Meniscus :
INFO NEEDED - - Posted by suessee (suessee), 13 November 2004
Two months ago I began having the most horrible pain in my left knee on the inner side. After 3 Dr. visits and a cortisone shot I had a mri and found I had a torn meniscus. Went from walking on a walker to now just a small limp and very little pain..I do know it is there at times but nothing that I can't live with...OK Will it continue to be this good, get worse, did it heal, and most of all do i have surgery...Its so hard to think of going through surgery with such a small pain....Very confused...Did anyone else hurt bad and then it go away. Maybe it was just that the pain was so horrible and improved so much that I feel like it went away....Im so confused.. Know so little about this problem.
Any info would be appreciated.
Suessee
Posted by kneesurgery (kneesurgery), 14 November 2004
some small meniscus tears dont require surgery. I would suggest asking your doctor what he/she thinks. A couple physical therapy sessions might be able to determine if you will need surgery.
Most tears cant heal by themselves because the meniscus does not have good blood supply. If you are active then you would want to get it taken care of because it could get worse. Kinda like a crack in your windshield, at first its just a small chip but as you drive with wind pounding on it, eventually it turns into a giant split in the glass.
Sorry for the cheesy analogy. The best advice would be sought from an orthopedic surgeon. Talk to the doc again and stress your concerns.
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 16 November 2004
If you had a cortisone shot recently, that's probably why the pain is reduced. It's highly unlikely that the tear healed.
Whether or not you need surgery depends on the type of tear, the amount of pain, and the advice of your doctors. Some tears can cause other cartiladge damage if untreated, others won't cause new damage, even if they won't heal.
Personally, I just scheduled surgery to have part of my lateral meniscus removed. I had this done 13 years ago, and there is a new tear. Walking only hurts a little, tae kwon do hurts a lot. And I decided to have surgery because I don't want to give up tae kwon do.
Either way, good luck.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 16 November 2004
thank you both for answering. I have decided to go through with my surgery. There is enough pain that I know it needs to be fixed and I know I shouldnt wait....Good luck with yours blackbeltgirl......Suessee
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 20 November 2004
I just read this thread and it may be the answer to my questions (and prayers!). The pain I had became severe, but has diminished to nothing, and I have not had any treatment other than CAM, Healing Touch and massage and acupressure. Wondering whether to wait on surgery. I feel I have been rushed through this process, saw OS three weeks ago, had MRI Monday past, and they have me scheduled for surgery on 12/7. I even mowed the lawn and washed the dogs today, no difficulty nor pain.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 20 November 2004
Chaplain, I prayed for my knee to hurt a little bit just to let me know I have a problem..It has almost stopped hurting at all but the last 2 nights it has bothered me..It lets me know it is still there. lol......My OS told me it would only tear more and I would still have to have surgery in the future....I think what heppened to me and probably you was the inflamation healed and the horrible pain left....Im going through with my surgery after Christmas and hoping for the best...Good luck to you also...
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 20 November 2004
suessee, and also blackbelt girl,
Thanks for both the messages I just read. I hadn't had any cortisone, which I know would relieve the inflammation and pain, so I guess I wasn't thinking along the lines of recurrence and worsening.
Also, I do tai chi, and that has been off my plate with the pain and reduced range of motion. So, I suppose I should continue with surgery plans; my only thought, awaiting e-mail from my primary, is waiting till school is out in March instead of rushing right in now over Christmas....just thinking again
Posted by sienna (sienna), 20 November 2004
Chaplainbabs,
It seems that your comfort levels are okay at the moment. Although the tear won't heal by itself (most likely), it really isn't bothering you that much so I would think that waiting til Mar next year won't be much of a prob. I got my tear diagnosed in Apr last year but didn't have surgery til Sep. (wc and holiday etc). And it really didn't affect me any more than usual. so as long as you are careful and avoid activities that hurt or irritate the knee, then you should make it to Mar next year when you will have a longer time to recover.
But that is my opinion only. If you feel that you are being rushed into surgery then don't. You've got to feel comfortable about doing it at the right time. It's not something you just line up for.
Take care and good luck
Keep us posted.
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 24 November 2004
Seussie - good luck with your surgery.
Chaplainbabs - good luck with your decision. I agree with the previous post - you should feel comfortable with the decision and the physician before scheduling surgery. Your attitude is a big part of how you heal (regardless of what your doctor says), so make sure you are ready.
I'll post an update in a couple weeks, after my surgery.
Happy turkey day.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 24 November 2004
Blackbelt, when is your surgury? Good luck with it..Suessee
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 30 November 2004
Surgery is December 8. I'll post back here to let you know how it goes.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 30 November 2004
Please do and good luck. Suessee
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 30 November 2004
suessee - is your name a variation on Sue, or are you a fan of Dr. Seuss? I have a cat named Dr. Seuss, so I wass curious.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 30 November 2004
Im Sue...Just started using Suessee in game rooms because Sue was already taken so I spelled it Suessee thinking it wouldnt be used and it worked....Tell me something..Do you ever hurt in the calf of your leg...Lately mine is so sore and only hurts when I stretch my toes or walk....Im wondering if maybe I am using it more trying to not put weight on my knee..
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 30 November 2004
Sometimes I get cramps in the calf, but I never associated that with my knee. Usually it's a matter of potassium, calcium, and/or vitamin D. Try eating bananas and stretching.
I do get sore sometimes right where the calf meets the knee, or where the hamstring meets the knee. I haven't found a stretch that does much for either of these spots.
Hope it goes away soon.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 30 November 2004
thanks and be sure and let me know how things go...Good luck....
Suessee
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 30 November 2004
suesee, and blackbelt girl,
I am interested in all I am reading. My surgery is set for December 7, and my only concern is the recovery time, since I live alone with two dogs. I see the physical therapist this morning, and am waiting to see what she says.
Thoughts and prayers for you, blackbelt girl, as your surgery approaches!
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 30 November 2004
chaplainbabs -
Do you have someone who can stay with you the first few days? Or at least someone to come walk the dogs? My dad is coming down for my surgery. My dr. said I should be walking (to the kitchen and bathroom) the day after surgery.
Good luck, and let us know how it goes.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 30 November 2004
Chaplain I also think you need someone with you a few days....You and Blackbelt can certainly keep me updated on what to expect since mine is December 28th. Good luck to you both and let us hear from you on your recovery....
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 1 December 2004
No, I have no one to stay with me. I have made arrangements for my regular dog-sitter to come and play with the dogs. They are two abused rescues and neither walks much (they have a doggie door and big back yard). I have food in the frig and live in a one-story house. My neighbors and people from my church are going to be available.
On topic - I met with the physical therapist this morning for eval pre-op. Boy, does the knee hurt tonight! But I do understand that this can help in my rehab. I am planning to take three days off at work, and I am in a situation where everyone is supportive. Hope this works!
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 1 December 2004
Forgot to say a big thank you to you both! Yes, I will gladly share my experiences, in the hopes that we can all help one another.
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 1 December 2004
Oh, my family is all on the East Coast and my dad would likely come, but he's 92 and doesn't need to try to take care of me! 
Posted by suessee (suessee), 1 December 2004
Chaplain, Church people are definately family and you will be in good hands...Let them help when they offer..Don't forget to have your bag of frozen peas to ice with lol. Hope you had a good night and free of pain today...
