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Re: Interesting article on HGH for knee cartilage regrowth
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2012, 02:14:41 PM »
Thanks Rob for replying.

Do you think the 3 shots of cortisone within 9 month period could have given the appearance at the time of the surgery as soft cartilage and could possibly be temporary?? 

I feel like since I have cartilage still, maybe there is a less costly approach than stem cells?  Thoughts? 

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Re: Interesting article on HGH for knee cartilage regrowth
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2013, 05:27:43 AM »
Bump.  Honeybrunch do you have contact information (i.e. an e-mail for questions?).  I am looking into this procedure.

Thanks!!!
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Re: Interesting article on HGH for knee cartilage regrowth
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2013, 09:38:10 PM »
Chronic anterior knee pain // chondromalacia patella // patella femoral pain

History: Let me begin with some backround. I am 23 years old male currently living in Canada.  I have had anterior knee pain in my right knee for over 6 years. It started when I played soccer, and it just got worse. My IT bands, quads, and hip flexors are really tight. Nothing seems to really loosen them. I have tried physiotherapy from multiple physiotherapists, ART, trigger point dry needling, acupuncture, massage therapy, foam rolling (lacross ball, PVC pipe, rumble roller), suction cupping, strengthing glute medius and maximus, VMO strengthening, orthotics, prolozone, joint supplements, heel wedge for leg length discrepency (my right leg is 1 cm shorter). I dont do any physical activity besides physiotherapy. My pain is at a constant 5/10, sometimes its lower, but sometimes like in rainy days or cold days its even higher. Basically all the physiotherapists are perplexed at my issue and they say that I should not be feeling so much pain. They think my overall mobility and flexibility isn't that bad. But when they massage they notice that my soft tissue is really tight with lots of "junk" or adhesive knots.

Joint supplements:
1) NEM - natural egg shell membrane (500mg)
2) pycnogenol (100mg)
3) fish oil (2000mg)
4) krill oil (500mg)
5) curcumin (500mg)
Note: They dont seem to have helped much. I am thinking of replacing my curcumin with Thorne Meriva (a high potency curcumin, with 20x more absorption) based on all the good reviews. Someone even said its worked better than cortisone shots. I have also tried MSM and type 2 collagen from fortigel.

Diagnostic imaging done:
1) X-ray - showed nothing abnormal besides patella tilt
2) ultrasound - showed mild inflammation in my right knee, nothing serious
3) MRI - getting it done in January

Previous treatments:
1) Physiotherapists - looked at mobility, muscular imbalances, glute medius, glute maxmus, VMO strengthening, stretching, self myofascial release, foam rolling, suction cupping, ART, massage therapy, orthotics, gait analyses, heel wedge for leg length discrepency, trigger point dry needling, acupuncture, postural work, went to Fowler and Kennedy sports medicine clinic in London Ontario, and many other places

2) Dr Robert Banner (London ON) - 6 treatments of Prolozone injections, once every month so far. Only noticed temporary relief of pain, maybe for 2 weeks after each injection. He has recommended EMF (electromagnetic field) protective devices such as diodes. He says it may help since my symptoms are worse on rainy days
Prolozone solution includes: ozone, dextrose, vit b12, procaine

Possible Future treatments:
1) Botox (Dr. Gordon Ko in Markham) - into the vastus lateralis (any maybe hip flexor). This has shown to be effective in some recent studies for patients with refractory anterior knee pain. The idea is you shut down the vastus lateralis for 3 months, and you continue to do physiotherapy, this gives you a window of time for selectively strengthening and isolating the VMO. This will help with tracking and tilt issues, and can give symptomatic relief of muscle tightness during the 3 months. Its good for addressing muscular balance issues. Dr. Gordon Ko also does PRP, prolotherapy, hyaluronic acid, and botox into the joint.

2) HGH or testosterone or IGF-1(self injection) - have read this has helped some people on this forum. Particularly Irentat. I am looking into injecting into my own knee to save thousands of dollars. This can help regenerate possible cartilage damage I might have.

3) Dr. Anthony Galea (Etobicoke/Toronto) - he is a prominent sports medicine physician infamous for treating athletes and giving them HGH. Don't know what kind of treatment he would give me. I know he does PRP, but I dont know if he can give HGH anymore since its illegal here in Canada and hes gotten in trouble for that.

