how about reaching out to all the users and asking them for which PT service they use and add an additional link for new room users like myself to search for doctors and PT in their area... 
Now I have to make a confession. I hate raising invoices and chasing payments!  :-\ So I am trying to find systems where I put the effort in just once and then the payment thinggie is automated and just turns up in the bank or the PayPal account. Like courses, downloads, the new shop. I need to work out a system for PTs to put up and maintain their own page, which self-destructs if they fail to respond to an automated payment reminder email. Or something like that. Otherwise I agree with you completely.
KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 11:20:27 PM
create/sell rubber wrist bands.
I will look into this again, but need a CafePress-type arrangement to automate the production and delivery.
KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: Softball_Player00 on July 17, 2005, 11:29:34 PM
Dear Kneeguru,
I think that it would be saddening if people had to pay a fee to use the website. I'm only 17 and don't exactly have a credit card on hand. If you asked people to pay a fee, I think it would drive away the young people like myself. Also, what about the people who can't afford numerous doc visits? This site probably helps them out a lot and saves them money when they don't have a lot to play around with. It would be bad for them. Donations would be good though.
Just a thought
S-ball Girl
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 17, 2005, 11:33:02 PM
I think that it would be saddening if people had to pay a fee to use the website. I'm only 17
Yes, I agree. That's why I am trying to wrap commercial elements around the site that avoid a direct sponsor, but allow site costs to be covered.

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: kath on July 18, 2005, 02:22:16 AM
KNEEguru, I have a suggestion which I lifted from another site....(I changed some of the wording!)

We run a website and added a unique feature. We already have badges the members can purchase for different reasons in their postbit/profile user info area.  We added a "Way to Go!l" badge. Members can buy a Way to Go! badge for another member. For $5.00, a member can praise another member for her terrific reply.  And a member can gather more than one.  Mouse over the badge and see how many she has received.

The users love giving the badge to others and the website gains a bit of revenue.


Kath

PS:  I can do the marquee and color changes using your buttons in the reply section, but I'm not sure how to change the face of your News Box..as it is probably something in the Admin Control Panel.  Maybe if there is a website guru on here, they will know!
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: Julie405 on July 18, 2005, 11:53:00 AM
I know of somebody who has a very successful website..who gets paid as well through the website and uses it as his living.   It is at http://churchusa.com/.   You may want to take a look through there to see what he has running.  I know that on every page he has one of those ads that go across the top of your page....as well as many others.    Hope this may help you out. 
Julie
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: blackbeltgirl on July 18, 2005, 03:04:40 PM
I've only skimmed this post, so if I'm repeating any previous suggestions, I apologize.

In a previous work life, I actually ran online stores like those that have been mentioned.  If you'd like some ideas or recommendations I'd be happy to assist.  (I'm in the US, but I imagine it can't be that different in the UK.)

As to membership fees - I'm torn.  I like the idea of being able to read the site for free, and paying a membership fee if you'd like to post on the site.  It doesn't need to be much, and it does not need to be an ongoing fee.  But as others have said, the teenagers, and those facing financial hardship are just as much in need as the rest of us.

As to advertising - you could "self-advertise" for support.  Banner adds along the top of the page, or along the right hand column, could advertise the need for support, or the classes.  Like many others, I come straight to the bulletin board feature, and rarely spend time on the rest of the site.

What about occasional "guest lecturers"?  YOu couold sponsor live chat sessions with reknowned knee experts, and members can participate for a fee.  Lots of people would be happy to pay a small fee to have a guaranteed chance to ask you, or Dr. Gresalmer, or Dr. Steadman, Minas, etc. a question about their own case.

As to your classes, I haven't tried one.  To some degree, the people who are most interested in the classes are also those who are probably most knowledgable about their knees and injuries.  As a new knee geek, I may be asking relatively simple questions, and have not yet decided if my case is that serious, or how much I need to know to get the best medical care.  By the time we've been here a while, many of us have realized we are the more serious knee cases.  We've already learned a lot about the terminology and different procedures from the main part of the website, and from other kneegeeks.  The classes offered may be to elementary for us certified kneegeeks.