Suessee
Posted by knitterbetty (knitterbetty), 2 December 2004
A few years ago, My sister had a torn miniscus and was about to have it repaired when she developed bronchitis, and spent five weeks lounging around until the bronchitis went away. After all that time sitting around, her pain completely disappeared. The MD said that the sitting around had nothing to do with her knee pain disappearing, but that's what happened.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 2 December 2004
knitterbetty, Thats kinda what happened to me but it has hurt enough lately to let me know it is still torn and needs repairing....Mine was so much better I was tempted to not have surgery. Hopefully your sisters is ok and she won't hurt again...
Suessee
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 2 December 2004
Are any of you guys dealing with the FMLA paperwork from your jobs? I just got mine, and it seems so extreme for the amount of time I'll be out. Oh well, just sharing my amusement.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 2 December 2004
I dont work so thank goodness I have no paperwork to do....Good luck with it.
Suessee
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 2 December 2004
Let's see ~~~~ I work as a casual perdiem, so no paperwork I just don't get paid when I am not there 
My knee pain began as an annoyance, no injury known, after I walked a long, fairly steep downhill. It became progressively worse, with intermittent times painfree. Then it really became an issue, and I worked with exercise for 4-6 weeks with no improvement. That's when I saw the ortho guy. And, that was less than a month ago!!!! So, in these days, I think that's pretty speedy.
OT - a bit - last night a fellow retired military woman offered me the loan of her car (I have a stick) for the duration!
Today I am trying to clean up around the house, and then I have to have an EKG. So, once all is lined up, I'll be as ready as I can.
Babs
Posted by suessee (suessee), 7 December 2004
Chaplain Babs and Blackbelt ...GOOD LUCK...Let us hear from you as soon as you feel like it...Will be praying and thinking of you....
Suessee
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 7 December 2004
Thanks. I'll try to post on Thursday!
I'm still focused on "positive thoughts lead to positive actions lead to positive outcomes".
Good luck Chaplain.
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 7 December 2004
Hi, Sussee, and Blackbelt,
They have delayed my surgery till much later today, and I have to stay overnight. No one noticed that I have a platelet defect (which is in my chart, and about which I talked with the surgeon!!!!) and so the anaesthesiologist is all in a twit!
So....I won't be home till tomorrow morning, instead of this afternoon.
Ah, well....will let you know what happens next, as the soap opera begins with the opening at noon!
Posted by suessee (suessee), 7 December 2004
Good luck chaplain...will be praying for you.
Suessee
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 9 December 2004
Hello all.
I had my surgery yesterday. General anesthesia - they gave me lower doses of narcotics since I usually get pretty sick from general. I was home about 4 hours after I arrived. Slept most of the rest of the day yesterday, with no pain.
Today however, the knee is taking much less weight, and doesn't like it if I move around too much. But I Haven't taken any pain pills yet. I may soon - when I go back downstairs I'm soing my 2nd set of strengthening exercises.
As it turned out, it was a small tear in the meniscus, and some bone spurs from arthritis. They apparently smoothed out the bone spurs too. The Dr. said something about a biopsy, and saving some of the cells. If I lose enough weight, they can "insert" these cells to help the cartilage or something like that. I'll ask more questions at my post-op appt.
Chaplain, hope your surgery went well too. And I hope you're getting the help you need. Getting around the house on crutches is tough, and you don't have extra hands to carry stuff.
Good healing everyone.
Jess
Posted by suessee (suessee), 9 December 2004
Sounds like things went well. Take care of yourself...Gosh, you mean I will be doing exercises the day after my surgery? wow...Bet that felt good lol....Keep us posted on your progress.
Suessee
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 10 December 2004
Blackbelt girl and suessee,
Well, the surgery went fine, according to the surgeon. But, I had some problems afterward from the drug they insisted I take because of the platelet defect I have. I kept telling them I was not symptomatic and didn't need it - they insisted. Result was that after I was home, the next day, I got a horrid headache, and finally I called and was told to go straight to urgent care. They put me in the hospital, because my sodium was dangerously low, and I just got home about an hour ago.
Worst is that the ER doc said that I was right and should not have had that medication.
The end is that I am fine, no pain whatsoever in the knee, it felt better even right after surgery. I am using or taking crutches everywhere I go so that if I need them I have them.
Good care in hospital, but if I had wanted an inpatient stay I would have planned it!
Looking forward to hearing from y'all.
Peace and blessings of the season,
Babs
Posted by suessee (suessee), 10 December 2004
Chaplain, Glad you are better and hope you continue to improve...To both of you, take care of yourself and keep me posted....Sounds like its nothing much to worry about......So did you both walk the day after and did it hurt or did you use crutches all the time or just when you need them....I want to know it all ha ha.....Good luck and keep improving...
Suessee
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 11 December 2004
Suessee,
You and I are about the same age; don't know about Blackbelt Girl. But, the reason I comment about that is that I'd surely expect you to have a good outcome. I only used the crutches when I went to the DMV for Handicap Placard that they gave me for four months. (I didn't want the DMV person to think I didn't need it! )
Posted by andrewc (AndrewC), 11 December 2004
and your a chaplain??...... 
Pulling one over the DMV
Blimey 
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 11 December 2004
Well, perhaps, but if they denied me the placard and I need it in the coming days (don't know how this will all play out) then I do have a challenge. I did walk a bit at the OS office this afternoon, and he still thinks I should have the opportunity to park close in if I need to. Be great if I had someone else to run errands, etc, but I live alone. Also, you may rest assured that I wouldn't park in a blue space unless I needed to - I also said that and got some really funny looks!
But, as I said, I don't know what the next days will bring in view of the problems I had after surgery.
Enjoyed your comment, BTW!!!
Posted by suessee (suessee), 11 December 2004
Wise to get it Babs....I will cry, limp, even beg if I have to ha ha ha......Im kidding...we have one but like you we use it only if needed..Most of the time he puts me out in front of the store and then parks...But believe me if my leg is bothering me and Im alone, I WILL USE IT...I just wish my leg would hurt the week before so I will feel like I need to go....I wish I had gone when it first happened and I was in so much pain...Hate to feel good and go to surgery....But I will....It hurts a little but the other pain was so bad that this is nothing....I could live with this if I had to but afraid it will get worse..
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 11 December 2004
Hello everyone.
Suessee - I am 30 years old, if that helps you plan your expectations better.
Anyway, I was doing exercises the day after surgery, but not well. Went much better yesterday. I can limp around the house without crutches, but I'm mostly still using 1 crutch. The dr. said to use them unless I can walk without a limp, and I haven't reached that goal yet. No huge amounts of pain, it's just not strong enough to take all the weight yet. I am also working on getting more range of motion, I think that will help my gait.
Chaplain - sorry about your problems. I just love it when our doctors don't listen to us. It makes life so much more interesting. I hope your friends are helping out some - running errands, or bringing you dinner, etc. I've had lots of offers, and my dad leaves tomorrow, so I make start accepting those offers.
No one offered me a handicap parking decal. You need the doctor to fill out the form, and he didn't mention it. Probably because, by the time I'm allowed to drive I shouldn't need it.
I'll check back in a couple of days to see how everyone is doing.
