knee2no, thanks for you reply. I am going to be 44 this year september. the majority of the pain is when bearing weight. however, depending on how much ive been on it will also cause pain when resting or sometime normal walking on flat surfaces. when bearing weight, while climbing stairs,ladders or in and out of equipment such as scissor lifts and boom lifts etc... this is when it is most painful. and kneeling can bedone but very uncomfortable and even out of the question sometimes. I have had 2 orthopedic opinions and a skeletal / muscle doctor and now basically fighting my primary doctor now. again, thanks for you time.