If anyone can provide any help on what I can do to help my case, It would be greatly appreciated. I feel like I almost tried everything, and I have gotten almost no relief in knee pain. The only thing that has improved is my muscle tightness, and IT band tightness, but even this might be temporary, as I work my IT bands and muscles every day, and see someone every week for them to be massaged or released.

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Re: Interesting article on HGH for knee cartilage regrowth
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2013, 09:05:57 PM »
Chronic anterior knee pain // chondromalacia patella // patella femoral pain

History: Let me begin with some backround. I am 23 years old male currently living in Canada.  I have had anterior knee pain in my right knee for over 6 years. It started when I played soccer, and it just got worse. My IT bands, quads, and hip flexors are really tight. Nothing seems to really loosen them. I have tried physiotherapy from multiple physiotherapists, ART, trigger point dry needling, acupuncture, massage therapy, foam rolling (lacross ball, PVC pipe, rumble roller), suction cupping, strengthing glute medius and maximus, VMO strengthening, orthotics, prolozone, joint supplements, heel wedge for leg length discrepency (my right leg is 1 cm shorter). I dont do any physical activity besides physiotherapy. My pain is at a constant 5/10, sometimes its lower, but sometimes like in rainy days or cold days its even higher. Basically all the physiotherapists are perplexed at my issue and they say that I should not be feeling so much pain. They think my overall mobility and flexibility isn't that bad. But when they massage they notice that my soft tissue is really tight with lots of "junk" or adhesive knots.

Joint supplements:
1) NEM - natural egg shell membrane (500mg)
2) pycnogenol (100mg)
3) fish oil (2000mg)
4) krill oil (500mg)
5) curcumin (500mg)
Note: They dont seem to have helped much. I am thinking of replacing my curcumin with Thorne Meriva (a high potency curcumin, with 20x more absorption) based on all the good reviews. Someone even said its worked better than cortisone shots. I have also tried MSM and type 2 collagen from fortigel.

Diagnostic imaging done:
1) X-ray - showed nothing abnormal besides patella tilt
2) ultrasound - showed mild inflammation in my right knee, nothing serious
3) MRI - getting it done in January

Previous treatments:
1) Physiotherapists - looked at mobility, muscular imbalances, glute medius, glute maxmus, VMO strengthening, stretching, self myofascial release, foam rolling, suction cupping, ART, massage therapy, orthotics, gait analyses, heel wedge for leg length discrepency, trigger point dry needling, acupuncture, postural work, went to Fowler and Kennedy sports medicine clinic in London Ontario, and many other places

2) Dr Robert Banner (London ON) - 6 treatments of Prolozone injections, once every month so far. Only noticed temporary relief of pain, maybe for 2 weeks after each injection. He has recommended EMF (electromagnetic field) protective devices such as diodes. He says it may help since my symptoms are worse on rainy days
Prolozone solution includes: ozone, dextrose, vit b12, procaine

Possible Future treatments:
1) Botox (Dr. Gordon Ko in Markham) - into the vastus lateralis (any maybe hip flexor). This has shown to be effective in some recent studies for patients with refractory anterior knee pain. The idea is you shut down the vastus lateralis for 3 months, and you continue to do physiotherapy, this gives you a window of time for selectively strengthening and isolating the VMO. This will help with tracking and tilt issues, and can give symptomatic relief of muscle tightness during the 3 months. Its good for addressing muscular balance issues. Dr. Gordon Ko also does PRP, prolotherapy, hyaluronic acid, and botox into the joint.

2) HGH or testosterone or IGF-1(self injection) - have read this has helped some people on this forum. Particularly Irentat. I am looking into injecting into my own knee to save thousands of dollars. This can help regenerate possible cartilage damage I might have.

3) Dr. Anthony Galea (Etobicoke/Toronto) - he is a prominent sports medicine physician infamous for treating athletes and giving them HGH. Don't know what kind of treatment he would give me. I know he does PRP, but I dont know if he can give HGH anymore since its illegal here in Canada and hes gotten in trouble for that.

If anyone can provide any help on what I can do to help my case, It would be greatly appreciated. I feel like I almost tried everything, and I have gotten almost no relief in knee pain. The only thing that has improved is my muscle tightness, and IT band tightness, but even this might be temporary, as I work my IT bands and muscles every day, and see someone every week for them to be massaged or released.

Kefu, I can't send PM's yet. So, if you read this, shoot me a message. I have some experience with HGH so may be I could help you out a bit.