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 11 December 2004
Blackbelt girl,
Glad you are doing well. I actually haven't used the crutches and can walk without a problem. Just the other stuff that has been a challenge. I had already planned food, etc, so that has been fine. (I even was treated to pumpkin mousse cheesecake from a luncheon at church which someone brought to me - along with a few other items since I hadn't planned the hospital stay!)
Since I do plan to return to work next Friday, and for PT visits, parking is free with HC card, and that was part of the rationale for me.
Blessings to all, Babs
Posted by suessee (suessee), 13 December 2004
Blackbelt and Chaplain,
Let me hear from you with your progress...Hope you are both doing well.
Suessee
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 13 December 2004
Yay! I can walk!!!
I officially dumped the crutches yesterday. I can walk with only a small limp, and I can even do stairs without the "step-together" if there is a hand rail, and only a few of them. I am still thinking about when to return to work. I'm liking this life of luxury, and may just take advantage and stay out the full 2 weeks recommended by my dr.
I think I'm going to break the rules, and drive to the supermarket and video store this evening. I'm about to go to my 2nd round of exercises (I was told to do them 3X daily, and it takes about an hour each time, plus at least half an hour to ice afterwards), then I'll make the trip. I'm almost out of milk, and I can't drink coffee without milk.
Mostly, I'm just taking it easy. Watching tv, doing my exercises, and practicing walking and standing, putting normaly amounts of pressure on the knee. At least I feel good enough to shower daily now. That's a nice improvement. No pain meds, at all.
Hope everyone else keeps doing well.
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 13 December 2004
Today I went to my regular prayer group, have been driving myself around - not too bad since I can park in close with HC card. I am avoiding the malls (I don't like them anyway) and other such places.
Tomorrow is my first PT appt, since I missed Friday being in hospital.
All in all, the knee deal was fine, and the other issues are truly idiosyncratic.
Glad to hear you are doing so well, Blackbelt. We'll just have to keep on keeping on and Suessee will be along in a while
We'll be rooting for you, too, Suessee, when you have your surgery.
Ah, yes, if I had known how fast and how good the recovery would be, and that the pain was immediately gone, I might have done this sooner!!!!!
Posted by suessee (suessee), 14 December 2004
WOW..You two are making this thing easier and easier for me...Seems like everything is going great...I am so proud of both of you....Two weeks tomorrow and Ill get mine done....By then you will both be dancing a jig lol......
Good to have such good reports from both of you..Keep us posted....
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 15 December 2004
Today went for my first post-op visit w/ PT. She said she had never seen anyone as good at one week - I said I bet she says that to everyone, and all the folks there said, not Christie! So, I guess that translates that at least the knee is fine - the rest will come!
Tomorrow I see my primary care doc and on Thurs morning I see the OS.
Stay tuned!
Peace and blessings, Babs
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 15 December 2004
Well, I had a venus doppler yesterday. I had a pain in my calf for several days, that only hit when it was weight bearing, and was not a muscle not. At least to me. Since my post-op isn't for another week, and I was worried about a blood clot, they did the sonogram. FOrtunately nothing was wrong, but I swear, that hurt more than the knee. Not the test, the calf muscle.
I've decided to milk it. SInce my post-op isn't till next week, I'll go back to work after that appointment. I'm enjoying my time off.
Chaplain - I'm glad to hear you're doing so well. I feel like I'm doing ok, but it's still a long road from here to where I want to be. Are you in formal PT? I am wondering if my dr. will prescribe it, so I was curious.
Jess
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 16 December 2004
Hey, Jess,
Yes, about PT. I actually started with an eval prior to surgery, and then was to see her 3 days post-op (but that was when I was in hospital). I have a significant regimen of exercises designed to rebuild muscle and maintain the other leg, plus time on stationery bike, at no speed, ie, my choosing, for 5' to start, then up to 10' still with no target speed. Also, toe lifts, which strengthen that calf muscle.
Can't remember exactly what else you asked. I did meet with my primary care doc this AM, and we are addressing what went wrong ~~ he's a bit miffed! Will let you know what happens tomorrow when I meet with the OS for post-op.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 21 December 2004
blackbeltgirl, haven't heard from you and chaplain babs this week..How are things going...Getting ready for mine next Tuesday.
Suessee
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 21 December 2004
Hello ladies. I just had my 1st post-op this morning. The good, the bad, and the ugly...
Well, the meniscus tear was small, and was not the main cause of pain. Which is the good news - I still have most of my meniscus intact.
The bad news is that I have a large "lesion" on the cartilage of the femur. Basically, the did a chnodroplasty to clean it up (meaning the shaved the bone spurs, and smoothed it out), but it is 3cm x 6cm in size. They did try to stimulate healing, but I was told that it generally only works if the lesion is 2cm x 2cm, or smaller. Mine far exceeds those measurements.
I start physical therapy after the new year. I need to do everything within my power to strengthen the musclest that support the knee, and keep them strong. Nothing that allows any twisting motion for another 2-3 months. (This, sadly, means no tae kwon do for me. Truly devestating, since I usually spend about 8-10 hours a week at tkd, teaching and taking classes.)
And, if I lose a bunch of weight, I am a candidate for ACI. Basically, they took some healthy cartialdge, they'll grow it in a lab, and in a more complicated procedure they'll add it back in. I'm off to learn more about ACI now.
Good luck Seussee. Check in after your surgery.
Jess
Posted by suessee (suessee), 27 December 2004
Hi Blackbelt and Chaplain, Chaplain, havent heard from you in a while..Hope things are good...On my way this morning for pre op work....Surgury tomorrow...Man do I dread it....But we have things prepared and hubby is a good nurse. I think I told you about the ice pack...3/4 water and 1/4 alcohol.....Mixed me up some and it is wonderful...gets slushy and will form to my knee great..In fact we went to wal mart and bought 2 more bottles of alcohol and made me 3....If you are still icing you need to try it....I put it in 2 freezer bags in case one opens. lol..say a prayer for me.....Suessee
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 27 December 2004
I never thought of that for the ice pack. I used the igloo contraption they gave me for the first few days, then I switched to frozen peas. I can actually handle the weight and pressure of my regular ice pack now.
Don't worry too much about the surgery. Your attitude will play a big part of your recovery. Things will go smoothly, it will be a success, and within a couple of weeks you will notice drastic improvements.
Good luck.
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 27 December 2004
on 12/27/04 at 13:52:14, suessee wrote:On my way this morning for pre op work....Surgury tomorrow...
That makes two of us! I don't have a sense of dread, so much as anticipation to see how it feels when I wake up, and to find out whether it was a repair or a removal (OS can't tell from MRI, so he will decide while he's in there). I probably won't sleep much tonight thinking about it. I'm told I'm either going to be walking tomorrow and doing whatever I'm comfortable with, or walking in 4-6 weeks and doing PT for 3-6 months. I would certainly like to know which already!
Frozen peas! They form easily to whatever you put them on, and they aren't too cold (remember not to put ice directly on your skin!). They worked great after my vasectomy, so I'm assuming they'll be good enough for my knee.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 27 December 2004
Bwalling I never connected frozen peas and vasectomy together but if it works then good lol......The alcohol and water looks like it will be great...I also have a bag of frozen veggies in case it doesnt work...Good luck tomorrow...Let us know how you do and I will say a prayer for you...Mine is at 7 and I have to be there at 5 in the morning...Doctor said today it is small and he will shave it off...We shall see.
