Would people please post cost of their particular Regenexx procedure?

[Scooter72]

Anyone know the average cost of Regenexx-SD? 

Unfortunately, my mfx surgery from back in July of 2009 is pretty much "done for", in that it is difficult for me to do certain activities such as ascending stairs without some level of pain, and playing soccer (which is something I really love) has become more of a chore than fun due to the pain.

Now, I am not sure what Dr. Centeno would recommend, since I have yet to even get a consult.  I was not even planning on doing this until this summer at the earliest, but the pain and incovenience has become too much of a problem.  (I shouldn't dread going up a flight of stairs)   However, I have kept up with all of the articles on the Regenexx blog, and looked up all of the relavent (knee cases) on Youtube.   I have a good idea that he would recommend multiple SD procedures, maybe coupled with another therapy to re-attain muscular balance, and/or the SD in conjunction with another mfx surgery.  (I really REALLY hope I don't have to undergo another mfx)

[PA6-5000]

Scooter, huge favor to ask:  can you point me to the blog you speak of, and YouTube vid's?  I'm also curious of your situation.  In my case, severe chondromalacia from running overuse.  Lacerations under each knee cap (bone on bone).  I have all of your same challenges.  I'm young and active, and super frustrated. 

All: I, too, am interested in knowing cost of this procedure.  I recalled hearing $10K at one point.  Has this changed? 

[Scooter72]

Scooter, huge favor to ask:  can you point me to the blog you speak of, and YouTube vid's?  I'm also curious of your situation.  In my case, severe chondromalacia from running overuse.  Lacerations under each knee cap (bone on bone).  I have all of your same challenges.  I'm young and active, and super frustrated. 

All: I, too, am interested in knowing cost of this procedure.  I recalled hearing $10K at one point.  Has this changed? 

Sure thing.  Just go to www.regenexx.com and click on the "blog" radio button at the top of the screen.

As for youtube vids? Just do a search for "regenexx" on youtube and you will come up with vids.  However, here is one relavent vid about a knee patient, albeit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFNkP7seHsI

Am not sure about the cost,now that the FDA has stopped Dr.Centeno from culturing cells.  However, I believe that each SD procedure is about 4k. 

To "get up-to-speed", I would definitely go to the site and read up.

[NatNat]

Scooter, I beleive Regenexx now has several regenexx treatments to offer so they have a fee range depending on what the protocol the doctor recommends for each patient. I was told it is between $1200 and $6000 per treatment.

[Scooter72]

Scooter, I beleive Regenexx now has several regenexx treatments to offer so they have a fee range depending on what the protocol the doctor recommends for each patient. I was told it is between $1200 and $6000 per treatment.

Thanks for the info, NatNat!  Looks as if it can be expensive, but at some point, you have to put quality of life ahead of potential debt.

[bvon]

I saw these guys back in September of last year pre-FDA smack down and was quoted the usual 6K plus or so per knee. I'd have to dig out the paper work to say for sure. What these guys never mentioned during my consult was the pending FDA situation. They actually said I'd be a great candidate without even looking at the MRI's I had brought in. Had I gone through with it, my expensive stem cells would have been under house arrest cryogenically and legally unavailable. I've asked around about the Centeno-Shultz operation and from several reputable orthopedic sources, I obviously don't want to mention who, the consensus seems to be the science is sound, the execution is questionable. I can't attest to the efficacy or lack there of of the procedure. What I can say is good for them for pushing the science envelope but my feeling after consulting with them is they are first and foremost brilliant marketers looking to take your money in lieu of getting funding for an FDA study. Yes FDA can hold back medicine. I agree but if Centeno-Shultz had such an interest in pushing the envelope, how about some skin in the game themselves rather than just an over-willingness to take your money and try out their methodology. Good luck but caveat celltor - let the stem cell buyer beware.  If any of you proceed or have I'd love to hear your outcomes. I've been traveling the PRP route with little success thus far.

