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The WAITING ROOM => GENERAL KNEE QUESTIONS and comments (good for new threads) => Topic started by: sharon_g on May 16, 2005, 01:15:47 AM

Title: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: sharon_g on May 16, 2005, 01:15:47 AM
Since I have mangled my knee pretty solidly, I was able to draw the following comparison:

I would prefer an ACL reconstruction over a tibial plateau fracture if I had to choose.  The pain and recovery is much more managable from the ACL than the TPFX.  A simple comparison - I didn't pop as many narcotic pain pills for the ACL. 

I have had people ask me if giving birth is worse than a broken leg as well, and I woule have to say the broken leg, because the pain just never stopped for months and birth it's more intense by a long shot, but it doesn't last three-four months...

Thoughts?

Any one else have the honor of this wonderful kind of useful insight?

Sharon
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: stgiles16 on May 16, 2005, 03:32:24 AM
LOA on a knee hurts much worse than an abdominal hysterectomy and a c-section is worse than a hyst too. Ankle reconstruction is also a breeze when compared to knee surgery. SHoot, I sound like I have completely fallen apart here LOL. I wish that I was unable to compare all of these things.

missy
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: missmyknee on May 16, 2005, 03:41:55 AM
I broke my tib -fib in 4 places. The fracture was displaced and my leg angulated. I've also given birth to 6 kids, have had IM rod , plates, surgical rebreak of the tib-fib, TTT, LOAs, chondroplasties, and TKR with a total of 8 leg/knee surgeries.......I can honestly say the broken leg was by far the most painful experience I have been thru.

Pam
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: Heather M. on May 16, 2005, 06:22:13 AM
Knee situation in general has been more painful than:

*Car accident resulting in separated shoulder, broken collarbone & fractured sternum, along with groovy seatbelt bruising across my whole chest.

*Recovery from open appendectomy and repair of major severed abdominal artery,

*32+ oral surgeries, including root canals, extractions, apico-ectomies (don't ask--ouch), crown lengthenings, etc.  Note to parents:  do not give your babies/toddlers/young children Tetracycline, as it ruins the adult tooth enamel and sets up unhappy times in the future!


Knee has not been more painful than three very brief instances of medical agony:

*Infection in jaw bone after dental implant.  The pain of this tied with my knee infection pain, but the jaw is so close to your brain that there is no escaping it.

*Being hit by a very happy, very spastic 80lb Dalmation running at top speed...right in the side of my bad knee.  Talk about seeing stars and actually gagging from pain.

*Waking up in post-op after my laparotomy/appendectomy and having NO PAIN MEDS because my blood pressure was too low.  That lasted about five minutes--the longest of my life.  Whenever anyone asks me about my pain levels on a scale of 1-10, that is always my 10!

But by and large the knee has been the worst thing in my life--the pain just drags on and drags you down after awhile.  I would say that prior to this last surgery, my pain level was 4/10 on waking up and would go to 6/10 during the day--sometimes higher.  And while these levels aren't 'unbearable' in and of themselves, they get freakin' old!  I'm sure you guys know what I mean. 

Hopefully, I will soon be on the other side of that divide.  The knee has been very sore recently, as I have been doing more in PT and putting more weight on with the brace and crutches.  And my brace was unlocked to 30 degress, which means I put weight on a slightly bent knee--always fun after a cleanup scope.

Heather
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: Alla on May 16, 2005, 06:40:34 AM
Hee hee.....

Well, for me.... I tore two ligaments in my ankle a few years ago.... the initial injury there was not painful until they iced it... then I went through the roof and didnt come down again for about a fortnight.  In comparison when I did my knee there was instant pain that went after about 5-10 minutes, then it aches for a little while and I was walking about on it ok the following day.. only a little pain. 

I've often drawn the conclusion that even though my ankle was way more painful, and swollen etc, I'd much rather do and ankle then a knee because at least you can tape up an ankle, stick it in a boot and do the laces up really tight and get on with life..... a knee is just responsible for so much more and if it is unstable then life has to stop for a while.... that is my take on it anyway. 

Alla
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: stgiles16 on May 16, 2005, 12:23:45 PM
I have had 2 open ankle ligament reconstructions and neither one of those hurt nearly as badly as any of my knee surgeries. Rehab was easier on the ankle too.

missy
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: shambles on May 17, 2005, 01:08:19 AM
My knee injury was BY far the most excruciating pain i've ever had.   I actually screamed to have someone knock me out and I was AT the hospital when my injury occured.  That pain was far worse then when I was hit by a drunk driver, my right foot went through the floorboard of the car and as it came back up, it tore the top part of my foot off, (top of the ankle) as well as severing nerves, tendons and breaking bones.  Not to mention the skin grafting weeks later.   I was nwb for much longer with the knee injury.   
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: Beauzer on May 17, 2005, 01:23:27 AM
My overall OR ranking at this point

OATS (the first 3 days) > ACL recon > MCL plication > breaking sternum in TKD after getting kicked and having to keep sparring for another 30 minutes > appendectomy and cholecystectomy > all the other knee scopes I've had (including the microfracture)

but my true 10 on the pain scale was waking up after the ACL recon with nothing on board but my still-not-working epidural - my OS said you  could hear the screaming all the way down the hall - as bad as I felt after the OATS, I still couldn't bring myself to call it any higher than a 9!
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: Kris on May 17, 2005, 02:35:20 AM
My knee problems hurt comparable more to the achilles lengthening procedure I had don on my ankle.  Just like Alla said, an ankle you can put securely in a boot and go about your daily lives, but with the knee...my whole daily routine depends on if I can walk when I get up every morning.  It would be nice to be able to stick the knee in a "boot" tie it up and get on with life, but it just doesn't work out that way.
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: sparkle999 on May 17, 2005, 03:42:04 PM
The knee is more problematic and persistent than anything else. Giving birth was painful but purposeful(even with a 5kg baby to push out) and at least babies go to sleep and stop demanding your attention occasionally. If only I could leave my knee with a kneesitter for the evening......