But as someone else said - while I often assume and expect material on the internet to be free, I have gained much from this site, and will now go make my contribution.  I don't know how these things work in Europe, but in the US you can set up a foundation as either a non-profit or a not-for-profit, which also give tax benefits to those who contribute.  That may be worth researching.

Thanks for your efforts at providing so much information, and a community of people who understand.
Jess
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: rozzzie on July 18, 2005, 03:22:16 PM
Jess,

I took both of the KNEEguru courses; they are not just for people with serious knee problems.  I learned so much about knees; much did not apply to me but it was time and $ well spent.  I hope you will give them a try; it's not a great investment in time.  I took them when they were first being put online, so I got a lesson or so a week.  Took 1/2 hour or less normally ro do them and I was waiting to get to the next lesson.

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[What about occasional "guest lecturers"?  You could sponsor live chat sessions with renowned knee experts, and members can participate for a fee.  Lots of people would be happy to pay a small fee to have a guaranteed chance to ask you, or Dr. Gresalmer, or Dr. Steadman, Minas, etc. a question about their own case.

Jess - That's a wonderful idea!


Rozzzie
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: RebelsNMisfits on July 18, 2005, 03:32:27 PM
KneeGuru,

My wife and I own an OnLine Jewelery business and we have to pay fees to access certain websites that we use to set our prices, look for inventory,etc. Some of these fee's are pretty expensive for example, to access one site it cost us $500.00 per year. Now this is just my opinion, but I have no problem with paying a membership fee to be able to access websites which provide me with information that I need and can use. Now I an not suggesting a huge fee like I have mentioned but a small nominal fee with close to 10K members, even if half joined to be able to post should provide a nice revenue for you.

Earl
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: blackbeltgirl on July 18, 2005, 03:47:27 PM
Rozzie -

Thanks for the comment on the "guest lecturer" idea.  Your comment spawned a refinement.

If there was a fee to participate, and participation is limited, each person can be guaranteed the chance to ask 1 question.  A smaller fee may allow you to read the transcript of the session.  So if it costs $10 or $15 to participate, it may only cost $5 to read the results.  (Or that can be free, at Knee Guru's choice).  But it's a lot less than traveling hundreds of miles and spending hundreds of dollars to find out that your doctor has been making good treatment decisions.

And I will look into those classes a little bit more.
Jess
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: Ronxski on July 18, 2005, 04:18:39 PM
The selling of mugs and t shirts , etc is a good thing. Would there be a way for the Knee Guru to setup distribution sites in major hubs say in the UK. Canada, US,  Australia where the majority of the membership is from to save on shipping costs and duties? Gettting a mug for 11 dollars and having to pay as much for shipping, customs, etc I think could be counterproductive.

Knee Guru, do your costs to run this site increase when the membership increases? Or are they set per year? Like when a radio station that is non profit says they need so much a year to run they have a fundraiser once or twice a year. SO those that have the funds can contribute more than those of us who are just getting by due to being out of work for long periods of time from our knee problems. Or like was mentioned , you have a lot of teens checking in to the bulletin board that need help and can't afford to pay a membership fee.

But you have said you are not a non profit entity. Just not making a profit  :(

Not an easy fix . And I have to say this is a very wonderful site. I tell anybody I see with knee problems to check it out. And as I have been helped here . I try to return the favor. Ron
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: MikeBetts on July 18, 2005, 05:40:27 PM
Hello.

I am slightly fortunate here Kneeguru in that I have worked in IT training off and on for the past ten years and e-learning like this has been coming along for a while.  I think you are not necessarily doing anything wrong, you are simply coming up against something that can often be misunderstood by the person offering the service:  that of how diificult it is to make people part with money when they may be able to get the service for free elsewhere.  this is the same kind of issues the Training industry faced and why E-Learning hasnt taken off across the globe like it was meant to be going to up to 10 years ago...

I don't have any miraculous ways to make money out of the site that havent been mentioned above, but things I would just throw my own two pence in about are...

1.  There's nothing wrong with advertising.  Using click-through systems only products which catch peoples eyes are going to be revenue generating anyway.  Also, I think the site has an intelligent userbase so it is unlilkely people are going to be "fooled" by the adverts - if someone wants to click on it I am quite sure they will know what they are doing.

