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7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« on: December 14, 2006, 12:16:45 AM »
Hi I'm new to posting on here, but I've gotten a lot of good info so far!

Last May I had a knee injury skiing. Lots of swelling and pain, but I wasn't too upset because I knew I had all summer to rehab before ski season this year. MRI in june said this:
"There is minimal anterior substance signal present in the posterior horn of the medial meniscus extending to the meniscocapsular junction without definite linear tear noted"

OS said that if it was a tear at all, it was so minor that surgery wouldn't help and PT would solve the problem.

After 5 months of PT I was still having pain w/ stairs, full flexion and I couldn't run. I went back to OS and he gave me a cortisone shot. Nothing changed.

Now it's mid december and the beginning of real ski season, I have been skiing a little with some pain but full functioning of my knee. I went to Canada for a week of pretty intense skiing and on the second day fell and had a little hyperextension/twisting of the knee. After that it was too weak/painful to ski on.

Not much swelling, but a lot of dull throbbing pain in the area of the posterior horn, as well as sharp pains when fully flexed. Mainly it feels weak.

OS said if it didn't get "better" to schedule a scope. Well, it got way worse, so I went ahead and scheduled one for a few weeks from now.

What I really want to know is if the original minor tear could ahve really healed on its own? Could the MRI have been off? Could I have just reinjured it skiing? Is it really a mensicus tear or could it be alignment/soft tissue stuff?

My OS is skeptical that he will find anything when he looks in there, but I am out of options.

Thanks in advance for the help
Nikki

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Re: 7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2006, 02:26:57 PM »
Nikki,
I believe you are doing the right thing.  MRI's are extremely unreliable and the doctor won't really know until he goes in.  Depending on the location of the tear most don't heal on their own and the tear may have gotten worse.  Left untreated your tear will only get worse and set you up for arithritis down the road.
Let me know what the doctor finds.  I'm suprised he is so convinced he won't find anything.
christy
9/24/05 surgery ACL & Posterior horn
1/24/06 surgery, 3rd degree tear medial posterior horn meniscus
9/12/06 Meniscal transplant

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Re: 7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2006, 09:40:31 PM »
Nikki-

I agree that you are doing the right thing by having it scoped.  Like Christy said, MRI's aren't always going to show if there is a tear.  I also had a tear in my meniscus that my GP missed, I continued working out and made it worse.  Let us know how it goes and what they find.


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Re: 7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2006, 08:56:41 AM »
 If there's one thing i don't care for is when a O.S. draws a conclusion before testing. If it hurts after a good amount of time recovery then it's prob not right. just my o.p. ;)

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Re: 7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2006, 08:43:56 PM »
Nikki, all the advise given is good. The only thing that sounds bad is your OS. Sorry to say that. I suppose it's too late to get a second opinion and find a surgeon that isn't so skeptical going in.
You have to feel confident in the one doing your surgery! Have you checked into your OS's background and success rate. Any complaints against him?  It's your knee and you want it done correctly. So you are entitled to know how capable your surgeon is.

Were you seeing a PT all of the 5 months? If so,They should have seen some improvement sooner than that. And sent you back to your OS for further examinations. Running on a meniscus tear is not only painful but most likely making it worse. And twisting your knee ,,,, OUCH!
My OS said it's like a torn piece of paper. If you keep flexing and torqueing , you can keep tearing it. Hppefully you will be able to head off trouble and get it taken care of.
In the meantime, avoid deep knee bends, squatting. Please let us know how it goes. Ron

partial meniscus removal, posterior horn of medial meniscus tear,horizontal cleavage type. Dec. O4
Age 55
back to cross country skiing and biking.

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Re: 7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2006, 05:56:34 AM »
ron - unfortunately, i really trust this OS. he comes very highly recommended from many professional skiers and word class athletes...my town is full of that kind of culutre so we ahve the best OS's. maybe he just has so many other high profile patients with more serious injuries that i don't matter as much? he always seems really busy and distracted. when it comes to surgery, though, i know he is the best.

i was at PT once or twice weekly for the whole 5 months, as well as working with a personal trainer doing very lightweight non-functional weight training. i only tried to run twice (unsucessfully). now im biking a lot because its the only thing that feels good!

surgery is in a week! and i'm really nervous. i'm nervous he won't find anyhting wrong with my knee and that i'll be back to the drawing board when i am done - i really just want to ski :-\.

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Re: 7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2006, 01:32:59 AM »
Nikki, are you in the USA? If so what state are you in?  on this site there are surgeons listed according to area. Here is the link,
http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/html/names/names_menu.html

It would be interesting to see if yours is on that list. You don't have to say here but just look it up for your own curiousity.

See if they will give you a copy of your scope on DVD or at least pics afterwards. I sure hope they find what is causing your pain.  And hey, don't know if you cross country classic or skate ski at all. It won't torque your knee as much as downhill. So if you can't downhill ,look into my now favorite form of exercise.  There is always something to look forward to right? ;D

Anything bothering you before or after surgery . There are many here to help you. By the way, if you do want to personal message anyone you have to get a dozen posts before you can do do that. So you can go to a game part on this site and get that in quick .
Send some snow to MN would you!! we are on the bare minimum now in the Northeast part of the state. Ron
« Last Edit: December 27, 2006, 01:38:31 AM by Ronxski »
partial meniscus removal, posterior horn of medial meniscus tear,horizontal cleavage type. Dec. O4
Age 55
back to cross country skiing and biking.