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 28 December 2004
Suessee,
You are in my prayers. I've been a bit slow because of the screw-up with anaesthesiologist, et al, and not up to my usual self. The knee is great absolutely!!! Went to PT today with a different therapist as mine is skiing in Utah , but this therapist said she couldn't believe how fast I was mending.
Working as usual, which is on my feet; I do take a break when I need to - using an XL rubber glove with crushed ice as an icepack, and it works, too! I am a frozen pea person, also, but a friend of mine swears by corn - she says it holds up better than peas. And, I have used the alcohol and water mix, the only issue is the ziploc leaking.
Looking forward to hearing from you after surgery.
Welcome to the conversation, bwalling
Peace, Babs
Posted by suessee (suessee), 28 December 2004
Babs, So good to hear from you and glad you are doing so well...I really was getting concerned....Thanks for the prayers....Can never have too many prayers. Got me thinking about the alcohol and water so I put mine in a closed bag then put that in another bag...Maybe it won't leak....Have my veggies as a back up....Will write as soon as I can.
Suessee
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 28 December 2004
Bwalling and Suessee - Hope everything goes well for you today. I start physical therapy after the new year, with a new long-term plan for ACI. On the other hand, I'm off to NYC for the new year, so the recovery from this procedure is going well. Too bad there are more procedures in my future.
Be careful with the champagne on Friday night - not a good mix with those wonderful painkillers offered up by the dr.
Jess
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 28 December 2004
Hi, Jess, et al,
Hope you are continuing on the mend. I always seem to be the designated driver - so, fortunately, I have needed no pain meds at all, and I promise not to drink - alcohol, at least!
My daughter-in-law is in town for a few days, so I may not be here much. Her trip was shortened by the airline fiascos, so~~~~but she's safely here now!
Happy New Year to all, and we can all hope and pray for a better 2005!!!!
Peace, Babs
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 28 December 2004
I've been home for about 4 hours now. I iced it for the first two hours, and the pain was pretty bad, even after taking some Vicodin. After two hours, I got up to go the bathroom, and used the crutches to get in there. When I did it, I realized that my knee suddenly felt much better. I've done a little bit of walking around the house. I haven't been able to do much because I'm pretty dizzy from not eating and the anesthesia. I haven't bent the knee at all, because that seems to hurt.
The doctor called and said that there weren't any other problems, just the meniscus. He said the tear was difficult to find, even though it was fairly large, because it did not come through to any of the surfaces (basically, the posterior portion of my meniscus was turned into a bag). He seemed to think that it was very strange for someone of my age (28 ) to have a tear like that.
It seems as though elevating my leg on pillows is what makes it hurt.
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 28 December 2004
Sounds as if all went pretty well, though you had a pretty good-sized tear. I'll admit I have a high pain threshhold, but I didn't take anything at all until the next day when I took two extra-strength Tylenol - and then had the problem that landed me in hospital for two days! (not related to the knee!!!!)
Prayers and positive thoughts of healing to you, bwalling, and sooner rather than later.
They told me that being active - not to pain, but up and about - was good, and since I am still being told I have healed amazingly rapidly, perhaps there's something to that advice.
Peace, Babs
Posted by suessee (suessee), 29 December 2004
Got home today about noon....Everything went great. The tear was small and he had to grind and clean up a little lbut he said everything looks great now....Walked in the house on my walker with no pain...WOW about 5 I was so sore but still trying to do my leg bends and walk every hour. Havent had any pain meds but might take a pill before bed just so I can rest...Hang in there Bwalling.....sounds like yours went great also....Let us keep hearing from you....Glad to hear Jess about the NY trip..Where are you from..We have a 2 week tripped planned end of Jan so that makes me think Ill do fine going....Happy New Year all....Good to hear from you Babs
Posted by suessee (suessee), 29 December 2004
I'm from Alabama...Would love to know where you all are from
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 29 December 2004
I live in Virginia now, but I grew up in NJ, near NYC.
Seussee and bwalling - glad to hear you are both doing well. I never really needed the pain pills, I was on naproxyn for the anti-inflamatory affect, and I think I've taken a total of 3 pain pills. 1 as a test while my dad was still visiting, 1 because I just couldn't sleep, and once because I had done a lot that day, and my knee was really sore. (But I will admit, I am bringing some with me to NY, and I'm saving some for a trip to Europe in February. I am sure if I spend all day on my feet i will need them.)
Happy New Year!
Jess
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 29 December 2004
I am in San Diego now, been here almost 34 years, born near Philadelphia, grew up in Connecticut, and spent high school and college years in Louisiana ~~~~
Glad to hear everyone is doing so well. I went to a HUGE open house at friends' last evening, didn't use my cane (I never had a walker), and after about an hour and a half, I came home, just pooped! I am usually one of those who is still there carousing at the end!!! But, it is good for me to be aware of limitations, because I am not good at those!
Also, I knew I needed to finish up two papers today, and am having brunch with my daughter-in-law, and I didn't want to be tired today.
Didn't sleep well last night, but that was the horrid storm we had, everything in the garden is blown about; we had winds gusting to almost 60 mph, unheard of here, plus LOTS of rain. Oh, the best part was a skunk found its way under the house in the worst of the storm ~~~~ yuck! ~~~~ but pretty well aired out already today.
Peace, Babs
Posted by suessee (suessee), 29 December 2004
this is the day after and man I am sore...But no pain until I walk..Did take 1 pill last night just to sleep because I had slept all day...Exercise hurts but Im doing it as best I can....Glad everyone is doind good...
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 29 December 2004
Suessee,
Glad to hear your update, that you are doing well. Each day has been better than the one before for me!
Peace, Babs
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 29 December 2004
I can limp around fine, but walking normally produces pain - not from weight, but while I am bringing that leg forward.
I have some pressure in the back of the knee (there was a Baker's cyst there on the MRI, but OS felt it best to leave it alone). It's a little tender to the touch there. Can't tell if there is swelling or anything because I have to keep the bandages on until tomorrow.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 29 December 2004
Have been very active last couple of hours and find it much easier to move around...This has really been a lot easier than I imagined....The hard part now is going to take a bath without getting it wet.....I will manage that...Hubby has been a wonderful nurse...Lady from church brought chicken spaghetti and slaw and my daughter in law just brought in ham and bean soup for tomorrow....Hubby fixes coffee and brings me..might just have this done every month ha ha ha OH and he even picks up after himself to keep the house clean....
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 29 December 2004
Hey, Suessee,
I am a shower person myself, but I just took a plastic bag that my newspaper came in and taped it with heavy-duty clear package tape, like one uses to seal those Christmas boxes. Worked like a charm and I never missed a day of getting clean and fresh!!!
Peace, Babs
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 29 December 2004
on 12/29/04 at 22:33:22, suessee wrote:The hard part now is going to take a bath without getting it wet.....
I was told to use saran wrap and wrap tightly from the calf to halfway up the thigh. Was told it would be good enough for shower, but not a bath. I used it to shower this morning and my bandages stayed dry.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 29 December 2004
Thanks Bwalling....Good to know..Will try that....Hope you have a good restful night....Suessee
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 30 December 2004
They told me I could shower the next day, but to wait at least a week before submerging in a bath. The incisions are small - you just need to clean them and cover them after a shower.