[Scooter72]

I saw these guys back in September of last year pre-FDA smack down and was quoted the usual 6K plus or so per knee. I'd have to dig out the paper work to say for sure. What these guys never mentioned during my consult was the pending FDA situation. They actually said I'd be a great candidate without even looking at the MRI's I had brought in. Had I gone through with it, my expensive stem cells would have been under house arrest cryogenically and legally unavailable. I've asked around about the Centeno-Shultz operation and from several reputable orthopedic sources, I obviously don't want to mention who, the consensus seems to be the science is sound, the execution is questionable. I can't attest to the efficacy or lack there of of the procedure. What I can say is good for them for pushing the science envelope but my feeling after consulting with them is they are first and foremost brilliant marketers looking to take your money in lieu of getting funding for an FDA study. Yes FDA can hold back medicine. I agree but if Centeno-Shultz had such an interest in pushing the envelope, how about some skin in the game themselves rather than just an over-willingness to take your money and try out their methodology. Good luck but caveat celltor - let the stem cell buyer beware.  If any of you proceed or have I'd love to hear your outcomes. I've been traveling the PRP route with little success thus far.

Interesting.. in my opinion, your post is negative (despite trying to sound impartial), and unfortunately, is not backed up by anything other than your legal opinion.  Very interesting.

First of all, you say they didn't even look at the MRIs you had?  Are you serious?  Because I've made initial contact with them recently, and they told me that without a recent MRI, they would not even allow me the initial consult, much less an actual appointment to be seen! 


As for your "orthopedic" sources.. my ortho was/is skeptical about the process as well. A different ortho whom I am friends with was they same way.  My guess is that most orthopaedic surgeons are going to be negative about this procedure, as expected.  It's new. It's not taught as a mainstream procedure.

Further, I don't understand how anyone can be so doubtful of the Centeno-Schulz operation, after having been to their website and looked at their transparency.  You call all those case studies and journal article discussions "slick marketing"?  Really?  What is your scientific background?

[The KNEEguru]

Hi
It is good to hear different opinions and experiences, but please do lot let this discussion deteriorate into a fracas.
KNEEguru

[mccartjt]

BVON

As to your statement "how about some skin in the game themselves rather than just an over-willingness to take your money and try out their methodology" I will tell you this the clinic has probably over $1million invested in their own lab facilities.
To most people that is for an individual "Skin in the game" Your personal commitment with them for a procedure is less than $10,000.

 Prior to getting stopped producing "Regenexx Cultured stem cells" by the FDA the clinic had to invest this money first to be able to get to the point to upset the FDA! The facts are that there isn't so much as any restraint given to surgeons to do arthroscopies yet clinical published studies have shown that a great number of knee arthroscopies are ineffectual and are a complete waste of time & money.  The Regenexx cultured stem cells are now available overseas in China and South America via their partners licenced facilities. We both can agrees that pushing the envelope has helped doctors & patients over the years.

The FDA & large multinational drug companies have a particular bias (there is big $$$ earned thru drug sales) that have actually killed folks with bad medications like VIOXX  and Celebrex for "ARTHRITIS" as well as many other drugs. Yet so far as I know, deaths haven't  happened yet with Dr Centeno and his team.

Just telling the truth...

JM

[Scooter72]

Hallelujah.  Thanks mccartjt for elaborating a spot-on response.

[gb]

Scooter72,

I began SD procedures in November, followed by a second procedure in February. The rates did increase in 2011, by about a $1000 for SD, but patients who began treatment BEFORE 2011 are grandfathered in at the old rate for up to 3 SD precedures. At least thats how it is applied to me.

Good luck with your treatments, I also have grade 2 chondromalacia of the patella with OA (grade4) of the lateral femoral condyles.

So you and I have very similar problems. I also have a lateral meniscus squeezed out of the joint, which regenexx addressed with a fat graft to hold the meniscus in place. i wrote about it in another thread.

For me and a lot of people, pain originates from ligament laxity, i had 13 prolo treatments with Hauser to address that. and a lot fo the pain went away. however, regenexx is at a whole different level than Hauser and other prolotherapist. For one, regenexx has a level 3 lab in their clinic, cell biologist processing stem cells and using image guided injections into ligaments, tendons and hip for marrow draws.

anyhow, good luck with your treatment.

gb

gb

[jonhark]

So Scooter72, which one are you? Centeno or Schultz? HaahahHa!!!!

[Scooter72]

Hey GB! Thanks for the commentary.  Yes, you and I do have similar problems.  I'll be sure to post a new thread, once my treatment begins on April 28th. Unfortunately, I am not grandfathered in, and am thus going to pay the new rate (which is significantly more), but I have to do this.  Hopefully, I notice a comfortable difference some weeks after the initial treatment. 

I'll look up your other thread.  In the meantime, keep in touch!

[markld]

I was going to ask him the same thing....... He must have a lot of time on his hands considering how often he posts here.....

[markld]

I bet Scooter is Schultz........