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Re: 7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2006, 10:53:45 PM »
Nikki, did your OS or staff give you any handouts on what to expect for surgery? Or how to prepare for it once you get home?
Like having meals prepped and frozen for reheating, a few ice packs . Some in the freezer and some kept closeby you in a cooler so you don't have to get up too much.
Juices, water pain meds all closeby as well.
It's good to have your OS or staff set your crutches up for you and show you how to use them before you go in. Just so you will feel somewhat confident leaving the hospital.
these are small things but you will find them important when the time comes. Ron
partial meniscus removal, posterior horn of medial meniscus tear,horizontal cleavage type. Dec. O4
Age 55
back to cross country skiing and biking.

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Re: 7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2006, 07:28:30 AM »
thanks i really appreciate the support!

aince i scheduled my surgery from my ski trip in canada, i haven't actually spoken with my OS, just his nurse, she is sweet though. i go in the day before surgery for pre-op, which i think is with my surgeon. i haven't even spoken with him since last appointment when he said "maybe" we should scope it if the pain didn't go away "eventually".

i was told that at pre op we'll discuss crutches and recovery and stuff (i mightnot need them...)

i'm a little nervous because it is winter break and i'm still at college while everyone went home. my roommate is coming home the day after my surgery and she will take good care of me. as for the day i get home, i have a few people that i kind of know who have offered to help me out. thanks for all the advice, anything helps to ease my nerves  :)

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Re: 7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2006, 02:41:00 PM »
Nikki-

You will want to make sure there is someone there with you for the first 24 hours.  Sometimes people have reactions to pain meds or the GA and you should make sure that someone is there to help you get things and move about if you need to.  Better to be safe than sorry.

Good luck with your surgery.  I hope that they find out what's going on in there and fix it up for you.  Let us know how it goes.


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Re: 7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2006, 12:54:31 AM »
I heartily agree with Jordan!! I was going to tough it out on my own. But my Mom insisted on coming to stay for 2 days. My pain meds needed to be changed the next day. and it was good having her to make some meals and keep the ice packs coming.  ;D

If you do need crutches be careful on ice and snow. If you come from outside onto a tile or wood floor make sure the tips have the snow out them before you proceed or they will slip !
And for outside ice it would be good if you had the accessory of a fold down ice claw tip to dig in.

Make sure you have either sweats or athletic pants with zip down legs to wear for a few days too. 
Oh yeah, I was wrong about the number of posts you need to be able to send a Personal Message, it's 21 not 12.
http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/index.php?topic=103.0;topicseen
Sorry Ron
« Last Edit: December 30, 2006, 01:07:07 AM by Ronxski »
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Re: 7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2007, 01:10:46 AM »
so i just had my surgery! it went really well and i'm really happy  ;D ;D maybe it's because of the vicodin though?

so i had general anethesia, so i was reaaally confused when i woke up. my OS told me what he did. then i asked again what he did. and he told me again and i forgot again. i think he got a little fed up after the third time! my nurse also got really fed up with me asking her every 10 seconds what drugs she was giving me. also, everytime she asked me what my pain level was i said 7. no matter what, it was always 7. oops.

so i vaguely remember my doc saying no meniscus tear! yay so i still have all my meniscal cartilage. he said something about removing a synovial SOMETHING. but i don't think it was a plica. what else is synovial tissue?

he also did what's called a chondroplasty. what exactly is that and has anyone had one? sounds like just some minor shaving/smoothing of cartilage but i dont know specifics. i willl have a lot to ask at post op next week!

it hurts a lot, but the pain killers are great. i CAN weight bear, but i think i wont for at least  a day because i know the knee is sitll numb from the medicine they put in it. i rented a lot of movies and my roommate is baking for me! i hope to be back on the bike next week.

anyone got any advice? i'm ivcing and lot and keeping it above my heart

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Re: 7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2007, 04:10:20 AM »
Isn't it great to be through all the pre-surgery anxiety?  I think the anticipation of the surgery is far worse then actually dealing with recovery.  At least now that you are recovering you have something to work for and you know what you are up against.  I can't help you with what the doctor said, but let me know when you go in for your pre-op.
Take it easy, and don't push yourself.
christy
9/24/05 surgery ACL & Posterior horn
1/24/06 surgery, 3rd degree tear medial posterior horn meniscus
9/12/06 Meniscal transplant

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Re: 7 months after minor meniscal tear....time for surgery?
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2007, 05:55:25 AM »
Nikki, before you do anything , get in touch with your OS nurse to find out exactly what you should be doing now.
If you should be weight bearing right away , etc... here is the link to chondroplasty.
http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/dictionary/doku.php/c/chondroplasty

hope you recover soon, but don't push it! Ron
partial meniscus removal, posterior horn of medial meniscus tear,horizontal cleavage type. Dec. O4
Age 55
back to cross country skiing and biking.