2. How about staging access into the site ?  At the moment the site is either all free or has pay options for the courses.  Perhaps a system of the community based area of the site remaining free (which is the message board) but the advice area of the site, containing excercise information could be subscription.  To add to this, you could boost the excercise area of the site to contain what we call rich content, which could, for example, be a short video clip of how to correctly perform the excercises to add to the static images.  Also, within the community area of the site, parts which give full on valuable advise which you wouldnt normally get from anyone but a surgeon should be consideration for subscription.

3. It doesnt have to be all-or-nothing.  you could have base membership, at a menial fee - one off payment of 5 pounds for example, through to access to excercise area at a higher cost, going on towards stuff which could be close to medical advice in itself for a higher cost still.  I dont know if you have the content for this, but this is typical of pricing within these kinds of information-offering based sites.

If there is anything you would like to ask on a technical nature (or anything else about running websites) please feel free to PM me.

Mike


Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: kath on July 18, 2005, 06:03:55 PM
A lot of sites will use a membership scale based on site access...eg: base membership vs premium.

However, KNEEguru has been around for awhile and has evolved into a well-organized site dedicated to helping and exchanging ideas among it's members.  I'm a firm believer in not "taking" away from established members (via instituting a membership fee), nor restricting access to those who can not afford a membership.  That's like turning someone away from what was once an open door policy.  I believe the strength of this site is the total access to all information.

I don't think KNEEguru wants to be a money making machine, but rather wishes to cover the site costs in order to continue offering the wealth of information we all use.

I think if the call were put out...which it has...then we answer it.  Those of us who can afford to donate to keep this site running should link on the donate button now and follow the instructions to contribute to keep this website open.  It doesn't matter how small or large the donation...every penny counts.  There is no value that can be placed on the information gained here, the friends we've made, the help we've had or given. 

KNEEguru...I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to post another subject with the heading PLEASE DONATE.  We can continue to talk about how the site can evolve to generate income to pay for itself, but let's see what happens with a plain old donation drive!

Kath
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: Teresa_S on July 18, 2005, 06:26:23 PM
I don't know that my suggestion is feasible, but my idea is to have a minature Ebay type auction service for orthopedic aides, Polar Ice, CPM, braces, etc, that are barely used, and no longer needed by the original owners. Either the devices could be donated, or it could be set up to have a listing fee, % of sale price, etc, like Ebay functions. Many times I read about people asking where somebody got a certain brace, aide, etc that they really like, as they can't find them. I do think we would have to be careful to not involve something that requires a prescription. That said, maybe a fundraiser auction, where the auction items are donated by us, and bought by us. Proceeds going to the site. So as to avoid extra shipping charges, we could include the shipping charge with each item, and after payments were sent in with the shipping included, the shipping fee would be forwarded on to the seller, who , in turn, would ship the item to the winning bidder. OR they could simply donate the item, and the shipping fee. Although it would be nice to have orthopedic aids , etc as the donated items, if this is done yearly or twice a year, we could actually auction anything, and just raise money. Would take more organization than this brief idea, but it could work, if it was taken seriously, and all money went directly here, and the items were shipped from the donating person.If you don't want to mess with forwarding the shipping fees on, then make it a true donation. THAT way, the person donating will only be out the shipping fee and the item, they no longer have a use for. I am sure many people here have varied interests and talents, and they could donate those items, also. I don't know how much it would cost to do this, so no idea what it would make. Basically, if each of us donating submitted a typed notice of what and a pic, if needed to a mailing address, than have the opportunity to preview it, before being offered, to make sure that it is accurate, and then have a 7-10 day running time for the auction, or whatever, and the bids could begin. IF done through this site, we could use our IDs for this site, as our bidding name. Just an idea thrown out, where each person could make the choice to bid or not, and no dues would be collected. It would take lots of work to put together, and a feeler could be put out, to make sure that the donations and moneys collected would make more  than the cost. But, with a little creativity and work, and HONEST participators, I think this would be a good fund raiser. Maybe that is what it takes, and a couple of times a year, there could be one, a different type each time. AND the tee shirts etc, could be a regular income also. I just don't know that after the first purchase, if people would buy over and over for the same thing. I,personally hate it when my kids are handed things to go home and sell, I would much rather donate a certain amount, or participate in an auction or something. Another idea is to get companies that make and sell the items we use on this site, like BReg, etc to make donations of gift cards, units to auction, etc. and have a set fee to enter a drawing, or auction off. OR, if enough interest, get companies to donate items, and we buy $2-3 chances to win it, with a minimum amount of enteries. IF the items are donated, it would be like free advertising for the companies as we view them , consider they donated to a cause we are all interested in, and one of us would  win. Setting the ticket price low would allow even teens the opportunity to participate in the drawings. Don't know the legality, just my ideas Teresa I suppose all these could be too complicated, but they work to raise money. AND they don't involve asking for money from everybody, just give those who wish the opportunity to participate.
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 18, 2005, 06:51:17 PM
We run a website and added a unique feature. We already have badges the members can purchase for different reasons in their postbit/profile user info area.  We added a "Way to Go!l" badge. Members can buy a Way to Go! badge for another member. For $5.00, a member can praise another member for her terrific reply.  And a member can gather more than one.  Mouse over the badge and see how many she has received. The users love giving the badge to others and the website gains a bit of revenue

