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Offline Irishgemmm

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Starting PT this week... 4 weeks after fall
« on: July 08, 2012, 07:05:47 PM »
My doctor wants me to start physical therapy this week. I fell off a porch on 6/7 and fratured my patella. No surgery needed.

I am a little worried because almost everywhere I am reading it takes 6-8 weeks for a bone to heal. I saw the doctor friday (4 weeks and a day since my fall) he wants me out of the immobilizer and to start PT this upcoming week.  He took x-rays on Friday and to ME it still looks broken. But, he says the patella hasn't moved. So that's good. Still confused!

Having never gone to PT, I am hoping it is pretty mild at the beginning. Yes, I know it will be painful.  I think once past the six week mark I'll feel better. I just feel like I want to heal a little more. It has been hard having the immoblizer off, but I do put it on at night just incase so I dont move too much.

I think the hardest part was my parents in the room with me when the doctor said he wants to see me out of the immoblizer and to start walking and bending my knee. My parents thought I was just supposed to walk out of the doctors office and walk at home. I am still being told "the doctor said you can walk."  Hmmm.... 

I've read on here that with PT you can bend your knee a little bit more each time to a different rotation. It just takes time. It's hard on me because my family thinks since the doctor said I can walk that it's just me not wanting to. Ugh! Heck, I wasn't even able to swing my leg on crutches for a few weeks, I can now though. This is not fun.

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Re: Starting PT this week... 4 weeks after fall
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2012, 10:09:14 PM »
Irishgemmm- no it is not fun!  It's too bad your parents were with you...  It does sound like your OS has a more agressive approach, but that can be to your benefit.  I did have surgery, but my OS didn't start me on PT.  He opened my hinges all the way at 16 days, but my next appt, wasn't until 8 week post op.  my OS was shocked that at 8 weeks I could only bend about 35 degrees.  It was so bad, he didn't measure it.  I was scheduled for a manipulation under anesthesia (MUA) right away and then I had PT 3x a week.  I think you can bend to about 70 degrees after about 3 weeks.  I would suspect that your OS may feel you are a little too stiff and wants to get you going.  I would think that your PT will not be too bad unless your leg is completely straight.  I have read several posts where people started PT at 3 or 4 weeks with no hardware or surgery and they seemed to recover pretty quickly.  I was skeptical at first, but all I've seen post here have done fine.

My main advice would be to make sure your PT has worked with patella breaks, especially without hardware.  Patella breaks are uncommon and you will want someone who is experienced in working with them.  Your first appt will be an evaluation and then after that, they will work toward your Dr's goals for you.  Make sure to share your fears with your PT.  By the time you actually start PT you may be close to 6 weeks.  It takes time to get your first appt and then to start the actual PT sessions.  At least that is how it works in the US. How many a week are you prescribed? 

Hang in there!  If you are really uncomfortable make sure you tell your PT.  Sending healing rays your way!

Take Care,

RB
7/26/11-broke patella ORIF 2 scr, fig 8 wire, FWB, fract elbow: pl w/10 scr
8/3/11-Leg IM brace, arm cast
8/11/11-hinges fully on brace, cast rem arm
9/15/11-7wk ckup, ROM 35
9/26/11-MUA knee and elbow, 3 screws rem elbow
10/20/11-ROM 99 able to drive
12/1/11-ROM 145 rel from PT

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Re: Starting PT this week... 4 weeks after fall
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2012, 02:28:25 AM »
Hi there,

Hope your PT goes well.  I have had 4 surgeries in the last 5 years and have always had therapists that pushed me to my limits but respected my limits.  I think that the advice from Rollerblade to have someone who has worked with your injury before is extremely important.  You have to wear that knee for the rest of your life, so you need to do everything possible to heal as perfectly as you can.  Since your parents were in the appointment, you are one of the younger ones here.  Learn from the experiences of others and remember to take this one thing at a time.  There are many here who rushed back to their sports or activities too soon and paid for it in pain.

