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Offline zengirl

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Re: My Graft Was Done Wrong Originally
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2007, 10:46:01 AM »
Hello Zengirl,
How far post-op from your recent surgery are you? If it's more than about 2 weeks, the heat you are experiencing may be a warning sign.

Hi there. I am just over three weeks post op. My right knee (operated knee) is always hot compared to my left knee which is it's usual self: cold. My mother commented on it the other day: "ooh, you're knee's really hot. Feel it!" I was amazed.

Quote from: Jaci link=topic=34724.msg263037#msg263037
There is no way to know if the scar tissue your knee developed post-ACLr was because of the misplaced graft or the result of an immune system response. If you are having significant heat beyond a certain point, it could be that your body is having a strong reaction to your recent procedure.

I had significant heat for eight months after the previous surgery! I've still got it after this second. I find it normal now.  :-(

Quote from: Jaci link=topic=34724.msg263037#msg263037
Please take a look at Dr. Noyes tutorial on arthrofibrosis, he mentions the warning signs to be aware of.

Thank you.

The other thing is I don't have a bath, only a shower. I'd LOVE to have a bath but haven't for many many months. But after what you'vce said I guess I'm glad. (I shower by the way, before anyone makes a funny coment).

Quote from: Jaci link=topic=34724.msg263037#msg263037
Has your OS taken x-rays to look at the tunnel placement? It's mentioned in some of the articles on motion loss after ligament injury. I think it even has photos comparing what a properly placed graft should look like. At least it might answer that part of the puzzle for you.

Yes. Shall I try to scan it in a post it? I wonder if that would be interesting?

Quote from: Jaci link=topic=34724.msg263037#msg263037
I really do understand what it's like to feel like you've been betrayed by your OS, my knee issues had a similar beginning although it didn't involve a misplaced graft.

It's horrible isn't it? I feel angry at him.

Thanks for your reply.
Feb '03 Ladies badminton, bad fall, detached ACL
May '06 - ACL reconstruction & meniscus repair
Complications - swelling, pain, lack of flexion/extension, 50% graft failure
Jan '07 Arthoscopy, debride, removal of adhesions & 50% of graft
Attempting to rebuild muscles so can continue sport & life

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Re: My Graft Was Done Wrong Originally
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2007, 11:42:52 AM »
What are the implications of the tunnels being drilled in the wrong place? If you decide (as I think you should) to have a second ACLR, do you have to wait a certain time for the original bone tunnels to heal, so that redrilling is pefectly OK? Were you in a brace post op? Was your first OS on the NHS?

I would definately seek compensation. There's no way I would just lie down & accept this. You've got to go to war. I think you need to take stock, rest up, & be clinical in your decision. It's the rest of your life at stake. Look around & use your knowledge to seek the best available surgeon & one in which you have the utmost confidence. Bugger the cost, it's a small price to pay in the grand scheme of things. If you get it right, you'll forever thank yourself for doing it.

You'll not be short of help & support, that's for sure.

Wishing you the very best.

Alan
Right ACL & Meniscus Tear playing Tennis - July 5th 2004
NHS Arthroscopy - Jan 2005
Private MRI Scan - June 2006
Private ACLR (Hamstring Graft) - 3rd August 2006

Left Knee Medial Ligament & Meniscus Tear - 2012
X Rayed, Scanned, & surgery done!! Jan 2013

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Re: My Graft Was Done Wrong Originally
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2007, 01:41:23 AM »
Zen, I'm really sorry bout the news... Geez!!! I would love to join you and Nola if I had the time. I'm sure we'd all have a good laugh or two about the whole dreaded thing and how it affected us 40'ish (or close to) supermoms. Zen, I know your life has changed. I know how full of life you were and everything and I feel really crushed for you. I know you'll be back again in time, but I wish it could be now. Well, we are here for you every step of the way.
Terrible Triad - 1/16/06 - Basketball
3/15/06 - Scope/Cleanout of to achieve full ROM
5/3/06 - Surgery-ACL Reconstruction-Allograft
9/12/07 - Large Loose body removed;Grade 4 Lesion on LFC
9/17/08-Microfracture, Lateral Release (all right knee)

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Re: My Graft Was Done Wrong Originally
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2007, 09:22:49 AM »
Thank you, sweetie. You've always been there, throughout this whole process.
Feb '03 Ladies badminton, bad fall, detached ACL
May '06 - ACL reconstruction & meniscus repair
Complications - swelling, pain, lack of flexion/extension, 50% graft failure
Jan '07 Arthoscopy, debride, removal of adhesions & 50% of graft
Attempting to rebuild muscles so can continue sport & life

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Re: My Graft Was Done Wrong Originally
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2007, 08:04:26 PM »
Hey ZG,  what a depressing story, I think the possibility of graft failure probably crosses all our minds at some point.  You have received so much good advice I cannot think of much to add - but I endorse all that was said. 