Glad to hear everyone is doing well. I tried walking up my driveway this morning (it's a very steep hill) and found out that going up is painless, it's just coming down that hurts. One more thing I can do again. Yay!
Have a good new year's everyone!
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 30 December 2004
Had a full day at work today (I have a desk job, but I walk around a bit). It improved significantly through the course of the day. I'm walking much more normally and I can keep up with others now. The difference from yesterday is enormous.
I took the bandages off when I got home today. The swelling is still a little funny around the top, but otherwise it looks pretty good. The holes are amazingly small - other than the stitch, you'd have a hard time finding them.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 30 December 2004
Bwalling you are doing great. I am tired today and not with it as much as yesterday. Just didnt rest last night. My staples are itching and driving me crazy. Keep up the good work Bwalling.
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 30 December 2004
suessee, and bwalling,
I find it interesting that y'all are talking about stitches and staples - all I had were steristrips, nary a stitch in sight!
Peace, Babs
Posted by suessee (suessee), 30 December 2004
Mine looks like he pinched up the 3 places and put 3 staples in each and they are itching something fierce....It is strange the different things I read..My doctor never mentioned ice....He said sit in a chair and swing my leg..and lieing down to move from side to side.....What did yours say about exercises and ice....
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 31 December 2004
I was supposed to ice and elevate it 20 minutes out of every hour that I was awake for the first 48 hours. Outside of that, I was free to walk as much as I was comfortable with.
As far as stitches, there is only one in each of the two holes. The holes are remarkably small - I doubt there will be visible scars.
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 31 December 2004
Mine said ice 5-10' each hour, and also as needed, to relieve pain, discomfort, whatever. I did ice that first night and morning, but after I was admitted to hospital, I never thought about it again. Truthfully, though, the other events had me so stressed that I hardly thought about the knee at all, crazy though that may sound.
Glad to hear y'all are doing well!
I'd probably play it by ear, and ice might help ease the itching, Suessee. Amazing to hear how differently things are done in different parts of the country - though I know from work that this is true.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 31 December 2004
You are right...I iced and it really did help the itching...What exercises do you do.
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 31 December 2004
I have two whole pages of exercises, which I started before surgery; afterward, after I got out of hospital, the PT started me on some others. The first one was to put a rolled small towel under the proper leg, just above the knee (either lying down or propped up a bit, but not fully sitting up) and tighten all the muscles, especially the top of the thigh, and press down with the leg. This strengthens all the muscles from your butt to your ankle, and helps protect the knee as it heals. The second was to bend the knee, maybe 45 degrees or so, not a lot, and press the heel into the bed (or whatever). This does the opposing muscles to the first exercise. Heck, takes more to describe than to do!!!
Those were my workhorses. At my second PT visit, I rode the bike, no resistance, and did heel drop and toe raise, plus some stretching. I can tell both legs are benefitting from all this
Hang in there, it's all sooooo worth it!!
Happy 2005!
Peace, Babs
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 31 December 2004
I was only given one exercise to do - lie on your back and lift your leg 12" and lower again. I'm supposed to do 10 sets of 10 twice a day. I don't have any PT scheduled, either. I go for post op on Monday, and I was told that my recovery schedule would be set based on how I felt (although he reiterated his two week miracle recovery prediction right after he said that).
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 31 December 2004
What should I expect in terms of range of motion? I can't get to 90 degrees yet. It was originally less than 45 degrees, and I had attributed that to the bandaging, but even when I took that off, I'm pretty limited. It's not pain that's limiting me - my leg just won't go any further.
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 1 January 2005
Good morning, bwalling,
and Happy New Year!
I found that the gentle bending exercises helped, but it took 3-4 days of that to get my knee to bend. I had a small area that was quite puffy at the back of my knee, and that apparently was part of the problem. I was told by the PT not to force the knee, but to try to gently go a bit farther each day with it.
It has been interesting to find how differently these things are done and treated in various places! Mine was apparently quite standard for my area, at any of the healthcare providers; we have four major entities in my area, and they're all pretty much the same in the matter of treatment of knee issues of all sorts!
Good luck, and keep up the good work of rehabbing the knee!
Peace, Babs
Posted by suessee (suessee), 1 January 2005
I cant get to 90 but I'm really just doing leg bends until Monday when I go see him then I guess we will discuss all of that....He didnt seem concerned with exercises or maybe I was asleep. I do think I am walking too much without the walker or crutches...I dont know if I could have gone to work in 3 days Bwalling...But Im probably a lot older than you and I do tire easily....Happy New Year to all.....Sue
Posted by suessee (suessee), 3 January 2005
Went to the doctor today. He removed the staples and said I was healing well. He had to remove 50% of the meniscus...I wasnt thrilled with that. I start PT Wednesday.....Jess, how was NY? Hope all of you are improving daily.
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 4 January 2005
I would guess I only had 40% removed, but he never really stated that (I'm just guessing based on his pictures and drawings). It was a strange tear - it turned my meniscus into a bag, basically (the tear was entirely in the middle, didn't reach any of the surfaces). I have a very thin layer of the top of the meniscus left in the areas he removed.
I was told to start biking and come back in two weeks - if I was doing well, he might let me start running then. I told him about the limited ROM (I can get a little past 90 deg). He bent it all the way, which hurt a little, but was mostly tight. He seemed to think that was fine.
Posted by cjones (cjones), 4 January 2005
Can I join in? I'm having surgery on the 14th. I just read everyone's post and they have been very informative. My OS isn't sure if he will do a removal or repair. I'm having surgery on a Friday and he said I would be able to return to work on Monday no matter what he does to my knee. Little worried about that but I think I will take off Monday as a precauction. I have to walk far to get from my car to desk so I don't want to push anything. My OS did give me a sheet of excercies to do and I started doing them to help with a knee cap tracking problem and he said I would continue the same excercises when I return home. He only orders PT for 5% of his patients. My knee was hurting for several months and then stopped for about a week. The pain this week has been worse then ever. I've been taking advil every 3 hours. Did anyone get a feeling in their knee that an electric current was hitting their knee? I get this buzzing feeling in my knee and it really hurts. It just started the last couple of days.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 4 January 2005
CJones, sure you can join us. My leg just felt like somebody was in there with a knife stabbing. Only peace I could get was lie down and turn my leg to the left, lieing on my back and nothing touching my leg..This went on for a couple of weeks and then would just hurt occasionally...In fact I almost canceled surgury. Surgury wasnt bad as I expected... Only had 2 pain pills and one was to sleep...I could not have gone to work that soon but I think the others did...Im 62 and that im sure hurt me in walking. I would have been ok at a desk but getting there would have been a problem for me..going to the doctor yesterday and then to eat took a toll on me..Im really sorer today than have been after surgury.. Keep us posted and ask anything you want..The others can help you im sure...
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 4 January 2005
You can always use crutches to get from your car to your desk (I wouldn't buy any if you don't already have them, or can borrow them). I certainly think that moving around has helped my knee to feel better. The difference from one day to the next is huge in those first few days.