Expect to have swelling after you PT and be sure you go home and ice right away.  The exercises you will get are easy to do but may be uncomfortable.  Notice I said uncomfortable, not excruciating.  If you find your pain level getting to bad, tell your therapist and take smaller steps forward.  When my therapist wanted to have me use 2 lb. weights on straight leg lifts after a couple of sessions, it caused me to swell and really hurt.  I dialed back to just 1/2 lb. for a few days, then 1, then finally 2.  If you are asked to do something that is too difficult, break it down-don't just refuse to do it.  And if you have to do your exercises twice a day do them exactly as ordered.  Your PT wants you to heal right on schedule with full range of motion and you won't if you don't do your part.

Good luck and good healing :)

Linda



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Re: Starting PT this week... 4 weeks after fall
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 04:42:08 AM »
Hey Irish-  how about an update?  I'm curious how PT is going for you?

I hope all is well!  Take Care,

RB
7/26/11-broke patella ORIF 2 scr, fig 8 wire, FWB, fract elbow: pl w/10 scr
8/3/11-Leg IM brace, arm cast
8/11/11-hinges fully on brace, cast rem arm
9/15/11-7wk ckup, ROM 35
9/26/11-MUA knee and elbow, 3 screws rem elbow
10/20/11-ROM 99 able to drive
12/1/11-ROM 145 rel from PT

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Re: Starting PT this week... 4 weeks after fall
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2012, 05:20:15 AM »
Thank you both for all your help! I did take your advice and went to a PT that knows about patella fractures. Tomorrow is my fourth appointment.

I started PT four weeks after falling. Dr just told me to start going to PT and that I can bend my knee.  Sorry if I come off paranoid here but I am a bit confused.

 I was approved to go to PT by workers comp and they sent my paperwork into the PT.   So, I show up at my PT and they ask for the doctors report and the PT wants to see the lastest x-rays. I thought my paperwork was there and they say no, just the number of visits.The PT asked me if the doctor wants me to start putting weight on my leg. Not sure at all.  The person at the PT's office is finally able to get my first two reports from the doctor. Still, no instuctions from the doctor and not the most recent report. I went to the PT for the third visit on Tuesday of this week and he still doesn't have the doctors report.

I trust the PT, but I feel like we are doing this blindly. I worry when I have pain especially.  First visit, the PT had me lower my knee to the ground. I've done the exersizes and he's doing all sorts of massages and such to my leg. He wants me to dangle it straight down off a chair. :/. I HOPE this is what the doctor ordered.

There's stiffness of course and pain here and there, but I am more worried mentally about the lack of communication between the doctor and PT.  I go see both tomorrow, so wish me luck.

When I was at my doctor for the last time two weeks ago, he said I needed a brace for my knee and workers comp would need to approve it and it would be mailed or someone can pick it up.  I don't hear from them so while at the PT on Tuesday I call the dr office and ask that they mail the brace with the X-rays or I can have someone pick them up.  No response.

It takes 2 ppl to get me to PT on Tuesday and Thursday.  Did not get any response Wednesday when I called again and Thursday the doctor was out of the office. I called workers comp on Thursday and was told the brace was approved on Monday. They were angry I didn't have it all week.

After many phone calls on Thursday, I get a call at 4:45 that the brace is ready and I could pick it up the next day I call Friday morning to say my mom will pick it up. I'm told no, I have to be custom fitted and need to go in myself. Of course I couldn't go Friday and had to wait until this week.

I will feel better tomorrow if all is okay after the X-ray. I know I will feel a lot better in PT once he has the report and orders from my Dr. :/

I can do a lot of exersizes and wasnt in too much pain until the dangling of the leg. Ouch.  I am okay though. I do have a hard time bending my leg while laying down. I am supposed to push into the bed with my heel and bend my knee. That is hard.


I AM able to bend my knee completely down when sitting in a chair so that's great.  I know the stiffness hurts, but is it normal to have pain a little in the kneecap area? The knee is more sore after pt.  That mainly started the last few days from the massage and dangling.  Tomorrow is six weeks after my fall so I am not too worried. 


Thank you again for your help.


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Re: Starting PT this week... 4 weeks after fall
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2012, 03:55:22 PM »
Hey Irish
Just saw your posts and sounded a bit familiar, but a different approach from my ortho doc and PT doc. I'm a 55 year old male in good shape. I bike (formerly competitively), run as much as my arthritic kees will allow and play hockey in men's legue 1-2 times/week. I fractured my patella in two pieces on 7/02. I was playing hockey and took a wicked slap shot off my knee. Although I was wearing shinguards with knee protection, the force and thrust of the shot did it's damage.