Anyway, worse than childbirth and worse than a full internal repair following childbirth that kept me off work for 12 weeks.

In fact, I think I prefer the good-things-that-have-come-out-of-having-a-duff-knee thread. This one's kinda depressing..... but interesting

xx
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: KarenS on May 17, 2005, 10:10:08 PM
My knee problems (back then and now) have been worse than both of my c-sections, combined. Not more painful, mind you, but just worse in general. As horrific as the pain was with my first c-section (which occurred after my body was beat up by 25 hours of labor), I knew it was going to go away. I have no idea when this is going to go away, and the mental wear and tear from that is worse than horrific pain, in my opinion.

I still stand by the fact that I'd rather have a problem with both arms than with both knees. You don't realize how much you value being able to walk until you start having problems doing it and realize you're chained to your own home. :(
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: PattiAnn237 on May 18, 2005, 12:15:59 AM
I have had :

- a cardiac catherization
- a pacemaker implanted
- Two 8-hour cardiac ablations with only a local sedation
- my gullbladder removed

and still my recovery from my LR was the most painful
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: jillo on May 18, 2005, 02:38:28 AM
I am a wimp about needles and for me the worst part of the whole saga (patella dislocation, torn bits, meniscal repair, tendonitis, bone shaving, menisectomy, scar tissue removal and LR) was the giant syringe of anaesthetic that they put in through the back of my hand this last surgery.  My entire arm felt like it was being slowly frozen.  The anaestheologist said I wouldn't remember it BUT I DO!  Clearly.  The time I fell down the stairs on my crutches and dislocated and broke my toe was memorable too.  In comparison to that the surgeries were an absolute breeze. 

The worst pain though is the back/ hip pain.  I've always had an iffy back but of course the knee problems make it worse.  It sucks because, although it's not a horrible pain, it will not go away and I end up not being able to sleep. I've tried massage, stretching, yoga, ice and various rub on gels and things but nothing seems to work except codeine or Vicoden.  Which is far from ideal as I am a zombie the next day.
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: stgiles16 on May 18, 2005, 12:29:47 PM
OH my gosh, I forgot about the dislocated broken toe!!!!!!! I lost my balance on my crutches on Christmas Eve and kicked my crutch and dislocated and broke my toe. I must admit that crutching and being nwb with a broken dislocated toe on the supposedly good leg did hurt really bad,,,,,,, and I couldnt take any pain meds because santa had to come that nite and I had to stay awake. To top that off, the entire family (except me)came down with a horrible stomach virus on that Christmas Day. At one point, I just sat down in the floor and cried. It is funny now but imagine trying to clean up after 3 people who are sick to their stomaches (and the 2 kids didnt make it to the bathroom in time) with a broken toe on one foot and nwb on the other. I think that that was my lowest point ever emotionally. I was very proud of my then 14 yr old son,,,, he put my toe back into position without flinching (I flinched but he didnt LOL)

broken toes do rank right up in there with knee surgeries.

missy
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: jillo on May 18, 2005, 05:06:57 PM
Stgiles, I am soooo glad I'm not the only person who did that.  It was so embarrassing explaining it to people- Yes, I fell over my crutches and injured my good leg, why yes I am very graceful, thank you.
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: stgiles16 on May 18, 2005, 05:22:15 PM
And to think that I took 7 years of ballet LOL. It was very embarassing explaining that one.
I too am glad that I am not the only one.
missy
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: Run262 on May 20, 2005, 06:55:34 PM
I have to add my two cents here.

While I have had knee surgery and some complications (so I know what it feels like to be in pain and not be able to use your knee) I have to say, that a painful herniated disc in your back that causes radiating symptoms down your leg is more painful and debiliating for me. I only thought my knee problem was the worst and most painful thing that happened to me until I herniated a disc in my back - having to deal with pain upon ANY lower limb movement is horrible, the back problem took all focus away from my knee.
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: Zaz on May 20, 2005, 07:53:14 PM
I've got chronic back pain - always have had - but the knee has made it so much worse.  I thought I understood chronic pain, you know - at least a little - before my knee injury but I didn't have a clue. 

I think maybe having a  cortizone injection in my heel was the worst pain I'd had before this.  But that's really just a couple seconds of pain.  I know perfectly well that there are many people who have far more pain than I do.  I don't want to experience it, thanks.
Title: Re: Useless injury comparisons
Post by: JenniferCH on May 21, 2005, 05:20:44 AM
OMG!!!!  Yes, I hear the ACL tear alone will get you back up and walking, bending, etc.  My fractures went undx for almost 4 weeks.  I was in SOOOO much pain.  I am over the 6 week hump and when they didn't know about the fractures, I was poppin' em' 2 times a day for PT.

My newest problem is the medial meniscus.  I cannot bend more than 93 and I need to get to 120.  I don't suppose you have medial meniscus experience, eh?

jen