I went to work two days later (Tuesday surgery, worked on Thursday). It wasn't too bad, although I had to get up one flight of stairs. I brought a small cooler with my frozen peas, and I used them twice during the day.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 4 January 2005
bwalling you are so right...everyday was a huge improvement. It is really an easy surgury. BUT I have laughed at just the thought of me on crutches, with an ice chest and a purse going up a flight of stairs. When I got to my desk I would have been calling 911 hahahaha.....I couldnt have done that...Doctor, Wal Mart and out to eat lunch yesterday almost did me in...I am so sore today and I really have walked a lot at home and exercised....Maybe I just overdid it...Normally it didnt ache unless I was walking and today it has ached when I am resting....
Posted by cjones (cjones), 4 January 2005
Thanks for all the great info. I really think things will be good. Just a little nervous. It sounds like everyone is really doing great!! I'm glad to hear everyone is healing so well.
Posted by tonid (tonid), 5 January 2005
cjones,
I had tears removed from both knees, never needed crutches, and was back at work in less than 2 weeks. I just take advil as needed, but, as a nurse I walk alot and have managed pretty well. I am dog tired by the end of the day, but ice, elevation and advil help. It is rough the first few days, but found the more I moved around and did passive exercises, it helped to not be so stiff when I did walk around. Every day is definately better than the last. The worst is being patient and wanting to do more.
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 6 January 2005
suessee: For the first two days, I was only comfortable when standing or walking. When I elevated my leg, it would hurt, and it hurt miserably while doing that.
How is everyone doing this week?
I am quite pleased to report that yesterday was the first day that I didn't do anything differently because of my knee. It didn't really occur to me until this morning. I walked normally (no limp). I went up and down stairs the way I normally would (except that I didn't take the stairs two at a time). I had no swelling or pain. I still can't squat, but I could barely do that before the injury (I've had pain in my knees for 13 years).
One thing I did not anticipate in all of this is my fear of playing soccer again (the injury was caused during a soccer practice). My OS anticipates that I'll be able to play in another week or so, but I don't think I will. This is rather strange to me since the only thing I thought about from time of the injury until the time of the surgery was playing soccer again. It has really gotten into my head that my knee will never be the same, and that my risk of injuring my knee again is significantly higher.
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 6 January 2005
bwalling,
I wanted to get back to hiking and backpacking, which I haven't been able to do for six or seven years now. My OS comments on my age, but my primary thinks I should be good to go by late spring or early summer, partly depending on my being able to take the time for long walks before school is out. And, my young friend, the athletic trainer says he thinks I should be hiking in fairly flat areas with light pack by Easter week. I think that, given the differences in our ages and activity level - I never played soccer, but tennis does twist the knees! - that I am delighted with my future prospects for getting back to a higher level of activity. No tai chi nor yoga if it hurts, though I am now working with my yoga coach to adapt for the present so I will be back within two weeks.
Good luck to all,
Peace, Babs
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 6 January 2005
Hello everyone. SOrry it's been so long since I checked in. It sounds like everyone is healing well.
As a reference to a prior discussion, I was able to bend to 90 degrees within the first few days. I had my 1st PT session yesterday, and I can get to 120 comfortably, more if I push it. I did A LOT of walking in NYC this weekend, and mostly it got easier as the weekend moved on. Therapist said I probably loosened some scar tissue, etc. which is a good thing. And it was mostly the muscles that were sore, not the joint itself.
I was given exercises to do starting the day after surgery, and I've been pretty religious with them. The therapist traded one of those for an alternative, and added weight on all the other exercises. I need to be sure I can turn without hurting my knee. But he did say I am in the top 20% of healing. Apparently people with long-standing, and multiple knee injuries sometimes do better with surgery. We don't expect to be 100% pain free, since we've lived for years with pain. Adults with their 1st realy injury apparently have a harder time accepting their new status as the walking wounded, and aren't always as religious with their exercises for recovery. Who knows, but that's what he said.
Ive got pt 2x a week for 4 weeks, and I'm still hopefuly that I will be allowed to return to martial arts, if I am willing to give up competition. And in the mean time, I'm glad I pushed it in NYC, because I'm noticing improvements already.
COntinue healing well, follow all instructions to strengthen your quad muscles, and happy new year.
Jess
Posted by suessee (suessee), 6 January 2005
Good to hear from all of you. Started pt yesterday and it was great. Went this week from walker to cane...Really dont trust the cane but Im improving...Cjones, the surgury is not bad. This hasnt been a bad week..The worse thing for me now is I tire easily when I am up a long time...But like I said, Im 62 and tired before ha ha ha.....If I knew I had to go back next week for surgury I would in no way be as nervous or worried as I was before...I like you was dreading it and scared...It wasnt fun, but in no way as bad as I had made it up to be in my mind...You will do great...
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 6 January 2005
Hey, suessee,
Give me a break!!! Don't let all these youngsters give us a hard tine we can heal with the best of them, only depending on where we want to go with it!
My fatigue before surgery was primarily from the constant, debilitating pain - I am amazed at how much better I function without that pain - sleeping through the night, etc.
So, you and I can do this too!
Peace, Babs
Posted by cjones (cjones), 6 January 2005
It sounds like everyone is having a great recovery!!!! That is awesome. Everyone has helped ease my mind with the surgery. I'm only 26 (don't mean to rub in my young age, LOL) but I've had several other surgeries. This is the first one that has freaked me out at all. I think the thought of bearing weight on my knee after they chop into it is terrifying to me. I realize there will be only two tiny incisions but it still freaks me. I have a high tolerance to pain. I had my gallbladder removed on a Friday and was back at work on Monday so surely I can do this!! Wanted to thank everyone again for all the support! I have my pre-op tomorrow and surgery on the 14th. One more question, several people I work with have had knee surgeries and the hospital's sent them all home with a special ice machine. Did any of you get that? They said it was wonderful.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 6 January 2005
You are right Babs. I was really impressed with myself yesterday at therapy. I hung in there with the rest of them...Yes, the pain is gone and I am determined to get well and get back in my exercise class and be able to go and walk and do the things i use to do before the knee problems. We have a trip planned for Jan 30th. Two weeks in Florida with a few of our camping buddies so Im working really hard to be able to do MGM and Epcot and not have to say hey guys wait for me lol..
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 6 January 2005
I got the ice machine. It's basically a small cooler, with some tubes and a pump. You fill it with ice and water, and it pumps cold water through the "ice pack" pad. I had it on pretty constantly the 1st day, and slept with it for the first few nights. (It includes straps, so it stays on while you sleep, and doesn't result in wet sheets like most ice packs.)
I've mentioned before - my dr. told me to take 2 weeks off. At first I thought he was 100% nuts, and so would I be after 2 weeks. Turned out, i enjoyed the time off, it allowed me to do the pt exercises 3x daily as recommended, and I think in the long run, will help my recovery move faster. The quad muscle atrophies INCREDIBLY quickly. So doing those exercises as much as I did really helped me get back to normal walking, etc.
Cjones - I've also had a lot of surgeries. this is my 2nd knee, gall bladder, bunion, etc. and I'm only 30. This is WAY easier than my gall bladder was, but I was in the hospital for a week before they could even do that surgery, I was so sick. If you handled gall bladder that well you'll be fine with the knee.
Posted by tonid (tonid), 7 January 2005
ok, another question for you knowledgable knee folks.