I think it is really good that we set our goals high and strive for them - this would ususally mean getting back what we had before our bodies let us down, but if we cannot get there, a change in goals that preserves the best parts of life is just fine.  For sure focus on walking well again and living without pain, but if the reality is that sports that require perfect knees are out - do not lament for too long - there are lots of other cool things out there to do, see and experience.  That offer of Nola's for one!

keep us posted on progress and keep positive!!

Mirek
injury (soccer) 8 Sept/06
arthroscopy 26 Nov/06 confirmed completely torn ACL/parrot beak tear to meniscus and other tears - meniscus tear removed and debridement of chondrial tissue
ACLR (hamstring) Feb 08/07

ALL FOR ONE - GO TORONTO FC!

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Re: My Graft Was Done Wrong Originally
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2007, 10:15:28 PM »
You are right, Mirek. I also have to learn to be less demanding of life and of myself.
Feb '03 Ladies badminton, bad fall, detached ACL
May '06 - ACL reconstruction & meniscus repair
Complications - swelling, pain, lack of flexion/extension, 50% graft failure
Jan '07 Arthoscopy, debride, removal of adhesions & 50% of graft
Attempting to rebuild muscles so can continue sport & life

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Re: My Graft Was Done Wrong Originally
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2007, 12:29:53 AM »
Gee so sorry to hear about your troubles.  You are going through what all of us on this board fear- a bad result.  But I have to say you have had a stronger outlook than I certainly would have.  You are physically and mentally tough and I'm sure you will be able to get through this ordeal as well.   Even though it's been so rough for you, you are still looking at making it better.   Hopefully your new surgeon will be able to give you some better results once  your knee settles a bit. 

In the meantime, your date with a bunch of kneegeeks sounds fun and the offer from Nola would be one I would jump at. 

You're always welcome to come to cold snowy Canada for a visit.  I have a nice room for you (not the padded kind :) , that's reserved for me)

Connie

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Re: My Graft Was Done Wrong Originally
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2007, 10:41:45 AM »
LOL - thank you very much! It's lovely to have this support from people who understand. My husband-to-be is so bored with my knee. So, so bored...!
Feb '03 Ladies badminton, bad fall, detached ACL
May '06 - ACL reconstruction & meniscus repair
Complications - swelling, pain, lack of flexion/extension, 50% graft failure
Jan '07 Arthoscopy, debride, removal of adhesions & 50% of graft
Attempting to rebuild muscles so can continue sport & life

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Re: My Graft Was Done Wrong Originally
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2007, 03:59:56 PM »
zengirl i have the same predicament.

my graft was placed once inch too anterior....omfg....how could this have happened? the doctor is from a government hospital. i have no idea how i am going to seek compensation as i am sure the govt are the biggest gangster around.

due to the malpositioned graft, i wasnt able to str8en my knee and thus developed patella baja and entrapment.

my aggresive PT sessions has caused my graft to be torn again so my knee is back to square one in addition one wrongly positioned tunnel, remnants of the torn graft and patella infera.
28/6/06 motorbike accident
31/8/06 scope to clean up the knee
16/11/06 ACLR
12/05/07 Diagnosed mild baja, ACL rupture due to malpositioned graft
1/6/07 ACLR revision

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Re: My Graft Was Done Wrong Originally
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2012, 01:59:30 PM »
I am fairly new to this website and decided to search for malpositioning.  Your post came up and I am happy to see that someone out there had a similar experience.  I too had a original ACL that was malpositioned.  My story is very long and I did decide to have a ACLR only to have it malpositioned once again!!!  This started in 2010 and I still am in alot of pain.  Most doctors will not want to deal with you as it took me some time to find out what is really wrong with me.   Every time I talk about it, I cry!!!!  I have been so depressed and mad that these doctors are still practicing.  They mad me feel like something was wrong with me and I actually tarted to believe them.  I worked so hard in PT only to find out again that my Revision surgery is malpositioned.  I wish you alll the luck!!! 

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Re: My Graft Was Done Wrong Originally
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2012, 05:23:22 PM »
I strongly advise you to start your own thread if you want to exchange ideas as this is a very old one.  ;)

There are loads of us here who have had revisions due to incorrect positioning. Do some searches on revisions and look at the reasons for the revision. I would guess more than 80% are upfront and honest where the doc says whoops (or more likely a second/third opinion). There are a few revisions done because people have bust their graft but they really are the minority.


There is also an interesting article in the Information Hub about ACL revisions written by a top surgeon from the USA. The general info in there about ACL reconstructions is also a good place to read up on the whats, whys and wherefores.

I underwent a revision due to a total cock-up by my first surgeon and the three subsequent operations by his "colleagues" to try and rectify what in the end could not be rectified. It was only when I went to an independent surgeon I was made aware of the mess the original guy had made.

Sue  ;)
1989 big trauma R. knee - sorted
1990-2004 3ACL recons and 20+ arthroscopies -RK
3/06 LK ACL torn!
4/06 ACL recon, kneecap broken
09 &10/06- 2x meniscus trims
3/07 - Notch Plastic & Lateral Release
14/8/08 complete revision ACL plus LCL/PLC recon
6/2/09 returned to skiing! Whoopee