That's a great idea! :D How about a 'Knees up!' badge? I'll ask Leah about doing this. Thanks.
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: ski bum on July 18, 2005, 07:01:55 PM
My only concern with the idea of a publically visible 'way to go' badge is that it might make it harder for newbies to feel comfortable posting, commenting, disagreeing.  'Being' here should not be the basis of a popularity contest.  In a sense, you've got that already, via the stars by names (although this refers to posts and is not a measure of quality).  Please think about this one carefully--it will change the dynamics here.
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: Erikadc on July 19, 2005, 06:53:34 PM
I think you should focus on advertising dollars because charging members may not produce what you need to maintain the site.  The die hard posters will pay, but others won't because of the inconvenience.  My company has "preferred vendors" for our members and they advertise their products on our Web site.  If you take this approach, you could only accept vendors that knee guru members use and recommend.  You could raise money and users could have direct links to products.  For example, I found a lot of people recommending Ryka shoes - they could be a preferred vendor.  I don't know how it would work, but you could create a vendor waiting list to generate buzz and hopefully encourage more vendors to advertise.
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: dimples3887 on July 19, 2005, 07:10:44 PM
Replying to ski bum's post about newbie's feeling overwhelmed by the "Way to Go!" badges.  As a newbie, I think if I saw the "Way to Go" badge by a username, I'd be more inclined to ask that person for advice.  If you know one person is good at advising someone, why wouldn't you want to ask them?  I can see where you're coming from that we might seem not as inclined to post comments and such in response to "Way to Go" people, but I think seeing that as an option, would make me try harder to give better advice and get myself one of those badges.  Why not work towards a reward?
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: tri-sport on July 19, 2005, 11:31:42 PM
KG-
The top 2 images are the front of two of the shirts i have been working on.  The last image would be the back of both t-shirts.  I would like to send you a PDF file with the t-shirt's images on them, but I haven't found a way to send you them.  Please e-mail me seperately to let me know how to get these to you, I think there is a lot of interest for t-shirts from people on the site.  You could put them in your online shop.  What does everyone else think?

Lynn

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Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: JenSinclair on July 20, 2005, 12:05:16 AM
Lynn,
They ROCK...and yes...I DESPERATELY want BOTH of them!

Did you get a big enough image for the KG logo to work on the back?  That's so excellent.

Peace,
Jen
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: tri-sport on July 20, 2005, 12:22:31 AM
Yeah, I cleaned up the KG image, it took a while but the quality is much better.  I'm glad you like them  :D

(Just in case your only reading this page, I posted the sample images from the t-shirt's on page 4 of this string of messages- let me know what you think)

Lynn
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: dimples3887 on July 20, 2005, 01:20:27 AM
I'm definitely a big fan of all of the graphics!!! I want to buy them now! They're awesome for the guys and cute for the women of the site too! Perfect idea!!
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: My Sister Sam on July 20, 2005, 01:33:13 AM
Lynn,

Fantastic work  -  Kudos to you!

Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: Flame on July 20, 2005, 01:44:33 AM
Lynn,

Excellent job!
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: muskratsuzie on July 20, 2005, 02:59:30 AM
I've only been a member for a few months and I don't know if you already do this, but when I joined I remember listing my email address. If others are like me, I check my email daily. You could send out a monthly email to all members featuring some of the items for sale, information about the classes, maybe a knee related article, and a reminder to send a monetary donation. For me, this is how I usually remember to send donations and get interested in making an online purchase. For example, I signed up to receive the wildlife foundation newsleter and just this month in their email newletter, I saw a cute panda bear that I purchased. If I hadn't signed up for their email, I wouldn't have purchased the stuffed animal. I hope this idea helps and isn't a duplicate already...Thanks, Suzie
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: kath on July 20, 2005, 03:53:23 AM
Lynn...awesome job!

kath
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: blackbeltgirl on July 20, 2005, 01:38:24 PM
Suzie -

Great idea.  People could check if they do, or do not, want to receive that newsletter.  But it would definitely help remind people of the classes, and other non-bulletin board stuff on the site.  Even those could include sponsors - someone like the kneeshop (that sells all the expensive braces at huge discounts), or amazon, etc.

KG - can't you also set up an amazon store, so we can buy our books from amazon and the site will get some money?  I don't think amazon has tight requirements on doing the partnerships, and I imagine that as a group we spend a good amount of money there anyway.

Jess
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 20, 2005, 02:12:23 PM
Hi everyone
I will get around to answering all of you in time. Thank you for your efforts and donations.

Let me summarize a little:

1 Regarding my original question about the courses - ie why they were not humming with students - I did not get a lot of specific feedback, but it seems that there is so much free content available that paying for courses is simply not a popular concept. That's a pity as the courses take a long time to put together and I thought that  they would bring in steady income - but at least I know now that charging for them is not the way to go. I may look at corporate sponsorship for individual courses to recoup the time cost and allow them to be free to the delegates. I would not like to dump them, as they offer a different means of learning for the serious student.

2 My original question, however, led to much discussion about site revenue in general and how to generate it. It seems that one of the reasons why the site is popular is that participation is free and that the members feel a sense of ownership both of the site and its content. I would hate to destroy this, so I will not be asking for membership fees, but look forward instead to enthusiastic participation in schemes which are fun, such as the online shop.

3 I have also had many of you offer donations, and I would like to thank you for that. The KNEEguru company is just the website - although I was until 2 and a half years ago part of a bigger organisation including a clinic and an educational trust.  I decided after a bereavement to go it alone with the website, and I moved to France in August 2004 with my campervan, dog and tiny tablet computer.

I run the day-to-day part of the site almost single-handed, and Leah (based in the UK) helps me with the special interactive parts of it. It is an ordinary 'for profit' company - just not in profit to date, and I am the only shareholder and investor. This is a strength and a weakness. As the sole owner/employee I can be flexible and responsive. But if I dropped dead the site would probably drop with me.

This would be a pity. The site was a medical pioneer in its time. I have worked on it for 10 years, pro bono, and many of you have travelled along with me, also giving your time pro bono. I think eventually it may transmute into a not-for-profit company, but there are financial considerations and the time is not quite ripe.

I'm going to close this thread at this point, as I want to follow up some of your suggestions. If you have put forward ideas, I will do my best to explore them all, and get back to you if necessary for further discussion.

Thank you all again.

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 26, 2005, 12:49:53 AM
Hi everyone

I have caught up a bit, and decided to open this up again. I will try to answer  all of you in time.

I had such great suggestions from you, and it has spawned the new shop - http://www.cafepress.com/kneegeeks - amongst other things.