When working today, I got caught up in an emergency with a newborn and pivoted to grab something for a doc, and when I did, I felt a pop in left knee, hurt like heck, and now I am limbing again, and have lost some of my ROM. Could I have done something. I know pivoting was on the list of moves not to make, but I forgot about my problems when I was working with the baby. I have taken aleve and will do some ice, after dinner. But I am worried I may have messed something up. The pain in now on the lateral aspect, and back side of the knee.
Help someone, I am freaked out now!!!
Toni
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 7 January 2005
Post surgery, you will have scar tissue forming in your knee - it's inevitable. Part of the purpose of the exercises is to break up the scar tissue, because if it is allowed to build, your movement will be restricted. Some crackling and popping is to be expected with this, especially if you moved in a way that you haven't moved since the surgery.
You should definitely see if the pain continues or if it fades within a day or two.
Posted by tonid (tonid), 7 January 2005
Thanks bwalling,
I will keep an eye on it. I just feel a little spooked and have seen so many people on here with repetitive injuries, I just want to be very careful.
I appreciate the advice.
Toni
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 7 January 2005
tonid,
I did something similar, and found that light massage helped. Bwalling is right about the scar tissue; I had a spot that just wouldn't move with the rest of that area, but with massage (which my PT did first to show me) the tight spot went away, and with it the pain.
My PT and I also talked about stairs, and she suggested a "controlled fall" to try getting down - up was no problem. Tonight I tried it coming out from the Uni library, which has 24 steps down (I counted!) and that technique worked fine, no pain, nothing!
I also worked out at the gym for the first time today, and I just feel so much better .
And, losing the automatic and reverting to my own car went pretty well, also, though hard driving up north this afternoon in the commuter traffic.
All in all, I am thinking that a month has been plenty; and the OS said 3-6 months? Hmmmm ~~~~~ maybe he's the one with the age problem, not I, and not you, suessee!
Peace, Babs
Posted by suessee (suessee), 7 January 2005
YOU GO GIRL....Keep me young and straight ha ha....I tell myself all throughout the day, if Babs can stay alone after surgury and she and Bwalling can go back to work in 3 days I CAN DO IT ALSO..Gosh, and Jess went to NYC. Im working really hard for my camping trip to Florida and able to tour MGM without pain...I can do it...I can do it I can do it....
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 8 January 2005
Ugh. Today wasn't as good as prior days. While walking around Target this evening, my knee starting crackling and popping, and there was significant movement of "things" inside my knee. After a few minutes, I stumbled, and tripped over my own feet. It was pretty painful on my knee.
It's strange to try to describe, but it feels as though my meniscus is loose, and sometimes it gets folded over, and my knee won't move correctly. After a while, it goes back, and my knee will move again.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 8 January 2005
Oh no Bwalling...I am so sorry....I hope you are not doing too much....I am still taking things slow...I am far behind all of you in doing activities but everyday is better....My PT told me to still use my cane and not to be on my leg too much..To rest a lot....Had second pt today and it really has helped me...You need to see your doctor...If you cant this weekend I would rest and ice as much as possible...Do any of you take Glucosomine? My doctor said to double up on it until I heal...My PT told me today I would be walking good in a month..I ask at the end of the month when we go to Florida will I be ok and she said I wont be leading the parade ha ha ha.....Take it easy Bwalling...Good luck and keep us posted...
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 8 January 2005
Today it's one month since my surgery, and even with the setback and hospitalization, I am off the cane!!! Went to PT this AM and she said to keep the cane close, but I worked all day at the hospital, on my feet, and I am fine tonight.
Yes, suessee, we can do this, and a lot more!!!! Age is only a state of mind - and if you don't mind it doesn't matter
bwalling, I am sorry you had a bad day. Hope tomorrow will be better.
Yes, I take glucosamine daily and have for years (I was diagnosed with arthritis at the ripe old age of 20) I did start back on my supplement regimen slowly, because of the high blood pressure that medication they gave me caused. The second thing I added. after regular vitamin-mineral mix I take. and antioxidants, was glucosamine with boswellia. Next I add back lutein and bilberry, since I want my eyes in great shape before my eye surgery in March. I am still putting the arnica gel on the knee twice a day, gently massaging to prevent any scarring and adhesions.
Keep me posted, I know all will continue to improve.
Peace, Babs
Posted by cjones (cjones), 8 January 2005
I had my pre-op today. No big deal just a ton of questions and some blood work. I have severe anemia so they said they will have blood ready in the OR. I doubt I will need it. The only thing I want to call my doc about is on my paperwork at the hospital is said my procedure is for meniscus repair/removal and laterral petela tilt. He mentioned the tilt to me at my appointment but said it was no big deal and that I had it in both my knees. He didn't mention doing a laterral release to fix it so I think I will call and check about that. Our company change our sick leave policy and we are only allowed 5 days a year now. We use to get 29. I can't afford to use sick time in January so I decided to go on short term disb. for 2 weeks. This way my time off won't count against me. With two small children I can't risk using up my time the 3rd week of the year.
Sounds like everyone is doing great. Sorry to hear about your problem tonid!! I have heard from other people that they had a lot of crackling in their knee afterwards. I would keep a close eye on it.
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 8 January 2005
Interestingly, I feel fine again this morning. I have a pretty thorough set of notes that I keep, so I'll see if it happens again, and I'll bring it all up when I go back next Monday. Perhaps there's a perfectly normal explanation for what that was.
I don't think I'm doing more than I've been told I can. I don't do anthing more than walking and biking, and I've been encouraged to do both of those. I may play golf this afternoon, but I was given permission to do it as long as I get a cart and don't walk the course.
cjones - I ended up signing a consent form for anything short of a total knee replacement. It's difficult for them to full diagnose many of the problems from XRay or MRI, so when they are in there fixing the meniscus, they will check everything else out and fix things as needed.
Posted by tonid (tonid), 8 January 2005
Well, ice and rest are great and I woke up without anysoreness yesterday. Saw PT and she also said it could be scar tissue, or my hamstring, so she gave me some other exercises for the hamstring.
I did stairs in PT yesterday with one foot in front of the other, like normal people, and rode the bike with zero pain. So the PT has released me, and I will just continue my exercises at home.
I feel great this morning, almost normal actually, just a little soreness around the incisions, but not bad at all.
I feel very lucky that all has gone so well, since it hasn't even been 3 weeks yet. I won't be running anytime soon, but can do pretty much everything else at a pretty normal pace.
I wish everyone could do as well. Hope everyone continues to make positive steps forward in the healing process. Slow and steady wins the Race!!
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 10 January 2005
D@*&^ this laptop. I just accidentaly erased my whole message before posting.
Bwalling - you probably released some scar tissue. Painful for a few hours, but good in the long term. Also important to getting back your full range of motion. When I was in NYC I walked more each day, with less pain each day. The PT said it was the release of scar tissue.
Seussee and Chaplainbabs - glad to hear you are both doing so well. I am now in formal PT, an hope to learn soon if I will be allowed to return to tae kwon do. I am also hoping to learn if I *NEED* the ACI, or if I can put it off for a while. I am not terribly excited about surgery that will take 18 months to recover, since the 2-3 months from this surgery is frustrating enough.
Good luck to everyone. Keep up with those exercises at home. They are the most critical part of your recovery.
