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Offline ItalianKnee

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Re: AF specialists in Europe
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2012, 11:57:24 AM »
I am happy I stimulated this conversation table.

I think this is the right way. I would like to stess out that my intent is not producing a black list of those surgeons who did not perform well (still it would be helpful but of course it is not feaseable to put it in a public forum: this can happen maybe in private conversation among the members). On the contrary: it would be a "white" list of those who managed to succeed.
Also it is a must to specify that saying "Europe" means nothing actually. It only means "not USA". This because in Europe there are huges differences in the approach among the different Countries. Just for not being misundersttod, my experince is largely limited to Italy by now with some initial approach in Germany. So necessarely my judgement is Italian (rather than European).
We all want to recover. This is normal. Most of us are young and sporty, and also for those who are not, it is a right to expect quality of life.
I am trying to put in the italian knee forum the link to kneeguru to enalarge the experiences spectrum. It is probably easier to do this in Germany. Who is from Germany in this forum ( apart from Sue) ?
thanks to all.

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Re: AF specialists in Europe
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2012, 09:28:03 PM »
Hi Sue

Thank you for clearing that up. I was going by a post you made on another thread discussing this same subject and mistook the reason you commented as having AF too. I posted Dr Mayr's name because I had found an article by him on Arthrofibrosis after ACL recon.

Dr Hermann Mayr is based in Munich at the OCM (Orthopädische Chirurgie München = Orthopaedic Surgery Centre in Munich) in the Obersendling part of town. The hospital is a part of the Sana Clinic in Plingauerstrasse, the OCM being in a spearate building in Steinerstrasse (just around the block).

He operated on my right knee in 2004 and was excellent. Whatever he did in there ended nearly 10 years of repeated cycles of operating and cleaning up. As my German was not up to understanding all the ins and outs in medical terms at that time I cannot say exactly what he did. but I had no pain or problems, my extension and flexion returned fully, including getting my heel to my butt for the first time in over 15 years. The physiotherapy was long intensive and superb.

I now have a small meniscus tear in the medial anterior horn and we are working on it with the PTs to avoid an operation. My current surgeon was one of Mayr's students. And he really emphasizes the importance of good focussed and frequent PT.

Sue  ;)

Dr Mayr also wrote an article on AF after ACL reconstruction

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15480713

Fran: Another person who might be from Germany is a poster called , sreinhard, who posted earlier in this thread.
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Re: AF specialists in Europe
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2012, 08:33:00 AM »

That's a great idea.

I just posted sreinhard a private message, but i take here the occasion - in case he reads - to ask him: "please, answer me!"

ciao.

fran

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Re: AF specialists in Europe
« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2012, 09:15:53 AM »
Pam,

I have no idea or not if it was anything to do with AF or not. I was certainly never given that as an excuse or diagnosis. They just went in with regular monotony and "cleaned it out and tidied it up". I used to call in my "knee service" as it seemed to occur as regualrly as the service interval for my car! I had always assumed that they were slowly but surely slicing my meniscii away, but it could have scar tissue, I really don't know. Between 1989 and 1999 when I left the UK for Germany I had an operation at least once a year, sometimes more. Those operations included 2 open knee revisions of my ACL reconstruction, so I suppose there was quite a lot of scar tissue in there. I held out until the pain was too great over here in Germany because I was so unsure of what would happen with surgery. I just wish I had gone for it sooner as it turned out.

After Dr Mayr went in and a trimmed the ragged meniscus and tidied up in 2004, I was back skiing 3 weeks later and teaching skiing about 6 weeks later. And I have had NO reoccurrances of the problems whatsoever since he operated. My contribution to the original thread was to show that someone on here had been operated on by Dr. Mayr and that they were highly impressed by both his skill as a surgeon and his manner as a surgeon talking to a patient.

Sue
1989 big trauma R. knee - sorted
1990-2004 3ACL recons and 20+ arthroscopies -RK
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4/06 ACL recon, kneecap broken
09 &10/06- 2x meniscus trims
3/07 - Notch Plastic & Lateral Release
14/8/08 complete revision ACL plus LCL/PLC recon
6/2/09 returned to skiing! Whoopee

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Re: AF specialists in Europe
« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2012, 08:37:55 PM »
My contribution to the original thread was to show that someone on here had been operated on by Dr. Mayr and that they were highly impressed by both his skill as a surgeon and his manner as a surgeon talking to a patient.

Sue

Good to know about Dr.Mayr - thank you
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Re: AF specialists in Europe
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2012, 07:30:18 PM »
Major active German experts on AF are:

PD Dr. Hermann Mayr (OCM Munich)
http://ocm-muenchen.de/statische/contentframe.php4?content=mitarbeiter%2Cid%3D5%2C%2C%2C2

and

Dr. Philipp Traut (Klinik am Rosengarten in Bad Oeynhausen)
http://www.klinikamrosengarten.de/Orthopaedie.51.0.html

They both did or do research on AF and disseminate good operating as well as therapy techniques at national workshops and conferences towards other surgeons.

Furthermore

PD Dr. Jens Agneskirchner is the successor of Lobenhoffer in his clinic and has major knowledge about AF and is also still operating
http://www.sportsclinicgermany.com/index.php?id=191

Be aware that the Lobenhoffer/Agneskirchner team moved from the public Henriettenstift into the private Sportsclinic in 2009.

All of these are true and profound AF experts which have seen and treated hundreds of cases each!

Let me make an example quoting this post: do we have a single patient's feedback about one of the above mentioned surgeons (in the quoted section) surgically fixing or greatly improving his/her knee with AF?
NO, we don't...sadly.
Do we have a succesful AF story in this whole bullettin regarding an AF patient located in EU that was under the care of an EU surgeon?
If yes, PLEASE post here the link/links to this/these story/stories because I've never found them on the bullettin - AND THEY ARE THE ONLY THAT COUNT, IMHO.
Thanks - Bye

There used to be a German language AF bulletin board, where several patients shared experiences when being dealt with by those experts. Sadly that BB is offline since the end of last year, so I cannot put a "proving link" here. Apart from that, these doctors are known to be at least specialists (diagnosis, surgery, therapy, studies) on the topic of AF - which might not say anything about their character qualities nonetheless. Dr. Mayr has dealt with at least dozens, more likely hundreds, of cases personally - but I fear as every AF story is different, there has been both success as well as not. I remember one person from the German AF BB to whom he said "this case is hopeless" after having a look. Some AF cases probably are.