I found a prolo therapist 35 min away from my house who also does stem cell injections from fat as well as PRP. So I tried the fat stem cells out in my left. And I have been injecting testosterone into that knee as well. It has only been 5 weeks since the fat stem cell injection and today I got PRP injected into that knee. Tomorrow I will hit it with the testosterone.
Hey FlowrideHer name is Donna Alderman, http://www.prolotherapy.com/proloshaw.htm. She has one office in Nor Cal and one down south in Valencia. She has been doing prolo for about 20 years, knows Dr. Hauser quite well. I sent her the prolo articles regarding gh and test (I got them from Irentat). When I asked if she would consider incorporating gh or test in her practice she said she is always willing to add something provided there has been research or empirical evidence to warrant its use. She currently feels that PRP and stem cells have a stronger cell signaling ability because they are our own cells and that the test and gh would not have that ability. But I think I read somewhere that they in fact might have some cell signalling function.The version of fat stem cell protocol that she uses is to take out about 1 tablespoon of fat, let it decant, then mix it with the prp. Then she irritates the area of concern with a needle and procaine, followed by injecting the fat prp mixture. I had a fat derived stem cell treatment back in Dec of 2010 from David Steenblock (http://www.prolotherapy.com/proloshaw.htm). This was much different. I am lean to begin with so I had to drink 2 pints of cream a day to gain about 25 lbs so they would have something to extract. They got 40cc of fat, but hoped for 60cc. This got processed and the finished product was mixed with prp. I didn't get any change from that treatment. If you read the Regenexx site they feel the bone marrow derived stem cells are the best suited for morphing into cartilage and that it is not all about the number of cells you inject. The practitioners who support the fat derived stem cell procedures do so because fat is supposed to have many more stem cells. Google Timothy Peace, Terry Grossman.The cost of the fat stem cell + prp was 3000. Regenexx is about 6-8K. When I did Regenexx I had to be in Colorado for 8 days. So driving only 35 minutes and not having hotel/plane expenses made me want to give it a try. When I did just the prp yesterday that was 885. She also uses ultra sound guidance. If you go to see her find out when Randy is there. He is an MD friend of hers that helps her out with the ultra sound. He is a whiz with the ultrasound. He gets the right view and she injects. I considered that combo to be a bonus.You would probably be better learning to inject your own testosterone. It will be much much cheaper. The growth hormone is pretty expensive so on Irentat's advice I went with the test. Get some good anatomy books too. I use a 22 gauge needle to prevent clogging. If you mix a little methylcobolamin (vit b-12) with the test in the syringe it reduces the viscosity. I am sure if someone were to offer classes in how to inject you own knee there would be many people from this site that would sign up.BryanI though I would give Dr. Alderman's approach a shot. Only time will tell.