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Offline MoLu

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What would you do?
« on: April 24, 2012, 03:38:34 AM »
Hi All-
It's been awhile but I check in frequently to see what you are all up to.  Unfortunately I find myself in another delima and would like to have your opinion on what I should do.  I have synovial chondromatosis in my knee and have had multiple surgeries thru the years ending in a TKR about 3 1/2 years ago.  Ever since I have been dx'd with SC it has been one thing after another.  Now I find myself again looking at a possible surgery.  So here is my dilema.  My knee has never felt good after all the work done on it and I had pretty much given up and was learning to live with it as best I could.  But I was always saying something is not right but could not put a finger on it.  Well finally my symptoms have progressed enough to get a dx I'm pretty confident is my problem.  I still have three sizable hunks of SC left in my knee but one in particular is sitting right next to my peroneal nerve.  My foot feels like it is going to sleep, tingling in my calf, ache around my ankle, tingling behind my knee and between my big toe and the next.  Started out these symptoms were on occassion but now it is getting so it is most of the time.  So went back to OS who did my first surgery.  I had gone back to him after my TKR thru the past 3 years complaining of my knee.  Tendon was snapping over something behind my knee and always painful so I would complain to him each year.  I needed a doctor who would oversee my case and who had been there from the 1st dx.  I like him and he knows me well.  So we agreed  it was time for an EMG to see what was happening now that my symptoms were more pronounced.  Thru the years I had had 3 EMG and it showed nothing.  Now it is saying that I have peroneal involvement.  Since it is now affecting my nerve we ran further tests.  Ultrasound showing multiple peices of SC, then onto a MRI showing the one hunk right next to peroneal nerve but no degeneration of my muscles.  Now I've started having a pain in my butt/piriformis so we followed up with a MRI of my back also to rule that out.  I have DDD and a moderate stenosis but OS and a spinal OS both agreed these nerve symptoms are not coming from the back.  So OS sent me on to my Ortho Oncologist who did my last synovectomy.  Both OS's feel I can not ignore it anymore and the piece should be removed.  OO says to not jump into any surgery.  He said it would be another open posterior and it would be very difficult and risky procedure.  OS feels if it is not taken care the nerve could shut down and I would have foot drop.  OO warns that surgery could also cause foot drop and the TKR complicates the procedure.  I asked my spinal OS how do I make this decision?  If I have surgery and it causes foot drop I would be so mad.  He said but how do we sit by and watch you degenerate and not do something.  At least I would have a fighting chance at recovering.  Finacially this could be devasting also to me.  I work full time.  Husband has been LO and I am on COBRA.  My job does not have any insurance nor disability.  I have to work but my time is limited also to have insurance cover this.  This decision has been eating me up inside.  I so do not want another surgery.  Each one I had I thought it would be the last.  It just keeps on going and going.  OO says there is no way to know if the nerve will shut down.  If it does I most likely will not recover from it.  So what would you do if you were me?
Sorry this so long.  I needed to tell my story and if you stuck thru this all God Bless you!
Martha
Synovial Chondromatosis
9/16/05 Frontal synovectomy and tumor removal
10/26/05 Posterior open knee surgery and synovectomy with tumor removal
3/8/06 Disease is back
4/26/06 Frontal arthoscopic synovectomy and posterior open knee synovectomy
6/23/06 Disease is back
7/24/07 Synvisc
10/23/08 TKR

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 09:51:18 PM »
Dear MoLu,

You really are in a pickle!  You have my complete sympathy on making such a difficult decision.  How long do you still have on your cobra?  Is this a decision you have to make immediately or do you have a little room for mulling it over? Which of the doctors would do the surgery if you had it?

It sounds to me that the nerve issues are getting to the point you want them dealt with, but don't want to take too big a risk.  Speaking as one who has mild numbness in both feet, once it has been there a while it doesn't get better.  If you talk with the neurologist who ran your tests they might be able to tell you how fast this is likely to progress and what your risks are if you delay surgery.  Sometimes there is a window of opportunity on these things for a best recovery. Hopefully your neurologist will be the neutral party who helps you sort things out.

As for the piriformis- I have had the piriformis and as a result my whole butt in spasms for weeks multiple times.  I have found that my chiropractor has helped and so has regular use of a hot rice pack to loosen the muscles at home.  Make it as hot as you can stand and keep it on as long as it is warm.  When it is bad I do this watching tv and sit on the pack, then repeat.  Hope it helps.

For myself, I think I would err on the side of informed hope if I made this decision.  If things continue to get worse, the foot drop is a very strong possibility.  While it is possible with surgery, it is at least to two of your doctors less risk than doing nothing.  Hit every website, talk to everyone you know, learn from this website (but remember this is highly skewed to people who had problems), ask all your questions, then pray about it.

God bless you as you make your decision, and let us know how things go.

Linda
 

>20 yrs. osteo and inflammatory arthritis, fibromyalgia
meniscus repair Sept. 2009
right PKR June 2010
left PKR Feb. 2012

Offline MoLu

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2012, 03:38:33 AM »
Hello Linda-
I do have COBRA until May 2013 so I do have some time.  But this whole process started last Aug and has dragged on thru tests and scans and multiple dr's appts.  This decision has been just dragging me down.  I am trying very hard to be very informed before another surgery.  I'm very afraid another surgery will do more harm than good.  I would go back to the OO for the procedure.  My OS said there is no way he would touch it.  He said it was time to go back to my OO and let him know what was going on.  I know I need a specialist now and he did my last surgery so he is familiar with me.

My next appt is with my internist to get his opinion.  I want to talk with someone who is not a surgeon  I have just spent a month at PT trying to work out some of the other problems and to see if I did have any impaired motor skills.  I do have some but minimal.  My therapist said it too sounds like I have run out of options.  He also suggested to go back to the neurologist who gave me the EMG and to get his opinion just like you suggest.  I think I will follow up with that.  After all their opinions it will come time to make this decision.

Thanks for the tips on the piriformis.  I have some stretches to do but they sometimes irritate my nerve.  Your suggestion of the hot rice pack is a good idea and I will try that too.

Thanks for talking with me.
Martha
Synovial Chondromatosis
9/16/05 Frontal synovectomy and tumor removal
10/26/05 Posterior open knee surgery and synovectomy with tumor removal
3/8/06 Disease is back
4/26/06 Frontal arthoscopic synovectomy and posterior open knee synovectomy
6/23/06 Disease is back
7/24/07 Synvisc
10/23/08 TKR

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Re: What would you do?
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2012, 08:37:01 PM »
Molu,

I am sorry to hear of the situation you are in.  Ultimately, you must make the decision which is right for you and feel most confident in.  To go into any surgery it is a tremendous help to have a positive outlook on your recovery. As everyone has said, be proactive, gather any questions you have regarding surgery vs no surgery, recovery time, Pt time, and of course what are the possibilities of  complications of choosing either.  It seems you have done this, but going over everything again and bringing someone with you to catch the little things you might not, may help.  All in all it sounds like you may have these things already, unfortunately bringing you to just making the decision on what to do. You may not be happy with the decision you have to make but be comfortable with it.  Sending my support and prayers that everything works out.