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Re: Interesting article on HGH for knee cartilage regrowth
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2014, 05:05:36 AM »
Irentat, I have seen your posts in some other threads and was wondering if I could ask you directly what exactly your protocol was and which side of the knee you injected into.. I have grade IV chondromalacia on the lateral femoral chondyle as well as continued knee pain on the medial side of my knee where I have had two partial medial meniscectomies. I am to the point where I am wanting to try testosterone injections into my knee to see if I can regrow that cartilage. I have had prolo/PRP with not much success and want to bypass stem cells as it seems most everyone has had limited success with that.
2009--Torn R acl, mcl, medial & lateral meniscus
June 2009-R knee Double partial meniscectomy
July 2012-R knee ACL recon. hamstring graft
Aug2013-R knee Grade IV Chondromalacia
L knee pain 3+ yrs

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Re: Interesting article on HGH for knee cartilage regrowth
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2014, 06:02:35 AM »
I believe he had an ankle issue not a knee issue. If your looking to self-inject be clear of the risks and side effects. You will must likely be needing to inject yourself over 100 times for it to have any significant effect. Testosterone is not the best thing that can be used, their are better bioactives. How much prolotherapy and PRP did you have? PRP in theory would work better than testosterone if you compare 1 injection of PRP to 1 injection of testosterone. So 20 PRP injection > 20 testosterone injections. The problem with 20 PRP injections is that its a s**t load of money. Thats why some people with cartilage damage have decided to do autologous blood injections which is free (although not researched for cartilage, and probably not as effective as the platelets aren't concentrated).

You are correct when you say stem cells have limited success. The price is expensive as hell and hasn't been effective. This is because over 90% of the stem cells die after injection. The remaining <10% either dont integrate well with your tissue, diffuse from the site of injury, or dont really do anything.

Message me if you want more detailed info on what are the best options in terms of regenerating cartilage.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2014, 06:08:20 AM by Kefu »

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Re: Interesting article on HGH for knee cartilage regrowth
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2014, 09:45:56 PM »
I just want to say that I previously locked a thread where the participants were advocating 'self injection' into the knee joint.

This is a professional medical site, and we do not want readers to get the impression that we support such a practice, particularly with respect to potential joint infection.

I have clicked the 'notify' button just to make sure that the discussion on self injection does not continue here. If it does, then I am sorry but I will lock the thread.
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Re: Interesting article on HGH for knee cartilage regrowth
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2014, 02:51:17 AM »
Kefu,
I have had one PRP injection w/prolo and am going to get another set of PRP injections into both knees this friday that I am able to have done through the VA because they are service connected and my ortho surgeon is able to administer these for free for me...Hopefully I am able to get multiple injections from him every 4-6 weeks and hopefully they begin to help..Do you have any experience with PRP?
 I dont have enough messages yet but will message you once I have enough posts..Thanks for the ideas on this.
2009--Torn R acl, mcl, medial & lateral meniscus
June 2009-R knee Double partial meniscectomy
July 2012-R knee ACL recon. hamstring graft
Aug2013-R knee Grade IV Chondromalacia
L knee pain 3+ yrs

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Re: Interesting article on HGH for knee cartilage regrowth
« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2014, 09:18:15 AM »
any doctors in the uk doing this procedure ?

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Re: Interesting article on HGH for knee cartilage regrowth
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2015, 11:30:58 AM »
Hi All,

I'm from South Africa and suffer with severe cartilage degeneartion (Bone on Bone) on both knees. I have had several op's over the years on both due to sport injuries etc, hence I have been advised that knee replacement's are in order.I am interested in The IAGH Regeneration that Dr Dunn offer's (however logistics are a problem for me at this stage as he is in Miami and I am in South Africa)

Both Rob's and Honeybunch comments below caught my eye in terms hereof. Do you know what the name of the Growth Hormone that was used for your procedure you had with Dr Dunn and what dosages etc.

If anyone can shed any information herein I would be much appreciated as I definetely want to keep away from Knee Replacements due to my age - (40YRS).

Many Thanks,

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Re: Interesting article on HGH for knee cartilage regrowth
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2017, 08:25:58 PM »
It seems Dr Dunn has retired from medicine due to health concerns .. does anyone know of any other doctor who is doing IAGH injections ?  I was a patient of Dr Dunns and IAGH was successful on my knee

 

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