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 26, 2005, 12:54:01 AM
I've only been a member for a few months and I don't know if you already do this, but when I joined I remember listing my email address. If others are like me, I check my email daily. You could send out a monthly email to all members featuring some of the items for sale, information about the classes, maybe a knee related article, and a reminder to send a monetary donation.
It's a good idea, but I know I will fall down on this one. What I have decided to do, though, is to make a kind of colourful promo banner for the right hand side of the bulletin board, and keep it up to date with new products, courses etc. As the Google ads are automated, Google will pop my banner up there from time to time and everyone should be able to see it.

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 26, 2005, 12:56:55 AM
The top 2 images are the front of two of the shirts i have been working on.  The last image would be the back of both t-shirts. 
Lynn, We'll go with these ideas. They are good. But I need to work with you to get the graphic resolution up to the online store's standards. I'll private message you.

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 26, 2005, 01:32:51 AM
Some of you will notice the words 'Charter KNEEgeek' appearing next to your names in acknowledgement of a donation recently received. If I have omitted to acknowledge a recent donation this way, please drop me a private message.
Thank you.
KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: sienna on July 26, 2005, 10:58:40 AM
Well I just found this thread by accident via the News Box at the top of the page.
There are some very interesting points put forward.

I'd like to say that I very much enjoyed the first course on the patella and feel that any regular peson would benefit from this as it was easy to understand.  Having recently seen another doc, the ifo I now have made me feel much more in control.   So I would definitely recommend them.  I didn't mind paying for the course because I know I got expert information and the certificate was very professional.

Advertising is an option but I hope you are able to keep it under control.  There is nothing worse than seeing ads popping up everywhere you look.  I like seeing them down the side of the page.  They are easy to read if you want but at the same time not obtrusive.

I like the idea of tshirts and the shop.  I'm always telling people bout the website, friends and docs as well. 

KG, I hope that you can get more revenue in to keep this site going.  It would be a terrible shame if you were unable to stay afloat. 
I think that a combination of all the ideas mentioned here should and will help.
Once people know of your need, I'm sure they will band together to help out.
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 26, 2005, 03:32:15 PM
Hi
I will try and keep the ads useful. Firstly, I have switched the front page Google Ad column into an 'Image Ad' space, which should be more interesting to advertisers. See http://www.kneeguru.co.uk. I'll see how it goes, and do something similar in the forum to draw attention to new site events and features.
KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 26, 2005, 06:04:52 PM
Tri-sport
Could you go with this? We can do image and text high res, so it should print ok, but not the same x-ray view as you had. Fonts to link more with the existing suite of products.
Be frank.
KNEEguru

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Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: sparkle999 on July 26, 2005, 06:20:30 PM
get links to booksellers of popular knee books

get links to all the major sites in other countries too.

get links to physiotherapy equipment sites selling wobble boards, gym balls, recumbent bikes, cryocuff etc????

I've had to search for all the above independently. I am sure these other sites would 'pay per click through' or pay you a % of any sale they made.

Good luck. I love this site. Personally I would pay membership, but NO WAY would I have don ethat initially. You would need to give a month free or similar.
xx
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: Rennschnecke on July 26, 2005, 07:00:19 PM
Dear KneeGuru

I think that this site is extremely useful, and the key value lies in independence.  I think that there is scope for extending this type of information service under sponsorship and syndication to a number of bodies, e.g. sports bodies.  The key beneficiaries would be sports people at participant, recreation and semi-pro levels.  Sections may also be useful for others who have a need for your info.

If you are interested in discussing this further, let me know.

Mary

Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 26, 2005, 07:03:28 PM
get links to booksellers of popular knee books

get links to all the major sites in other countries too.

get links to physiotherapy equipment sites selling wobble boards, gym balls, recumbent bikes, cryocuff etc????

I've had to search for all the above independently.
Hi
I'm building this up slowly. But there is not much out there for non-medics. All book and product links on the KNEEguru site DO earn a small commission from Amazon. But I can improve on this.

I think we can build up some books of our own and sell them from the new shop. Have any of you seen how Wikipedia works?

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: dubbin on July 26, 2005, 07:13:06 PM
Wow- alot of good discussion here! I am now sorry to say that I joined the site mostly because it is free.