Jess
Posted by suessee (suessee), 10 January 2005
Everyone seems to be doing great. I started the bike this morning at PT...No pain...The first time around I kinda went whooooooo afraid it would hurt but it didnt..I did 10 min...I am now up to 50 of each exercise and doing them at home also...Everyone keep up the good work.
Sue
Posted by suessee (suessee), 12 January 2005
2 weeks yesterday since surgury. PT going great. Still walking with cane. Still icing and resting. Only problem is inside of knee is sore and I mean soreeeeeeee. PT checked and said everything feels fine...No fever or swelling and she said rub it to help rub out soreness...2 weeks later and it is sorer than the week of surgury. Did anyone else do this...
Posted by cjones (cjones), 12 January 2005
I'm starting to get a little nervous about surgery. It is only 2 days away. The thing that makes me nervous is not knowing what they will be doing for sure. I like to know exactly what is going on. I kills me having to wait till after the surgery to find out. My knee has been worse this week. I'm kind of glad in a way. It makes me feel like I've made the right decision. The inside of my knee hurts but now the top part on the outside is starting to hurt. My other knee is also starting to give me the same problems. We are going grocery shopping on Thursday. My husband can only cook mac-n-cheese. I just plan on him cooking on Friday and Saturday but mac-n-cheese will get old fast!! I'm also stocking up on frozen peas!!!
It sounds like everyone is doing their PT and doing great. One of the guys in the office had a scope done last February and he said he still has pain. That didn't make me feel better but his OS said it is normal and probably scar tissue. He is going back in to be reevaluated in a couple of weeks.
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 12 January 2005
Stouffer's makes several frozen entrees (lasagna, turkey & stuffing, etc) that aren't bad, and are easy to make. Turn on the oven, put it in for an hour, and eat.
The anticipation of the surgery was hard for me. I wanted to get it done as soon as possible for two reasons. First, I wanted to know what would be done (repair/removal, other problems, etc). Second, I wanted to start recovery so I could go one with doing things.
I'm certainly better off in regards to my meniscus for having had the surgery. I have this incredible pressure sometimes in the back of my knee that hurts like heck. That comes and goes (usually when standing after sitting for a while) and the OS didn't seem worried about it.
Posted by cjones (cjones), 12 January 2005
Thanks Bwalling! That is a great idea on the frozen meals, I hadn't thought about that. My husband can surely do that!!!! I figure I will be in bed most of the day on Friday but on Saturday I should be up and around enough to supervise him in the kitchen. Our kids would love living on mac-n-cheese!! I did want to ask one more question, how long was it before eveyone started driving? I'm having my right knee donw and my car is an automatice. I have a 30-45 min. commute in to work.
Posted by bwalling (bwalling), 12 January 2005
I drove the next day, but I will say that it was not easy. It requires rotation of your knee as well as bending when moving from gas to brake. If it's your left leg, and you have an automatic, you're fine. It's a trick to get in and out of the car without bending your knee. Move your seat back as far as you can where you can still reach the pedals, as this will minimize the need to bend it.
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 12 January 2005
Cjones - Your doctor will tell you when you can drive. Since it's your right knee, it will probably be 1-2 weeks. With the left knee, they generally say as soon as you can bed it to 90 degrees, you can drive. Getting into the car was the hardest part for me.
Good luck.
Posted by cjones (cjones), 12 January 2005
Thanks for the replies. My doc is not a good communicator. He has told me several times that no matter what they do I can return to work on Monday (3 days post of) and can resume all normal activity including driving. I guess this is from a doc's view medically but I know that my comfort level isn't going to allow me to do somethings that soon. I'm off for 2 weeks anyway so I don't have to worry about driving to work.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 12 January 2005
blackbelt are you still sore?
Posted by chaplainbabs (chaplainbabs), 13 January 2005
Hi, everyone,
I know I haven't posted in several days; trying to get caught up with schoolwork from last quarter and get into the swing of this quarter hasn't been easy. Plus fitting in PT and going to the gym on the days I don't go to PT.
But~~~~I am doing fine, pain level today went up to 1.5 or so; PT thinks I may have tweaked my knee in bed or something, that it seems like muscle/insertion and not knee itself.
It was a month last Friday, so I think I am well past and problems. I have four more PT visits, so we are spreading them out at one per week, with my going to the gym the other days and my PT really becoming more of a coach.
Hope all of you are doing well.
Peace, Babs
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 13 January 2005
Seussee - I'm not really sore at all. I am still working on some scar tissue, but I have full range of motion. Stairs are still uncomfortable, but I am hoping that will change as the muscle gets stronger. I have PT 2x a week through the end of January, and I think I pushed it a little too far the last session. They had me on a trampoline, bouncing, but that hurt like he!!. I do NOT think that's related to the meniscus though, I think most of the problems I'm having are related to the lack of articular cartiladge. And even then, it's always these sharp pains, but they don't last. I call them my twingey spots.
So that's probably more than you needed to know. I cannot kneel, but I have no trouble or pain with normal life, just with PT.
Posted by suessee (suessee), 19 January 2005
CJONES how are you since your surgury? Let us hear from you.. As for me, 3 weeks ago yesterday and I am without cane most of the time...Keep it if Im out somewhere to keep me from getting tired... A little sore this morning but on my way to PT so that will help...I limp but am working on that...Hope everyone else is still doing great....
Posted by cjones (cjones), 20 January 2005
sorry it has taken so long for me to reply. Tomorrow will be one week since surgery and today is my first day out of bed!! They did a repair and a Lateral Release. OUCH!! I was on vicodin till Monday then they double my pain meds. The first 5 days have been awful. I can't handle any weight on my leg and can barely bend it. They said I may be out of work up to a month or longer. Sorry I can't post more, I need to get back to bed. Thanks for thinking of me!!
Posted by ksoccer777 (ksoccer777), 21 January 2005
i am glad to see that anyone who had surgury got through it with little complications. I am having some pain of my own though. Here is a previous message i had sent:
i have been having knee problems for about a week now. I am not sure what is wrong, but I would like tot find out. A week ago, my dad had told me that i had hyper-extened it during a game. I figured that the pain would go a way soon, but it has still been here for almost a week now. There is not any swelling or brusing, but it hurts when i walk after a game, when i try to turn quickly and when i tap right bellow my left knee cap and off to the right a little bit. This is almost right where my knee ends or right above it. Please respond back with any advice on what i should do or what is wrong with it tear sprain what ligament those sort of things
Posted by cjones (cjones), 25 January 2005
Just wanted to stop in and see how everyone is doing? Things are still slow but progressing. I go back in a week for my post op.
Hope everyone is doing great!!!!
Posted by blackbeltgirl (blackbeltgirl), 25 January 2005
Hey all. I waS just releassed by my PT yesterday, so I guess that means I'm recovering well. Apparently I'm doing well getting back the muscle strength, and some of the pain I still feel is due to the damaged articular cartilage, not the meniscus. I go back to my dr. next week, so I'll get a good analysis of my current situation, and what I can expect over the next 1-2 years.
To all of you expecting a full recovery after this surgery - be very grateful. I am expecting to need ACI or some other significant treatment. And after reading the ACI board, I'm not looking forward to it.
Good luck everyone, and I hope you never need to come hang out at the knkeeguru again.
Jess
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