I went to the ER the next morning and x-rays revealed the fracture. Because it was a holiday week (4th of July US) I did not get in to see the ortho doc until 7/06, meanwhile I cruthed around with a stright leg brace from the hospital. The ortho doc is a sports medicine guy. He said the good news was the fracture was non-diplaced and pieces were 2mm apart, so no surgery (he didn't give me a choice). He told me he wanted to take an aggresive approach, but first wanted to fit me for a hinged brace and see me back in 7-10 days to keep the leg straight a bit longer to let the bone start to fuse back together. Next visit (2 weeks from injury), he x-rayed and said the bone pieces had started to "stick." I could lose the crutches and walk unsupported, as long as I was in the leg brace. He also wanted me to start PT asap. He said he planned for me to rehab through PT while the bone was healing and predicted PT and healing would be complete in 8 wks from injury date.

I started PT yesterday (just 16 days after the injury). The PT doc put me through the same exercises and stretches as you, plus several more. The ortho doc ordered that he did not want me to bend the knee past 90 degrees. After my PT session, I was at 78 degrees. He gave me a list of 6 exercices to do, 4 times a day, which I started last night. This morning, after I did the first set of exercises I was able to acieve 90 degrees. There is definitely pain involved, on and around the patella, especially when I do the stretches. The rule of thumb I was given is that as long as the pain subsides when you relax the knee back into a straight position, everything is OK.

I hope you can trust your PT doc because he/she is the key to your successful recovery.






















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Re: Starting PT this week... 4 weeks after fall
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2012, 04:42:45 AM »
Irish-  my OS wrote me a PT perscription that I took to the PT.  plus, the OS sent over some notes.  The PT even called the OS for some clarification.  My perscription was for agressive ROM :/ and the OS told me to take my pain meds before I went. they didn't really help. It was torture.  But I liked my PT, she had a great personality and I tried to laugh as much as I could.  She pushed my leg to bend and yes it hurt.  I had a lot of scar tissue.  My X-rays showed my break was healed before I started PT.

The dangling of the leg seems normal and is a good way to gain ROM with a minimal amount of pushing.  I would put my other foot on top of my bad leg's foot and push down on my leg because my leg just stuck out there.  Are you saying that your leg will bend down and your foot will touch the floor when you are sitting in a chair?  That seems very good.  The heel slides on the bed are a good exercise. 

It's too bad you OS wasn't clearer on the Perscription....  A good PT wants to follow the OS.  Mine would not do strength training until it was approved by my OS and that was at the end.

Welcome Hockey!  I've seen a couple of people post similar agressive treatments as yours and I freaked out at the first one I saw who was starting PT very early with no hardware to hold together, but so far so good.  I think they had quick recoveries and posted here a couple of times and were gone.  It would be good if they would come back and post an update as to how they are doing.

Thanks for the updates!  Irish-  good luck with you appts.  It's frustrating to have to depend on others to get everywhere.  I went to PT 3x a week for almost 12 weeks and couldn't drive for 4 of those weeks.  I actually paid an aquaintance to take me 2x week and a friend took me the other day. 

Take Care and keep us posted!  Hopefully X-rays will show you are healed or very close.
7/26/11-broke patella ORIF 2 scr, fig 8 wire, FWB, fract elbow: pl w/10 scr
8/3/11-Leg IM brace, arm cast
8/11/11-hinges fully on brace, cast rem arm
9/15/11-7wk ckup, ROM 35
9/26/11-MUA knee and elbow, 3 screws rem elbow
10/20/11-ROM 99 able to drive
12/1/11-ROM 145 rel from PT

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Re: Starting PT this week... 4 weeks after fall
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2012, 01:27:44 PM »
Roller: My OS did the same with a detailed PT order for the PT doc to follow. The main restriction is the knee is not to bend beyond 90 degrees until I am x-rayed again at my next OS appt on 8/06. Your advice to Irish is spot on. One thing I would add is to make sure your leg is completely relaxed when you begin dangling it. If your thigh muscles flex, which is an involuntary reflex when pain is involved, you will be fighting the muscle resistance, and will not be able to achieve the resting ROM because you are actually increasing the pain level. After you've relaxed the muscles and feel you are dangling at your resting ROM, then slowly bring the leg back, or use the other foot on top to assist.