I would like to agree with a few suggestions-
1. It would be good to have the adress posted for donations. I for one am more comfortable with that method.
2. I think a donation drive would be a great idea! The fact is that alot of people just flat out forget about things like that. I would like to suggest, if you planned on going along with this idea, to do something like a coupon book. I donate to a hospital here in Chicago and they send you a coupon book so you donate $12 a month for 12 months (or whatever amount). That way, there is more of a steady cash flow instead of just big donations once/twice a year.
3. I think the shop would be great.
4. I really like the idea of an open discussion with a real Dr or even PT. I would definatly pay to be able to ask ?'s freely in a setting like a chat forum. You could put a discription of the professional, times to sign up for, etc. One idea is a locked chat room (can you do that?) and once payment is recieved email the password to access.

I would also like to agree that I don't go to the homepage too often. Links would be great. And I too don't check into the classes too much because I also was under the impression that it was not really for the average person. Some testimonials would help in choosing one that is right.

I want to say that this site has been very helpful. Endless amount of information here. And just support in general. I think that whatever you decide to do, the kneegeeks will stand by and help out in any way we can. I think we would all hate to see anything happen to this wonderful site!
Thank you KneeGuru for asking an opinion before changing anything. That is a perfect example of how you truely operate this site for the people who use it. Even though we may take advantage of your hospitallity and helpful nature, we all appreciate that you keep going!

~Dubs
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: dubbin on July 26, 2005, 07:29:06 PM
One more thing-    ;D    I checked out the classes area. I didn't see anywhere on there how it works. Do you sign up and just download literature to read on your own? Or do you have to be online at certain times to do this? It would be helpful to know what the commitment is when signing up it would help to decide if it is worth it.
Thank you.
~Dubs
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 26, 2005, 10:27:59 PM
Hi Dubs
I have made the courses both free while this discussion is on. Just register and go for it. You won't be asked to pay. Try the arthroscopy first for a taster.
I'll come back to you on your other suggestions.
KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: ski bum on July 27, 2005, 12:40:09 AM
KneeGuru,

The reply button showed up again--just to let you know. 

Andy
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: Ron22 on July 27, 2005, 04:14:52 AM
knee guru...........i have my own fledging company...pr/advance work/mostly rock bands but a fw authors and It clients....send my an Im via the board and i would be glad to discuss either via e-mail or phone........it's the least i can do...and would be willing to offer my services pro bono...

ronnie
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: runningislife on July 30, 2005, 12:37:25 AM
I'm new to this website but like everybody else here I've had a debilitating knee injury. I would really like to have a 'kneegeek' t-shirt or two. The online course idea is not workable for me as I'm too busy to devote any effort to mine, and the 'university of phoenix' pops up everytime I visit the 'drudge report' and other websites. Somebody had an idea to allow surgeons to advertise...that's practical because we the membership could be their greatest advertising advocate or harshest critic. Maybe allow pain medications to be advertised too. Pharmaceutical firms would have a targeted, interested  and motivated audience.
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on July 30, 2005, 06:12:44 PM
Somebody had an idea to allow surgeons to advertise...that's practical because we the membership could be their greatest advertising advocate or harshest critic. Maybe allow pain medications to be advertised too. Pharmaceutical firms would have a targeted, interested  and motivated audience.
Hi
At the moment I list the surgeons without charge. Why? Because when the idea of putting surgeons onto a patient database was new, very few surgeons would have felt comfortable with the idea of paid advertising. They probably still don't, but they have all - bar one - accepted being listed, and I have several strong advocates. When I wrap some better services around their listing I will probably offer a free basic listing and a paid-for premium listing (with secure email, curriculum vitae, web links, a blog, post-operative protocols and the ability to amend their wn record).

I will give attention to the idea of pharmaceutical adverts. Many thanks for your ideas.

KNEEguru
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: losingitathome on July 31, 2005, 12:21:30 AM
this is a great idea, maybe $1.00 log in or a minimum fee thru paypal would work, alhough with the web these days- you can chat anywhere for free. I just found this site and really enjoy hearing what everyone has to say about the different knee issues, and YES.. i ould buy a t-shirt for me AND y family.... that is a great idea...... hope the person who asked the first question about revenue reads this.. also, some major corporations at the begiining of each fiscal year donate much of their "charity" money to websites and events if this willl help others.. they might sponsor or have teir logo on htis page-- gets them pklenty of advertising..... try that one...
KNEEguru,

Tri-sport has created the t-shirt idea with slogans to be voted on from the members.  You have graciously offered to "lend" your logo.  (Tri-sport...not trying to step on your toes, believe me...!)

Would it be difficult for a company to produce the t-shirts and handle all the business and marketing end, with a portion of the proceeds going to the site?  You could have a link right on this site with an online ordering process.  I know many of us would probably LOVE to have a KNEEguru t-shirt!  For that matter, coffee mugs, tear-away pants etc!

Another thought is to work with several reputable companies who deal with helpful aids etc for surgery recovery...for every kneegeek who purchases from these companies through this website, a small percentage is delegated to the site board for the referral.

Just a thought...kath
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Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: ProfLiebstrom on August 02, 2005, 01:11:10 AM
ugh shows how observant I am lol only just noticed this.

First course I found fantastic. The forums were nice and easy to use. Everything was nice and simple.

Second course is also fantastic. However you probably noticied I have actually said nothing on the forums for it, especially compared to the first one which I wouldn't shut up on!. Reason being it takes me about 10 minutes to actually find them lol. Another thing I don't like is I keep getting e-mails all the time with what people are posting. I've since figured out how to change it so i only get 1 a day but still can't see a way to disable it.

I think another major reason for people not doign the courses is they simply don't know about them. There may be a link on the front of the site and all but even I miss it sometimes and I know it's there and what it links to! IF people notice the link they don't really know what it is so just ignore it and go for something they know....like forums.
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: JenSinclair on August 05, 2005, 09:53:32 PM
My Joint Effort t-shirt was a HUGE hit at PT today.  A bunch of people asked me what it was all about, and where I got the shirt...and I told them about the site.  With any luck, we'll have a few more Pittsburgh knee geeks joining us soon!

Peace,
Jen
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: The KNEEguru on August 06, 2005, 10:49:00 AM
It's good to hear critique about the products - and so far only good comments.

I've been giving, as you all know, a lot of attention to everyone's ideas, and I've taken a bit of exernal advice about where KNEEguru should go when one day when I'm gone. (PS not planning to go soon  ;))

The one thing that I am sure of is that it is the members of the site who provide much of the information and the compassion that it has become renowned for. I have looked at various models of its potential future, but for the moment I have decided on this course of action:

1 That I should continue to head the site and keep the same corporate vehicle, ie the same UK registered company - not make a new not-for-profit structure

2 That I give serious consideration to either willing the shares to a not-for-profit, so that the KNEEguru becomes owned by a not-for-profit after my demise, or making it into an international 'co-operative' owned by its paid-up members.

3 To start very soon a 'Wiki' (see the Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) - and hand over the content production to all members who have three stars and above (for security from casual spammers) and other serious but maybe lower-star members if they make personal application to me.

4 That I request from the members the formation of two voluntary member groups - one to work on a business plan - to whom I will share details of site stats etc, and another to work on editorial content, identifying the strong and weak content areas, pdf production, course production, books etc. Eventually maybe a third for the shop, advertising, sponsorship etc.

These will be unpaid, though, and will need to include a system for limiting the time involve in the group, allowing people to leave and join after a period of involvement. I ask that those interested (and some have already done so, and I will write to them under IM) please give careful thought to your experience for this initial experiment - later there will be plenty of room for those with energy but maybe less experience.

Big stuff! Over to you for comments or criticism.
Title: Re: I need your help
Post by: jb-knee-geek on August 06, 2005, 02:25:46 PM
wow shilea, all good ideas. I love the way your are allowing this idea to evolve by leveraging the site. Great use of technology to move the idea forward.

It's going to come down to what direction you want to take your creation.

As an interested party, I'd be glad to help for items #3 or #4. That shouldn't take too much of my time.

Idea #4 seems to me to be a way to really tweak the site for whatever your next step is.

At this point in my career, for any serious amout of my time, I can participate as an investor or as a paid consultant for a coporate entity, whether for-porift or non-profit.

thanks for staying in touch,

jordon