Another great ROM stretch is to lay flat on your back with legs out stretched. Use a 6-8 ft rope or similar and loop around the foot of your affected leg while holding the two ends. Slowly raise your knee by sliding your heel toward your butt, while using the rope to assist you by pulling your foot toward you. If you have pain, relax your muscles and just use the rope to raise your knee. When you reach your limit, hold for 3 seconds. I do 20 reps 4 x a day.

I'm fortunate I'm in good shape and have pretty good muscle mass in my legs. My OS is one of the OS's of our NHL team here, so he is basically giving me the same aggressive treatment he'd give one of the players, although it concerns me a bit that I'm about 30 years older than those guys. My PT works with college athletes, so he is also familiar with the aggrssive treatment. I'll keep you updated on how things go.

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Re: Starting PT this week... 4 weeks after fall
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2012, 07:12:04 AM »
Wow!! Thank you both for responding. I am feeling much better.  I know that I do trust my doctor and PT.

I was in so much pain after dangling because I didn't know I was supposed to relax my leg and so the muscles in my thigh hurt so bad on Thursday. But, I still went to PT and the doctor. The knee didn't hurt but my thigh was so painful.

I could tell a huge difference in the new x-ray. The bone is "filling in" well and the doctor said I am doing great.  He said I have "no restrictions" for PT and that I can return to work. Not sure about that on a walker. I may wait to get a bit stronger.

I feel a lot more relaxed and understand that it's normal to have pain, even in the knee cap area. I have to say I am lucky to not have to have surgery. I'll keep you all posted and comment to others on here going though the same thing.

Thank you!!!


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Re: Starting PT this week... 4 weeks after fall
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2012, 05:48:39 AM »
Hello all!  I am beginning my 4th week of PT, session six. So far it's going good. Doctor recommended 12 sessions, but I may need more. Not sure if I'll be that much better in 3 weeks. I hope so though.

I am posting because I wanted to ask about something I don't see mentioned here. Have any of you used an h-Wave type machine? H-wave.com ....  It's like a TENS unit. I used something like it at PT, but they sent me one home to test for 30 days. I guess if it works, I can keep it. It's a little rough and I know it's for pain, but I only have pain when trying to get my knee to go back. I hope it works. Just a wondered if anyone else used something like that.

I can bend my leg a little further than just sitting in a chair, but it hurts so much beyond that point. I had no MRI, so I guess that worries me a bit. I don't mind the pulling feeling, it's just I get worried when there's actually pain.  I will be okay though.

One last this and sorry if this sounds dumb.....

I've read a number of posts here were people are having problems months, years after an accident and being treated. I fell at work and am being covered by workers comp. I worry that when I am up walking, they will want me to sign that I am okay. Has anyone gone though workers comp?

My BOSS told me she fell in a store years ago, settled with them, but she wish she didn't because she was in pain for two years.  So of course, now I don't want to sign off too early.  Thoughts??? 

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Re: Starting PT this week... 4 weeks after fall
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2012, 01:32:46 PM »
Hey Irish
My PT office uses the TENS device. I asked about the h-wave and she told me is it was a very similar device that produced a different type of electrical wave that some believe produces better results. It is similar in that it acts to block pain to help increase range of motion. I have been offered the use of the TENS unit, but have not tried it, as I'd actually rather feel the pain and forcre myself to work through it. However, it sounds like you're level of pain is much higher than mine, so it may be very effective for you.

I'm not sure what your PT routine is at the therapist or at at home, but I make sure my knee and thigh/calf muscles are warmed up and stretched prior to working on ROM. I'll do a few reps of stretches and strength exercises, then slowly work in ROM. When I'm fully warmed up I lay on my back and using a rope looped around my foot I'll pull the heel back as far as I can (2 sets of 25 reps). The difference in doing this cold and doing it warmed up is about a 10 degree increase when warmed up, and considerably less pain. You can experiment doing it cold and warmed up and see the difference. Hope this helps a bit.